For the sake of simplicity, and the purposes of this article, here is how this author defines “prophecy”; it is simply the prediction of an event which will occur in the future.
TRUMP’S VICTORIES
A quick review. For about a full year before the 2016 election we heard daily that “no way will Trump win the election!!!” ….. right up to the very day before the election, in which the experts predicted a double digit trouncing. Then for the past two years — starting literally the day Trump was sworn in — We The True People Of America have been bombarded non-stop and daily that Trump’s victory was based on fraud. Not one week has passed where The Babylonian Whore Press would announce; “BREAKING NEWS — BOMBSHELL REPORT — TRUMP IS TOAST!!“. For over 1,095 days quite literally every prophecy concerning Trump’s imminent demise has ended in utter failure for the Evil Ones doing the prophesying.
How do the minions of these False Prophets handle such failure??
JESUS’ DELAYS
This will require a longer review because there are 2,000 years of failed prophecy. err, history.
There is no doubt whatsoever that the Christians alive after the death of Jesus Christ fully expected him to return in bodily form during their own lifetimes. A couple very quick Bible references will make this clear (just skip this part if you hate Bible studies).
—–1). Jesus prophesied that when Jerusalem was “surrounded by armies” and destroyed … an event which actually happened in 70 A.D. … that desolation is “near“, and all that is a “fullfillment of ALL that had been written” before. [Luke 21]
—–2). Jesus prophesies his own suffering, death, and resurrection on the third day. Peter rebukes Jesus. But, Jesus corrects Peter’s erroneous ways and says the he will be coming with angels in glory of the Father, and also “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom” [Matthew 16, Mark 9, Luke 9]
—–3). The bottom line is that the Prophets thought Jesus was coming in their day. And so did the Apostles. After Jesus died, his disciples taught that Jesus was coming back “soon“, and not 2,000 years into the future. And the people believed in Christ’s imminent return.
For a complete list of references which teach the soon and imminent return of Jesus in his own day, please click here (creation Science Prophecy) … and you will be convinced.
—–4). Use common sense. Perhaps some brilliant theologian will come along and prove that God knows the exact date, and that that date can be proved by “rightly dividing the Word of God”. That’s a Strawman argument. I don’t really care about that!
What I care about is what the PEOPLE living at that time believed. It is inconceivable to think that the first century Christians. when reading or hearing a prophecy about Jesus’ return, that they thought to themselves; — “Oh, that prophecy is not for us. We can ignore it. It’s for people living 2,000 years from now.“. Truly, that would be preposterous. Just as many Christians alive today believe Jesus is coming back in their lifetimes, so it was for Christians 2,000 years ago who thought Jesus was coming back in their lifetime. This is just pure common sense.
For about 1,830 years the church’s teaching about Christ’s return stayed fairly uniform. But, I guess God decided that he was really going to explain more clearly the reasons for the delayed return of His Son, and so God gave us ………. John Nelson Darby. Darby gave the world “dispensationalism” which gave us; premillennialism, tribulation (pre, mid, and post), raptures, epochs, eras, replacement theology, supersessionism, Messianic Jewry, and a whole bunch of never-before-known esoteric knowledge.
It also led to an explosion of ….. date-setting. Never before in history have so many books, pamphlets, radio shows, tv shows, scholars, pastors, preachers, and people in the pew been so enamored with predicting Jesus’ return … which, of course, is always just around the corner …. even though you need an advanced math degree to figure out the ridiculously insane and complex “prophecy math”. But, regardless of the theological aspects, the question remains the same;
How do the millions of Christians react when every prediction of Jesus return has been false?
“WHEN PROPHECY FAILS”
One of the most widely referenced studies regarding Doomsday Failures was published in 1956 by psychologist Leon Festinger titled “When Prophecies Fail”. Short wiki article here.
A well written, interesting and worthwhile read which summarizes Festinger’s book can be found at the following link: When The Saucers Didn’t Come
Festinger desired to understand how people deal with information that fails to match up to their beliefs and what motivates them to resolve the conflict. So, he followed The Seekers as the predicted date came and went. Would they take the logical and rational course of action by giving up their closely held beliefs? Or, would they work to justify them even in the face of the most brutal contradiction?
Almost surely the majority of intelligent readers will immediately think of the term “cognitive dissonance”. This is an interesting term especially as its usage has increased dramatically in the past decade in an attempt to explain all the non-nonsensical thinking in today’s mixed-up crazy world ….. a term first coined by Dr. Festinger himself.
The Seekers abandoned their jobs, possessions, and even their spouses waiting for the flying saucer. Of course, neither the aliens nor the apocalypse arrived. But, the next day Martin said she received “a message” that the group “had spread so much light that God had saved the world from destruction.”
Festinger concluded that The Seeker resolved the intense conflict between reality and prophecy by seeking safety in numbers. He wrote; “If more people can be persuaded that the system of belief is correct, then clearly, it must, after all, be correct.” He surmised that rather than the group breaking up, the failed apocalypse lead to a redoubling of recruitment efforts!
His book became (and, remains) a landmark in the field of psychology. However, many other studies have looked at the same question and most of them concluded that “cognitive dissonance” alone does not answer the question sufficiently. Detractors point out that his study group was just an isolated case, the group size was quite small (under 100 people), and the group did break up within a year after the prophecy failed.
Whether Festinger was right or wrong about cognitive dissonance it turns out that the real reason why people keep believing in the face of failed prophecies is far more complex. They keep believing because …..
PROPHECIES CAN NEVER FAIL !!
Festinger failed to understand that prophecies simply cannot ever fail! The reason for this is because every prophecy is not the end result of something but, rather, just one complex part of a much bigger Belief System (BS … heh heh). There are four key aspects to a Belief System.
— First, once someone acquires a Belief System, then that BS stays with the person generally for the rest of their lives. That’s why 99.9% of Christians don’t become Jews, or 99.9% of Muslims don’t become Buddhists, and so on. A person’s BS is virtually indestructible. Nothing can dislodge it.
— Second, Belief Systems will successfully resist challenges from outsiders 99% of the time. An outsider might try to use reason and logic to focus on the accuracy of even a minor and isolated claim as a test of the group’s legitimacy. However, since the person who is part of the group already accepts the entire theology/BS in total — they will view everything an outsider says as a minor mismatch, or “of the devil”, and anything in between.
That is not to deny that occasionally a group loses a few adherents. But, these are usually the newest or least-committed adherents. Nevertheless, the vast majority never experience any cognitive dissonance. In worst case situations — where their discrepancy is painfully obvious that continued denial becomes impossible — they will simply make minor adjustments to their BS. Not only will they continue to continue carrying on … they will often feel more enriched and superior than ever.
— Third, true believers in a Belief System have mentally jury-rigged their brains to the extent that they are hard-wired whereby losing their BS becomes literally an impossible event. This is easiest to explain in the religious realm via this verse from Deuteronomy 18:21-22;
“You may say to yourselves, ‘How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?’ If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.”
Perfect! If a prophecy comes true, then it is from God. If a prophecy fails to come true, then it’s someone else’s fault but, the prophecy is still true anyway! You can’t come up with a better failsafe alibi. It is no wonder why a failed prophecy will not shake the foundations of a believer’s faith, or cause them any uncomfortable cognitive dissonance regarding their BS.
REVISE, REINTERPRET, RINSE, and REPEAT
— The fourth aspect of a Belief System is important enough to warrant it’s own section. When all else fails, a believer in a Belief System will employ the four-R’s; Revise, Reinterpret, Rinse & Repeat as often as necessary until the details of the prophecy fit the facts on the ground. This has been done hundreds of times, if not thousands, under the banner of Christianity.
—- William Miller projected the end of the world for October 1843, and twice revised the time to dates in 1844. Known as the Great Disappointment, Miller told his followers “I confess my error and acknowledge my disappointment.”. Yet, his 50,000 refused to give up their belief in the imminent second coming of Christ! More dates were set while more extreme followers said Christ actually returned … but it was a secret return!
—- In 1962 a Pentecostal group led by “Mrs. Shepard,” prophesied an imminent nuclear holocaust. The group believed, as a result of their study of the Bible, that one third of the earth would be killed in the war and that sickness would afflict the survivors. So, they built fallout shelters, stocking them with food and supplies. On July 4, approximately 135 people entered the shelters, and stayed underground for 42 days. Of course, when they emerged they were quite disappointed to see that their neighbors weren’t glowing in the dark. However, their BS remained totally intact. They said they just made a small error of interpretation. They ultimately concluded that God had been testing their faith and using them to warn a world fallen asleep.
—- It takes a 300 page book — Expecting Armageddon — to list just some of the thousands of examples of how believers handle failed prophecies … and how faith in their BS never fails.
Let’s briefly use one example to see the Revise&Reinterpret method in action.
“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” —- Matthew 16:27-28
Just prior to Jesus’ statement above, Jesus’ enemies wanted proofs and signs concerning the coming of the Kingdom. Jesus would not give them any. Then, not needing any proof, Peter proclaims that Jesus is the Christ. Jesus promises Peter the keys of the kingdom. Jesus then tells the disciples that he must go to Jerusalem, suffer, be killed, and then be raised on the third day. Peter objects. Jesus strongly rebukes Peter saying “Get behind me, Satan!“. Jesus then asks what profit is there to gain the whole world at the cost of your soul, and then promises that when he returns in glory, that he will reward each according to their works. Who will see all this? Those standing right there with him … not some people 2,000 plus years in the future!! Indeed, those standing there in Jesus’ presence will not even taste death. This is the clear and plain meaning.
Obviously, that did not happen. Therefore, it’s time to employ the revise & reinterpret strategy to explain this discrepancy:
—- R&R #1: Matthew 16:28 refers to Jesus’ transfiguration, not his second coming.
—- R&R #2: The word “generation” also translates as “race”. Jesus meant the Jewish race would not die out before he returns.
—- R&R #3: The generation which “shall not pass away” is the generation living at the time of the end times tribulation.
—- R&R #4: — Those standing there who would be alive to see him return actually refers to the Day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit descended on the church.
—- R&R #5: — All references to time (“time is near”, coming quickly”, etc.) happen on God’s time scale, not a human time scale, and are not to be taken literally. Remember … to God a thousand years is a day!
—- R&R #6: When Jesus is talking about “coming in his kingdom”, he was talking about his coming into his kingdom in ….. heaven.
