Notes on a Curious People: The Maya and Their Doings

Guest Post by Fred Reed

This is a greatly updated version of a column of some years back on an unusual and intriguing people.  Maya civilization was not 1850 Vienna, but neither was it the primitive horror lovingly imagined by the ill-mannered and barely informed of the web. 

Inasmuch America has a large population of Latin Americans, it seems to me that people, or some people, might want to know about them, and what they are, and where they came from. Most Latinos of the south are either a mixture of Spanish and Indian, or sometimes pure Indian. We have some idea of the Spaniards. They were European. But what were the Indians? What is their contribution to the great numbers of–whether you like it or not–new Americans? In particular, what are their blood lines? Are they, as insisted by web louts hostile to Mexicans, of very low IQ–83–and has their Asian blond enstupidated the Spanish? Were they horrendously primitive?

Without thinking about it, I had the entrenched idea that they were just that. I wasn’t conscious that it was either an idea or entrenched–just a fact. It didn’t occur to me that I knew virtually nothing about these  people, or that there was anything to know.

What pulled me up short was their architecture. Throughout a large region, sort of Yucatan through parts of Honduras, you find ruined cities of monumental architecture that would match most of what is found in the ancient Near East. A great deal of it is overgrown with jungle. To get to major sites like Palenque, you walk along dim  trails with unexplored walls and passageways.  But the existence of these ruins did not set well with the idea of primitive incapacity. The architecture was entirely Indian since they had no contact with Europe.

Maya city

Chiapas. Compares well with a lot of Roman monumental architecture. There are lots of these: Palenque, Tikal, Piedras Negras, Copán, Yaxchilan, Teotihuacan, Caracol, Uxmal, etc.

Maya-Condo

Chiapas. Time and the weather have not treated this building well, but it seems to me that these things must take considerable engineering talent. Phredfoto

Maya pyramid

Pyramid at Chichén Itsá. For scale, note people at lower left.

Aha! I thought with the  brilliance of one who has been hit over the head by the obvious. Something screwy is going on here. How witless can you be and engineer these things? I started poking around. And found interesting stuff. For example:

Writing

The invention of writing is among the major intellectual achievement of humanity and one that occurred at most three or four times on the  planet, and perhaps fewer. Specialists argue, idiotically in my view, over whether Chinese was or was not influenced by earlier writing. Specialists have to do something with their time. What is not arguable:

Wikipedia: “It is generally agreed that true writing of language (not only numbers) was invented independently in at least two places: Mesopotamia (specifically, ancient Sumer) around 3200 BC and Mesoamerica around 600 BC. Several Mesoamerican scripts are known, the oldest being from the Olmec or Zapotec of Mexico.”

The Maya script is logosyllabic and said to be functionally similar to Japanese, to which it is utterly unrelated. It is not “proto-writing,” but actual real writing. This was not immediately known because the script had  not been deciphered, but now about ninety percent can be read. This doesn’t help as much as might be expected since the Spanish Christians, as destructive as the Muslims of today, burned almost all Maya books–codices actually–and so almost everything we know comes from inscriptions carved on buildings. Imagine how we would look to Martians with the same problem. The book to read if interested is  Breaking the Maya Code.

Mesoamerican Mathematics

The Maya had a sophisticated base-20, positional-exponential number system, including zero. The invention of zero is regarded as major advance in mathematics.  Until Fibonacci brought zero back from the Hindu-Arab world in 1202, Europe used Roman numerals, which are horrible. I knew this, but had never thought about it. Well, it’s worth a little pondering.

In a positional number system, a number–7, say–has an absolute value–in this case unsurprisingly 7–as well as a different value depending on its position. For example, in the number 100,007, seven means, well, 7. In 100,070, its value is 70, and in 10,700, its value is 700.

“Exponential” means that each position in a number represents a different power of the base, in our case 10. Thus we have ten to the zero power equals one, to the first power, ten; squared, 100, cubed, 1000, and so on.

