A couple days ago hundreds of Arab Christians went bezerk in (((Haifa))) because of the display (below) at a museum. (Story here.)
Q1: Is this offensive to you?
— Q1A: If “yes”, why?? (Doesn’t your God have a sense of humor??)
Q2: Isn’t this picture below far, far MORE offensive?
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Me?
Q1: Not offended whatsoever. I suppose it all depends how you look at it;
—1) Ronald McDonald loved us so much that he ate a McShits Burger and died …. so that YOU don’t have to!!
—2) God DOES have a sense of humor! It’s like this. Suppose you have an ant farm box in your living room. One day, the ants — who think you are God — take their little pebbles and make a statue of you. However, they are horrible artists and the statue make you look like a penis (literally). Would you get mad at them? Of course, not!! They’re just dumb ants!! In fact, you’d go and call all your friends and neighbors to look at what your ants did, and all would shout out “Hosanna!” for their little accomplishments. I firmly believe that’s what Jesus did this past Monday; “Hey, Dad (Jehobah)! Gabriel! Abraham! Moses! Ya just gotta check out Ronnie McDonald on the cross. Ain’t that cute!!”
Q2: That picture is a thousand more times more offensive. Especially since so many atrocities are committed in war … including those by American soldiers. You see, that kid that was just shot … well, Jesus died for THAT kid also!!! To think that God blesses our wars and/or our soldiers is pure unadulterated bullshit, and stinketh to high heaven.
If they don’t love the Lord Jesus … KILL THEM !
Spear, sling shots, and bullet… all projectiles.
All possess lethal ballistic properties.
All equal in the eyes of God.
Definitely more equal then the people who employ them.
Religion should never be at the point of a gun. That’s not faith. It’s submission.
Q1 maybe a little
Q2 I think God has a better sense of humor than I do. But He’s pretty rigid on the no false god thing
Q3 Yeah probably, we should be trying to do more to be on God’s side than expecting him to be on ours. Your Answer is better than mine
I find them both offensive.
why
Making fun of people’s beliefs, I would bet, have caused more wars than any other reason. Other than resources maybe. I also believe it leads to closed minds and less freedom since it puts one faith over another.
However, I wouldn’t drop lead over it or make fun of Odin in retaliation.
Go ahead and make fun of Odin he doesnt care cuz he thinks you’re a pussy anyways…
Drop trou’
Drop lead
Readin’ TBP comments, mah English be improving and shit.
My own opinion is Christians should not care if they’re made fun of. Show God through your actions. Shine your light. Words are nothing more than words. Christians have been persecuted in the past for much worse than words, meaning for their faith alone. Let words roll off your back, pray, and continue in your everyday Christian living.
Words are important, in fact columns such as this only allow God’s Word to be seen by people that might not otherwise see or hear it. It does not return void.
John 15:18-19 (KJV) Jesus speaking.
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
First one I don’t find offensive. I like that Christians aren’t brainwashed enough to go bonkers over it, even if they object.
Second one is offensive objectively because kids or anyone else dying in war is offensive. Jesus joking about it isn’t funny IMO.
It’s no different that when someone disrespects Mohammed. They’re both symbols of their respective brands of religion at this point. Sorta like Coke and Pepsi. Or maybe Coke and Mountain Dew.
The images are not allowed in either religion (and pseudo/political religion).
You admire someone who married a six-year-old and raped her at nine? Why? How?
..I’m going to assume that under your umbrella of atrocities done in the name of God you’re including the raping, molesting, pillaging, torturing, sodomizing, butchering, murdering, suicide bombing, maiming , killing, done in the name of Allah….right?
Yes. Absolutely.
1. There were other folks crucified. Anybody who thinks Ronald is the Christ has put his faith in burgers.
2. Those flowing robes seem impractical, that is Roman attire.
3. Whose side was Jesus on during the Civil War, the Southern patriots or the Irish immigrants fighting on the side of the North in exchange for a green card?
So, in your opinion, it’s ok to call Jesus a clown?
Jesus ain’t a clown he just peddles hamburger
Jesus wasn’t the only person ever to be crucified you know. That he has become a “symbol” of crucifixions somewhat diminishes the horrors that so many others suffered under the brutal Roman occupation of their lands.