—- R&R #7: We just don’t know what Jesus really meant. We’ll only know after it happens. But, one thing we know with absolute certainty; Jesus couldn’t have meant he was coming in the first century because he hasn’t come back yet and that would make him a false prophet.
Don’t miss the point I’m making. It is not to get into a theological debate. The point is to show that people will take complex and extraordinary measures to defend their BS. Capitulation in the form of admitting one might be wrong is never an option.
And please understand that such rigorous defense of BS applies to only religion, but all areas of life … especially politics. “Donald Trump is evil, a racist, and homophobic” is but one cog in a larger Belief System, and those people who choose this path will find ten thousand reason to rationalize this BS even when the evidence to support their belief is lacking.
Belief Systems are so powerful that parents will even risk the lives of their children rather than question their BS. There is currently a measles epidemic in NYC; almost 300 confirmed cases in the Orthodox Jewish areas in Brooklyn. The city passed an ordinance which imposes stiff fines ($2,000) and possible jail time for those parents who won’t immunize their children. Gitty, a 28 year old Jewish mother has five children and all of them have measles. Nevertheless, she said “God created all humans perfectly. My children are perfect and beautiful. It’s my religious belief. I will never put anything in my child to alter their immune system.” You see, some rabbis have been circulating a vaccine handbook which claims the vaccines are made from “human fetuses” and “rabbit brain” and “monkey kidney” — all of which are, naturally, anti-kosher. Of course, the rabbis are spreading lies. Gitty could confirm the lies with minimal effort. But, she is not interested in fact. Her religious Belief System is all that matters. And, if her BS causes her children to die? Oh well, it’s God’s will!
In other words, they are never wrong! Since we can’t learn anything if we’re never wrong then, sadly but expectantly, the only available option is for the hate and vitriol to continue unabated. Nay, with no moral compass to guide them and, with reason and logic rejected as filthy refuse …. the hate will only increase. This is why you can’t talk with them reasonably, or ever win points on your arguments, or ever find a reasonable compromise.
BUT WE ARE ALL AFFLICTED
You may be thinking that I view believers (in Trump’s winning, in Jesus’ return, or whatever) as being hopelessly deluded. Not so! I fully realize that not one of us is without our own Belief System and that, sadly, I might react just as irrationally as my opponent.
Who among us has not stubbornly stood by a disgraced politician, a corrupt political party, a failed ideology, dishonest friends, an unethical employer or even a cheating spouse, even when reality bites you in the ass regarding their obvious inconsistencies? We think Armageddon will happen sometime in the future when, in fact, most of us have lived through it many times before.
Even as much time passes, how many folks acknowledge that they were flat out wrong when facts stare them in the face? Some do, but many don’t. It seems we consider such admissions as a character flaw …. for example, when a politician acknowledges a failed prophecy he or she is branded a waffler (The voter’s message is that being consistent is more important than being real).
With such easy opportunity for a BS to be infiltrated by actual bullshit from BOTH sides, one might wonder what has kept such a diverse American society from disintegrating a long time ago. It was the concept of ….
5 UNIVERSAL CORE BELIEFS
Core Beliefs are simply fundamental beliefs which unite all Americans ….. regardless of race, religion, gender, or the dozens of other things which now divide us. In other words, there was a time when generally the entire population agreed on these things (even if there may have been differences of opinion on implementing them). I don’t know how many Core Beliefs there are; ten, twenty, thirty or more? For the sake of brevity in an already too long article, and because it will suffice to make my point, I will limit it to Five Core Beliefs …. the innermost core, if you will.
Some people would expand the definition of Core Beliefs by including constitutional principles as expressed in the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and other significant documents, speeches, and writings of the nation.
I’m not including that because I’m writing from my own unique perspective; — I am a sixty-something Boomer whose parents immigrated to America when I was five years old. In other words, I am writing about my parents’ Core Values which they brought from the Old World — (they knew little to nothing about America’s founding documents) – and which they passed on to me.
LIFE. Your individual life is pretty much meaningless under the brutal fascist/socialist/communist regimes under which my parents lived (Romania and Yugoslavia). Midnight knocks on the door could mean death … no specific reasons needed. Your life was cheap and expendable. It was whatever the government wanted it to be. America valued the life of its citizens.
LIBERTY: Liberty includes personal freedom; the right to your own opinions, hopes, desires, and choosing the life path you desire …. all with minimal government intrusion. Very few countries offered that when my parents were young but, America did.
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY: The key here is “opportunity”. They expected nothing (and got nothing) when they stepped off the boat in the harbors of New York City. They would have been downright insulted if the government offered them free stuff. They wanted no special privileges. They planned on succeeding or failing based entirely on their own merits. All they wanted was a chance. So dad, who didn’t even finish grade school became a janitor for a short while, then he painted houses for about a decade, and then he learned how to become a machinist in a tool&die shop. Mom worked as a clerk in a department store, then a bakery cashier, then cleaned other people’s houses for many years. No job was beneath them, for all hard work was honorable. They worked, worked some more, scrimped and saved, and eventually became part of the great Middle Class. Only in America!
PATRIOTISM: My parents greatly appreciated the opportunities at a second chance in life which America provided, and they made damned sure that I would follow suit. Mom didn’t speak one word of English but, became fluent within a couple years. She couldn’t wait to learn English so that she could study for the citizenship test. When I was in my young teens I belonged to the Civil Air Patrol. One year we were part of the 4th of July Parade in our town. I was lucky enough to carry the American flag. My mom embarrassed me to no end …. she literally followed me along the entire route and would shout out; “That’s my son carrying the American flag!!”.
Dad was equally patriotic. One year the NY Cosmos came to play the German National Team in Giants Stadium. It was a big deal. In those days the Cosmos would draw 70k -80k fans. The newspaper in our town did a front page story about the game, and they interviewed my dad (who was pictured on the front page). One of the questions they asked was which team he would be cheering for. Dad was almost insulted. “I’m an American!! That’s who I will support!”. Sure, they had criticisms about this country: they weren’t sheep. But, at the end of the day, boy oh boy, were they ever Proud To Be An American!!
THE AMERICAN DREAM: America was more than just a place to save for a house. The dream of America was a place where life could be better. It was truly a land of opportunity. If Americans didn’t like a former German soldier moving into their neighborhood, well … tough. If there would be discrimination, well … tough. If their lack of education could be a big hindrance, well … tough. They weren’t going to spend one ounce of energy worrying about obstacles. They believed that America would reward their hard work, thrift, and loyalty. They believed in their own abilities, and the promise of a free enterprise system.
When my parents arrived at these shores they didn’t know anything about the Declaration of Independence. But, they would have made Thomas Jefferson proud. If I had to summarize why they came to America, I would say “the pursuit of happiness”.which pretty much encompasses everything.
These Core Beliefs made America great.
Some people are wondering whether or not America is worth saving. I say emphatically “Yes!!” but with this caveat; only if We The People can reconstitute the great Core Beliefs from yesteryear. That’s the America my parents knew, and it is worth saving. Otherwise, the hell with it!! Let’s just slouch towards Armageddon. I’d honestly rather die in a hail of bullets than live in an Amerika which the disgustingly corrupt and evil Dems want to shove up our a**es. (I know .. the Repubs are much better.)
So, what went wrong?
It seems things were already falling apart when this Time magazine cover was published in October 1972. The author, Lance Morrow, was writing about the last days of the presidential race between Richard Nixon and George McGovern. He wrote the two candidates were so different from each other that they appeared to represent different ideals about America, almost as if America comprised two different countries and two different cultures.
The McGovernites, he wrote, marched to the rhythm of racial upheaval, the war, feminism, the sexual revolution … they wanted evolution, if not revolution.
The Nixonites were all about “the sense of system“; the free enterprise system, the family-unit system, the law & order system. They feared the disorders of the late ’60s, and felt a McGovern triumph would bring chaos. Harvard sociologist David Riesman wrote that the professional elites that comprised a significant source of McGovern’s base had “very little sense of that other day-to-day America“.
But, he had an interesting and surprising conclusion. Despite the issues arising from a divided America he noticed “one common denominator”;
the sophistication of the people, their earnest desire, left, right and center, to find and support the best thing for America.
If you’re too young to remember 1972, you might flat-out refuse to believe the above paragraph. After all, today differences are settled by throwing bricks at the opponent, silencing them, shaming them, demonizing them at every turn (NAZI!!!) and in some cases killing them. People are proud of their bitterness and the war-to-the-death of their “national conversations”.
But, if you’re an old guy like me who does remember 1972, then I know there is an ache in your heart right now for what once was a much more civil America … a time when you weren’t filled so often with loneliness, anger, and alienation. You wonder why you live in an America where it is not enough that contraceptives are covered in a government mandated plan: the nuns most also conform. You wonder why you live in an America where it is not enough to agree that gay marriage is legal: you are forced to bake the cake. You wonder why you live in an America where it is not enough to rely on scientific arguments regarding the environment: you must support a Green New Deal or be judged as a hater of children and worthy of extermination. My friend, you are not alone.
A BELIEF SYSTEM WHICH DIVIDES AMERICA PERMANENTLY
There was no collusion. Period.
Why are not ALL Americans jumping with joy and shouting from the mountaintop, “Rejoice!!!“. They said a terribly strong nuclear-armed foreign power controlled America. They said there were spies in Congress even to the highest level of governance. They said Trump was an agent of this nation and Trump was seeking America’s destruction. We were told Trump would be mostly solely responsible for destroying democracy, poisoning us from within, and undermining most every value cherished by Americans.
Let’s take a guess at what might have happened if Trump was found guilty of collusion. The stock market would probably take a deep dive. China, North Korea, Iran and other countries surely would exploit the chaos to our own detriment. Washington would grind to a halt (some would argue that’s a good thing). Trump would face extreme pressure to resign. And if Trump resigned or was impeached, then what? You’d get Mike Pence. Yikes!!! An ousted Trump — now a known criminal and traitor — would face indictments, and possible prison. Trump knows this. What do Presidents do when they face big troubles? The historical fact is that they declare WAR! The bigger the problem, the bigger the war. So, since this is conjecture, let’s add the possibility of Trump’s ouster resulting in nuclear war.
