Because, a person’s time has value, that’s why. You can’t make demands on someone’s time if they see your time as less valuable than their time. My time is not yours to demand for reading or for wasting. My time is my own and how I use it is my labor.
There are only so many hours in a day. Trying to ask someone to absorb your ideas is demanding and better mean your ideas have value too. And don’t ever think someone’s ideas can be dismissed without even a listen just because of any stereotype you’ve formed in your mind. And if you think I’m talking to you I probably am. Even the good shepherd had dinner with some rather unsavory people, didn’t he?
So, I really don’t mind a little silly bickering and nonsense around me as long as people are aware I really do pay attention to things most people don’t see. Now, I’ve had a real problem with stomach acid these past couple of years to the point of now being too thin for my wedding dress. For a robust woman of great strength and health, albeit a good 25 pounds too heavy, but in a good way, to lose what I’ve lost this past year is horrid and has worried my husband and son more than most of the illnesses which have plagued our lives. Man, you might think it would be cool to just get so sick you’d be able to get rid of that weight once and for all, but it isn’t the way I’d choose to do it, if I had a choice. It sucked. Enough said.
I also want to say here that I admire Admin aka Jim Quinn, who has reminded me over this past week, “I am a busy man and you need to post your own articles” in a grumpy sort of reply to my email asking if he couldn’t post one more because I really couldn’t move around much those first few days.
Yet he continued to put up with me, hoping that glimmer of something interesting he’d seen in me years ago was not just a dead firefly now. I thank you so much, Jim, because in spite of my getting on your last nerve and not even sending you any granola this year. Well, Stucky, Jim has posted everything I sent him except that one Ann Barnhardt article in Latin or Italian and I’m glad he looked because I hadn’t. I was just fired up over the hypocrisy.
Readers, Admin here at TBP really is committed to the idea of allowing people the chance to get their point across if they seem to have one. So, let’s see if I have one.
I think I do.
I will be providing summary in the first comment below, where you can either join the discussion as I present each segment I think worth some of your valuable time. I won’t distract you with pictures of goats which may or may not be on the menu for the biggest Mom’s ready to get up and celebrate a few things again hootenanny, now that the “underlying cause” has been identified and cut out of me. That story coming soon to a Horror Story venue.
For now, enjoy the summary and segments of the show and I’ll look forward to rebuttal by Hollywood Rob, whose little post the other day introduced me to a not seen video of Jordan in action.
So, let me get my notes and give you the summary.
Oops, I had to eat. Must get my protein and fresh eggs are the best way to get as much as you can get the way our creator intended.
But, I will give you a heads up that something really interesting starts happening around the 14 minute mark and then I note something at 18:40… so, if you want to peek ahead, that is where I’ll pick up.
So, my first comment explaining I would need a bit to get myself some brekkies upset five people who were so eager for my play by play analysis they downvoted my first comment out of spite. Nice.
I really had quite a summary of notes.
You see, when I was part of a program management team at Tinker I had to attend this meeting every Friday called Dinner Theater for a reason I know but won’t bore you with. Skip to end to avoid scenic ramble.
So, at Dinner Theater I learned to write down the conversations of everyone around the table in a kind of shorthand maggiespeak, trying figure out if I knew what platforms they were on from the that little database I babysat for that smart programmer out there in Utah. For instance, suppose so and so could not get tires for their job. So, the reason was not that the tires weren’t ready. Well, I knew that because the stupid maintenance shop wouldn’t return the pallet(s) for the tires because they needed those pallets for their own tires to go to the war zone. And they did that on purpose because no one gets scrimped and cut out of the supply loop more than the soldier on the ground, so they were always trying to get stuff some other way.
The civil servants really do not like it when the damn active duty war dude takes away their good stuff.
I summarized the first ten minutes or so of discussion of part II, trying to assess where they were at in such a very important discussion. I will grant you this, HR, it truly is an important dialogue. If you want my assessment and suggestions for good clips to look at and think about, return to this later for my summary and pointers. If not, just close the door and go to the next article here.