Both pictures are offensive……period.
BB is proof God has a sense of humor.
On second thought, Jeebus was only one of thousands crucified on a cross. I can agree that MCD has been crucified millions of times on the interwebs for serving McShit on a Shingle, unfit for humans. Perhaps it is art by some poor slob who ate at a McD and felt inspired to give his opinion of the just punishment for what they serve.
If others want to take it that it means Jeebus was a clown, that’s their problem.
“BB is proof God has a sense of humor”
Q: Where in the Bible does God talk about BB?
A: Here —> “And I will send … pestilence upon them” —- Jer 24:10
the 1st pic is offensive if it’s being done to be shoved into the face of christians,just stupid if someone is trying to be funny–
the 2nd pic would not display,could you post it down here in the comments section?
so what if it is offensive.
as long as it’s private $ & displayed on private property,it’s none of my business,i was answering stuck’s question–
however,i would add that every shot against christianity is a shot against western civilization —
western civilization was basically built upon a foundation of christianity & it seems to me that there are lots of guys on this site who are hostile either to christianity or all religion–
you’ll be hard pressed to find a strong society that is not religious,why do you think islam is ascendant & we are declining?
if you read between the lines,some of our founding fathers weren’t strong believers but they kept their mouths closed & went thru the motions of religiosity–
for those of you who are not religious but care greatly about western civ,i’d say support christianity–
Meh
Western Europe was built first on Norse Myths and Monoliths….
hey that rhymes!
The stories and fables from desert came muh later..
Jesus and his raghead gang from Levant are johnny come latelys to the partays
lol
boy,you’re taking the express elevator to the lowest level,you’d better listen up–
the lowest level is not hot,it’s full of starving polar bears–
you got me good on that one Red.. pretty funny
cheers
Cross should have been made of french fries.
With some expertly applied ketchup (Jackson Pollock style?) for dramatic effect.
My first thought.
Q1) I laughed. In fact, it didn’t even occur to me to be offended (maybe I’m dumb). My first thought was that it’s better than that “piss Christ” Mapplethorpe photo from 20 years (or more) ago.
Q2) Doesn’t offend me at all. That’s more a commentary on jingoistic support for evil wars than a commentary on the Lord.
What offends me most is when SJW pseudo-Christians try to claim that the essence of Christianity is the latest liberal cause: global warming, encouraging pre-teens to “transition” to the other sex, “reproductive rights”, the supposed right of people to sneak into whatever country they want to and start making demands.
What if your father was a war hero who saved hundreds of lives without firing a shot while even demonstrating mercy and respect to his enemies? What if after the war your father was celebrated as a hero by the military leaders and civilians of all the nations that were involved in the conflict? What if your father came home and was given the medal of honor that he was too humble to accept so he gave it to the mayor of your city so it could be celebrated on behalf of your entire town including you and your sons and daughters as something to be proud of? What if the circus came to your town full of dirtbags and degenerates and carnival workers who spit and shit on your father’s medal of honor in the town square?
Q1: Would that be offensive to you?
Q1A: If “yes”, why?? (Doesn’t your Dad have a sense of humor??)
bad breath,
y’all ought to pull that mote outta yer eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
your Dad.
Forgive the little cowards Father, they know not how fucking retarded they are.
From the church of the golden arches:
And from what I saw in searching “crucified ronald mcdonald,” this is absolutely NOT a new thing. No shock that it is in Israel though.
And indeed, I find any picture using the “prince of peace” as tool to promote the murderous, aggressive activities of the overseas empire, simply disgusting.
If “art” is supposed to “evoke an emotional response,” then there is a lot of art that involves the crucifixion, other religious imagery, McDonalds, etc.
A#1. No, not offensive at all.
On the other hand, a steer nailed onto some golden arches; that would be blasphemy plus a big fat ugly lawsuit from a gigantic fast-food franchise.
A#1a. The Abrahamic God doesn’t have any sense of humor. Nope, not one iota.
Can’t handle money either; ask George Carlin about that.
A#2. Not offensive.
“Gott mit uns” works for everyone – Germans, Muzzies, British, Jews, Spanish Conquistadors…
Reading the article offered a bit more about it. Supposed ‘artist’ is from Finland.