And then one day, after two long years, and an army of the best lawyers available, who had the power to question everyone and subpoena anything, and at a cost of many millions of dollars we find out ……. it wasn’t true!! It was almost like a replay of “Dallas” where everything was just a bad dream or, better yet, finding out your diagnosis of cancer was wrong; all you had was a common cold.
But the entire Democratic wing is not responding like that. “Trump is an evil rich white man!!” is not a Core Belief which will die easily … if ever at all. In fact, they are angrier than ever. Their belief that Trump is pure evil is now stronger than any religious belief on earth.
CNN (their own pundits and all their guests, those in politics and otherwise) proclaim the Mueller investigation answers nothing and Russian collusion is as real as ever. MSNBC claims Mueller (!!??) himself is involved in a coverup. ABC even said Mueller is a racist. The conspiracy theories get wilder by the day. The hatred against Trump (any anyone who supports him) only increases, and it now seems the Democrats have only one reason for existence: to impeach Trump (or, have him killed … don’t put it past them). Last week Time magazine wrote (you’re not going to believe this) that the Mueller investigation had nothing to do with collusion (!!!) … that this was a Trump/Republican “disinformation crusade” which made it “impossible” for Mueller to do his job , and closed the article by concluding the “reality” of the situation, which is “Trump campaign officials have committed crimes, the President has obstructed justice in plain sight, and Trump has been implicated in breaking campaign-finance law“. My conclusion is that these people are brain damaged nut jobs.
And 95% of all media dances to the tune. There is no longer any distinction between journalists and the ruling class. Instead of doing their jobs by investigating and pushing back when needed — they openly welcomed the lies and even amplified them. They call Trump stupid, buffoonish, reckless, corrupt, a liar, immoral, and a thousand other things. How ironic that they don’t know that they have become their own accusations.
If there is a moral arc in the universe then these people will be punished, preferably with very long prison time. But, deep down inside both you and I know they won’t be. Oh, sure, perhaps there will be a few who don’t escape their sins, but that’s just for show to keep us peons satisfied on their scraps of putrid meat they feed us. Almost all of them will never face any consequences. Instead, they’ll get more power, be placed on more committees, make tons more money, get executive positions somewhere in the MIC ….. all the while lecturing YOU on how deplorable you are.
They cry out that all they want is justice. But, justice is exactly what they got. What they want is revenge. They want to shut you up. And if you don’t shut up, they will destroy you, one way or another.
“A GREAT CHASM BETWEEN US”
This isn’t 1972 anymore. The Two Americas in which the majority of people shared that one common denominator “to find and support the best thing for America“ is long dead.
The Left Wing has placed their hatred for Trump above the best thing for America. Show me proof otherwise. You won’t find any.
The Left Wing hates America. They hate people like you and me. They hate the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. They hate virtue. They hate merit. They hate those of us with White Privilege. They hate cherished Core Beliefs from yesteryear.They hate freedom. They hate reason and logic. They hate all white gods, while loving whores from Babylon. They hate every damn thing which I cherish.
So. I. Hate. Them. Back. With. A. Consuming. Fire. Let those bastards burn in hell, and may the Lord let me punch their ticket.
At this point in American History we have moved past the possibility of reconciliation. Things are continually getting worse, day by day. It will not stop. Just wait until Trump wins in 2020. CNN will be offering free classes on their (crappy) website with exciting titles such as “How to build your own I.E.D” and “Best places in America to kill a Republican“. If you’re an eternal optimist type who thinks we will “work this out” you’re suffering under some kind of delusion. Snap the hell out of it before they steal your soul!
I have MY Core Belief Systems. They have THEIR Core Belief Systems. The two are not compatible. There is nothing left to talk about. The Chasm between us cannot be crossed. This can only end in Paradise for one group, and Hell for the other. And there’s little doubt about it … violence will be required.
“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.” —– Matthew 11:12
See you in Paradise!
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Folks, this labor of love is a long piece. Almost 5,200 words. Sorry about that. But I divided it in sections — highlighted in Bold and Blue. You don’t need to read every section, I guess.
Also, I used small words. So my pal bb can read it faster.
Out-fucken-standing analysis, Stuck.
On EVERY section.
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Stuck – you used small words ‘cause that is all you know.
Thanks for posting this. I know you have much on your mind, and that you still think of TBP is great.
I didn’t read the entire post to be fair. I read the first half and believe you have misinterpreted Jesus in what he was saying since as Peter later stated that no scripture should be interpreted on it’s own. There are 66 books for a reason. Some of what Jesus was saying was meant for the people he was directly speaking to, and at the same time he was speaking to all that came after to warn of the judgment to come. What effect would it have if he told them the time of his coming was 2500 years after they died? It is and was a return that is a garantee to all men and had no date attached, but an attitude. In the last days men will scoff at the thought of his coming. He will come like a thief in the night. It will be like the days of Noah. The people will be unaware of the coming judgement. Jesus himself mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah as reference to the way people will be when he comes to unleash judgement. What was their sin? Homosexuality stucky. You aren’t stupid. You know this.
Goose the nations of sodom and gomorrah were certainly committing the sin of homosexuality, but the real problem was that the strange flesh of many of the nations at that time was the hybrid offspring of
angels mating with human women as told in Genesis 6.
These are what is known as giants, or nephilim. The land of canaan was full of these people.
At some point in human history God sent His little g gods, we call them
angels, to be a blessing and help to each people group on earth.
They abused their power and corrupted mankind.
Though sin was what Christ took away by fulfilling the whole law,
and that is important and essential. The battle for a few thousand years
was against spiritual beings that had taken mans authority or deed
to the earth away.
The proto evangelium, or promise of Genesis 3 that Christ would
destroy satan was the whole battle. Until Christ came and fulfilled all things the spiritual world had the human race in bondage. Romans 16 says that Christ did crush the head of the serpent in the first century.
All bad angels are gone. Our only problem today is staring back at us
in the mirror. Christ won the victory and gave His kingdom on earth
to the saints of the most High. Thats us. We just do a very bad job of
administering this inheritance because we dont understand what
Christ did at His second coming. He fulfilled the last promise of returning to destroy the enemy.
Leviticus 18:22
“Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.” (NLT)
Leviticus 20:13
“If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.” (NLT) this is a reply to stucky. Pretty sure the coward blocked me. Thumbs up
Graham. You are incorrect so is stucky. If it was a gene pool/hybrid issue God would not have bargained with Abraham for it’s fate. Also the account is clear. Did they not refuse the daughters of Lot? Why mention that? Why in our day do they call their movement “pride”. Because it is pride. That is the sin manifested in homosexuality the practice. God hates pride above all other sin. Why? 2 fold #1. It is a direct rebellion against him by his creation. #2. It is the sin that justifies all other sin. The sin of Satan is? Pride. Sodom and Gomorrah showed their pride in their sexual behaviour. Homosexuality is the most prideful act a human being can produce because you’re going against gods design which is clearly seen in biology. “Unnatural affections”.
Very well said
Thing is, fornication & adultery are on the same list as homosexuality. Other things are listed as well. I’ll betcha that there are more ‘opposite sex sinners’ than same sex. I am convinced that homosexual sin is more gross & disgusting, but there are a lot fewer of them than opposite sex sinners.
SamFox
Hummm!
I thought stucky blocked me cause my posts weren’t showing up. He didn’t. Apologies to stucky for the accusation in the post below.
You (and probably 95% or more of other Christians) seem to know with absolute certainty that Sodom’s sin was “homosexuality”. Me? I “know” no such thing!
Your argument certainly has Scriptural support. One doesn’t have to look further than Jude 1:7;
“In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”
Clearly …. homosexuality is the sin. Or, is it? The verse does not mention homosexuality, only some kind of “sexual immorality and perversion”. It could be homosexuality. It could also be something else. I sure hope it’s not excessive choking-the-chicken.
But, there are other Scriptures (Sodom and Gomorrah are mentioned throughout the Bible). Because I don’t want to be like GCP, let’s look at just one; Ezekiel 16:49-50;
“Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom:
She and her daughters were arrogant,
overfed and unconcerned;
they did not help the poor and needy.
They were haughty and did detestable things before me.
Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.”
No mention of homosexuality. You might point to “haughty and did detestable things”. And I would respond that’s just a guess or assumption, since it could be lots of other things. Indeed, the OT is chock full of things which the Lord finds “detestable” … and most of them are not related to homosexuality.
What we DO know factually is that Ezekiel says Sodom was destroyed because they were –– “arrogant”, “overfed”, “unconcerned”, and didn’t help the “poor and needy”.
Look, the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah was great … so great that God took the extraordinary step of utterly destroying it. That’s not in question. The question is “why”? Maybe it was homosexuality …. then again, maybe not. Scripture on this issue simply isn’t as “cut and dry” as most people make it out to be.
Leviticus 18:22
“Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.”
Genesis 19:1-11
That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom. Lot was sitting there, and when he saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed with his face to the ground. “My lords,” he said, “come to my home to wash your feet, and be my guests for the night. You may then get up early in the morning and be on your way again.” “Oh no,” they replied. “We’ll just spend the night out here in the city square.” But Lot insisted, so at last, they went home with him.
Lot prepared a feast for them, complete with fresh bread made without yeast, and they ate. But before they retired for the night, all the men of Sodom, young and old, came from all over the city and surrounded the house. They shouted to Lot, “Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!”
How about all of the above? As you would say, could it be “sin”
It’s great that your article is posted so quickly. It is also disturbing that the Assange article has disappeared so fast from the front page. What happened with Assange today is very telling and will impact our few freedoms from here on out. Trump has submerged in the swamp, the truth has been covered over by the deep state and what should be examined and discussed had been relegated to the back pages. Not good.
Great post!
We are under attack, the “owners” know the plebs are mad, and are trying to divide us, so we do not turn our rage against them. Who are they? The same family dynasties that have ruled over humans for the last 500 years, plus some new money aka jp Morgan, Rockefeller, etc.
Jesus said-“Watch therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the householder had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have watched and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready; for the Son of man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”
Then he was arrested, crucified, dead and was buried.
Weeks later his disciples were frightened, hiding out in the upper room of a house behind locked doors in the middle of the night-
“A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
I submit that this would be his return, like a thief in the night. Not sure what everyone else is waiting for.
