I am currently stateside. It has been a few years, and I had to take care of some business. My wife and I have revisited some of our favorite spots, and caught up with some family. We have driven through some of God’s finest works. There is no more beautiful landscape anywhere on earth than the west coast, Route 66, southern Colorado, the Badlands, etc.
That said, I say this most sincerely, and with great sorrow. Those of you who can, get out now.
What I have seen leads me to depression, and there is no road back for the US, in my opinion.
The blinkered people, the tax collectors roadside (police everywhere collecting taxes), the tax collecting at every opportunity, the welfare state, the severe drop in service at restaurants, the tattoos, the green hair, the lard-asses everywhere, the severe over-population of great swathes of the country, the hideous media out only to inflame, and not to report, the aged and infirm working at whatever jobs they can find, the homeless everywhere, the beggars, the filth roadside, the severe health issues seen at every turn (people everywhere too fat to walk, carrying oxygen, diabetes inflicted, toothless), casinos one after another, hideous roads, etc. ad naseum, lead me to but one conclusion: the US is fucked. It grieves me to say it. It disgusts me to see it.
Of all of these things, the most serious is the blinkered people. They have no insight, no curiosity, no sense of understanding of the world, no vision of anything outside their tiny bubble of existence.
There are far too many people. California has 40 million, almost double that of Australia, which is more or less the size of the lower 48. I struggle to breathe around such masses.
I can feel the desperation wherever I go, but the people cannot see that they cause their own issues by living far beyond their means, with leased cars and pickups, and mortgaged to the hilt.
I spoke with many relying on pensions, who do not realize the precariousness of their positions. I ask how well funded are their plans, and they stare at me mouths agape, unable to even grasp the question.
I spoke to many business owners, who are so angry it defies belief. To a man, they are wanting to throw in the towel. Government has choked them to death, and dealing with employees is killing them day by day. One has seven lawsuits going, and has been sued 25 times. He services equipment for other companies. Whenever an idiot maims someone with the equipment he services, he gets roped into the lawsuit. The equipment never fails, but some idiot, not employed by him, runs over someone, and he gets sued, guilty by association.
The immigration policy of the US is helping destroy the country. As a reference point, Australia takes a couple hundred thousand immigrants a year, talent based. Talent based. Compare that to the US insanity.
On and on it goes.
So I say this. Get out if you can. I recommend New Zealand or Australia. Others might recommend somewhere else. These countries have issues, but they are a few decades behind those that the US has. If not that, then if possible move away from the big cities.
I am sorry it has come to this.
LLpoh – I’ve seen a lot of your posts over the years, but I’ve never seen one before so nakedly alarming.
I agree with everything but the Australia/ New Zealand part, they’re all part of the Five Eyes.
After three scouting tips out of the country, we plan to leave next spring or summer, I agree. I haven’t completely given up hope for America, it’s a country with a lot going for it, but the corruption that has overwhelmed it has become the dominant burden. I think that will not be reversed in my lifetime.
Enjoy your visit with your family while you’re here.
The ongoing housing bubble in Australia will crash and make the 2006-12 implosion in the U.S. look minor in comparison. I can’t imagine this will be positive for Australia, especially considering that Australia has financialized their economy even more than the U.S. has. There is virtually zero manufacturing there, where it once had a large electronics industry. What industries do they have other than selling iron ore to China, tourism and living off of an epic real estate bubble?
Lots of farming exports, among other things. Should think first, shoot mouth off second.
Honest question, what are the gun restrictions like in New Zealand? Thanks for the good read.
Stacking – off hand, I do not know. A quick search should reveal the laws.
In NZ, there is zero right to armed self-defense; if you shoot a criminal, a jury/judge may or may not convict you, but the police and prosecutors will most certainly put you through the ringer.
NZ is said to have the “most lax” firearms laws in the Commonwealth; a citizen may own suppressed full-auto if he can pass a background check for a firearms license, and find/afford what he wants; oddly, actually firing a weapon full-auto remains illegal! FWIW, suppressors are readily available at a modest cost.
For interest: https://www.guncity.com/firearms?facets=1~00000%7CSub%20Machine%20Gun%7CFirearms
zero guns in Ozz, they were taken away after some false flags .. Sounds like what is happening in US eh? ..
LOL
He has a point. If/when China stops printing money to build nonsense, The Aussie economy will tank. Yes, Australia exports food, among other things, but it is heavily dependent on China buying raw materials. Since China is heavily dependent on the house of cards borrow/print mantra of the world today, that makes Australia vulnerable.
Having said that, you sound pretty self sufficient down there, and I agree with everything you say about the US. Although in the long run Australia and NZ might be just as fucked as the rest of us, they are at least a couple decades behind the US when it comes to the deliberate destruction of their countries via immigration.
Australia has disarmed its citizens so I would never consider it as a destination. How about New Zealand?
Otherwise, I’ll stand my ground until I’ve expired my few hundred thousand rounds.
John, please learn something about the things you talk about because you are showing yourself to be an idiot. Oz has not disarmed its citizens.
Bullshit Lloph. Australia is one big assed libtard gun free zone. Get your own facts straight bro.
We are not disarmed. I can assure you of that. Regulated heavily, yes. Disarmed? No.
Same diff, for practical purposes, eh? Thanks to Port Arthur and Aussie cucking.
My neighbors and I own armories. What a maroon.
No open carry, no concealed carry. No shooting in self defense even at home. Handguns in some states can not be kept at home at all, you must be a member of a pistol club and leave them there. Single shot rifles, not semi auto are allowed, no pump action shotguns. More bans on more things all the time. As it is, in some states, you can only keep a rifle if you have a rural property and a pest problem of the furred or feathered type. Getting caught with any empty shell or cartridge is a 3000$ fine per empty casing. Remember that when firing out of the cab or off the bed of anyones 4×4/pickup.
I see there are a bunch of know nothings morons posting. Great.
It’s citizens were never armed like in the US. Mostly farmers and they still are!
And well armed they are.
I considered a lifelong commitment to a Kiwi about twenty years ago, even then it would have been difficult to keep firearms that had been in my family without significant red tape, especially handguns.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SzFbUBLc1UU
LLPOH, I agree with much of your assessment of US problems, and I think CW2 is now on the fast track.
HOWEVER, I am not convinced that life would be better somewhere else for any significant length of time. Australia is suffering similar globalist pressures as the USA, and it is much closer to China with little ability to defend itself if imperial-commie China decides to say “mine!” Not that I can guarantee that the US would win against China today, but I think the odds are far better.
There is a globalist sickness sweeping much of the world today. Among quasi-western countries, Hungary alone appears to be immune. Poland, Czechia, Italy, Norway and Denmark are all resisting to various but limited extents, while the rest of the “civilized, western” world is enthralled. No doubt the US is sick and conflict is here and likely deepening, but short of moving to Hungary I’m unconvinced that anywhere else is safe while having any value set I’m at all interested in.
YMMV. Good luck.
It’s not quite so bad if you get out of the states with legal weed
I see you have a lot of followers. Get a brain.
I think his point isnt that marijuana is inherently bad, just that the states that hove done so tend to be liberal basket cases. But I could be wrong…
Great and true read. Two words can sum the whole article “US Insanity”
Just don’t come near flyover country. We don’t want the blinkered people and we don’t want immigrants who think what we have worked for is theirs.
The country is dividing into regions. And some of us are getting ready.
Where is the white, straight and Christian region?
Unfortunately the hipsters and trendies are even moving into those regions to ruin them.
Could be, but it’s not too late to take back Cleveland. Let’ begin with Mayfield Heights! ?
“Where is the white, straight and Christian region?”
Wherever it is that you decide to plant your feet and make your stand brother.
There is truth there. Although, we sometimes misjudge the place to plant our feet, don’t we?
Yes ma-am, but we are where we will be wherever we are when shit hits the fan. I don’t know when that will be. I plan as best as I am able; better than others, not as good as some. Point is, we can all choose to stand right where we are wherever we are. Right (expletive-ing) now.
Why do we allow “them” to push us anywhere? Why have we allowed “them” to push us this far already?
Who is the third who walks always beside you?
When I count, there are only you and I together
But when I look ahead up the white road
There is always another one walking beside you
Gliding wrapt in a brown mantle, hooded
I do not know whether a man or a woman
—But who is that on the other side of you?
Amen, brother. I think we are getting closer and closer to the match being struck. However, to God a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. Point is, the decline could go on incrementally for a long long time. I starting to wonder if they even have to bother collapsing the economy to get what they want. We are a nation of anesthetized sheeple. I could go on but, I don’t have the energy.
The control is not as tight as the globalists would like. “Globalists”, of course, is an acceptable-in-polite-company way of saying “jews”. For example, I think they lost control of the process with the Internet. Seems to me the number of woken sheeple is growing fast. Too fast for their comfort. Point being, whether full-fledged collapse happens or not is out of their control. Incremental decline is easier for them to manage, but any one of a multitude of possible black swans (most entirely predictable) could bring the edifice crashing down almost overnight. The wise man would assume its going to happen and prepare accordingly, because that’s the most difficult to prepare for.