IMO, that’s not art. It’s a shock value display attempt to either mock something, or elicit a reaction of one type or more.
Looking at it, I’m guessing the Finn who presented it, wants viewers to debate what it means. It’s significance. It’s message.
It’s garbage, so I don’t care to waste time thinking about it.
The creator has no artistic talent, just like most modern artists.
Good sculptors of marble statues are artists. Musical composition creators like Mozart are genius artists.
Q1. No, no offense taken, and I’m a practicing Christian. Deciding to be offended at something is really a fools game. I’d rather ignore it. I won’t pay…money to fund it, see it, buy it, and won’t pay attention to it. The fact that ((some people)) chose to display it, just helps reinforce anti semitism.
Like the article’s objector stated, “A picture of Hitler holding a Torah wouldn’t be tolerated”, and an uproar would ensue, if displayed anywhere in Haifa.
So, the hypocrisy is what’s infuriating, not some shitty display. I doubt Jesus is really pissed off at that Ronald crucifixion.
Q2. If choosing to take offense, yes, that picture is more offensive, because IMO it falsely sends more than 1 bad message.
About the U.S., war, who influences it, troops, killing, children casualties, and the Lord’s supposed approval.
In all conflicts, both parties believe they’re justified in killing.
…some with religious dogma badges or, false honor.
The only ones worthy of having our Creator on their ‘side’, or protecting them are…
The Peacemakers.
But, the evil intent is too widespread. Legion. Many.
The larger question is, how can a peaceful, faithful person eliminate the evil attacking on all sides, without killing? He can’t, and will try to flee, or submit to it. Or, He will kill as a last resort, to ensure survival, to help the cause in evils elimination, and, then seek forgiveness for having taken life, even if in self defense.
If / how / when he will be judged, is a topic for another day.
Very good comment, Anonymous.
One of my earliest memories as a small boy was a visit to a Catholic relatives house and being put in a room for a nap. On the wall was a crucifix facing the bed. It terrified me and I started carrying on until my mother came in and took it down when I told her the ‘problem’.
What a grisly and sadistic symbol for Christianity. Yes, the Romans did crucify people but isn’t enough to tell people Jesus died on the cross? Why rub people’s noses in a 2000 year old barbaric execution.
I think that is a Lenny Bruce joke. He said if there had been electric chairs back then, Christians would be wearing electric chair pendants.
It’s funny how effective and enduring comedians’ social conditioning can be.
“Let me write a nation’s jokes and I care not who writes the laws.” – Lenin.
Except that Lenny Bruce would be quite wrong.
The cross was extremely vile and offensive to the early Christians. Going from memory here — but, I believe Christians didn’t start wearing crosses as a symbol of their faith for at least 200 years after Jesus’ crucifixion.
From an object of scorn to one that is revered. Funny how that happened ….
Going from memory here —
Are you some fucken Transylvanian vampire? Do you recall a time when the sun was orange back, say 2,000 years ago?
“Revered” is the word, Stucky. None should be revered but the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Places and items should never be revered. It’s like the saying of the love of money is the root of all evil. You can’t have two masters. But now, there are multiples being worshiped.
If I am offended , matters not at all. If God is offended ,it matters a lot . That will be between God and the artist.
Think of the snipers target this way. If he is an innocent kid Jesus will take care of him.
The fact that some “god” would be an invisible being whose job is to take offense is extremely bizarre to consider.
Civilization cannot withstand its fools. Those who cannot understand why both these images are destructive –destructive at a deep, fundamental level–are unable to be anything other than part of the disease that is killing us.
Asking if the viewer finds this ‘offensive’ is a waste of time. One is ‘offended’ by violations of societal expectations concerning our assumptions governing polite interaction. You can easily be offended by someone pointing out your weight problem by calling you Wide Load in a business meeting. To use the word ‘offended’ in this context betrays a misunderstanding of the level of destruction this tiresome, ego-driven ‘edginess ‘ rains down upon our heads.