It mystifies me that anyone can read the scriptures so closely, looking for clues about the day/time of the 2nd coming, that they miss this entirely. But we were also warned about false teachers and those that would twist Jesus’ revelation to mankind.
New Revelation, just in…
The Pope just reveled his lips all over the feet of Sudanese Warlords.
Jeebus will return to referee. Any 2nd now.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pope-kisses-feet-of-south-sudans-leaders-to-encourage-peace/ar-BBVQphg?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Lol, yes, what a brainless turd. Fake-Pope Bergolio is a Marxist fraud and liar (but I repeat myself) on all things. I dont think he even knows what’s in the Bible….
It’s Amazing to me that someone could spend as much time as you have studying a subject and miss the truth of it Entirely.
LOL
No it’s not.
I don’t have the time or the patience to correct every detail of your incredibly long, somewhat sophomoric, hit piece on Christianity so I will correct you on one of the first misstatements you made and hopefully anyone unsure of their belief system will realize you are a misinformation source Stucky.
—–2). Jesus prophesies his own suffering, death, and resurrection on the third day. Peter rebukes Jesus. But, Jesus corrects Peter’s erroneous ways and says the he will be coming with angels in glory of the Father, and also “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom” [Matthew 16, Mark 9, Luke 9]
The above prophecy was fulfilled approximately 70 years later when John was caught up to Heaven to watch the most incredible movie ever shown.
Read the book of Revelation. John SAW Jesus coming in all his Glory and saw his Kingdom. Before he died.
I think you may just be too caught up in your own little Cognitive Dissonance about the Reality of your coming Judgement day. You can stick your head in the sand and find words to tickle your ears till the cows come home but it won’t help you on your date with destiny. Only Jesus can do that.
Good luck Stucky. You’re going to need it.
This post has virtually nothing to do with Christianity …. although it does talk about certain aspects of that faith in a very very narrow way.
The “Jesus Delays” Section has one main point; that believers 2000 years ago thought Jesus was coming back in their lifetime. The question in that section asks how generations of believers in the subsequent 2,000 years deal with the fact that Jesus has not returned.
If you think that’s an attack on Christianity then there’s something wrong with you.
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The “REVISE, REINTERPRET, RINSE, and REPEAT” looks at how people cope with prophecies that don’t come to pass ….. using the same Scripture as in the previous section. I listed 7 ways in which people explain the FACT that Jesus said he would return in their lifetime, but 2000 years later is still MIA. I listed 7 rationalizations commonly found in Christian writings.
If you think that’s an attack on Christianity then there’s something wrong with you.
You obviously didn’t read this paragraph … or, perhaps you did but chose to ignore it.
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You clearly missed the entire purpose of the article, which is not about religion — it only uses some Bible stuff as a reference. Nowhere do I attack Christianity.
It’s not even about cognitive dissonance. It goes beyond that. It’s amazing you missed that also. I honestly believe you are not capable of reading for comprehension.
Some of you Christians are so hyper sensitive about every aspect of your belief system that you can not tolerate ANY differences of opinion. Holy crap, man … all I said was 1st century Christians thought he was coming back in their time! And you get all bent out of shape about that?? You, sir, are the kind of man who would have burned witches at the stake in Salem.
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Speaking of burning … I know exactly why you wrote your post. You wanted to get that little jab in about what my destiny is and the luck I will need ….. the obvious implication being that I’m going to burn in hell. Your type loves judging every person who differs with you … even over the most minor of issues.
You know, I lLOVE Christian folk. Both my sons are very very fundy Christian. My neighbor loves Jesus. As does my daughter in law. I genuinely LIKE many of the Christians here, for example Uncola, many of our ladies, and now even RiNS.
Then there are “Christians” like you. Critical, judgemental, petty, and lacking in charity. And those are your good points. People like you give Christianity a bad name. I think the Muslim faith is better suited for you.
Blessings :>)
Stucky,
Please don’t misunderstand me. I wasn’t trying to save you from yourself or rescue you from judgement. I was trying to expose you as a disinformation source. I’m not out to hurt your feelings or prove I’m better than you. I just want to shine some light in the darkness you are spreading.
I noticed you didn’t address my critique of one of your early points. That the Prophecy of someone seeing Jesus’ kingdom before their death already happened, i.e. John of Patmos in the vision of the Revelation. Maybe that one was too hard. Lets try another.
—–3). The bottom line is that the Prophets thought Jesus was coming in their day. And so did the Apostles. After Jesus died, his disciples taught that Jesus was coming back “soon“, and not 2,000 years into the future. And the people believed in Christ’s imminent return.
Then your reply to me;
This post has virtually nothing to do with Christianity …. although it does talk about certain aspects of that faith in a very very narrow way.
The “Jesus Delays” Section has one main point; that believers 2000 years ago thought Jesus was coming back in their lifetime. The question in that section asks how generations of believers in the subsequent 2,000 years deal with the fact that Jesus has not returned.
My response to your misinformation;
Again, another false premise. The early Christians did NOT think Jesus was coming back in their lifetime. Peter even corrected some young Christians who thought Jesus was supposed to come any minute.
2nd Peter Chapter 3
1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Savior:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Starting with verse 5 Peter admonishes those unlearned Christians in verses 1-4 for thinking Jesus should be coming back ASAP. You see, it was common knowledge among the religious Jews, including the Apostles seeing as how they were Jews, that GOD had appointed 6000 years for man to rule the earth. Then there would be a 1000 year millennial reign of Messiah.
Josephus wrote his “Antiquities” within 100 years of Jesus’ resurrection and even he quoted several Christian leaders of the time as understanding this as common belief.
In verse 8 he reminds everyone of this. For in 6 days GOD created the earth and on the 7th day he rested. the Apostles knew and taught that Mankind will have 6000 years of dominion on Earth then Messiah comes AGAIN to Rule for 1000 years.
Please don’t take this as a personal attack Stucky. Unlike your name calling, I’m offering pointed counters to your now, LESS than sophomoric, diatribe. I am a fan of Truth. Truth wins in the End. I am only taking time out of my day to hopefully counter your weak attempt to deceive those who haven’t studied this for the last 40 years like me.
Once again, I wish you luck and I reiterate, you will need it. I think you are the one Peter is talking about in verse 4.
Mister Anderson – you are just another Christian asshole. I am not trying to hurt your feelings. Just trying to expose you as the asshole you are.
Revelations is not part of most biblical writing. It is cannon only in the BA versions of the Lutheran version. John on Patmos was a raving lunatic who lived in a cave at the beach. Do you really want to have your BS based on a raving lunatic? Well yes, I guess you do.
Huh?
That book Revelations (sic) you refer to is “Revelation”. And also, the cannon (sic) you speak of is canon.
So you do want the ravings of a lunatic in a cave to be the basis of your BS. OK, that’s fine. And yes it is canon, which is also a camera company.
Yes sadly Mr. Anderson is one of the many millions of duped christians that give Jesus (Yeshua is His real name) a bad name.
Calling him an asshole isnt the solution though. He is just the victim of what Stucky is talking about in his article. Mr. Anderson has false tightly held presuppositions that he will have just as much trouble letting go of as you or I with ours.
It appears that Christ came and fulfilled all the law. He says so.
This law He fulfilled is the Mosaic law or better known as the
ten commandments. The perfect keeping of this law was the requirement back then for eternal life. Of course noone could do that, and that was the point. So God allowed belief by faith to be counted as righteousness for those pre ad 70 folks.
This whole Mosaic worship system was set up and made as a covenant with people who all lived before ad70. I have looked diligently and cant find my name in the bible. No event or person living after ad70 is the subject of the bible.
The redemption of mankind story told in the bible fully ended and was complete at ad70 or at the end of all things Mosaic.
We are now and have been in the Age to come or New Covenant Age of Messiah, which is an eternal never ending Age.
Noone after ad70 has ever been under condemnation for not keeping the Mosaic law. It applied pre Christ fulfilling all things. And it only applied to the folks He made His covenant with.
At ad 70 the scripture says there was a changing of the law and priesthood. We went from the Mosaic law to the Law of Christ.
There is noone in need of redemption from transgressing a law that doesnt apply anymore. If you were born after ad70 and I think that applies to everyone today,you are a member of the human race, then Gods grace applies to you.
The whole redemption story is about a people group God choose long ago to tell His story. We are not in the story. We simply receive the overwhelming grace and love of God as beneficiaries of what was accomplished by Christ through those people.
Salvation is of the Jews. But they were His instrument long ago.
We are under grace not law. Paul said do not sin more that grace may abound more. God forbid!!
Have great gratitude and thankfulness for your position that Christ has given you freely by loving your neighbor and keeping the Law of Christ.
Well written; Key words, “keeping the Law of Christ”. Only two things are required of us to reach heaven: Faith and Obedience. But many don’t understand the obedience part. We are to keep God/Christ’s commands as much as humanly possible, and only then does grace come into play.
It has always been hard for me to understand how so many people on this earth can live pretty much as they want as long as they are generally a good person and believe in Jesus. So here’s a thought to ponder:
Your son is in a convenient store. A robber comes in and he sees the confrontation with the clerk. So your son steps in to try and calm the situation, but instead panics the robber, and he shoots, killing your son who just stepped in the way to protect the clerk. As time goes on, your son is buried, and life seems to craw by without him in your life. The Clerk didn’t show up to the funeral, and you don’t hear from him until 8 months after the event. He comes by to give his condolences and asks if there is anything he can do. You say “why yes there is. I would like you to use any opportunity you have to tell others why you are alive, and to be a model citizen…. helping take care of the poor, loving your neighbor, don’t go sleeping around but wait until you have found the right woman to marry, don’t use foul language or drink excessively. Come by weekly to tell me about the things that have happened in the week and let me know how you and your family are, It would greatly honor my son. Is that too much to ask for him giving his young life to save yours? If you will do those things, I will consider you my son and give you his inheritance. But if that is too difficult to live like I have asked for someone who died so you can live, then you may live however you want, but you will not receive any inheritance”.
Isn’t that what God is saying to us?? He created you, gives you everything you need, yet many people who even call themselves Christians do no honor what God has commanded them to. When Christianity began to disappear from this nation, or any country on earth, the country failed. Look for the truth, feel the power of God, and follow His words.