“Make your stand right where you are, there’s no where else to go.” Victor Carson
But when does this stand take place? Don’t get me wrong, I agree withe the sentiment, but whats the line? Thats the big question. ‘They’ may not ever have to come arrest you for being a straight white guy. There may well not be that moment, and we just die a slow death of a thousand cuts.
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2018/09/29/comment-on-denninger/
Read this, then rethink your response, please.
America will survive the United States.
You may want to move to old douchebag county.
Custer City, Oklahoma
Wip, they live in the middle of Missouri between Maggie and me.
The Missouri bushwhackers bravely resisted the murderous raids of the Kansas redlegs and today, we still have an undeclared border war with Kansas. Never trust a damn yankee. Still smell the powder burning and reckon we always will. Bloody Bill burned down Lawrence, Kansas because they had it coming. ‘Nuff said.
Interesting.
A lot of my time has been in flyover country. It is better there for sure, but the people are entirely blinkered. They cannot see past their own noses.
The ones out here deep country can see quite well at night, in the woods, with long guns.
Maybe so. But the ones I am seeing are too stupid generally to know the difference berween friend or foe. They also are clueless to their actions, and take no responsibility for themselves. Dirt poor driving new F150s, smoking like chimneys, weighing 500 pounds, tattooed and pierced and carying oxygen tanks, and generally with a glazed look akin to having been hit in the head with a large rock. Flyover country folk are better than those in Seattle, for instance, but not by much. And they look far unhealthier in general to me. Seattle folk walk. Nebraskans waddle. They are more polite, tho. There is that.
Sounds to me like you were trapped in Walmart.
In a Democrat enclave no less.
You are in a different region then. We have to drive almost 50 miles to get to a “real” Walmart or a Lowe’s. We happened to hit a small pocket of people we appear to belong in. And, the seem to appreciate all the hard work we’ve done here.
We are in RODEO country. Bucking broncos and ride ’em cowboy! Not a lot of fatties around here. I was the last holdout.
The people in my part of flyover don’t look or act like that.The ones who are still believing that we live in a country that is governed by rule of law I believe will adjust real quick because they are starting to become…well redpilled. It will be ugly for sure.
Sounds like your retard Democrat friends need to shape up. Nobody looks like that in my little bitty town, but then again we’re all Republicans.
Having already lived in Australia (left in 2006), I can’t say it is any better there. Different problems, but problems just as severe.
After the torchlight red on sweaty faces
After the frosty silence in the gardens
After the agony in stony places
The shouting and the crying
Prison and palace and reverberation
Of thunder of spring over distant mountains
He who was living is now dead
We who were living are now dying
With a little patience
Robert Frost worthy, grog. I raise a cup to you.
Think about it. When was the last time you heard people talking in terms of their regional community. When the shit hits, all politics is LOCAL.
Everyone else gets shot.
There seems to be a lot riding on today, whether the dems will have a melt down hissy fit, or the repubicans can hold the line and do something right for a change. We are close to dusk and the fireworks display, but I do not think it will be part of a planned event, like the confirmation hearings. I believe it will come out of the blue; although the power the dems have over anything will cease to exist the day after the hearings, if they are humiliated with a resounding defeat today.
Anyway, leaving the country will become a lot more clear after all the dust settles. Me? I’m stuck here and will try to make the best of it. To those who are stuck with me, there are adventurous times ahead, with all the insanity that is about ready to crest. May God have mercy on all who will flee and on those who remain.
May God have mercy is the key, cognitive dissonance is making its’ presence known. So many are clueless, so many are unprepared, so many embrace socialism, it looks dire. I know one thing for certain, I will die a free man!!
I’d rather stay in the land I know than venture out into the unknown.
And this is all over abortion, IMO. This guy is no doubt a dyed in the wool statist like the rest of them, but may favor some slight easing of the federal government’s role in abortion legislation. Thats all this is about. The rest is just theater. The proper, constitutional answer to the abortion question is pretty clear: since the constitution doesn’t mention anything about it, its to be left up to states to decide. Thats what scares the left so much. But unless abortion is your number one issue, there’s no reason to get a hard on about this guy. Kaboki theater.
How can at best a 50/50 with Pense casting the tie breaker be considered a resounding victory or an abysmal defeat?
The key to survival in the present-day United States is to “fly below the radar” and don’t bring attention to yourself. Live your life the way you want to. There are many ways to “opt-out” of many societal aberrations. Get rid of cable TV (Talmudvision), associate with trusted friends (who are not involved with law enforcement or other statist enterprises). Grow your own food, make your own weapons, move out of the major metropolitan areas (if you can), establish yourself in a rural area. You will find that rural types are generally good people, are easier to deal with, are more aware of what is going on, and can be a part of an informal network, essential if and when the SHTF.
Remember, the freedom you have is the freedom you TAKE. Opt-out as much as you can. It can be done…
Good advice, anarchyst.
I would love to leave, but I could never leave my kids and grandkids here. Luckily we all live hours from any big shitty which would be Flint, Detroit.
My daughter and son in law live on a farm with chickens, pigs, a nice garden and room for more, so when the shits meets the fan the plan is to head there.
Lot’s of like minded farm folk less than an hour away.
All that being said, there is no saving America, this country has been swirling the toilet bowl for years but since 2008 we are spinning faster. Liberals, progressives and those in charge will not be satisfied until we are all wallowing in the same shit.
I’ve been trying to figure out why I’m so goddam apprehensive lately, maybe the hearings today will go in favor of the left, the midterms will be a rout for dems, Trump will be impeached, the SC will be stacked with socialist judges, troops will stop you at random, break down doors, nineteen fucking eighty four………………hello boot stomping on my face.
4th Turnings…..
Peace to you Llpoh!
Thanks Card. I spent the day in the Badlands. What a glorious thing. Avoided people for the most part. I hate being around folks these days. I am old and grumpy.
The Badlands are beautiful, are they not? I love them. I’m not going anywhere. I’m just going to ride it out and see what happens. I might not even live to see the worst of it. Cancer and all.
I will think positive thoughts, Mary, just for you.
You know, Llpoh, I don’t think I have cancer right now but I have this stupid twinge in my side that has been bugging me all day and I keep thinking, ” it’s back”. It’s a cancer survivor thing. It can come back at any time, anywhere. Positive is good.
Mary Christine, have you tried the Budwig diet? I suggest you look it up. Dr. Budwig healed people with cancer with her diet plan, even those considered given up on by their physicians.
One thing to note, diehard Budwig-diet supporters say you can’t eat butter, other dairy products and meat. Dr. Budwig suggested that because of the way animals were being raised in CAFOS, which are unhealthy and require the animals to have antibiotics to keep them from getting sick. If you use butter, dairy and meat from organic, grass-fed animals, you can use those animal products.
Look it up online. There’s plenty of info available. You can also buy Dr. Budwig’s books online now, translated from the German.
Thanks, VV but you can be assured I have done research and more research. I think you could say that I researched so much that I became frustrated. Different things work for different people.
It’s all food/diet/water and staying off any “pharmacueticles”
Best wishes
See also the book “World Without Cancer: the story of vitamin B17” by G. Edward Griffin… simply amazing!
My 13 year old yellow lab (at 11) had multiple mast cell tumors and a huge nerve sheath tumor on her back leg which several veterinarians wanted to amputate completely. Long story short, I had the tumors removed as best they could and 2 years later still cancer free and loves to jump into the pool whenever she can! No radiation, no chemo… was told both would be necessary (couldn’t have done that to her anyway). I crush up a few apricot pits and add to her food daily as with my Dane and Beagle.
Could it be that simple?
Pastor, I’ve seen the videos about B17. I’ve ordered some directly from Griffin’s website. They have B17 and other things. There’s also a book called “The Little Cyanide Book” and “The Little Cyanide Cookbook” that uses B17 as well.
I am getting ready to distill some oils. I use very dark green kale and a lot of root herbs for a tincture that is supposed to cure anything. When I get a good batch, I’ll mail you some.
Cancer is anaerobic.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anaerobic
Think about it.
The Budwig diet causes an oxygen-rich body, which is a killer for cancer cells.
Well, when the world wide charade known as fractional reserve currency fails, life in every place will have these characteristics- Short, Nasty, and Brutish. I would not want to be an American living in Australia or New Zealand. The Kiwis are already tired of and very angry at the presence of wealthy American expatriates in their country. When their economy dies, how long will it be before they run the Yanks out of their country?
When this fantasy of debt-based paper money comes to an ignoble end, there is one thing for sure- millions will die in every country on every continent on this planet. The highest number of deaths will occur in the places most affected by disruptions in the supply chain.
In other words, there will be a tsunami of prog shitheads who will demand to be given a claim to your shit. They will be followed by the massive wave of Dindus who will dispense with formality and just try to take your shit. That is why we say “If you can see your basement floor……..