Man has a spiritual nature that requires feeding. When every impulse towards the Divine is trampled and profaned for cheap laughs Man begins to sicken and die, just as he would if deprived of all physical sustenance. This kind of blasphemy is a sign of advanced decay, a sign that one is surrounded by barbarians puzzled and made violently impatient by the vestiges of Truth and Beauty they stumble over in their mad dash to sack the city of its worthless trinkets and sparkly baubles.
This is not about Christianity per se. Whether or not Christianity is ultimately true is irrelevant in this context. ALL MEN need an outlet for the Divine urge. In functioning societies, where blasphemy of this kind is met with severe punishment, people still enjoy the benefits of social cohesion and shared purpose that cannot exist in this diseased carnival we live in today. This is why the Muslim world is winning at the moment–they are united by a shared vision of the Divine. It unites them in a way the Radical Humanists of the West cannot understand or emulate.
Instead, atomized buffoons, desperate for the adulation they see heaped on the morons capering on their TV sets, compete with one another to see who can render Life the cheapest and most meaningless. Some of them then go on to opine about the host of pathologies this attitude must and will engender.
Blasphemy, like gluttony and homosexuality, is one of those sins that demonstrably destroy the lives of those who participate in it. It’s a real shame that (((those))) who use it to destroy our civilization pretend that it’s dissemination must be protected as ‘free speech’, making dictatorship inevitable for anyone who doesn’t choose to live in a sewer with people who have traded their humanity for the purposes of gaining the good opinion of parasites who hate them.
“Asking if the viewer finds this ‘offensive’ is a waste of time. ”
Why? Because you are only interested in YOUR own opinion?
What is blasphemy to you is art to someone else. That was the whole point of the question.
You need to lighten up, Francis.
No. Because it is a waste of time. I thought I said?
Because the question betrays your inability to understand beneath the very surface level of the topic.
As an example: Your tell your shrink you caught your wife in bed with another man, and your shrink says,” What color were his boxer shorts? ”
He’s missed the point. Utterly. And now he’s wasting your time.
See?
“Because the question betrays your inability to understand beneath the very surface level of the topic.”
You know virtually nothing about me. As such, your conclusion about my inability to understand is fatally flawed. I completely understand the concept of blasphemy … since God is pretty much obsessed with the concept in both Testaments which, of course, filters down to a multitude of Believers. Yup, I do “get it”.
One other consideration ….. sometimes I might ask a question just to stir up some shit …. and to read and greatly enjoy the hysterical rantings of people such as yourself.
Have a Blessed Day.
It is not the art or the artist. It is the Christian and how the Christians handles slights. Did Paul not say turn the other cheek? In this case, that’s what you do. They are trying to get a rise out of you. Why take the bait? Why should a peace-loving person and follower of Christ be concerned? Jesus was the Prince of Peace. Try to be like him.
Blasphemy is a Heavenly matter. It is talked about in scripture. Let God sort the wheat from the chafe according to his laws on Judgment Day. There will be evil people until the end of time. You’re job is to show your Christian nature to all and instruct in the ways of the Lord to all that will listen. God determines who will hear.
Homosexuality, gluttony and other sins have been around since Adam and Eve. Didn’t God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? God will deal with things. He may use you to do it, he may use an unbeliever, he may use an army, but he will handle it. Pray and put your faith in him. You’re job as a Christian is to raise a Godly family and project your Christian influence onto as many as possible in this evil-ridden world.
You are right that man has a spiritual nature. We were put on Earth to worship God. That is are only calling. Do so. And don’t worry about the world because, as the Bible said, we are just sojourners here, waiting to return home to Heaven. That’s what you’re focus should be. If you can make a difference on Earth on behalf of the Lord, that is living as a Christian. If you die as a Christian, God will welcome you in Heaven.
Sorry, I misspelled “our.”
and you, likewise, with a very good comment, where I find agreement, Vixen. -lgr
too bad you’re not a man vic,you’d make a good preacher–
This is not about Christianity. I thought surely I had mentioned this?
Whether you profess to believe in a specific creed or sect, or whether you are agnostic or atheist, you should be able to recognize the great harm that this kind of blasphemy does to your civilization. Mature, adult minds are able to refrain from behavior that is destructive to themselves or others. This is known as Self Control, and it used to be extolled as a virtue to be emulated.