It really is that easy to shut me up.
The first ten minutes is a very thoughtful discussion of why the two men, Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson thought it important to meet and continue their discussion. I do not know which of them said it, but they suggested there was some “Sensemaking” that could be coming. Could Sensemaking be something on all our agendas very soon?
They each gave a steel man’s assessment of what they thought the other’s point of view might be. These are the tools the clever warrior takes to the table. He tries to look at himself through his opponent’s or challenger’s eyes to see his own flaws. He has no hubris, only humility.
4:00 minutes in.
At the 4:00 minute point (times are rough not exact, but I am within 10 seconds, I believe) Sam starts with his wish to recognize what a privilege it is to be able to address this audience. He presents himself the way he thinks Jordan views him, paying particular critique to Jordan’s discussion of archetypes and stories, especially those that are religious.
7:30 minutes in.
point begins Jordan Petersons his assessment of Harris’s view of him. Neither of them reveal anything profound about viewpoint. That comes later.
So Jordan and Sam agreed that alternative agencies are always ready to stop in and confuse and distract people from the things it is really important to know. They agreed to discuss the issues before them thoroughly with the audience (let them judge with applause) directing. It is a real interesting thing to watch at some of the points I will indicate soon. It is a very good example of what a real conversation between two strong minds can help everyone understand about real debate and discussion instead of the pathetic tragicomedy CongressCritters in the Swamp would lead us to believe is the only way it can be done. The only way.
14:00 minutes in.
Sam and Jordan agree to start with each other’s assessment of their viewpoint in each other’s mind. That was a profound step toward coming to an agreed stance to begin discussion. Almost like there’s an art or design in it.
Other times I’ve noted and what it is about, as I summarized in maggiespeak.
15:40 minutes in.
concepts which are literally false but which people continue to believe. Like religion
18:30 minutes in.
No one checks the magazine like that he claims to do at 18:33, do they? Would you gun owners just look at that maniac talking about checking his gun over and over and over again as if it could get up and go load itself. What an idiot.
Am running low on the editing hour.
19:50 Jordan tells a good story about why humans make real sacrifices. He and Same have a civil discussion about the difference in pagan sacrifice and the need to sacrifice a child for the good of the tribe (famine.)
22:30… for Stucky, a discussion of circumcision.
24 minutes through 26 minutes discussion of the sacrificial motif.
So, yes, Hollywood Rob. A fine discussion by a fine pair of minds willing to respect one another and listen to one another’s ideas.
It is amazing what we can accomplish when we get really, really, really fire-breathing mad.
These two men came to an agreement about halfway through this second discussion to mutually respect one another and they began to actually talk to one another with respect and even comradery at some points. Do you think some of you could just let me speak my piece?
The amazing thing to me? Me and T4C would have assessed one another and stopped the stupid chip-on-shoulder nonsense right away, rolled up our sleeves and started getting some real conversation underway, maybe over a cold one and a hand of rummy with a deck of cards. Women really are good at getting things done.
The right sort of women.
Hey, I said WAY up at the top to skip to the end to avoid the scenic ramble. The last line would have piqued your interest to glance up where T4C would have grabbed your eye. That would have made you think perhaps it wasn’t a complete waste of TBP ink this time.
Or not.
I. Don’t. Give. A. Fuck. More. Than. Anyone. I. Know.Right. Now.
I think several of you know exactly how I feel.
This one’s for Stucky… I don’t give a fuck more than anyone I now right now.
And you know what else, Stucky? My doctor, the great big gruff US Navy doctor, retired, is a big old teddy bear just like you. When he said “stop getting sick” to me and I proclaimed him a fucking genius? Well, you have no idea.
The wound vacuum started beeping at me not an hour ago. I told Nick the Knife he would need to call the wound nurse and discuss the possibility of her actually coming here instead of viewing my wound from afar and treating it via conference call. I’m sure she is a fine nurse. There just isn’t enough of her to go around and, apparently, viewing my wound and suggesting differnt types of bandaging over a mobile phone qualifies as supervision by a wound care nurse.