IMO, you are confusing John’s writings in Revelation with actual events. First, John is writing to the 7 churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea. Rev 1:11
Secondly, John was having a vision, which paralleled several chapters in the book of Daniel. What he spoke of were not literal, and were written so that the churches in Asia minor would turn from their sinful or complacent ways.
There is no passage of scripture that teaches Jesus Christ will ever come again to walk on this earth. And the only passages referring to his epiphany involving earth, describe earth as passing away at his appearance.
I Thes 4:14-17 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also that are fallen asleep [e]in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are alive, that are left unto the [f]coming of the Lord, shall in no wise precede them that are fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first; 17 then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
And for those that believe Christ will reign again upon the earth, there will be no earth remaining;
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.” II Peter 3:10
My hope is that anyone study God’s word to learn the true way of salvation and His judgement.
Neo, we are living in a simulation, resistance is futile.
Stop shoving blue pills up your ass.
You’re a retard
And you are a soulless drone. Retard, meet soulless drone. Nice to make your acquaintance.
As far as the rapture goes; you can meet you own personal rapture any second of any day. Death can come any time. That should drive everyone every second to make sound choices.
Also, we must remember that the people in the 1600-1700s most likely had one book, the BIBLE. They used this book to learn to read. Imagine reading scripture every day! Wow! What a novel idea!
I’ve been waiting for a Stucky article, this one is great – as usual. I don’t hold fast to my beliefs because I’m afraid to be wrong; shit, I’ve been wrong all my life. (You wrong, you was born wrong – Black Pangloss) If there is anything I’m good at is being wrong. Fortunately for the world, I did not write the bible.
Fred was just talking about this, we believe in a planet called Mars with little proof except that we have heard that forever. The only thing different is there is no bible that prophesies such a planet.
I don’t know why people have such a hard-on for a book. I doubt folks would argue so much about the Koran.
What do you mean? The muslims have been killing each other since Mohamed’s death. They argue with swords. They argue with guns. They argue with bombs and rocks and any other weapon they can get their hands on. And all over another book.
To folks who don’t like religion stuff (even when only used as an example of a greater point);
To Christians who are easily offended, snowflakish, and can’t handle anything other than what they’ve been spoon-fed all their lives;
—- Please start reading at the “BUT WE ARE ALL AFFLICTED” section. There is no religion from that section onward.
The last sentence was not for you, I mean the folks who are vehemently, foaming at the mouth, anti-bible.
So far, I’ve been vehement without foaming.
But it’ll happen as soon as I find a religion that lights my fire like a bad 3-way.
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See Stucky.
See Stucky dig.
See Stucky dig a hole.
dig, dig, dig.
Stucky digs a big hole.
big, big, big.
Stucky digs out of hole.
Ha, ha, ha.
Stucky, everything is religeous. Your belief system is your religion.
All education is religeous. Any belief system , thought system, worldview is thoroughly religeous and an imposition of that particular
morality. That we are all also afflicted with.
Human Action is religion.
The majority of the modern professing christians do not understand
the Gospel nor do they understand the message of their Saviour.
The modern church is stuck in the first century and before, living with
one foot in the old covenant and one foot in the new covenant.
This doesnt mean that the God of the ancient hebrew people is not
the genuine creator of the universe. It means that humans have confused the message.
The recent dispensational paradigm stucky speaks of is the cause.
Zionism is the ultimate suppression of free speech ever conceived of.
The Black Lives Matter Crowd wants the same special status.
Zionism has so shut the mouths of modern christians that they cant
read their on scriptures without placing them in the recent context of
the idea that some group of people today are the direct descendants
of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and more sacred than the rest of us.
Therefore they cannot conceive of anything but a visible bodily return of Christ. And since that hasnt happened, they weave intricate explanations of what scripture says, in every other context except the
correct context. First Century Ancient Near East Palestine.
Acts 1:9 trumps all other scripture. All sound hermeneutics go out
the window. Tightly held preconceived presuppositions allow only a visible bodily return.
Christ literally disappeared out of their sight. But there is a strong
possible option that His lifting up may have been an exaltation lifting up and not a literal floating ascension.
One verse skews the understanding of a vast amount of clear scripture.
Maybe just maybe Christs return was as God the Father always came
down in the old testament.
But its hard to talk to people that are set in their ways. As this articles
intended subject teaches. Most people live in a echo chamber. We love to be around people who think like us. Who parrot our belief system.
It makes us comfortable.
There is a sound consistent explanation of scripture that uses logic,reason and sound hermeneutics that clearly makes every promise of Christs having come true long ago, when He said it would happen.
Its the character and nature of His parousia that is so misunderstood.
And the reality that that coming inaugurated. The cancellation of the
law of Moses as to condemnation of the human race. The accuser is
defeated and the standard by which he accused has been replaced by the Law of Christ. Happy are those doing His Law!!
Love, Joy, Peace,Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness, Self-Control, against such things there is no law.
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
I dont care what you believe, if your BS doesnt like the law of Christ
then something is wrong with you.
Some say do no harm. Thats really what the ten commandments were about. That is a good way to live. But Christ takes it to the next level,
not only do no harm, do good and spread the love.
After receiving 3 swats across my ass (in gym class, no less), I had to write a 5000 word theme on ‘how to set an example as a freshman’ (when I got in some doodoo at skool in the ninth grade)……it took me a week ! And I counted every ‘if, and, but, with n how’ to get those 5000.
Excellent read ! I found myself agreeing with nearly ALL of it !?! Of course, I’ve had a triple dose exposure to the ‘system’ as of late, so I am a bit off balance.
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- the ‘prophecy’ on the dollar bill is certainly approaching fruition. It’s why the ’72 America had to be eliminated.
ordo, did I tell you of the time our shop teacher dispensed swats on Friday? He lined us up and called out the number of swats due you. He said you could take them on the installment plan, half now, half next time. Sounded fair. He gave you the 3 due now, not bad. He asked if you wanted to take the rest and not have to worry about them the entire week. Sure, why not. You got three rapid-fire ass-scorchers before you could even let out the first whimper. Bastard.
haha, now you have. My 8 1/2 fingered shop teacher got so mad at me one day, he just threw my wood project across the room, breaking it in pieces as it hit the concrete wall…..then the swats.
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- all because I told him I didn’t need advice about how to run a band saw from a guy missin’ fingers !
Oh, goody. Favorite swat stories.
Meridian, Mississippi, 8th grade.
Coach Trednick (defense/football), a well-known sadist, was also the algebra teacher. He had just received a new paddle from the Senior shop class and was leaning back on the front of his desk, fondling it in front of everyone.
It was an inspired piece of work; thin layers, drilled with random 1-inch holes, glued together with a screen in the middle.
Coach’s massive forearms swung it back and forth like a tennis racket, forehand, backhand, screaming like a Kamikaze about to bomb ass, “WHO wants to be the first to carve their initials in this paddle?”
“Who has the courage to take the first lick?”
After a bit of elbow nudging all around the classroom, the JV fullback, Donnie Deason, hefted his Irish bulk upright and said, “I will!”
Everybody cheered.
Donnie assumed the swat position at the side of Coach Trednick’s desk, his legs spread and braced, torso bent, hands flat on the desktop.
Coach Trednick stood behind him, gripping the paddle in both hands, looking at Donnie’s ass while tapping it like a tennis ball about to be served and then looking at the class, grinning, several times, back and forth, ass, class, ass, his grin getting bigger…
…then suddenly, taking a giant backswing, he brought the paddle whistling down and stopped an inch from Donnie’s ass.
Donnie jumped completely over Coach’s desk.
We had the whipping tree out back. Three boys right in a row. We drove my mother bonkers. Five points and a trip to the tree when dad got home. We’d disappear into the woods at four!
Catholic School in the 50’s…I was so hyper active if they would have had Ritalin then I would have been set up with a permanent IV on wheels.
So many Nun stories of serious knuckle rapping, hard double face slapping corporal punishment I still have PTND (Post Traumatic Nun Disorder).
I still can’t go to the zoo to this day…terrified of the Penguins!
Catholic school in the late sixties. My mother says she took us out, but I’m pretty sure they threw us out after we flushed lit M-80s down the toilet. Third, second and first grade! We were HORRIBLE!
My older brother was a true Alpha male. Freaking PSYCHO! He had ZERO fear. We lived in an old farmhouse with plaster walls. So one day he says to dad, “Can we spray graffiti on the walls in our room (The three of us lived in the back bedroom because the front one had no door!)” i think my brother was around 17. Dad 6’3″. Brother, 6’2″. Dad says, “OK, but I don’t want to see F-This or F-That ANYWHERE.” The three of us troop upstairs and my brother goes right to the back wall and paints “F- YOU!” in two foot high letters across the whole wall! My younger brother and I are staring at him WIDE EYED! Then he OUTLINES those letters with another color!
We hear my dad coming up the steps. He looks in the room, shakes his head and leaves. My brother is a really nice guy but the stories I could tell. He was utterly fearless.
At 13 I found myself in a sudden shoving match that erupted into a fist fight at a CYO dance at St. Mathews. The Priest (who had a serious hair lip scar and who we were all terrified of with good reason) came running over screaming as we all scattered like chickens running for their lives from a giant black diving hawk.
I hit an exit door and started to run then saw the big metal box for donated clothes with the small swinging door. With a scrambling crawl I was inside in a few seconds with my heart pounding in my chest. I reached up and stilled the little door that was still swinging just as Father Hairlip came charging out. I heard his footsteps back and forth…then nothing…then run into the parking lot…then run back…then run around the building. I stayed in there with the worn out sweaters and frayed shirts for at least fifteen minutes…then with great stealth made my escape.
Six years later I was home on leave heading to Vietnam. My Mother solemnly gave me a St. Christopher’s medal then told me she had made me a 2PM appointment at the rectory to get it blessed. Father Hairlip was no longer there but when I showed up the Priest who had taken his place…a much gentler shepherd did the blessing…looking at me with a sad face and sad eyes.
My very first combat assault was an eventful day…at the end of it my St. Christopher medal was gone…MIA…sometime during the chaos it had deserted me under fire.
I think that prior to WWII a priest would have talked to our parents and said, “Your child is a problem; BUT, we have just the place for him in our missionary in CHILE!” More than likely they would have said, “Splendind idea!”
God I miss M-80s. Nothing like a near death experience to make one a believer!