It is time for serious-minded people to heap scorn and social ostracism on people either too childish or too stupid to govern themselves or to recognize the pathology they are actively spreading.
Until Fools are made to feel SOME sort of pain for their shortsighted ignorance nothing will motivate them to stop. Would you whip a 5 year old waving a loaded gun at a picnic? If he can’t be trusted to go his way unsupervised then common sense dictates he feel Pain until he learns better. No?
This tiresome, “But I’m just posing the QUESTION!? How can we ever be sure what’s actually Blasphemous?” schtick is standard Operating Procedure for the (((Chosenites.))) Somebody has learned to ape their technique exceedingly well.
Jesus may well sort this out eventually. I grant you that. But in the meantime I am forced to live HERE, and so take some interest in calling out the rot that surrounds me.
Why are you reading this web site at all if Jesus will fix it all and you are not called upon to participate in any way?
I didn’t say you shouldn’t participate in any way, but God is the ultimate changer and decider. People like this will always exist. You can only influence those in your sphere, even if online. It starts with each individual and spreads from there. And that’s where you influence comes in.
It also doesn’t mean keeping your head in the sand and not reading news about what’s going on so your can avoid trouble and see what’s headed your way.
I vote this is best comment. It elevates the discussion while disapproving so much that is wrong with the motives behind the posting.
Remember the “art” the Piss Christ – where a crucified Christ was dunked in a big jar of piss?
I remember thinking when the “artist” has the balls to dunk a Koran in a big jar of piss and display it publicly with his name, then I would be impressed at his artistic expression. I am still waiting for that day to come around. He would have to go into everlasting hiding if he were to do that.
These “artists” are cowardly assholes. When they mock Islam, and do this shit to Mohammed, then I will be impressed. Until then, they can all blow me.
Or have a display with Jewish dolls and an easy bake oven. That wouldn’t last a New York minute in Israel.
Sub – in many countries you could go to jail for that.
In the above re the Koran and Muhammed, there are many countries where they would cut off your head.
All in all, that is a significant difference in what the reaction would be. Both positions are wrong, but if something can be considered more wrong, I suppose it would be the second.
Llpoh, I think that is why the religion that is taught to turn the other cheek will loose when going up against the other two.
Indeed.
Islam is not a religion. It’s a political entity or governance.
Hey Chief … where’s my fucken $200??
I sent it! Maybe Mrs Freud confiscated it before it reached you. Is she wearing new shoes? You just cannot trust women, you know. (Or dirty, lying Injuns.)
Stucky, your $200 is probably in the same place as my Satanic Bible, asshole.
They’re not scared of mocking Christianity because Christians are supposed to not be trouble makers, living their lives outside of such nonsense, following the laws of the lord. There are more important things to do. God sees all. Whether you believe in him or not, he is there —- watching. And God is the final decider.
Sorry aboot that Stuckenmeister
Should be answering questions:
1) No
1a) n/a
2) Even less, most times its the kids fault…
..he shoulda ducked..
I think both images were done by people just trying to raise a stink, and mostly I just try to avoid those kinds of people because they’re more concerned with raising a stink than doing anything about it.
Raising a stink is at least the first step. Maybe everybody should be raising a stink all the time…
You’re right, Onnie. They hope to rile up Christians to act in an un-Christian manner. Don’t give them the satisfaction. Show things like this don’t bother you because they are much more meaningful things in life.
Shall all the Sacred Cows be up for grabs? If not, why not?
https://www.earthlymission.com/russia-wants-bulgarians-to-stop-painting-soviet-monuments-to-look-like-american-superheroes/
Government religion and it’s icons.
That is some funny shit right there ….
On offense, nobody does it better than Hitch:
What Christopher Hitchens is doing right now
Ah Christians. Forever the milk of human kindness and getting all hot and bothered by the prospect of their betters “getting theirs”.
Hitch beat the fucking piss out of every religitard he ever debated by a country mile.
That’s a reflection of your own sick mind, not any physical reality.
Yup. Mickey prolly waxes the weasel to that picture every night, thinking about all the mean old atheists that stole his lunch money in the 3rd grade.
Christopher Hitchens: Free Speech and the Right to Offend
“Don’t take refuge in the false authority of consensus.”