Oh, the chaos you refer to pretty much describes what life will be like in the metropolitan areas. However, when they try to drag Flyover Country into their realm of influence, that is when we find out how many firearms are in circulation out there in Flyover Land. Is it 300,000,000 firearms? Is it 600,000,000 guns? I don’t know but there lots of urban Marxists out there who earnestly believe the day is coming when they can do with us as they please. It’s going to be interesting.
If you live within 100 miles of an urban blisshole they will come pouring down the four lane toward you in a big hurry. Like the fresh zombies that still have strength they will attack and pillage. Folks should figure in advance how to bottleneck the highways and control movement toward their communities.
Do not forget that some will get their hands on National Guard or Reserve vehicles mounting heavy weapons.
Where I live can be described as an opiate rust belt town. People here have been real poor for the last 20 years and our version of the die-off has been going on that long. The drugged out people are dying in piles one shot at a time and the sick and infirm will go once government paid insurance goes belly up, and there are lots of them. The folks of sound mind who know at least one trade by hand have gotten used to living poor and have toughened. They will eventually experience the end of the big box supply chain but can learn to make do or make it themselves. There will be no tolerance here of exurban people who want to take from others by violence.
People from Chicago and Milwaukee will be going south. They won’t be going north to rural areas and small towns.
one hopes
Or the top of ya’s closet/the bumper on truck not dragging/plane has tough time taking off,if any of these conditions exist…..
There’s a sensible case to be made and the author makes it. But I ain’t going no where. I assessed the areas in the U. S. and determined that the deep south, Georgia in my case, is the best place to ride out the storm. I raise much of my own food, have a house in a stable neighborhood and lots and lots and lots of weapons and ammo.
The human march to individual sovereignty was never easy, but it was in America where it took root even if for a short time. It will return and it will return here and I aim to be a participant.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Let’s finish this out correctly — “both foreign and DOMESTIC”.
I just hope I live long enough to use up some of the bullets I’ve collected!
There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root
Henry David Thoreau
The evil ones who gave up their souls to demons of fake lives, needs and wants for they have all accepted that love, faith and family is but a disease of the heart.
For what kind of God would allow all this corrupt to rule over his created except for a concept that just escapes them that much, of a justice loving God who created so much, only something his loving listening could touch and yes mankind it is your rights that are just and blessed by God himself, to lighten you up until death opens you up to God’s loving heaven located way way up.
AAP –
AAP just written, an original work of faith, family and love given freely by my Lord thy God.
East or west of VSC?
to many niggers.
The older blacks, who experienced things before the Civil Rights Act and welfare, aren’t too bad. It’s the newer generations who have lived off Uncle Sam their whole lives that are the main problem. But the majority have such low I.Q.s they can’t think straight.
You are so very right about the Civil Rights Act drawing the line. I am currently reading some discussion on the (shhhhhh) Jewish Question and have come across the very real plan to destroy the family in order to create a world where the “community” becomes communism when it eliminates all vestiges of religion and family.
You’re close to me, CC. I’m in South Carolina but near Augusta.
I was born here and I’ll die here. I love this country, always have and always will, despite it’s many shortcomings. It’s too bad so many citizens are choosing to see all the negative things (and admittedly there are many) and use their resources to expatriate instead of staying here and doing what they can to help turn things around…..especially since it was this country that gave them the opportunity to amass enough wealth and knowledge to expatriate in the first place.
Not knowing your situation Llpoh, I won’t put you in that category but to most other expats I say don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Ten Year, if you are of European descent, your ancestors migrated here from some other place on the planet, probably to escape some other economic/social/cultural/political situation. So you are where you are today because one of your ancestors could see something you cannot see now.
There should be no stigma associated with a desire to move to a better spot on the planet.
The planet wasn’t full at that time …
the planet ain’t close to full now.
By the time it all looks like this, it’s too late.
Hell, it’s too late already.
Though many in New England were escaping to religious freedom and there were those transported rather than jailed, many where taking advantage of the “new land” to make money, or to make even more money. It there were a place like that today, it would be worth the move. But there is nowhere left. America is the last.
Well, there’s places like Siberia.. Kazakhstan, etc. Money is being made in Mongolia. The new Silk Belt and Road, or whatever.. but I wouldn’t want to live there. Some young dudes might still find a short-lived fortune.
that’s as may be, but don’t begrudge those with the means/ability to leave, especially with children. the basic point of existence is survival.
the truth of the situation is there is a tsunami approaching. thinking you can out-swim it just because your house is here is questionable. you have loyalty to a country which doesn’t give a shit about you.
my thing is there is no where else to go. there are no white countries left which don’t have these problems anymore. and non-whites are suicide.
Russia … Iceland
It’s extremely hard to become a Russian citizen. You may visit but you can’t stay.
Latinos are technically white, just interbred with extremely stupid Central and South American indigenous stock. They are Christian and the ones that remain in their own countries are often hard working and honest, just kinda dumb. The upper class are quite normal.
Chile, Uruguay, Ecuador, Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua.
Lots of places to go, problem is most Americans are too lazy to learn to live in a different language
I’m waiting til they all learn to talk American.
Jimmy T, one of these days, I’d like to catch up with you. y Yo hablo Espanol. Un poco.
Cervesas. On me. Would the welcome mat be out, for a visit? Intrigued by where you call home. I’d come in peace; not as a sponge, with a decent skill set, and if I can keep or maintain access to what I’ve squirreled away, I’d be self sufficient.
Lots of room in the northern highlands of Nicaragua. Every neighbour has offered to sell me their property as well. My downhill neighbour east of me has 45 acres, good springs, a small river and no access apart from through my farm. Firearms are allowed but expensive. We grow tons of food,have pigs, cattle, horses, chickens. Daily temperature around 75 degrees. Working on building a hydro electric generator to get fully off the grid. My two farm hands work for $5 a day and are very loyal and grateful.
Visits can be arranged. To qualify for residency you need to show an income from outside of the country of $600/month.
How much would the 45 acres cost? What cash crop could be grown there?
Considering access has to be granted by ME, unless you want to pay guys to hump beans across a series of waterfalls…I could probably pick it up for 50k. It is better for cattle currently with good grass. You could burn it all and plant beans or carrots, potatoes, tomatoes, considering the river for irrigation you could get 4 good crops a year.
Personally I prefer cattle. I like $20/day per cow over waiting for carrots to grow and watching the fracking conejos eating all your money. Downside is you have pay somebody $5/day to milk them.
I am thinking about buying it and subdividing for TBP expats. Little house, good water, fresh food- cheaper than a silo bunker!
Did someone talk up Colombia here? I know some upper-middle-class Italian/Colombian business owners. They left for the U.S. because of all the crime and kidnappings down there. Very scary shit.
Unfortunately, it won’t just hit just the U.S. if it’s economic. The whole world will suffer.
True, VV, but…it depends on how bad social interaction degrades elsewhere.
In the US, I bet there will be bloodshed. Even, no, especially in winter. Cold and hungry make misery & desperation.
But someplace closer to the equator, in a country where the gov and healthcare industry don’t rape you of your $$….
Plus mild or warm temps year round….yeah, I could settle into retirement with friendlier people in a Latino culture, who know how to live within their means, and not whine or demand welfare.
They probably have different risks, but not as bad as the mayhem we’ll see close to where I currently reside when TSHTF.
Yes, all the lines of supply and communication may seize, making life as an ex-pat, especially someone doing any kind of remote work (as is often done), considerably more complicated.
Amen. I have ancestors who have been here since before the Revolution. I have relatives who fought in the Revolution, on both Union and Confederate sides in the War Between the States, and a grandfather who was nearly killed in WWII. I am not abandoning my heritage. Anyone who wants to leave should leave; we don’t want you here anyway. Goodbye!
Good luck Llpoh we have had our differences regarding causes and effects regarding My Country . You have chosen to escape and I cannot blame you for your decision . I and some compatriots hold some high ground and have been preparing for some time now for that coming series of events . Like being taxed out of our homes or attacked by angry mobs of paracitic individuals who’s government life line has ceased .
We are in agreement things will be very ugly !
FORGET ME NOT
Sad but oh so true. This must be like it felt in the last days of Rome before the fall. The fourth paragraph could have been written about Canada and Canadians – debt, drugs, degeneracy, family breakdown, immorality…a sick, sick society led by the worst among us.
The barbarian invasions and constant warring in Italy sent people packing. It’s hard to make a living in the middle of a war, unless you’re a soldier. But Italy is small and escape to the North was much easier than going across an ocean on the east, south or west, except where we’re connected to Mexico or Canada, which is nowhere near me.
Chicken Little (Llipoh)
Certainly, the sky looks like it is falling. And one can say it is the End-Times. Its true, we are to go through one of the greatest collapses of all times. But its far from being completely over with. For its also the beginning of what is about to be birthed. A new dawn is about to break over the horizon.
If this is what you truly feel. Then its best that you leave. One needs to have a wider view of what is going on. And perhaps, that is what is needed for you to do…. To watch the scene – what is about to transpire here – from a great distance away. But remember the old adage… ‘You don’t know how precious something is until you’ve lost it.’