Too damn long, some of us work for a living Stucky. But I love you anyway. And thanks for offering your viewpoint and questions. Your inquisitiveness and detailed knowledge of all things religion is astounding. When is Jebus coming back? Whenever you welcome him.
Amen to that.
A welcome to the Prince of Peace is a welcome to all.
BTW: Jebus never left; He’s in Witness protection Program.
Well, I can’t begin to tell you how much I enjoyed that, Stuck. I found it very illuminating and worthwhile. In fact, it helped me to sort out some of my own thoughts on Reality TV and Movies in the Mind.
You wrote about belief systems (or “BS” – lol) for which people will take “complex and extraordinary measures” to defend; even to the point of them becoming “jury-rigged“.
Excellent terminology (whether by accident or design ?).
For me, this piece actually brought to mind a real paradox in our time – some of which I’ve also written about here before with my “Dining with Friends” and “The Persistence of Their Delusions” article regarding the guys in my “Breakfast Club”.
In fact, I watched it play out last night while seeing Fox News host Laura Ingraham discuss the William Barr “spying” acknowledgement with Dan Bongino and a Democratic Party strategist whose name escapes me now.
At the end of the segment, Dan Bongino and the Democratic Party hack both said they were friends off camera. They said they liked each other, respected each other, and actually hung out together (or very similar to that), but Dan Bongino said he could not believe how the guy supports the tyrannical-State tactics that were used against Trump. The guy said he did not, but it’s clear to anyone watching that he actually did support (if not even enable) those blatent crimes.
It reminded me of my own libtarded friends: Doctors, anesthesiologists, airline pilots, national business owners, et al, who range on the political spectrum from RINO to full-blown socialists. These people are destroying the country with their votes and belief systems that have jeopardized the future of my own offspring. Yet, when not discussing politics, we get along famously.
I’m truly convinced they believe, with all their heart, the bullshit that spews from their mouths. Personally, I would be ashamed to show my face in public given their “predictive” track records. One of the guys actually owned a “It’s Mueller Time!” t-shirt that I saw him wear on more than one occasion. No shit. I wonder where it’s at now; but I won’t ask him about it because I’m embarrassed for the guy.
Even so, they all STILL think I’m the dumbest guy in the room. They think that – while knowing I’ve not been wrong once yet. Not once. And they have been wrong every single time and at every turn, since Trump first announced his campaign for presidency.
Like I’ve said before (and as you write so eloquently above): It’s a freakin’ paradox.
How can you address cognitive dissonance when there is none?
Complex and extraordinary measures, indeed.
Thank you again for the great article. I’m going to re-read it later tonight because I think there are some definite answers (if not solutions) therein.
This is a hell of an excellent article. It may even literally be an epiphany — a glimpse into the Reality behind all Reality. It is simultaneously and paradoxically profoundly encouraging (“hey, I get it, I think I finally get it!) and profoundly discouraging (“damn, that means we’re all gonna die”).
I think the bottom line is humility. But good luck with that.
Actually, I just looked it up. “Jury-rigged” is correct. I always thought it was “jerry-rigged”. Merriam-Webster says both work.
The former is “to erect, construct, or arrange in a makeshift fashion” and the latter is “organized or constructed in a crude or improvised manner“.
Uncola-
Re: Bongino and the demonrat talking head, aka Sam Sheepdog and Ralph Wolf
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum-
Reading what Mr. Anderson wrote above one thing becomes obvious.
He lives in a place without fear of reflection
Caught in the aura of his own event horizon.
It’s a place as deep and dark and far away
As that black hole that ESA kindly showed us
Just yesterday..
What he wrote proved your point.
Wrote shit and stunk up the joint
Hilarious for sure
but not in a good way
Will write moar Stucky.. I promise..
Very timely article.
Serendipity strikes again.
Can’t right now cuz I’m drinking beer and watching hockey..
Cheers tho…
Let me assure you, everything written in this piece is by design. Maybe. lol
Uncola, thank you for the generous compliment. When my good friends here appreciate my efforts it literally MAKES MY DAY!!
You said, “I’m truly convinced they believe, with all their heart, the bullshit that spews from their mouths.” Oh, for sure!! That’s why I closed this piece with that “great chasm” quote spoken by Jesus. I would not have written that even as recently as two years ago (when Trump was elected) … as I still channeled my inner Rodney King …. yes, we can all get along!
But, no longer. I see no plausible way for reconciliation …. not when we disdain each other’s Core Values. If you, sir, or anyone else sees a way out … well, I would love to be convinced otherwise.
Thanks again. And many thanks for YOUR terrific contributions to TBP !!!
Stucky got the memo from “On High” to do a pump up El Trump article. I liked the section about your parents very much per usual.
It is quite clear that DT will be in the running in 2020. I’m guessing Israel is thrilled at the prospect. At this point , one puppet is as good as another. Thanks for the article.
My good friend from Kentucky, just because I find the Left’s rabid Trump Derangement Syndrome highly offensive and destructive, well, that does NOT mean I’m pumping up Trump.
For the record (because there are Newbies here who I do not recognize);
—1) Yes, I did vote for Trump
—2) I was initially (perhaps even the first full year) generally satisfied with Trump.
—3) I am now YUGEY disappointed in Trump.
—4) I will probably not vote in 2020. You are familiar with my mantra — “when you vote, you vote for your own demise”. I even wrote an article about it. However, I said “probably” . If the Dems actually nominate Bernie, a kneegrow from CA or Newark, Pocahontas, or some other scum Socialist … what then? I might just have to hold my nose (again) and pull the Trump lever. Maybe.
Stucky- All we really need is someone like your mom and dad who is a real American and on the side of real Americans. Yeah…. we need that like a crackhead needs a hit, but alas that is not how the real world works so like I said, one puppet is like another.
Thanks again for the hard work on the article.
Your pal, BL
Bravo Stucky. Amazingly well developed and correct on all counts. Best writer of this year on TBP.
oooooh, well let’s say equal at least to hsf, uncola and of course admin
Let’s not. Stucky is one of a kind.
“Stucky is one of a kind.
That’s EXACTLY correct!!! I have my own unique style, and I’m glad to contribute here, and that folks generally like it. That being said …
I could NEVER write as poetically beautiful insightful as HF. I could NEVER write with the clarity of factual info as Admin, nor his brand of cutting edge sarcasm as in the “30 blocks” series. Uncola comes up with ideas (and titles !!!) that I simply could NEVER come up with, and then develops them in a damned fine way.
Those are the folks ILuvCO2 mentioned …. and there are other great contributors also. That’s one of the things which makes TBP so damned wonderful —- DIVERSITY!! (Haha, that’s the first, and last, time I’ll ever use that libtard word.)
Ok, Doug, thanks. When I die, I’m leaving you my Mercedes.
Leave him your pecker track stained jockstrap, he could never fill it but he can come close to greatness.
Dam, i feel honored to even be mentioned in one your posts. Thanks so much for all you contribute here. It is much appreciated. Now go jack off to Friday fail titties, even though we are not allowed to view nipples. Imagination is everything.
FWIW, I hold a different view concerning our Lords return and I do like to keep it simple, or KISS; Keep it Simple Stucky.
After our Lords resurrection, while ascending into heaven, angels appeared to the disciples and said “why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up to you will so come in like manner as you saw Him go up into heaven.” Acts 1:11.
As for those who would ridicule my belief, I was warned about them in 1 Peter 3:3,4 “knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts and saying, “where is the promise of His coming?”
So according to the Bible, not so much Darby, the Lord will return in the same way he ascended into heaven and as a proof in the last days, many will scoff at His promised return to establish His kingdom on Earth.
I hold all who confess Jesus as their Savior dear to me and I do not judge them if their understanding of end times prophesy is different from mine, because in the end, we all are brothers and sisters who will meet our Savior and live with Him for eternity. That’s what matters.
What a great comment !
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum-
Nice work, Stuck. This could easily be split into 3 separate pieces, each worthy of a read.
By the way, Propertarians are the only ones proposing a peaceful separation of right and left. It may be the only way forward that doesn’t involve bloodshed.
FABULOUS work Sir, just fabulous. Using the examples in THE oldest book is excellent.
Best explanation of any Cult membership’s power of the human mind’s ability to grab onto and believe anything.
Jones taking a thousand poor souls to Guyana to drink poison for some mythical magical reason, and the rattlesnake worshiping church folks who do occasionally get bitten and die are a couple of favorite examples along with yours. A huge list of more examples comes to mind, but you covered it very well.
The tragedy today is the ranting of the stupid and ignorant, enabled by the internet, screaming invective’s at the “others”, for some perceived, potential political gain of more power, and stealing rights recovery.
BTW, I am most envious of your writing skills.
“and so God gave us ………. John Nelson Darby.”
He gave us Paul. 2,000 years ago. Wake up. Read past what you’ve been told.
A few “BSs” that still have followers that I question how people could still believe:
– Clif High https://www.halfpasthuman.com/
– Nancy Lieder and her Zetas http://zetatalk.com/
– The Holocaust and the pro-Israel correlary
You might want to rethink whether anti-vaxxers or pro-vaxxers are the ones promulgating BS. One thing I do know – the harder TPTB try to convince us to believe something the less likely it is to be true. They’re trying awfully hard to get us all to believe in vaccines even to the point of making it illegal not to get them. Just like they’re making it illegal to say anything against the Holocaust or Israel.
Unlike the White Queen who strived to believe 6 impossible things before breakfast I’ve been finding myself striving to question everything, while knowing that I must still have belief systems that are so ingrained that I don’t even realize that they’re there. Like the BS that the earth is a globe and we’re stuck to it by gravity, for instance. I do try to listen to the flat-earthers, but I can’t let go of the earth globe BS long enough for whatever they’re trying to say to get through.
As a German, I am not allowed to comment on that topic, telling.
By the way, the concept of vaccination is rooted in Homeopathy. You give something similar, as a cure.
Vaccines aren’t the problem. It’s some of the ingredients.
SamFox
Thank you, Stucky, I enjoyed that.
I didn’t interpret the article as being in any sense a criticism of Christianity per se. As a lifelong student of the Bible, I become more and more in awe of its mysteries, right up to God himself (itself?). Eschatology is fascinating and maddening, and I believe deliberately so. There’s little that permits a dogmatic stance, and I like that.