Think about that.
Well, even if you don’t know how I feel, you might ought to know I feel that way. You are entering the danger zone.
This was a very professional piece of notetaking. I got very good at it and more than once, people who attended those things would check with me afterward to see if I’d marked any action items they’d missed. An action item would be if you were explaining how you missed paint start date due to rain and the general asked you to order one of those canopy umbrella looking things to be able to cover the plane to pull it to paint shop even if there was rain. So, in a way, yes, that is an action item but no it is not going to happen. And yes, that scenario never happened. It is just a farfetched example to show what “action items” are in the bureaucratic process.
Again, I have presented my points about the discussion(s) between Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson, which Hollywood Rob pointed at for TBPers to watch along with him. Well, most people do not have the time to just watch videos like I do because I’ve been kind of sick for a while and am bored with television because even I can only watch Jed and Granny and Ellie Mae so many times a week.
I hope you will join me here and tell me why I’m all wrong.
Yes. I look forward to discussion and debate in a civilized manner critiquing my point by point discussion with counterpoint and alternate pointers to which I will watch and reply. I think, and hope, we are about to show how easy it is to meet the enemy in the chow hall in Iceland and think perhaps they are not the enemy any more.
Stucky, if Hollywood Rob is not up to debating me, will you step up to my challenge and play devil’s advocate and let’s have us a real debate on a real topic of current interest.
Use the rules of argument, please. Logical procession not irrational presumption.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/454614.A_Rulebook_for_Arguments
Some of you need to read some books. Not just Yo.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/721564.Being_Logical
Would anyone like to step up and debate the points I’ve made about this video?
Did Irevani come back as maggie?
Maggie, if you start posting links, we’re going to have to have an intervention.
WIP, I notice you never returned to our discussion of VA and military cost overruns. That opportunity is over. I am now getting my final few statements here on TBP so that some friends of mine can “mirror” them to a specific audience on a variety of social media platforms. I hope my voice makes a difference, but if not, my son(s) will indeed know I tried.
So, WIP gone long wimp.
It would have been funnier if you had said I went limp.
not what your wife said… not funny at all
10 replies and 8 are Maggies replying to herself?
It will be known as my signature stomp off exit stage left.
This post Hollywood Rob. This one. Answer it or skulk off with the rest of the scumbag cowards poor Admin has let have logins to post around here in this once proud bastion of shitflingers who could take it, dish it and stand by each other to fling another day.
RIP AWD. Long live Narnia and the brand new world.
EC. Come with that bottle of esprit de corps or don’t come at all.
Self pity is a drug.
Self delusion also calls for a drug, maybe two. After all, she has been very abusive lately. But then, maybe she is a real woman who actually lives somewhere and not a schizoid maniac hiding in a cave in montana. And maybe Mary Christine and Keiser Susie are really different people. Who knows? There is no way to tell, is there.
Rob..
Why she came after me I can’t figure.
She posted a cryptic msg on that Buchanan article and I thought there must be a deeper meaning that I was missing so I asked and she lit into me.
Called me a freedom hating idiot. I asked her how many Bronze Stars she got in Nam and she never answered but keeps demanding You answer her bullshit question.
Gee, I hope someone decides to debate my point of view about this discussion with Jordan and Sam using my time pointers to specific examples. But, I suppose it is just too complex for the monkeys who hang out around here now, Stucky.
I’ll finish my project.
Nobody owes you a debate, discussion or anything else; quit trying to bait people into engaging with you by claiming it’s “too complex”.
Did it ever occur to you that nobody is interested, or maybe don’t wish to talk to you?
I agree. I will finish my little rant and exit.
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It has been more than thirty years since I shook a president’s hand. The last one was Ronald Reagan at Tinker when he stopped on his way to California. My flight commander gave me two tickets to the private welcome at Base Operations.
I hope I get to actually meet him, but if not, other old friends should be around.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/rallies/mo-sept-2018/