And, you will not be able to say to your children, (of which you have no mention of) that you actually went through, and participated in, this amazing transformational change that is about to take place. It only begins in this country. It will move, first, across this country, then across the rest of the planet. It appears to me that you have lost touch with the Creationery Force that is piloting this ship.
Try telling what your plans are to the Almighty Creator, and then watch & see how that will turn out for you. You think that your life is in your hands? God has other plans for you. You just have to pay attention to what that Voice is saying to you. Yeah, perhaps, he’s telling you to leave. Then, just simply ignore what I am saying.
My sense is to not leave this ship. I am here as a witness. I have a front row seat in this theater. And a bucket of popcorn in hand. I’ll watch this show through to its endpoint – to my endpoint.
Its the greatest Military Intelligence Operation of Our Time!
turiya, you will be transformed alright — into compost. And that’s okay; we really don’t want traffic jams on the escape routes.
The only way out of our idiocracy is to ensure our children are able to think for themselves.
There is no new dawn for this country because its educational system ensures that not only can our children not think for themselves, they cannot apply logic to any question without reverting to and relying on the propaganda that insinuates itself into every media platform.
How many US college graduates can pass an 1895 8th grade general knowledge exam?
http://grandfather-economic-report.com/1895-test.htm
I’m a Professional Civil Engineer with a PhD in History. I’d flunk.
If you want a better life, and intend to leave our “Romper Room” for a country that values Socratic dialogue, can I have a seat on your space ship?
Diogenes..
There is no reasoning with that idiocy.
If there was a plan to decimate this country by federal oversight, then the education reforms certainly played a major role. Our kids are ignorant.
You call Llpoh a “chicken little”, even though you know absolutely nothing about the man, …. and then you regale us with some psychobabble crapola about talking to Al Mighty and even greater delusional crapola about some mystical transformation of the planet. Are you Obama?
He may be Chicken Little …… but, that’s better than what you are, Chicken Shit.
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“Its the greatest Military Intelligence Operation of Our Time!”
What is? Sticking a grenade up your ass?
Stucky, as eloquent as ever.
Thanks Stuck. I apologize for saying you have a teeny weeny on the cholesterol thread. You are obviously hung like a Choctaw.
I am beginning to think there is something seriously wrong with me that I hang out where you talk about dick size.
Boys will be boys. Would you really have it any other way?
No, not at all. I am questioning my sanity, that’s all. I told my husband this evening that I am lonely because there are no women who think like I do around here, that I know of. Maggie but she is 5 hours away from me.
Seems to me you are just fine.
Come on down!
Wrong! If you are in Kansas City then I am practically in your back yard.
Would be happy to speak or meet you if you are comfortable with that. Been lurking mostly.
Well if you are a TBP lady, then that would be awesome, Culpeper!
So, if you and Culpepper meet and she isn’t a homicidal maniac, I’ll come to KC to visit! LOL
Mary,
Maybe Llpoh, as a boy being a boy, was referring to Oklahoma/Mississippi boys, who could only tie square knots, which was sufficient to hang Choctaws because they were flatheads.
I could be wrong. Choctaws might have been hung by their dicks.
Qyou got to go thru hell to get to heaven…
14 upvotes, 14 downvotes. We have been successfully divided. Congratulations to this Q thing.
Llpoh fails to accept that Australia is being colonized by the Chinese. I’m not leaving, life is good here in the great commonwealth and you can hardly use the froot loops in Cali as a example of the whole of America. Loopey needs to get into the city more often to see the colored hair, tattoo freak show in Oz.
You’re in Virginia?
BL – plenty of freaks in Oz. But the US has them beat hands down. In flyover country yesterday saw a lardass couple covered in tats with matching horseshoe noserings about the size Clydesdales would wear.
You are mistaken re China and Oz. How are the Mexicans going for you in the US. I think I prefer smart, well educated Asians.
Ummm No, I’m sure that China is sending in population and buying off your politicians, you just don’t want to see it. I rarely see Mexicans here, mostly if a neighbor gets a new roof put on their house or lawn crew from pro landscapers. Just out in public around town, rarely see Mexicans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZixtLvabC8c
I live in the middle of nowhere Ozarks. There are more Asians here than any other ethnic minority. It’s not uncommon to hear two Filipino women speaking Tagalog to each other at the store.
I’m in Podunk, Ozarks but I haven’t noticed a lot of Asians around our part of the hills. We do have a lot of Polish, German and Dutch surnames in the graveyards here.
I spent the majority of my adult life on or near an Air Force Base with a Big BX. I have heard my fair share of Tagalog.
Thou Shall Not Judge
You have no idea about the character of those you are judging but your sinning judgements reveal alot about you!
Deeds Not Words or Looks
Fuck that noise!
I work overseas so I can see very clearly what is happening to the country. LLPOH is right on all counts. I live in one of the wealthiest counties in the U.S. but if I drive a mile outside my enclave and a few others I am surrounded by poverty, desperation and ugliness. Some rural parts of my state are still as I remember them from 35 years ago but the people! Jesus Christ, the people! Unfortunately, LLPOH is wrong. You can’t run away. This is it. New Zealand and Australia do not want 150,000,000 Americans who managed to shit in their own beds. Trump is a tough man but he is operating on instinct and intelligence alone to try to turn the tide. It will take utter ruthlessness and, if it can be done at all, violence on a scale we can’t imagine. There is no easy road ahead and no road back. I do not know what our future will look like but it is clear that some terrible catastrophe awaits us. One thing I know. When the smoke clears we will no longer have an overpopulation problem. If our side wins the leftists and the uninvited foreigners will no longer be here. The best we can hope for – for them – is an orderly departure from our country. Rebuilding will take harsh measures and zero tolerance for the weak, stupid and vicious. I believe it is obvious to most of our readers that some form of civil war is now inevitable. The Democrat behavior on Kavanaugh may be remembered as one of the straws that destroyed constitutional order in our country and weakened our institutions so badly that the dam will finally break.
From time to time I read letters from readers on this site and others that scoff at the idea of a civil war or widespread violence in the U.S. I just shake my head and sigh. I have spent much of my life in countries where this is virtually the norm. The notion that we are immune is absurd.
As Admin and others have repeatedly warned, our financial condition is desperate. It is not wise to make predictions but I will guess that the final plunge will be provoked by a combination of financial collapse and a major foreign pollicy or military disaster, probably in the Middle East or with China. Our reckless actions in Syria could easily explode in our faces and it could happen any day.
What to do? I don’t know, other than take some obvious precautions (arm yourself to protect your family from immediate threats, have an emergency reserve in gold or some stable foreign currency, get out of major urban areas).
Good luck.
Thanks SS. No, not everyone can skiddadle. But some can. It sure is shocking out there. What the hell happened?
Liberal Lunatics happened.
Who can skedaddle? Out of the frying pan, into the fire, is what I see. Aus. is not granting the kind of visas one could get 10 years ago. Climate change is real, and drought issues plus the pressure of mining / Chinese/resource extraction are going to make quick work of an ecosystem which, as far as I understand it, is more fragile than that of the Americas or Asia.
You can’t eat gold, coal, or “money.”
BULLSHIT on the Euro purity SS, that place has been a freak show for decades so don’t even do us. It has been at least 30 years since Vvvyan was a role model for the younger crowd and it is even stranger now, you do remember” The Young Ones”?
Never saw that show before. Thank goodness.
The mind controls are working it’s the end it’s the end kill kill kill
Suckers
Have you all lost your faith when some here reveal hope in each other but not to the lost masses.
The Nazi World Order is precisely on time.
Fuck the corrupt and the end of this life I shall fight them here in life and after death forever and ever Amen.
The 4th Turning welcomes all y’all.
Spot on SS… Chip
Unfortunately, leaving the country is not in the cards for me. My wife would not go for that scenario. So, I must find a red state that would stay red if/when the shit hits the fan. We’re in Illinois now and I know we have to leave soon, before they institute some sort of exit tax or capital control on people fleeing the “Land of Lincoln”. I’m assuming just about anything South would be preferable to most Northern states. I figure we may have a couple more years to sort it all out before we make to move. Time will tell…
The Mrs. and I are in the same boat looking at Iowa or any of the surrounding states. That said, as you surely know, if you aren’t in Cook County or RINOland DuPage county, Illinois is a red, red state. If we could let those assholes have the NE corner we would have a damn good place. We could call their new state Corruptopia. Frank Gallagher (Shameless) could be the state bird.
Iowans love Mestizos. Even when they murder their daughters.
Illinois is the land of criminals. I live there, too.
Settle in the middle of Missouri and you will be stuck between Maggie and me. It could be worse, seriously.
Hey, if Culpepper is fun and not a maniac then I would be game for a trip to KC to visit a few old sites from long ago.
We could have a blast! Of course I am fun. What the hell is wrong with being a maniac??
Might have to be a tad cautious in where those old sites are from long ago. Nothing wrong with an adventure though, and memories to last a lifetime….or what’s left. LOL Agnes, I am sure the KC visit would be tame compared to the experiences you have shared here?
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Llpoh may have inadvertently facilitated a new personal friendship. Wouldn’t that be awesome!