I got your major point, a howl against the loss of the unique nation that was America. We are still able to pretend sometimes that all will be well, but those moments are fewer and fleeting. There’s a pall of stress and depression over everything, and even the appearance of the people is evidence of the growing depravity (people not of WAL Mart included.).
I’m pretty sure there is a major spiritual-angelic/demonic battle raging over or up in the next dimension for authority over our continent or more likely the whole planet. The Bible is unequivocal about who will win, but there’s some hell to go through first. I suspect what we are experiencing is a slow descent into those hard times. Then again, it just might be my BS talking.
I am Anon.
Jesus is coming back whether we believe it or not. He is coming as the King of kings and every knee shall bow to him. Every knee.
You are dense. Stucky is discussing the rationalizations people resort to when their expectations do not coincide with current events.
1. This can’t be happening
2. Maybe tomorrow
3. I need more faith
Why do you hate Jesus? 😉
Are you talking to me bongo head?
Well writ Stucky, I could taste your loathing for the bastards in every well deserved and eloquent word you used.
Ya sure OK…? Pointless rituals and mindless superstition ! The only thing separating us from the animals .
Those proclaiming the one true path to God , Jesus , Buddha , Ohlla , Jehova or your current cosmic muffin of the day ,Run like hell and place as much distance between them and you .
Many mean well many do not still many more are full of shit !
The spiritual fluff that makes you do the right thing in your heart while avoiding what you know is the wrong thing to do should tell you all you need to know about God at work in your life !
The supreme being entity what ever your thoughts perceive that brings you comfort in the dark , I wish you well and safe journey .
There are many paths to God may yours not be to difficult !
Boat Guy, when asked about what the way was to where He was going, “Jesus said to him, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by (through) Me.”
You are free to believe what you want. Myself, I have experienced His forgiveness & love. By His Holy Spirit I & millions of others have experienced what the Christ can do because He placed the awareness of His presence in our innermost beings. That was something He said He would do. A prophecy fulfilled if you will.
I am pretty sure if Jesus were not a real man who was virgin born via the Holy Spirit, therefor sinless, who died, was entombed & rose again to life, we would not be talking about Him. Those who spread that message did so at the risk of their lives, their families & all they owned for what they knew was a lie. I very much doubt they would have spread the gospel of the Christ if they knew He was really dead. As orthodox Jews, it was big time against the “you shall not bear false witness” part of their belief system. Even several secular historians of the day mentioned Jesus.
The part of the article that brought God into it needs revision & some smoothing. It’s a bit difficult to tell it is not at least somewhat disparaging to that part of the subject matter, though I don’t think that was intentional.
SamFox
Sorry, but you can’t “immunize” anyone by vaccination. Only the probability can be lowered, sometimes. This is one reason for the need to make it mandatory!
I was born into the late GDR, I had every vacc out at the time, and I had to survive the measles, full blown, and I did.
How things work are not understood, by so called science. Just look what we get, witch crappy pictures of space, the growing elementary particle zoo, and the “models” depicting things like viruses, and life. They can’t even replace a human organ, so they gonna make us all organ donors, here in Germany. It’s coming.
And let people decide on that, please, and at least what is injected under the skin of their children!
Science is just a different system of believing, the believe in models.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
” Just wait until Trump wins in 2020″
A Prophesy?
I remember The hippies’ “The War Is Over” campaign in the late 60’s. The theory was if you believed it hard enough, it would come true. Some even SAW the Pentagon levitated a foot above the ground by demonstrators in Washington. Powerful stuff.
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Robert (QSLV)
Yea, I remember two early hippies I grew up with…after the bloom was off their flowers one died with a needle in his arm in a gas station bathroom and the other of AIDs.
Neither one got out of the 80’s alive.
I use to wander around the East Village in the mid 60’s in my mid-teens and marvel (and laugh to myself) at the number hippies bouncing around (I was a throwback)…10-12 years later I wandered around the East Village marveling at the number of zombie drug addicts staggering around.
From Far Out…to…Far Down in the drug gutter.
Excellent.
First of all, there are no failed biblical prophesies, only failed people and failed interpretation’s.
Secondly you are obviously in that first group.
Because people are often wrong does not mean the bible is not right.
Becoming jaded on biblical truth due to failed people is like hating God because some people commit horible sins.
God did not commit the horrible sins against us or misinterpret His own words, wicked or failed people did.
The bible makes it clear from Hosea 6:1&2 that God’s plan is for Jesus to return to earth 2000 years after He was rejected by the Jewish spiritual leaders when He presented Himself as their Messiah at His Palm Sunday triumphal entry during the Jewish passover week in approximately 32 or 33AD.
That means by approximately 2033AD.
The bible also makes it very clear the last seven years preceding His return will be the NWO reign of the Antichrist or false messiah and the False Prophet and of great tribulation or judgement of unbelievers by God.
Do what you will with it.
Due to the pre last 7 year rapture of Jesus true church I won’t be around to say I told you so.
You missed the point of this essay completely.
Easy for the Blind Nazi to do. What’s your excuse?
Don’t you get it, I’m a one trick pony.
Unfortunately most conservatives as well as all liberals are clueless and don’t get the trick.
In addition the only good nazi is the soup nazi. No soup for you!
This article explains why every socialist I know yearns for a totalitarian government.
Q is the way the truth and the light, and his prophets are the anons, the savior the great orange one is here and will bring salvation to us all.
Trust in the Plan
Nice story Stucky. Truth be told. Infiltration is their key. We cannot simply just take the reigns again. Our problem is we were developed to be fair and moral. We have been betrayed by those claiming to know more. Our beliefs can keep us strong, but can that be enough?
“It can’t get any worse than this!” How many times have you said that to yourself over the past two years …. only to find out that it just got worse.
A couple days ago the mooslim fuk from Minnesota said 9-11 was about “people who did something”. Yeah, that “something” is called murder. You only need to listen to the first 20 seconds.
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Not even one Demoncrat has criticized this heinous bitch. AOC defended her tweeting — “In 2018, right-wing extremists were behind almost ALL US domestic terrorist killings. Why don’t you go do something about that?”
They hate you. They hate me. They hate America.
They definitely hate America, and are promoting their hatred with gusto now.
Thanks for the good work, you put a lot of it into this, it shows.
Update on the mooslimfuk’s comment re 9-11 where the terrorists were just “some people did something”.
Yesterday, Bernie Sanders defended her;
Pocahontas also defended the mooslimfuk;
They hate me. They hate you. They hate America.
Very, very well done from one geez to another! You paint the growing divide and a principal symptom of it in stark colors that impact even the jaded, folks such as I. I’ll read this again. Kudos with the oak leaf cluster!
I am definitely late to this party, am I not? Well, I just started reading, got to your question about how modern prophets will react?
I think Sally says it all to Linus…
(I have a rock for you but I forgot to put it into anybody’s parcel. It will have to go in the next installment.)
You’re not that late … this was posted just yesterday late afternoon.
Hey, per the other day, yes– I did actually read that Gospel/Peanuts book. Bought it for my kids actually. Don’t remember a single thing about it though.
Nice video. It really is an accurate portrayal of “how modern prophets will react”. If Linus was a Democrat —> “OK, so there was no collusion. BUT TRUMP DID SOMETHING WRONG! AAARGHHHH!!”
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To Montefrio above; thanks ya old fart!
It is so good I do not have time to finish it now. My helpmeet in the garden insists on trimming dead limbs on a tree from under which he’s cleared all winter while I watched from the window. He is taking the ladder. This tree is hundreds of years old and my nagging is required to keep him from getting hardscrambled. Haha.
Seriously, Stucky, this is something I will put on my to do list as soon as that ladder goes back into the barn. It deserves the time… after all, Resurrection Sunday’s a comin’
Thanks to someone writing “Old Dogs” mine is on a short leash until he gets shaved. I found a tick on him.
Amen, sister. Oh, yes it is!
https://youtu.be/cikenKl92Og
There are two teachers of the Word that dominated my tape-library. The first is RC Sproul. The second is Tony Campolo. Combined, I can’t imagine how many hundreds of hours of bible studies that entailed.
Campolo is somewhat controversial. He leans left politically — mostly on social justice issues and supportive of homo marriage. Staunch conservatives, like Falwell, couldn’t stand him. For me, that was all the more reason to listen to him.
Your Sunday’s a comin’ comment triggered me. Below, is one of his best ever teachings — It’s Friday But Sunday’s Coming. If my recommendations hold any water, then I urge you (and other Christians) to give this guy a listen. Sure, it’s 56 minutes long, but God told me ya’ll can stay home this Sunday and listen to Tony!
I’m telling ya ….. this is a GOOOOOOD sermon!
Tony Campolo is all I needed to hear to file you in the clueless catagory
The one who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know
Psssst…. Shhhhh….. Stucky, it’s me, maggie, don’t tell.
Listen. I gotta tell you big guy, if we aren’t tuned to the same frequency, I’m at least receiving sideband harmonics.
Good to “see” you
Stucky ,you are right . There is no middle ground on the future of America. We have been betrayed by white people who are in the process of destroying the greatest wealth creating machine on this planet Earth which is America. These white people have allowed these fucking Jews to basically buy the culture institutions of our nation . From these institutions they continually attack us on every level. The greatest danger is mass third world immigration.( Funded by Jews). They are allowing these fucking creatures in every state. Once the Democrats get a lock on the white house the only option left is violence. Trump for better or worse has put this coming violence off a while longer. I see nothing but strife , confict and probably civil war. I wish I could be more positive but I know what’s coming. They hate us and I hate them with every fiber in my body. Most of my hate is for the white ruling class. They could stop this shit today but they won’t. They have allowed this to happen cause they believe in a New World Order which will be Luciferian to the core. The Bible warns us this is coming. These treasonous bastards will get their Antichrist. I hope he kills everyone of the son of a bitches. Maybe Trump will win in 2020 . Maybe .
Nice Easter sermon, Bibi.
Stuck, noticed a bit of plagiarism, watched Milo & Horowitz discuss the war on Christianity. This country was founded by White Protestants and it’s greatness was due to God’s blessings. Satan hates this country more than any other, when we see the hordes of illegals, and the “wonderful” diversity of our leaders, know that this is a supernatural attack on God’s people and as they say once TX goes blue the US is lost. No country for white people, or Christian values.