The Maya, using base twenty, had a similar progression, going 1, 20, 400, 8,000, 160,000 etc.. (Inevitably the choice of 20 as the base is attributed to our number of fingers and toes, though I have trouble imagining anyone actually counting on his toes.)

Neither of these ideas is obvious, or anywhere approaching obvious. Both eluded Archimedes, for example. They seem natural to us because were are steeped in them from the first grade and,  since everyone has had high school algebra, exponents seem routine. Using a thing and inventing it are very different animals. Any bright freshman can sling definite integrals; it took a Newton to invent them.

Imagine that you are a Mesoamerican Indian somewhere in Central America trying to figure out how to deal with large numbers. The fact that you are interested in large numbers suggests that you are not stupid. You have never had high-school algebra or heard of exponentiation. I cannot imagine how you would get from here to “Eureka!” (though as a Maya you probably didn’t know Greek either).

The idea, “Hey, what if I line up powers of 20, multiply them by sort of coefficients, and add them….?”–is a huge intellectual leap. So far as I can determine, it only happened twice. It never happened in Europe.

For the mathematically curious, the Maya system had a remarkable peculiarity. Number systems, or anyway all I have heard of, require a number of symbols equal to the base. For example, binary, base-2, has two symbols, 0 and 1; decimal, base-10, ten symbols 0-9; and hexadecimal, base sixteen, 0-F.  So I thought, Oh help, I’m going to have to memorize twenty symbols of some weird sort.  In fact, the Maya ran a base-20 system with only three symbols representing  0, 1, and 5. That is truly strange, but it works. If interested, the link above explains it nicely.

For the record, from The Story of Mathematics: “The importance of astronomy and calendar calculations in Mayan society required mathematics, and the Maya constructed quite early a very sophisticated number system, possibly more advanced than any other in the world at the time ….The Pre-classic Maya and their neighbors had independently developed the concept of zero by at least as early as 36 BCE, and we have evidence of their working with sums up to the hundreds of millions, and with dates so large it took several lines just to represent them. ”

Finally, the Mesoamericans  invented a base-twenty abacus that would be difficult to explain in a sentence but takes only about ten minutes to learn. It easily and precisely expresses numbers into the hundreds of millions, though it is not clear why the average Maya would want to do this.

The Meso Abacus, good for numbers to 20 to the 13th power.

Curious from a Stone Age people, which they essentially were.

Various sources assert that the Maya could perhaps add and subtract (they certainly could)  but could not multiply or divide. A problem with this theory is that only four Maya documents remain, the rest having been burned by the Spanish clergy, and societies do not carve grocery lists into monuments.

However, a densely populated, complex urban people engaged in trade with other city-states and constructing elaborate buildings would almost have to be administratively numerate. A Maya civil engineer building a wall twenty feet by thirty would have little idea how many bricks he needed unless he could multiply the number in a horizontal row by the number of rows necessary. Further, if he needed two thousand bricks and porters brought them ten at a load, he would have to divide two thousand by ten to order his material. Putting it simply, the said engineer (a) needed a functioning number system, (b) had one and so (c) probably used it.

The Wheel

Maya Wheels
It is often said that the Maya never invented the wheel. Actually they did. Hundreds of these wheeled pull-toys for children have been found. Several writers have commented that it is difficult to understand why the Maya were unable to manage the mental leap to making full-sized carts. But of course they could. Thing is, there were no animals to pull them, such as horses or donkeys. Making a mental leap to horses does not get you a horse. Well, say some, why didn’t they make wheeled carts and pull them?

Note that if men are used to pull a cart, they are pulling the weight of both the cart and the load.  In the absence of steel, a cart sturdy enough to bear much weight would involve heavy wooden beams, heavy wooden axles, and heavy wooden wheels that, being rimmed with wood, would wear out with extreme rapidity. If the cart weighed five hundred pounds, and the cargo another five hundred, then the human pushañullers would have to translate a thousand pounds per mile to deliver five hundred. Dividing the load up and having the pushapullers carry the weight individually would require much less work, and no maintenance of wheels. Do you suppose they thought of this?