I am sure he’s delighted. I did like going to all the places in KC when I was visiting the POW reunions with my father there. They had a big gathering every year at one of the big hotels… perhaps a Ramada? It has been 15 to 20 years, so yeah… I imagine some of the areas we visited have changed.
Woo hoo! I get my wound resutured in a couple weeks and after that! I’ll be game for a road trip.
oops…
Hopefully we have time before things get really dicey and/or the weather deteriorates.
last word. for now
Try rural Nebraska. Houses are dirt cheap. Sell your house in ShitCongo now: the housing market is still hot, but will drop like a rock soon; the advance indicators are flashing red. Rent in a safe neighborhood if you must stay put for a short while. With the equity you get out of your house, you can buy an older house here, renovate it to like new condition, and still have a bundle to fill your wallet or use to buy silver for the long haul.
Taxes are low and the inhabitants are almost all German Lutherans. They are really clueless about the world in general, but are honest and hard working. After a few of them are killed by gangs from the cities, they will wise-up and kill any additional 2-legged predators that show up.
There are two houses within a block of me that can be bought for less than $15K each. Each needs some renovation, due to age and neglect. Others not needing renovation can be had for about $40K. Empty lots can be bought cheap for big gardens, and deer are really thick down along the river.
We are in the middle of nowhere, but Lincoln, a relatively big city, is less than 2 hours away. I can make a run once a month to get anything and everything I need. I do marvel at the freaks I see in the city.
Jobs are available in most of the small towns, but I am starting a small business in my basement so I can work at my own pace. Most towns need skilled craftsmen, like plumbers, electricians, etc.
Sounds very similar to the region where we reside. I think there are many pockets of “us” out here. In fact, I KNOW there are many of us.
Hans, South Carolina is definitely a true red state. Welcome if you come here.
May the Aeon Sophia tear New Zealand apart with earthquakes. No sanctuary for new world order “elites”.
What’s worse, greed or envy and which one is most responsible for the US becoming what it has become?
I think they tend to be partners working together.
That’s been my contention for a long time now.
Greed and envy are closely related. The other element is fear. As in; if you are doing anything because of fear or greed it’s probably the wrong reason.
There is no place to run, even if you are wealthy. Such “safe harbors” are only so under the umbrella of an enforced global peace. If the US actually does fall, so will western civilization.
Within the US a family can find a semblance of stability and community outside urban areas. GO THERE if you are uncertain!
We moved out of an urban county to the most conservative county in our state, near our kids & grandkids.
If a 4th Turning war does break out, the urban areas will be cordoned off, food, water, & sanitation will cease, and survival of the fittest will consume most of the population. Don’t get caught in them!!!
I trust the Republic will survive, but there are big changes coming, either with or without the aforementioned war. That war is happening now, it is just underground. We want to keep it that way, but the radical Left may insist on massacre. If so, let it be among themselves!
I think you might be right. If the Empire can somehow be killed off we might have a chance to restore the Republic.
Yes it is sad and frightening at the same time. Llpoh, you knew we were toast when you moved down under. It’s been coming for a long time. You don’t comment as much as in the past. I think you are waiting for the last shoe to drop. This 4th Turning is gonna be a bad one.
Over – like others, my contributions ebb and flow. Glad to see you.
I enjoy your input tremendously. Your point of view as you visit here and return down under is invaluable. It offers some of us the opportunity to look at things a different way.
Llpoh is a Big Dog. When he barks, most of the time we would be smart to listen.
Well put, Aggie.
Cheers, to you, Nick, & all the critters. The get well cards must’ve worked.
Am getting weller. I’ve discovered the price one pays to remove a wound vacuum from its annoying existence on one’s shoulder is to have to pack and repack the wound to keep it clean and draining.
I’m six weeks in and have at least two more until sutures.
Thanks, L. Am drinking a beer after sutures. or four.
Freedom is never ever won by those that run.
Live to fight another day. The blimps and tattooed zombies are too numerous. Who wants to be around that shit?
No one wants to be ‘around that shit’ You either are that shit, or want to avoid that shit. The problem is the shit wants to, if not be around, at least feed off of you. The parasites follow the host.
The host will either fight the parasites off, or succumb to it. Running doesn’t save you from the shit, but you do have to pick the place to fight to minimize the chances of the ‘the shit’ beating the ‘not shit’
The shit will not simply ‘leave you alone’ because it means their suffering and death. And they will gladly supply your suffering and death to avoid their suffering and death.
I like Aussies and Kiwis, and they certainly have less obesity and tats, they are quite a bit more economically socialist/leftist than Amis. Their political ‘center’ is closer to the left side of democrats. How both they and we evolve in this fourth turning is to be determined, but as a general matter, people are better off ‘among their own’ if you flee to what you think is better ground, you have to make up some ground with the locals to become one of their own.
It is a tough call, but make no mistake, there is no place to move to avoid it, just better and worse places to get through it. Man is a fallen creature.
But you forget, blimps and zombies are easier to shoot.
This is really crude, but…
What came to mind when I read your comment was this: Because the blimps and zombies move really slowly so they are easy to target. Besides, the blimps make funny popping noises when the bullets penetrate the blubber.
I apologize for that there.
Oh, I apologize for finding that funny.
You should
I’ve been living in Colombia for nearly a year now and can say with certainty that I have definitely made the right decision by emigrating. Every time I have to go back to zombieland which thankfully is not that often I cringe in much the same way over the same exact things. Thankfully, my father will be leaving for Spain for his retirement shortly with my mother not far behind with her husband. As soon as they are far from that mess I will be watching things unfold with popcorn in hand.
Spain ain’t a great place to be.. It has become the pivot for the musloid invasion…
Canary Islands, part of Spain yet far from everything
No place will be safe…
Our souls and ever after are on the line here.
Do you follow the God of love or the Demon of hate.
I will root out the evil based on their evil deeds done and nothing more.
Your father is heading to Spain. Your mother will follow not far behind with her husband.
I assume your father IS her husband or do you have an alternative family?
Good observations on state of things. It is true that things are coming apart at the seams. There has been a long march of regression in health of economy, people and finances. Looking around I too see many of the same things. Still moving to Oz or New Zealand is outta reach for most here. Even if I could move there would I not have to move far away from the cities. Don’t they have same problems that we have here in North America.
So why move..
It is what it is! The corruption, the education, and the cognitive dissonance seems to be reigning everywhere. The money is winning everywhere. Morality and common sense is voted against at every turn. if a country looks like an exception, it is being undermined as we speak. I read OZ got 30,000 Indonesian troops some time back, if true, WHY!? This storm is planned for all of us. When we have a war on white people, toxic males, conservative values, morality, and just plain common sense, we older farts say let’s just get this party started before we get too old to teach, or see through the sights.
Several years ago “The Onion” offered a tee-shirt that read “Let the Fucking Begin”.
That’s about how i see it now.
mangledman
Yea, I use to put it from an M-14 in the bull at 500 yards open sight standing tall…now I can’t see 5oo yards.
I’ve said this before…the one bright spot about the coming storm is it may eliminate the need for the long term insurance expense I never took (there is a victory) and also skipping the possible assisted living end game drag…more good news!
New Zealand. Where the men are men, and the sheep… Are scared!
I’m in New Brunswick, and we’re having our own little “election stealing” gong show as I type this…..look it up. The province will be technically bankrupt within a matter of a few years, as our gov’t credit rating is about to be downgraded again, all while rates are rising. We already have the highest per capita debt in Canada.
I don’t think we have enough people here (750k, more than half over 45 years of age, largest city is less than 100k) to really worry about roving mobs, but I may be wrong. I saw the writing on the wall many years ago and as such have very little debt, a wood stove, huge garden, cold cellar and the ability to be 100% self-sufficient and reasonably comfortable if the lights go out. I probably should get a big dog or two.
Crazy what is going on in New Brunswick. The Conservatives need both the Greens and the People’s Alliance to form a functioning minority government. There are only two chances of that working for even the short term..
Slim and None..
As for the roving mobs, I think you are right not to worry. They will starve in place…. Besides most places in Rural Maritimes have only a couple of roads to and from various towns. It would be easy to lock things down to keep the dindus out..
I am doing much the same in preparing for the turn. I like my chances here because at least I have my clan close by to lean on when shit hits the fan..
Sounds like you are in good standing. Definitely get a big dog or two.
Get a female for sure you will want puppies great for bargaining ??
I have one coming should be born in a month from now
I would recommend two Fila Brasilieros. They naturally hate strangers. Like HATE STRANGERS. You won’t have company beyond the gate until you lock them up. My two workers can now come to the house after a year of being attacked.
Although, they are probably illegal in NB. Go for Boerboels like Llpoh
I am not suggesting NZ or Australia are some kind of paradises. Quite the contrary. They are just a decade or two behind the decay I am seeing in the US. Also, they have far, far fewer people. There are many places there where you can withdraw. The country folk there are as they have ever been.
This was written long ago for those who I think they can hide from the what is to come.
“And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
Sounds a bit like the bunkers being built in New Zealand and elsewhere, doesn’t it? The only safe place to hide is in Jesus Christ. Anywhere else is a misplaced security.