It would take weeks, if not a year, I think, for the average person to be able to analyze this bit, not that I think it’s entirely accurate.. only that the challenges are valid.
“Who is the one under threat?”
Yes it’s offensive. Offensively trite. Ronald McDonald… on a cross! Wow, that’s so transgressive. As if ironically sticking “Mc” on the front of anything you want to disparage wasn’t about 50 years old.
While i find them both offensive, i dont really care.
Best comment imo…
“Civilization cannot withstand its fools. Those who cannot understand why both these images are destructive –destructive at a deep, fundamental level–are unable to be anything other than part of the disease that is killing us.
Asking if the viewer finds this ‘offensive’ is a waste of time. One is ‘offended’ by violations of societal expectations concerning our assumptions governing polite interaction. You can easily be offended by someone pointing out your weight problem by calling you Wide Load in a business meeting. To use the word ‘offended’ in this context betrays a misunderstanding of the level of destruction this tiresome, ego-driven ‘edginess ‘ rains down upon our heads.
Man has a spiritual nature that requires feeding. When every impulse towards the Divine is trampled and profaned for cheap laughs Man begins to sicken and die, just as he would if deprived of all physical sustenance. This kind of blasphemy is a sign of advanced decay, a sign that one is surrounded by barbarians puzzled and made violently impatient by the vestiges of Truth and Beauty they stumble over in their mad dash to sack the city of its worthless trinkets and sparkly baubles.
This is not about Christianity per se. Whether or not Christianity is ultimately true is irrelevant in this context. ALL MEN need an outlet for the Divine urge. In functioning societies, where blasphemy of this kind is met with severe punishment, people still enjoy the benefits of social cohesion and shared purpose that cannot exist in this diseased carnival we live in today. This is why the Muslim world is winning at the moment–they are united by a shared vision of the Divine. It unites them in a way the Radical Humanists of the West cannot understand or emulate.
Instead, atomized buffoons, desperate for the adulation they see heaped on the morons capering on their TV sets, compete with one another to see who can render Life the cheapest and most meaningless. Some of them then go on to opine about the host of pathologies this attitude must and will engender.
Blasphemy, like gluttony and homosexuality, is one of those sins that demonstrably destroy the lives of those who participate in it. It’s a real shame that (((those))) who use it to destroy our civilization pretend that it’s dissemination must be protected as ‘free speech’, making dictatorship inevitable for anyone who doesn’t choose to live in a sewer with people who have traded their humanity for the purposes of gaining the good opinion of parasites who hate them.”
That folks was a wide load word salad of bullshit. Then Donkey lays this gem…
In functioning societies, where blasphemy of this kind is met with severe punishment, people still enjoy the benefits of social cohesion and shared purpose that cannot exist in this diseased carnival we live in today. This is why the Muslim world is winning at the moment
Well folks ol’ Donkey sure got his moniker right.
Cuz only an ass can rationalize that the solution to current malaise is a theological North Korea.
Then he ends with what might just be the greatest of false equivalence.
Equating Blasphemy to gluttony and homosexuality.
It needs pointing out that this type of attitude is the fit, the form and the function of religion.
Is the reason why people can justify killing each other. Using unwavering dogma as a crutch and all in not so blind effort to Radically Dehumanize opponents. Making it far easier to shoot someone else’s kids in a street or a field. Over the Hills and Far Away.
Totally surprised this thread is on the way to 100.
Q1- Yes
Q1a-God most definitely has a sense of humor
Q2-YES
Q1: I’m not offended. God said not to make graven images. In early Christianity, an image of a person was prohibited. They used fish, palms, etc for decoration. The images of Christ on the cross, his birth place in Bethlehem, his death place in Jerusalem have become areas themselves that are worshiped rather than the Lord. Don’t fall into that trap.
Q1A: I don’t know if God has a sense of humor of not, but even if he doesn’t, he definitely would understand ours.
Q2: I find this picture highly offensive. Christianity is not attached to any government or wars, for that matter. Christianity grew outside of, and in spite of, the Roman government and the Jewish priests. “The God of War” by Joseph Judson Taylor, is a great book to read if anyone cares to inquire.