Metallurgy

Many lightly read and growly web louts assert that the Maya were a Stone Age people. This lack of metals may explain why the Spanish so easily stole their gold and silver.

In fact metallurgy appeared in Latin America–which of course was not then Latin–quite early. Iron did not appear at all.

From Pre-Colombian Ecuador

Wikipedia: “South American metal working seems to have developed in the Andean region of modern Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Chile, and Argentina with gold and copper being hammered and shaped into intricate objects, particularly ornaments. Recent finds date the earliest gold work to 2155–1936 BCE. and the earliest copper work to 1432–1132 BCE. Ice core studies in Bolivia however suggest copper smelting may have begun as early as 2000 BCE.”

In South and Mesoamerica, gold, silver and copper in pure form or alloys were made  by lost-wax casting into intricate objects. In lost-wax casting, you make a wax figure–a statue, bell, or ornament perhaps. You coat it with clay, leaving small holes at top and bottom. You then pour molten metal into the top hole. The wax melts and runs out the bottom hole, leaving the metal to harden in exactly the shape of the original artifact. It is not three-D printing, but neither is it primitive.

Maya Civilization Keeps Growing

The general public knows little of the Maya and, until recently, archaeologists were not much better. This is changing. For example, some 60,000 Mayan structures, previously unknown,  were recently found in the Guatemalan rain forest.  A few snippets and link:

BBC: “Results from the research using Lidar technology, which is short for “light detection and ranging,” suggest that Central America supported an advanced civilization more akin to sophisticated cultures like ancient Greece or China….The archaeologists were struck by the “incredible defensive features,”which included walls, fortresses and moats….

“With this new data it’s no longer unreasonable to think that there were 10 to 15 million people there,” said Mr Estrada-Belli,..Another discovery that surprised archaeologists was the complex network of causeways linking all the Maya cities in the area. The raised highways, allowing easy passage even during rainy seasons, were wide enough to suggest they were heavily trafficked and used for trade…..”

To call the Maya a Stone Age people is correct if you disregard gold and silver, and deeply satisfying to web louts of twilit understanding, but a tad deceptive to those who think. These were people who invented writing, hydraulic cement, paper (as much paper-like as papyrus anyway), the wheel, the planet’s best number system at the time, elaborate water-management systems, paved roads, schools, astonishingly accurate astronomical observations, and densely populated cities requiring the organized supply of food from outlying farms. This they did as a small, almost totally isolated people in a rain forest. The Roman Empire (for example) had the advantage of intellectual and cultural contact with many contemporary and older civilizations–Greece, Persia, Phoenicians, and the Hellenistic world among others, and yet did not invent a number system. In fact Europe in its entirety did not invent one, or the wheel, or writing. Categories more instructive for analogizing civilizations might be Pre-agricultural, Agricultural, Pre-literate, and Literate.

Human Sacrifice

The Maya in the popular mind are thought to have been murdering, torturing savages given to human sacrifice. This is probably because they were in fact murdering, torturing savages given to human sacrifice. Why this is thought especially reprehensible is a mystery. The Romans sacrificed large numbers in the arena so that the public could enjoy watching them die, crucified large numbers, and poured molten lead down the throats of criminals. In the European witch hunts, sort of 1450-1750, some 500,000 were killed depending on whose numbers you accept, mostly by burning alive. The Tudors hanged criminals, cut them down still conscious, opened their abdomens and removed their bowels while still alive, and had four horses attached to their arms and legs put them into pieces. And of course everybody and his dog  put entire cities to the sword, from Joshua to Hiroshima. Despite their best efforts the Maya could not keep up with the moderns.

The Arts

MayaPot1

MayaPot2MayaPot3

The aesthetic is a matter of taste but these to my eye appear artistically respectable. The Maya of today do nothing in math and technology, but retain a fine sense for design and color.