Blessings:-}
Amen, Ed…
But, the wise man doth build his house on the rock, right? I hope we followed the right voice. I suspect, from the way things have worked out, we listened well.
Leaving is not that easy if you are hoping to get your wealth out of the reach of the Feds.
You can leave but the Feds can and do control your money. You will have a big laundering fee to get it out of their reach. Switzerland stopped taking American accounts some years ago because of the global reach of the IRS and their demands.
Flea – you are largely correct. I have Oz citizenship, so have managed it pretty easily. Otherwise, especially given the US taxes you wherever you live, it is pretty damn hard.
I’m not stuck here. I choose to be here, this is my turf and I know it well. Good water, good soil and good sight-lines. No one promised me anything, matter of fact my parents told me life wasn’t always fair, so deal with it. Llpoh isn’t revealing anything that we don’t know, he’s just being his drama ranting self. It’s his Australia “No, this is a knife” way of stirring our pot. Financial collapse is likely in our future, but then it’s in everyone future, even down under.
Plus, practically every animal or bug that moves can kill you!
Peak – that is for damn sure. There is some shit that does not even move that can get you – a cone shell. Houses some sea critter with a stinger that can whip out and get you.
That said, just like in the US, it is bees and horses that kill the most folks. Allergic reaction and falling on your head. But I still hate the snakes and spiders.
The worst part of the South, to me, is snakes, spiders and alligators.
… and skeeters
but hey, beats the black flies.
Prescriptions are the fourth leading cause of death [ just read this today ]. Wondering if the critters come before or after pharmakeia.
I bet the are the cause of more deaths than that… I have come to believe the constant introduction of chemicals via food and medicine causes a lot of damage to our bodies we don’t even think about.
In Alabama the small children under 40 lbs must be chaperoned during the Summer or fear being plucked away by mosquitos the size of Eagles!
We got skeeters in Louisiana that can stand flat-footed and screw a turkey buzzard.
And roaches that walk the dog.
Yea, in 2012 in NC I was swarmed by hornets, about 20 hits (one up the shorts next to the boys). Didn’t have any liquid benadryl with me or an EPI pen. Big Mistake. Barely made it to a local C-Store before staggering in yelling I need liquid benadryl…then passing out hard. I knew I was dying, this wasn’t my first rodeo riding the allergic bronco.
When the EMT crew got there (that was driving past when they got the call- the reason I’m alive) my blood pressure was so low I woke up gasping after they gave me a shot of adrenaline into my heart.
Sitting on the floor the lead EMT lady asked me what happened…I stared at her chuckling…realizing I was still alive. She asked me what happened again, smiling broadly I said: “Nothing I just like to make dramatic entrances.”
Got a good laugh from the crowd of rubber neckers staring down at me.
All of the conditions listed have not happened overnight. One could make a decent argument that these effects are the result of deliberate planning, an attack, if you will.
I will not run and hide, it is just not in my blood, I am an American living in the same county my parents and I were born. I am loath to abandon Lady Liberty in her time of need.
I will stay and support my fellow brothers and sisters, Sons and Daughters of Liberty, no matter the cost.
God bless the fighters!
“We the people” are the source of Liberty. And the people do not know what liberty is. They are no longer capable of that type of reasoning.
The only “Liberty” anyone has in this country today is the freedom to turn on a light, flush a toilet, and microwave popcorn. Those days are numbered.
As a high-level construction manager for the DOE, I can assure you there isn’t sufficient redundancy to keep the national power grid operative if anyone decides to attack a few key, and very vulnerable, power substations.
The investments needed to ensure continued operation of what we have today aren’t being made because the Federal government isn’t going to throw money at a system they intend to cripple permanently when the red/blue bloodbath begins.
That’s the day that Liberty ends everywhere.
Got popcorn?
Llpoh…
Those 3 sentences Could be a Post all by themselves. “They are no longer capable of that type of reasoning”. Sad and Profound.
On another post Stucky asked if anyone had a solution. I said there is none except Detox and the long road of learning how to live clean and sober. We are all so strung out on subsidized everything only a collapse can remedy it.
Flea – you are right. I am most concerned that those perpetuating change do not have a better system in mind than that which the Founders devised. That will be possibly catastrophic.
Add to that the fact that they’re programming computers to help effectuate the change that they want – through censorship and “doxing” those with whom they disagree. Artificial intelligence is a great danger.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web
Mike- I have read about that app based “new and improved” web. Inrupt sounds like yet another shell game that we are supposed to believe is secure from the interference of .gov.
I will wait and see what happens with this before I buy into it.
A bit too generalized, there are plenty who do, and many can be awakened.
Even if “they” do not appreciate Liberty, no matter, it changes nothing for me.
The U.S. Constitution is still THE finest document in all of the lands, I will not find a more liberal, personal liberty orientated jurisdiction anywhere.
I can own, posses, and operate machine guns and say whatever the fuck I want, still.
Nowhere else.
That’s a pretty awesome declaration. I love it.
I tend to agree, but (1) it’s too late for many of us, and (2) I don’t see any other western country, except Russia, that isn’t starting to experience the same rot, even Chile is being overrun with illegals….Whereas Japan and China will never let you in…
And it’s still pretty nice here in southern AZ, and the mountain west in general.
P – you are right. Best you can hope for is to ride out the storm in relative peace and quiet.
As an aside, my travels took me through a lot of Indian country. That is a damn disgrace. All forms of welfare need to be yanked from them immediately. It is killing them. They have no ambition, no future, no nothing. They want nothing but their next meal, and that is about it. Welfare is the root cause. They will never break out of their stupor until the free shit stops flowing. It is a horrifying situation.
One very good thing about this very poor country I ended up in is that the median income is around 18K per household. Now, that sounds poor, but when you consider almost everyone raises livestock, has eggs, gardens and hunts their food, then the local factory job men and women carpool the forty to fifty miles to work is actually kind of Profit, in a way.
These people are poor but they are self-sufficient. The boys are tough but they aren’t mean. Most of them are homeschooled and smart. The young ladies are not delicate flowers. Katlyn got her first deer last year. She is nine.
I think we will be fine in the transition.
“Welfare is the root cause.” No question.
No, the surplus energy that made welfare possible is the root cause. The going-away of surplus energy is what will bite us all in the ass.
I’ve always thought it was the lack of morality that is the root cause but your surplus energy comment makes me reconsider. I think you’re right, it is that surplus that led to everything else, including the luxury of thinking there is a free lunch.
Trust me. The more I study it, the clearer it is to me that thermodynamics and the biophysical economy rule.
GDP is a direct reflection of fuel consumption:
http://www.inscc.utah.edu/~tgarrett/Economics/GDP_is_not_Wealth.html
Morality is entirely contextual, and I don’t say this as a Marxist or post-modernist or whatever other ideology. I say it because I see it.
We were involved in the slaughter of some friends’ pigs yesterday. That humans actually care about “people” and “the future” in more than a superficial way is most likely untrue; instead it’s a fantasy story we tell ourselves in order to feel good about ourselves, allowing the next generation to get born (earlier puberty, child rape/marriage, harems and so forth also help in this, while forestalling procreation, democracy, women’s and XYZ “rights”, literacy, and so forth.. are luxuries borne of surplus).
In the context of the pig slaughter I can tell you I was astounded to see the pigs almost entirely uncaring of the felling of their siblings, the only nervousness being displayed 1.) at the sound of the gun firing and 2.) once the last pig remained: it was skittish to find itself alone, but was still ultimately brought near some handfuls of grain (greed). Why should we think humans are that much different?
Once the first victim pig had been felled and the reverberations of the shot had faded, its siblings were soon lapping at the blood and rooting around under its still-twitching corpse, not acting noticeably differently from how they’d acted before. “Move over, will ya? Geez…”
The government has kept the Native Americans in the condition since they conquered them. It’s a better way to control them. They’re doing the same things to black people today. Bread and circuses.
I do believe your assessment is correct LL. However, having been sent to several other shit hole countries for the sake of profits to bankers and politicians, I will die where I was born. I am about 100% sure there will not be a shooting civil war because the meek have found their way of ruling over others via government and the laws they choose to ignore and the laws they choose to enforce. I will be worm or buzzard food at some point because of my principles, but fuck it. It was a semi-good run while the ignorance and naivety lasted. On that I leave you all with some Roger Waters
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The increasing financialization of the U.S. economy over the last 3-4 decades, along with the flooding of the U.S. with low wage brown coolie labor is largely to blame. Top it all off with idiotic wars of choice and government transfer payments. Multinational corporations outsource production while buying back their own stock and paying their executives outrageous bonuses in stock (insider trading). Debt continues to skyrocket while wages have stagnated. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to figure this out.
Rocket science. Brain surgeon.
Your welcome
That would be “You’re”.
You are right….my bad.
You’re a real brain scientist.
I like “rocket surgeon”
Gonna use that one for sure Todd!
Someone must tell the Republicans – they’ll soon put a stop to it!
That said, I plan to vote straight (R) in November. What the hell…..
