Like Hoover and Dubya, will Trump eat his words about the economy?

Guest Post by Paul Brandus

“The fundamental business of the country, that is the production and distribution of commodities, is on a sound and prosperous basis,” Herbert Hoover said on October 25, 1929.

Oops.

“The basics in the economy are good,” George W. Bush said on Dec. 4, 2007.

Double oops.

Both of these presidents would soon regret their words. Hoover’s comments came after “Black Thursday,” when stocks fell 11% in the morning before clawing back—only to plunge 13% on “Black Monday” (Oct. 28), and another 12% the day after that. It was the beginning of the worst economic downturn the United States had ever seen—the Great Depression, which was made worse by a bone-headed decision to impose tariffs on America’s trade partners.

In Bush’s case, stocks were already two months into a collapse that would take the S&P 500 SPX, -0.28%   down a staggering 56% in 17 months. Behind the crash: a housing bubble—inflated by a period of low interest rates—had burst the year before, causing mortgage delinquency rates to spike and spill over into the credit market. Bush’s downturn turned into the worst since Hoover’s.

Which brings us to President Trump. This is neither 1929 nor 2007. Even so, we’ve shed $2.1 trillion in stock market wealth since the market high of Sept. 20 (per Wilshire Associates), more than enough to be concerned about. Trump keeps reassuring us, as Hoover and Bush did, that everything will be fine. The economy’s the greatest it has ever been, he brags (it’s not, but that’s another discussion). And those tariffs? They’re “working big time,” he says. “Believe me.” He’s always asking us to believe him.

Just how solid the economy really is I’ll get to in a moment. But this has to be pointed out first: Trump has bragged about the stock market so much—71 tweets since being elected and countless spoken references—that he now owns it for better or worse. In TrumpWorld, you must ignore the fact that the S&P 500 more than tripled (+221%) between the market low of 666 (March 9, 2009) and election day 2016 (2,139), or that for full calendar years 2009 through 2016 it averaged gains of 14.6% each and every year. None of these facts matter at all. In TrumpWorld, the stock market’s rocket ride only began the day after he was elected.

The president has used stocks as a proxy for his policies, his competence, his entire presidency. “The Stock Market just reached an All-Time High during my Administration for the 102nd Time, a presidential record, by far, for less than two years,” he tweeted two weeks ago.

But Trump wants to have his cake and eat it too. When stocks go up, he wants all the credit. It’s all because of his genius, his leadership, his Superman cape (ask Kanye West about this). Yet when stocks go down, it’s clearly somebody else’s fault. Who? Why the Fed of course, for raising rates. “They’ve gone crazy,” Trump insists. And maybe in the grand scheme of things, or as West calls it, the “infinite universe,” maybe he’s right. But grabbing all the credit but refusing to accept any blame? Trump has become just another buck-passing DC politician.

Anyway, just how solid is the economy? You never hear the president mention things like this:

The housing industry—one-sixth of the economy—is cooling.

The auto industry is cooling.

Corporate profits are still rising—but the rate of growth is slowing.

Scores of companies say they are being hammered by Trump’s tariff war. Remember: China and other countries don’t pay for tariffs like Trump—in one of his bigger falsehoods—claims. Companies pay when they bring goods into the country—and pass the cost along to you, in the form of higher prices. In the end, you pay. Not Xi Jinping.

Meantime, there are a raft of overseas problems, and if you think in a hyperconnected world that problems elsewhere don’t impact us, you better think again.

The absence of commentary from Trump on these realities doesn’t mean they don’t exist. They do exist and any one of them, or a combination of them, could spell trouble if they get out of hand. Liberal Trump haters are itching to bring on the Hoover and Bush comparisons. Are they actually wishing for a downturn just so they can make a point? Shameful. But with economic problems lurking—and which could blow up at any time—Trump may want to tone it down. But that’s not his style.

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starfcker
starfcker
October 15, 2018 2:36 pm

Makes you wonder where all these Trump haters come from. “Obama has done better than his critics are willing to admit.”

Paul Brandus, USA Today 2017. Oh, that’s where.

Stucky
Stucky
October 15, 2018 2:41 pm

Trump is basically one lucky SOB regarding the economy.

Here’s what I mean; I would bet my 1995 Buick Century that Trump could NOT pass the Final Exam of a college level Economics class. Really. Cutting regulations, cutting taxes, and making new trade deals …. pffft, that’s pretty basic stuff. Even so, I’ll bet my ‘Benz E500 that Trump doesn’t really know the intricacies of WHY those policies work. They just do.

If you’re a Trumpeteer and about to vote me down … can you at least tell me what you think Trump really understands about this multi trillion dollar economy?

Not that passing a college economics exam means anything!! I’ll bet that Mega Ass Klown Kramer can ace such a test.

What I guess I really believe in my heart is what I said in the opening sentence above. Presidents make some kind of decision about growing the economy, and then usually one of two things happen, they become; 1) lucky SOBs, or 2) un-lucky shits.