 

Astronomy

Again from The Story of Mathematics: The Maya “were able to measure the length of the solar year to a far higher degree of accuracy than that used in Europe (their calculations produced 365.242 days, compared to the modern value of 365.242198), as well as the length of the lunar month (their estimate was 29.5308 days, compared to the modern value of 29.53059).”

Conclusion

It is well not to make more of a people than they were, but also not to make less. In their Classic Period (200-900 A.D.) the Maya were far ahead of the Nordic peoples of Europe, though they did not come close to the Greeks. (Who did?)  In the book of civilization, they belong perhaps on the same page with Egypt. The Gauls, Huns, Hittites, and Europe outside of the Roman Empire would serve as footnotes. Papua-New Guineans the Maya were not.

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26 Comments
Old Shoe
Old Shoe
January 30, 2019 8:45 pm

Fred has an acquired taste for Mexican ‘tang. Nothing wrong with that. Just stop with the bullshit “ain’t it great” accolades to primitive, barbaric cultures.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Old Shoe
January 30, 2019 9:39 pm

Shoe..
Apparently you didn’t read the article. He called you a WEBLOUT TWILIT. Then he named some real savages who vaporized cities full of Babies and Seniors.

Old Shoe
Old Shoe
  Fleabaggs
January 31, 2019 6:40 am

Your point is well taken. As I age I tend to overlook much that is obvious.
My apologies to Fred for my vulgarity and short sightedness.

PaulinNC
PaulinNC
January 30, 2019 8:45 pm

My bet is on the Ancient Aliens. Just ask Giorgio Tsoukalos.

BB
BB
  PaulinNC
January 30, 2019 9:36 pm

He writes one post that is good and then comes back with this bullshit. Just reading a little about these people ( their real history and bloodline , IQs ) will tell you they were as ass backwards as its gets. What knowledge they did have comes from Fallen Angels . Their writing and ways come right out of ” Doctrines of Demons “. This is why Mexico should be kept in Mexico. I guess ” love ” has made him as blind as a bat . What you see happening there is what will happen in southern California and other parts of the southwest .It will be a third world hellhole. This will happen right after the planned take down of our economy . I will say Mexicans ( at least the ones who have been in America for several decades ) are a much better class of people then blacks but they have a culture of their own . It’s not American and neither is their language or languages.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  BB
January 30, 2019 10:11 pm

I’ve been here for several decades and it never occurred to me that my culture is not American. I’d say my language is more American than British. I would call it So Cal English. I am also fluent in Tex-Mex and border Spanish. I say fluent, not eloquent. My Spanish is heavily supplemented by English neologisms and ghetto slang.

I’ve been having a hard time acculturating here because I am not quite sure if I should adopt the attitudes and behavior of whites who are into rap or if I should imitate soy boys, bros, jocks, bikers, truckers, surfers, cowboys, hill billies, flatlanders, urbanites, druggies, crackheads, meth heads, geeks, nerds, goths, gamers or what?

It’s hard out here for a beaner, you know?

nkit
nkit
  EL Coyote
January 30, 2019 10:27 pm

Just a suggestion: Go for the silver and turquoise extra large belt buckle and pointed toe, large quill Ostrich boots, cowboy. Yippee ki yay, outlaw..

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
January 30, 2019 9:48 pm

Good article.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
January 31, 2019 12:15 am

The ancient Mayans did some good astronomy, which is hard to understand given the cloudiness of MesoAmerica…They also had human sacrifice, but Fred points out that our civilization is big on slaughter as well…Their civilization collapsed more than a millennium ago, and one of these days we’ll join them….

Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
  pyrrhus
January 31, 2019 10:31 am

Didn’t know the Maya lived in Oregon. As for human sacrifice, I think you are confusing them with the Aztecs. BTW, the Maya are still around even if their ancient civilization is gone. The Aztecs are still around also. And the Cherokee and Choctaw. Still here. Stop worrying.
To quote I-S, “Get busy living or get busy dying.”