I completely agree with Llpoh’s assessment. But it is very difficult to emigrate from the U.S. without a bulging bank account. Mostly, you are not wanted anywhere if you don’t have money. If you are in this condition, but are still determined to leave the U.S. here are a few ideas to give you hope:
1. Take employment with a U.S. company overseas. You earn money while they keep you safe until you ‘know the ropes’. Obviously avoid the ‘independent contractor security’ gigs with the military.
2. If either your parents or grandparents were citizens of a country in Europe, many of those countries will give automatic citizenship to you. Check into it.
3. The Marshall Islands (in the middle of the South Pacific). Our contributor, Muck, sings high praises of the place. The deal the U.S. military made (recently renewed) gives all U.S. citizens the right to both reside and work there. And the “work” part could be what makes it doable for you.
4. For the more desperate: Paraguay (South America) allows anyone in the world to become a citizen if they deposit $5,000 in a Paraguay bank and take up continual residence for two years. (a caution: rumor has it that Ragheads from around the world know of this).
5. For the extremely desperate: You can always just ‘visit’ a country with a visa and then just not leave. The details are up to you.
6. A final idea: If you are a legitimate Christian, with references to back the claim, there are many opportunities to go overseas and work within the confines of a Christian charity.
That’s is the best advice I’ve seen yet for those wanting to scram.
Good advice except for the fact that the Marshall Islands are a complete shithole, along with Kiribati, Tonga, Samoa, Soloman Islands even fricking Fiji is a shithole. And they are all surrounded by Fukushima radiation for years to come,…
Tahiti is nice, at least they have French women- and good baguettes.
I’m sure it’s not Kansas, but it ain’t Somalia either. So there’s that.
Vodka – great info.
The idea that a sizeable number of us tattooed American land whales could relocate to different countries is absurd. Nor would the Aussies or Kiwis tolerate very many of us intruding on their paradise down under. New Zealand even recently passed a law barring property ownership by foreigners. Good for them, and I wish we would do the same.
I don’t imagine mass migration out of the U.S. My comment was for TBP readers, who are a different breed of bear if you haven’t already noticed.
My condolences that your parents named you “Todd”. That has to be a huge setback in life.
I worked in New Zealand in the mid 80’s and loved it. I tried to move there recently but it looked like they were only looking for young people with jobs that won’t displace people already there. They want you to put a huge sum of cash up front to cover health insurance etc.
Also recently visited Costa Rica. Loved it there too. Looking into maybe living there part time. I could run my company from there sitting on a beach in my shorts and flipflops. No 24/7 marketing in your face. The one thing I did not like down there were the finicky Americans. They expect every thing they have up north down there. They don’t get it. Simple life is so much better. When in New Zealand, it was obvious a lot of kids were moving to Austrailia or US because life was perceived to be so much better in those places. Wonder if that trend reversed.
A guy I was dating in the ’80s always visited Costa Rica and bought property there because he believed in the future there would be a race war in America. He planned to leave and go to his property in Costa Rica.
Llpoh exemplifies the ‘boiling frog fable.’ If a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.
Many of us, with the exception of TBPers, are frogs in tepid water that is being brought to a boil slowly so we don’t notice the gradual but continual deterioration. Llpoh has been away from the U.S. long enough that, on returning, he sees the changes markedly. Thanks, Llpoh for confirming what many TBPers suspect.
As long as Trump is in office there won’t be a financial collapse because the powers that want it to happen know Trump will not Bail them out.There will no mass riots in the nation cause these bastards know Trump won’t put up with their shit. As long as Trump is in office we all have more time to prepare.
These people tell us what they are going to do. Go to the Council on Foreign Relations website and others like it .These people tell us what they are going to do .Trump is wealthy but he is not a traitor who hates white people. They know this. The ” elites have changed their agenda ” while he is President. They are going to run up the stock market as high as they can. They will take advantage of this opportunity. Gold and silver will remain good investments as are intentionally keeping the price low. Go to websites the money elites go to. You would be surprised at the information these money elites give up to one another.
After Trump is out of office all hell is coming to our nation. They want a cashless society with some type of World government. They know if they can get one more of ” theirs ” in office they will be safe .One world Luciferians know what they want and the Bible tells me they are going to get it.
Big Injun Chief , glad to hear from you but it’s a little to late for most of us. I’m going to stay here and do the best I can. I am still with my Mom and bless her heart she is not going anywhere. I think I talk her into going to Northwest Carolina. I love my Mom and will not leave her under any circumstances.
Hopefully we will be somewhere in the Appalachian mountains in a house with some land when all hell hits our once great nation. Glad to know you’re OK.
BB, I’m in the same boat. Would never leave my elderly mother and she would never leave South Carolina.
If Rand Paul became the next president, he wouldn’t bail out the bankers either.
BB that is probably the most accurate scenario i have heard. However they will crash the economy by august 2020 to blame trump and make sure he is gone by november election so they get their satan in place
Gerold – great stuff. I travel the world regularly, and nothing has hit me so hard as this trip to the US. I know what to expect in Europe, but what I have seen in the US came as a big kick in the nuts. This place has deteriorated further than what I saw the last time I was in Lodon, which went from amazing to a shithole in about thirty years.
One problem is drugs. The other is black culture is being pushed on young whites at a tremendous rate.
Llpoh you are experiencing culture shock. Just like I did when coming back to the mainland 10 years ago. Now I am used to it.
Dams straight I am. I no longer recognize this place.
Nope, I’m staying.
Australia and New Zealand have the same economic, snowflake, PC, immigration, and social problems as the USA.
When the hordes come screaming out of Brisbane, Perth or Christchurch and Wellington the guns will be mostly in the hands of the government.
I have less than 150 people in the zip code, and they are almost all hunters/farmers/ranchers.
It’s a long way to the city, and it’s mountainous and over 8000′ around here… and we have our guns and ammo.
While I can understand though disagree with folks bailing on country I refuse!
I will fight like a badger for the good things this country represents and more then likely die for that,so be it.
I could go on for literally pages about why I am not bailing but all folks need to know is I am staying!
Badass. Pure badassness.
Apparently, I’m living in the bubble. Chicago gets a bad rap everywhere about everything, so why is what’s happening, happening. Condo’s going up everywhere, apts too, restaurants everywhere packed every day… more restaurants opening up. You should see the nightlife here, as a new uber driver I’m amazed at all the people and activity. This city has exploded with development over the last few years…
Things change, and we who remember decry the change. But does anyone know the future; and just because it’s different does that mean it’s going to shit. I’ve heard this crap about the coming apocalypse for decades, literally decades. Well, maybe someday, maybe not. But the economic power resides in the big cities, where’s the resources going to go if things turn bad… it ain’t the country, it’s where the money is and that’s the major cities.
If the apocalypse is economic, the big city economic powerhouses will turn into poor houses. Not a good place to be. The majority of rural people can get by, usually by farming or hunting. Many are self-sufficient.
If such is the case, you’re gonna need all the guns and ammo you can buy. Come to think, I will too.
Few people can leave their homes (and families) behind. I wouldn’t. Why live if I leave my children to their own fate?
No. This is my land. I’m going nowhere. I know beyond doubt that no one knows the future, and that the coming conflagration will have unexpected blessings and curses. Recall that many Brits saw the coming troubles in 1938 and fled to the SOUTH PACIFIC. Ooops.
Yes, the tattoos and green hair and morbid obesity are horrifying, as are the endless Espanol only people (one in ten living in America now, I’d wager.) They come for the freebies. What will they do when the National MasterCard gets declined? I don’t know….
I play with my grandkids, and I prepare for peace.
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Try a third world country with a ineffective tin pot dictator. Things are so screwed up in Nicaragua with a completely moronic general population you can pretty much get away with anything just by making a word salad.
Until the truck full of guys with Ak’s show up at least. I have a serious bug out plan for that event but until then, things are cool and the shitty beer is cheap.
Good scotch is pretty pricey but Llpoh already gave me some tips on dealing with that, although not 100% convinced on the Corn Flakes bourbon.
And no, the door did not hit my ass on the way out.
Last week I was in my local liquor store and saw a 750ml bottle of 32 year old single malt scotch (Laphroaig Islay?) for $1,109.99. A little sign said “save 90!”. I don’t know shit about scotch. Maybe people routinely pay $1,000 for a bottle of hooch. It wasn’t even in a case. It was just a couple shelves above the $10 stuff. I could have picked it up and dropped it. I don’t understand the green hair. I don’t get the tats and piercings. I think they’re ugly. But I also don’t understand $1,100 whiskey unless your name is Thurston Fucken Howell III.
I have paid $400 for a 17 year old islay, 135 proof. It is pure, intense, smokey, wonderful. I have a dram of it when I want something really powerful. But it is too expensive, albeit great. But $1000? Nope, not gonna happen.
Where I am living, the big bottle of Johnny Walker Red for about $17.00 USD equivalent is good. Liquor taxes are l o w. No weed though.
Funny. As long as this thread is, I don’t think I saw any one mention Canada. Interesting, that is. Too prog?