It’s a toss up. They don’t really know shit. The American and world economy is just too big, and there are a gazillion variables affecting it all for their decisions to truly matter. I mean look at Bush, the dumb one! In a normal “blind” interview most people would not hire him to run a Convenience Store … yet, he “ran” the country??? Riiiiight.

starfcker
starfcker
  Stucky
October 15, 2018 2:58 pm

So. Trump has been able to renegotiate trade deals with Korea, Mexico, and Canada, that are much more favorable to American workers because he’s a dumbass? Productive industry has grown steadily since he took office because he doesn’t understand economics? Maybe you’ve been lied to Stuckey. Take the scales off your eyes. Trump told you from the moment he announced his candidacy what he was going to do, and what the results would be, economically. And now that things are following that track, it’s because he’s economically illiterate? No he’s not a liberal. Sorry to disappoint you. No he doesn’t give a fuck about the Mises Institute. Nobody economically literate does. Sorry to disappoint you. Liberalism is a pox on our society. He intends to flush it down the toilet. Sorry.

CCRider
CCRider
  starfcker
October 15, 2018 4:39 pm

No he doesn’t give a fuck about the Mises Institute. That’s the point you dolt.

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
  Stucky
October 15, 2018 9:43 pm

He may not be able to recite the entire Constitution, or diagram how the Swift system works, but he knows how to work a deal. And that’s 100% better than anyone who’s been in that office for decades.

Democrats enslave people
Democrats enslave people
  Stucky
October 16, 2018 6:14 am

Stucky while I agree history shows stupid Presidential decisions have had major impacts from the economy to wars. Obama was dumb as a cockroach but surely knew how to place crazy leftists as lifetime appointed judges and laws that were clearly against America that affect us even today. Seems mostly only their bad decisions have a real impact. Their good decisions seems to be a grain of sand on a beach as far as impacting economies.

Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
October 16, 2018 12:17 pm

Wow.

7 of you (down voters) think Trump actually understands economics.

7 of you actually think Trump calls the shots.

7 of you don’t understand the true workings of American Government, politics, or the world.

(Or, maybe bb just recruited 6 of his relatives to vote down?)

CCRider
CCRider
October 15, 2018 4:26 pm

So a trade war while deteriorating world economies and a stock market now the longest in history?

Who was it that said history doesn’t repeat but it often rhymes? I’m leaning towards repeat.

Uncola
Uncola
October 15, 2018 4:52 pm

It appeared that even as far back as July of this year, Trump returned to his strategy from the 2016 campaign – blaming the Fed.

In late July, he Tweeted:

The United States should not be penalized because we are doing so well,” Trump tweeted. “Tightening now hurts all that we have done. The U.S. should be allowed to recapture what was lost due to illegal currency manipulation and BAD Trade Deals. Debt coming due & we are raising rates – Really?”

Then, after the stock market drops last week, he told Fox News the following:

That wasn’t it. The problem I have is with the Fed. The Fed is going wild. They’re raising interest rates and it’s ridiculous….

The problem in my opinion is the Fed,” he added. The Fed is going loco.

Fully expecting the Mainstream Media Incorporated to cock-block that message and, instead, blame taxes and/or trade, Trump will continue using his Bully Pulpit on TV and in sold-out arenas and venues around the nation.

But will it, in the end, insulate Trump from picking up Herbert Hoover’s historical tab?

Stay tuned and don’t touch that dial. We’ll be right back….

Uncola
Uncola
  Uncola
October 15, 2018 6:04 pm

And now, a rerun from the NYT in September, 2016:

He [Trump] said that the American economy was in a “big, fat, ugly bubble” that would pop when the Fed started raising rates. Ms. Yellen, he said, was waiting until President Obama left office.

card802
card802
October 15, 2018 4:55 pm

Remember the first two years obama blamed republicans for high gas prices, his last six years he took credit for lower gas prices, as if he had anything to do with gas prices.

Trump will never eat his words, it will be the Fed’s fault, and it is the Feds fault. Trump is just like any other politician, they will say whatever it is that promotes them, or deflects from them at that moment, that is as long as
the media helps.
Trump can make all the trade deals he want’s, there ain’t no stopping this choo choo from going over the cliff.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  card802
October 15, 2018 6:58 pm

Just couldn’t help myself card802… ?

https://youtu.be/_pnfzrABrzk

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 15, 2018 8:00 pm

I’m tired of the Smoot Hawley Act argument. The tariff was in response to capital flight to the dollar.

I’d rather think, a floating tariff based on the valuation of the currency should always exist. And the tariff should immediately be refunded to the tax payer.

The tariff does not lead to an increase in prices due to the dollar getting stronger.

You could as a nation have a comparative advantage in many things and lose it overnight to a revaluation of your currency.

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
October 15, 2018 9:40 pm

As previously covered here and elsewhere, the numbers we get from the Fedgov are mostly useless. Therefore we have no idea of where the fuck things actually stand. Mark to fantasy, remember? Trump can always play that card.

CryptoCurrency will enslave you
CryptoCurrency will enslave you
October 16, 2018 6:09 am

The author Paul Barndus obviously does not understand the phrase “reversion to the mean”. The average bull market is up +224%. This is not even an average bull market! Goober….he is a Trump hating doomsdayer.