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
January 31, 2019 11:59 am

I am guessing it was Aztecs here in Illinois. Cahokia was supposedly the second largest city in the world and like so many cities simply disappeared. It is in the middle of nowhere today in a thinly populated region, yet one can imagine a vibrant civilization clashing with “barbarian” Iroquois Confederacy minions, perhaps even fighting wars over the rich, easily dug copper deposits around the Great Lakes.
What we don’t know surely outweighs what we think we know.

Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
  Harrington Richardson
January 31, 2019 12:16 pm

Not here, since I think I know everything and that outweighs the stuff I don’t know.

Grog
Grog
January 31, 2019 1:34 am

Wheels and carts. Wooden carts would have been too heavy… BS.
Ever see the old wood wagons and wooden hand carts at the rail stations?
They wasn’t pulled by no Clydesdale ya know?
Some Mayans wuz Kangs and some wuz slaves is my guess.
So, Mayans were early slavers?
Waaaay before Europe too.

Mark Stefannelli
Mark Stefannelli
January 31, 2019 2:55 am

I visited the Yucatan after reading Charles Mann’s book “1491”. An amazing spin on recorded precolumbian history. After reading the book and studying the Mayans I felt my entire education on precolymbian history were based on lies.
Their public works and agricultural technology put Europe to shame.

Robert (QSLV)
Robert (QSLV)
  Mark Stefannelli
January 31, 2019 10:35 am

True but the Spaniards killed all the High I.Q. upper class and rulers. Some of the slave class survived and were diluted by Spanish and African blood. That’s why the Cities rotted in the jungle and the culture never recovered.

Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
  Robert (QSLV)
January 31, 2019 11:16 am

Once again, panther brain, you are confusing the Maya with the Aztecs. The Maya were long gone by the time the Spaniards got to the new world. Her’s a question, doofus, what modern country were the remains of the Inca found in?

Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
  Mark Stefannelli
January 31, 2019 11:18 am
Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
  Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
January 31, 2019 11:19 am
ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
January 31, 2019 5:13 am

This guy didn’t do much justice to their ‘sacred’ knowledge, a short quote from the book Apollyon Rising 2012, by Thomas Horn:

“Another connection between Brumidi’s prophetic Stone of the Sun depiction and Freemasonry can be seen in the serpent coiled around the sacred fire, toward which Montezuma’s left hand intentionally gestures. The sacred fire was connected to the seven-star Pleiades (Tianquiztli, the “gathering place”) by the Aztecs, and represented the final year in a fifty-two-year cycle called “calendar round”, which ended when the Pleiades crossed the fifth cardinal point at midnight that year. At this time, the Aztecs would let the fires go out and conduct the “dance of the new fire” to start the cycle again. When the priests lit the new “sacred fire” as well as the hearth fires, it ensured the movement of the sun (the serpent coiled around the sacred fire in Brumidi’s painting) along the precession anew. In the year 2012, not only will the Pleiades be in this zenith over Mesoamerica, but the alignment will come into full conjunction with the sun, as depicted on the freemason first degree tracing board. This sacred knowledge is why the Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacan near Mexico City also corresponds with the Pleiades. Its west side and surrounding streets are aligned directly with the setting point of the Pleiades, a configuration held in high esteem by the Maya as well. They built the Kukulcan pyramid at Chichen Itza so that during the spring and autumn equinox, at the rising and setting of the sun, a slithering, snake-like shadow representing Kukulcan (Quetzalcoatl, the plumed serpent) would cast along the north stairway to the serpent’s head at the bottom. Sixty days later, when the sun rises over the pyramid at midday, it aligns with the Pleiades again.”

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- Constantino Brumidi, born July 26, 1805 was commissioned to the “government painter” by Quartermaster General Montgomery C. Meigs, supervisor of construction over the wings and Dome of the United States Capitol. (This was immediately upon his return from a trip financed by the Jesuits to Mexico City Cathedral, where he painted a representation of the Holy Trinity.) His frieze, ‘Cortez and Montezuma at Mexican Temple’ is located in the U.S. Capitol

Dutchman
Dutchman
January 31, 2019 8:18 am

Many people don’t know that the Mayan’s had a space program.

Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
  Dutchman
January 31, 2019 12:14 pm

Unlike most people here – hi, abs gordo chao – at least you know the article is about the Maya and not the Inca or the Aztecs

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
February 1, 2019 5:30 am

what say, wiley?……..for your referral :”….Pleiades, a configuration held in high esteem by the Maya as well. They built the Kukulcan pyramid at Chichen Itza so that during the spring and autumn equinox, at the rising and setting of the sun, a slithering, snake-like shadow representing Kukulcan(Quetzalcoatl, the plumed serpent) would cast along the north stairway to the serpent’s head at the bottom. Sixty days later, when the sun rises over the pyramid at midday, it aligns with the Pleiades again.”

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum Americu-The Land of the Plumed Serpent ! Run along Wiley, don’t you have a road runner to chase? a wall to run in to ? an ACME crate to unpack?

CrashandByrne
CrashandByrne
January 31, 2019 9:36 am

The native people told the Spaniards, when they originally arrived on the continent, that OTHER BEINGS created the buildings, etc. They also taught them to grow corn and many other things. The “padres” in the missions documented this very well.

Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
Ellington Coyotington, Unassimilated
  CrashandByrne
January 31, 2019 11:24 am

Crash N. Byrne done crashed on this one.

thetruthonly
thetruthonly
January 31, 2019 1:02 pm

You forgot Tequila, chips and hot sauce. I would not rip Europeans quite so much since they invented democracy 510 BC.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 1, 2019 4:54 am

Fred Reed, I hear you trying to rise above Eurocentric notions of empire, race, and so-called civilization. I suspect from your text, “Most Latinos of the south are either a mixture of Spanish and Indian, or sometimes pure Indian,” that you are unaware that 12 million enslaved Africans were brought to Latin American compared to the 500,000 brought to North America. The contributions of those enslaved Africans to the culture and history of the Americas has and continues to be erased. I encourage you and your readers to spend time researching the history of slavery in Latin American and the Carribean.
The native populations of the Carribean and the Americas were reduced from 10 million to 10 thousand in a mere 10 years by the Spanish invasion (as the Reconquista and the Inquisition held sway in Spain), what can only be understood as a holocaust. The native populations across the Americas were further reduced by settler colonialism, another form of ethnic cleansing. We are a people of three ancestries, African, Spanish (with a shared African ancestry following 8 centuries of Moorish occupation), and Indigenous. Most of us carry only remnants of indigenous blood, a testament to the unspeakable brutality of the Spanish conquest.
I am sharing here a poem that I believe provides a glimpse of the Maya today, living and breathing in the face of oppression, racism, and grinding poverty.

TO THE WILDWOOD

Sacred Mother,
Holy Woman in Flower:
Wildwood, Sacred Pine, Holy Oak:
I’m going to build my house.
I must chop you down
and raise you up as my house post
so I’ll have a place to sleep.
I’m going to daub my walls with your body.
Don’t scold me, don’t be angry,
don’t fly off the handle, get hot under the collar.
Let us be of one heart when you give yourself to me.
Sacred Mother, Holy Coffer Where the Secrets are Kept:
I’m going to stand on your face.
I’m going to walk on you, Holy Mother Breast.
I am so poor.
I need to plaster my house with your mud, your earth.
Give me your body to make my walls
to keep the rain out, the mist, the frost, Holy Mother.
Otherwise Mother Pukuj will eat me,
Woman of the Woods will frighten me,
Monster With its Feet on Backwards will come to visit,
along with Boogey Man With a Hat Like a Griddle,
Charcoal Cruncher, Meat Stripper,
and snake, jaguar,
coyote, fox,
owl, night humming bird, bat.

Holy Mother, Sacred Wildwood, I need your tree, your oak,
so I’ll have a place to live where I’m not afraid.

—Xpetra Ernándes