Luminae – I buy lots of Walker Red. I use it to light fires.
For Scotch, I personally draw the line at $120 or so…. every ten years!
Go back ,Your no American .
Zerbe – you are the guy with the horseshoe nosering I saw yesterday, right? 350 lbs, tats, ugly as bitch on your arm that smelled like a dead skunk? That was you, right?
Those are Walmart freaks. Which is one reason I hate Walmart. The crazy ones go there.
No one is anything anymore…
The Nazis fucked up…
They made us all the same it’s now the We The Peoples against all the tyranny upon our earth.
It must be nice to have so much money that getting out is even an option.
Money helps. Determination does too. Hang in there.
KaD, right? How is your SO. When you are a cancer survivor the rest of this shit is just..well shit.
I left recently divorced and broke. Best and easiest way to do it.
No wife, no money and a job to get restarted.
The other countries are liberal hell holes.
I understand where you’re coming from and appreciate the humor as you look around. Pack your bags and go. I ain’t goin nowhere motherfucker. There’s a whole lot of sumbitches just like me, the forgotten. This is our home, fuck with that and you’ll wish you were never even born.
Your home is filled with shitheads and they are stinking up the place. What are you going to do about it, tough guy?
They have done fucked with it, and you haven’t done a damn thing, have you? They have shit all over your home, and you have sat back and pulled your pud. And yet you still yap like you have a pair. You talk tough, but are not going to do shit, or you would have done it by now.
There is the difference between you and me. I am never going to fight Americans. They have the right to choose, bad as those choices are. So I beat feet. You on the other hand will talk real tough but not do a damn thing, otherwise you would have done it by now. At least I did something.
Who fucking ran away?
Not Mr Roe
Let He who is without sin cast the first stone
Llpoh You brought in great comments so thank you for that and I wish everyone who reads this that may God bless you all in our time of need.
Al – blow me. I left. I will not fight Americans, and I chose a better life for me and mine.
Mr. Roe puffed out his chest and talked about what he would do if anyone fucked with his home. Well, they have taken a big dump right in his living room, and he has done nothing. His big words are bullshit.
Al – blow me. They have shit in his house, and he has done nothing. As it should be.
I can’t do much, but I can die on my feet instead of living on my knees. Maybe I won’t last long but maybe I will encourage the younger generation to grow some balls and fight.
I don’t know why I was born in this time and this place but here is where I live and here is where I will die.
Bloom where you are planted.
You packed up and left.., how is that doing something? It’s running away. There’s a whole lot of good people here to pick up the pieces after the rich fucks gut this country out.
Dennis – you said you would take us p arms. I call bullshit. Just when would that be? They have shit aplenty on your homeland. The tax theft, the vested interests, the erosion of Constitutional rights, the do nothing politicians, the police state. What are you going to do, and just when are you going to do it? Because they have already dumped on your homeland. I have already done plenty.
Yeah, you’re right, I’ll fight Americans, half of them ain’t even American, their loyalties lie elsewhere. Let’s get something straight you stupid son of a bitch, you won’t be missed.
“This is our home, fuck with that and you’ll wish you were never even born.”
You got that right. That made me sit up straight!
I’ve turned my homestead/farm into a serious compound with hidden fighting positions, stashed portable 2 X 6 nail filled punji planks and all kinds of other surprises I best not go into. I’m armed to the teeth, ghillie and geared up and it won’t my first eyeball to eyeball grunt war. If push comes to gunfire I suspect it will be like riding a bicycle. Getting old but still full of piss, vinegar and no matter what happens I’ll die a free American.
On a Saturday or Sunday you can hear my neighbors on all points of the compass banging away, occasionally on full auto.
Don’t want it…but I’m ready for it mentally, physically and prep wise.
Mark – they have already fucked with it. Just more big talk, no action. Just what do they have to do that it will be classified “fuck with our home”? You will not do anything, nor should you.
Mark, you seem to be talking about your personal home. That is a different thing. Mr Roe was talking about the country, and they have crapped all over that already, and no one has done a damn thing except spout off about how they will do x,y,z.
Llpoh,
I was. I was moved by the defiance in the sentence Dennis Roe used that I quoted because I share it.
I’ve been convinced for years there is a Civil War coming. I think the trigger will be the Everything Bubble bursting. I’m so positive of it I’ve been preparing to defend my home with tactics I learned the hard way in 69 for years. I have even had a vivid dream seeing myself shot in the head and killed at a crossroads on my farm where it would be logical place to defend a rolling intrusion. Man, that was spooky. It bothered me for a month…so I put a hidden covered fight’en position in the exact place…with a couple of felled trees to cover a tactical retreat.
I suspect one day I’m going to have to fight Americans, I think some of them will give me no choice.
This was a fascinating thread, you stired it up! I always follow you…never disappointing.
Thanks Mark. It has been a great thread. Terrific comments. I am no Stuck, but I have an occasional moment.
If they come for your family or your home, you must defend. I am no pacifist. Some folks say I ran away. Not the way I see it or think of it. I believe in the right to choose.
Many, many Americans are choosing poorly. It is not my way to fight that. I have done my bit in my own way. And I have prepped my kids. Now I look after me and mine, and the devil will have his due for the mistakes made by the masses.
“Some folks say I ran away. ” ——Llpoh
I give you full permission to use my patented “Go suck Diseased Donkey Dick” as a reply to such maroons.
To your detractors, let me once again state the painfully obvious ……. unless you or your parent(s) are Native American you are from somewhere else!! That means you, your parents, great grandparents, etc. ALSO “ran away” from some place. When you condemn Llpoh, you condemn yourself, oh, thou hypocrite. So, fuck you and your judgemental bullshit which you heap upon my pal Llpoh.
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To Llpoh: I accept your apology.
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StuchenChoctaw
This theme comes up all the time and not just on this post. Is it “running” away to get yourself and family out of harms way or is it it “better” or more noble to sacrifice everything for what you hold most dear (your home and country in this case)?
The point people always miss is so simple they fly right by it. The whole discussion is just spewing opinions. Hollywood Rob had a thread about foundational truths, well here is one: “Opinions are easy, decisions are hard.” We can all spew opinions all day long and it matters little to not at all. You made a decision. Period. Is it the “right” one? Who knows? There’s a thousand question embedded in that one and we can never have all the answers. The point is you took all the information you had and could get and you made a fucking decision and kudos to you. That’s the real lesson here.
And saying you’re going to wage (and almost definitely win) a war against the zombie hoards that are most assuredly on there way is neither opinion or decision…this is pure fantasy and complete nonsense.
Now, to say “I’m not leaving, come what may” is a decision and an admirable one.
Again, the question of “right” is nearly infinite in scope and as such always up for grabs. All we can do is to be decisive and tell the truth.
Drud – you are being sensible. You gotta stop that. TBP is no place for that. We fling shit. To hell with being sensible.
Nice post, though.
And just what are individuals supposed to do? Vote? Good luck with that.
You can only do for yourself and family and friends. The rest of the country has to take care of itself. When you can’t control your government because they think they’re above the law, are corrupt as hell, and bribed by lobbyists, and no longer represent the American people, you have to fend for yourself and those you care about. Other than that, tell me what can be done individually.
Opt out. Starve the beast. Win hearts and minds. Prepare to be around to pick up the pieces.
Thanks Mark, appreciate it brother.
Yea man…I’m with you. I am more then ready to stand and fight these bastards, domestic and foreign. Trust me I an’t no keyboard warrior. I was the real deal once upon a time, a bit of a berserker, but I am more dangerous at 68 that I ever was at 19.
Semper Fi
You were on the West Coast? I don’t think the South is quite that bad.
So far WA, OR, CA, AZ, NM, CO, WY, NE, SD, NV, UT, and a few more to go. Here for biz, family, and now scenery. Whirlwind tour in some parts. Most beautiful,to me: Southern Colorado.
I love southern Colorado. If I were to build a similar doomstead to yours it would probably be in the Walsenburg area. Shit, they are giving away land down there (still out of my price range at the moment though. 🙂 )
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Screw that….let it all reset so us normals can right this ship and exterminate the freakshows that made it collapse. We dont run we gun. Fix it. Its our country we owe it to our dead patriots to fight for our Republic just as they did and if its to be we shall be glad to pay the ultimate price to keep it too. Fuck running to some bullshit other country with no gun rights.
Snowman – let me know when you start gunning. Like that is gonna ever happen. Flap your lips, but are clueless . If you were going to “gun”, you would have done it already. All hat, no cattle, you bigmouths.
We both know you are not going to do shit. Nor should you. People have the right to be represented. They are choosing poor reps, and have done for a very long time. A collapse is coming, and the Republic is unlikely to survive as you envision it.
You are wrong there Llpoh,many,reluctantly,when either a shtf or full blown open tyranny hit use firearms,though they are a small part of what will be unfortunately full blown 4th gen.Fighting tyranny and hungry hordes feel millions will be fighting,as always,the man(or woman)with nothing to lose has everything to gain.I also feel at that point unless a very remote island type community/country in middle of no where folks there will be affected also.