Stucky,
Outstanding effort! I loved the parts about your parents, and your conclusion about never agreeing with the Evil Fuckers towards the end.
Very well done, my sincere congratulations.
Luke 22:36, heed the advice.
OK YOU LIVE IN BABYLON ..THE LORD IS GOING TO JUDGE THIS UNGODLY NATION SOON. GET READY..After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2 With a mighty voice he shouted:
“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’[a]
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
3 For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
Warning to Escape Babylon’s Judgment
4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“‘Come out of her, my people,’[b]
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
5 for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
6 Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
7 Give her as much torment and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;[c]
I will never mourn.’
8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
Threefold Woe Over Babylon’s Fall
9 “When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
you mighty city of Babylon!
In one hour your doom has come!’
11 “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.
14 “They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your luxury and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’ 15 The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16 and cry out:
“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet,
and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!
17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’
“Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18 When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a city like this great city?’ 19 They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out:
“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
where all who had ships on the sea
became rich through her wealth!
In one hour she has been brought to ruin!’
20 “Rejoice over her, you heavens!
Rejoice, you people of God!
Rejoice, apostles and prophets!
For God has judged her
with the judgment she imposed on you.”
The Finality of Babylon’s Doom
21 Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:
“With such violence
the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
never to be found again.
22 The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters,
will never be heard in you again.
No worker of any trade
will ever be found in you again.
The sound of a millstone
will never be heard in you again.
23 The light of a lamp
will never shine in you again.
The voice of bridegroom and bride
will never be heard in you again.
Your merchants were the world’s important people.
By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.
24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”MUSIC PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND !!!
Smash is back in da house! Posting scripture to the soundtrack of Slayer. How did you escape this time?
Just KIDDING. R M I?
fter this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2 With a mighty voice he shouted:
“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’[a]
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
3 For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
Warning to Escape Babylon’s Judgment
4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“‘Come out of her, my people,’[b]
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
5 for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
6 Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
7 Give her as much torment and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;[c]
I will never mourn.’
8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
Threefold Woe Over Babylon’s Fall
9 “When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
you mighty city of Babylon!
In one hour your doom has come!’
11 “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.
14 “They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your luxury and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’ 15 The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16 and cry out:
“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet,
and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!
17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’
“Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18 When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a city like this great city?’ 19 They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out:
“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
where all who had ships on the sea
became rich through her wealth!
In one hour she has been brought to ruin!’
20 “Rejoice over her, you heavens!
Rejoice, you people of God!
Rejoice, apostles and prophets!
For God has judged her
with the judgment she imposed on you.”
The Finality of Babylon’s Doom
21 Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:
“With such violence
the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
never to be found again.
22 The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters,
will never be heard in you again.
No worker of any trade
will ever be found in you again.
The sound of a millstone
will never be heard in you again.
23 The light of a lamp
will never shine in you again.
The voice of bridegroom and bride
will never be heard in you again.
Your merchants were the world’s important people.
By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.
24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Babylon the Great Whore of scripture in the book of revelation is
apostate first century national Israel and her leadership.
Jerusalem is compared to Eygpt and Babylon when she is not doing right.
In Revelation the ultimate fate of the city where Christ was crucified was to become like all her apostate neighbors. And she was judged the most severely (great tribulation like as has never been seen nor ever will be) just like her whoring neighbors.
Christ came in the glory of His Father and destroyed those wicked ungodly men that claimed to be Jews but were of the synagogue of Satan.
Not one stone was left standing upon another.
The United States government is not Babylon of the scriptures.
But God is perfectly capable of coming down and destroying it just as He did to Jerusalem in ad70.
Maybe the Russian army, Chinese, mass immigration. All of the four horsemen are always at His disposal.
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What in the hell does Jesus got to do with Buddah and Lao Tzu and shouldn’t George Carlin be nominated for sainthood just on principle? These questions need to be answered ! As a ordained minister of The Church of the Latter Day Dudes , let me give you my line of bullshit regarding the meaning of all this. It is whatever you want it to mean.
And yet, you may be wrong. And it won’t matter.
Greetings,
What we need is a little bit of Shock & Awe. It is a spectacular display of force such that it can not be swept away in a sea of cognitive dissonance. The only way at this point to turn the tide would be to execute dozens and dozens of people to include some that are in the media.
BRilliant, great read.
I didn’t read the entire post to be fair. I read the first half and believe you have misinterpreted Jesus in what he was saying since as Peter later stated that no scripture should be interpreted on it’s own. There are 66 books for a reason. Some of what Jesus was saying was meant for the people he was directly speaking to, and at the same time he was speaking to all that came after to warn of the judgment to come. What effect would it have if he told them the time of his coming was 2500 years after they died? It is and was a return that is a garantee to all men and had no date attached, but an attitude. In the last days men will scoff at the thought of his coming. He will come like a thief in the night. It will be like the days of Noah. The people will be unaware of the coming judgement. Jesus himself mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah as reference to the way people will be when he comes to unleash judgement. What was their sin? Homosexuality stucky. You aren’t stupid. You know this.
Didn’t Goose die in Top Gun?
This is the one that laid the golden egg. Oh, yeah. Dead too.
How about simply taking Jesus at His Word. He made two promises. That
He said that if He didnt do the things He said dont believe in Him.
Promise 1. He said He would be killed, buried , and resurrected from the dead.
No believers have a problem believing this one.
Promise 2. He would return to judge the living and the dead before the normal
life span of a person living when Christ was alive. In their generation.
He did that also. The dispenstional pre mil view simply doesnt understand the
nature and character of His promised return. It was not bodily and visible.
A 5foot 6 inch jewish guy did not come visibly floating down on a cloud as
most confused christians think must happen.
Christ said He would return in the glory of His Father. God the Father always
came in the old testament by means of an agent controlled and sent by Him.
ie. a national army He sent to destroy or judge another nation.
This is exactly what happened to the nation of Israel in ad70.
When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies know that her desolation is near.
Christ sent Titus and the Roman army to destroy Jerusalem. This was His
“second coming” that is so misunderstood. His promised and fulfilled
parousia was against the apostate jewish leadership which had killed all the
prophets and apostles. It has nothing to do with literally destroying the actual
physical universe. He destroyed the Old covenant Mosaic worship system and
replaced it with the new covenant system. Period the end.
You dont have to bend the meaning of language and words.
He did exactly what He said He would.
Had not considered that until just now; excellent point
What did not happen in 70 AD proves that Preterism is false.
No Peace treaty – Dan. 9:27
No rebuilt temple & no 7 year covenant that ended sacrifices and grain offerings in the middle of it in – Daniel 9:27
No one in A.D. 70 who came in accordance with Satan with all power and signs and false wonders. -2 Thessalonians 2:9 & Revelation 13
There was no false prophet who set up an image of the Beast/Antichrist/Prince who is to come, demanding people to worship him. -Daniel 9:27 & Revelation 13:14-15
There was no mark given people in A.D. 70 that kept Christians from buying or selling unless they worshipped the Beast. – Revelation 13:16-17
Revelation was not written until A.D. 96…more than twenty years after the events of A.D. 70.
All ungodly people did not worship the beast in A.D. 70. – Revelation 13:8)
The kings of the earth did not gather their armies to battle Christ and His army in A.D. 70. – Revelation 19:19
Good article, STUCKY!
Good observation, Josh!
Dan.9:24. Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to ANOINT the most Holy.
In a nut shell, those 70 lots of 7 (Heptads/Shemittahs) = 70 x 7yrs BEFORE we get the ANOINTING of a King (Yahshua/Most Holy) as King of Kings – (See 1 Sam.9:16)
Rev.19:16. And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
When do we START the COUNTDOWN of 490 yrs?
Dan.9:25. Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the COMMANDMENT to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince …
… Google Rebuilding of Jerusalem’s walls. – There were at least 3 restoration COMMANDMENTS given.
Two were BC, and the LAST was by Sultan Suleiman, in 1533 AD. THUS, – 1533 AD + 490 yr = 2023
The LAST (70th Shebuah/Shemittah) STARTED on October the 3rd – 2016 (5777 Hebrew Calendar) – and WHEN did TRUMP appear ?
(And …just for a Joke? – The LAST – 2020 Trump administration?)
1 Corinthians 15:52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Dan.12:1. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and THERE SHALL BE A TIME OF TROUBLE, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and AT THAT time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Food for thought?
Wish I could give you 100 thumbs up!
How Revelation became part of the Bible.
1)— Many people simply do not understand how a writing became canon. They assume that the Bible was complete within a few years after Jesus’ death. That’s not how it works. In general, committees/councils debated and voted on which writings made the cut. In short, the Bible you have today was the result of a loooong process of debate and negotiation … sometimes the debates were quite vicious, and even violent. (Weird, isn’t it?)
2)— Revelation had the longest and hardest fight of any book to be recognized as inspired. Going from memory here, but I think it only passed by one or two votes. It was somewhere around 400AD when Revelation was finally recognized as inspired. (Weird, isn’t it?)
3)— How did it finally get accepted? It’s a long story. But here it is in a nutshell; Revelation was quoted by many of the early church fathers as authoritative. And that’s it. (Weird, isn’t it?)
How To Interpret Revelation
1)- It’s almost IMPOSSIBLE to understand, isn’t it? Yes, it is! That’s why it was so damned difficult to get it approved — even those early church fathers couldn’t agree on what it meant. Really. You people who claim to understand Revelation can only do so because you stand on the shoulders of others — all those hundreds (thousands?) of books which explain it to you.
2)- That raises an immediate question. Revelation means “to reveal, to uncover, to make known, etc”. Well, if no one can understand what it means, then HOW is that a Revelation when it ultimately doesn’t reveal anything … but, only confuses everything?
3)- Revelation is almost impossible to understand when you interpret the book as FUTURIST …. which interprets the prophecies as having a still-future fulfillment.
4) Revelation is incredibly easy to understand when interpreting it in a PRETERIST manner. Preterism — a Latin word meaning ‘past’ — is simply the opposite of futurism. It believes that Revelation (and other prophecies) have already been fulfilled in Christ.
I think the Preterist view of Revelation makes the most sense. Why? Because of something I harp on in this article, and consistently elsewhere over my years here; — > how did the original recipients understand what was written to THEM … and not to people living 2,000 years later.
We fall back on “original intent” all the time around here. I’m referring to America’s founding documents; the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. As the damned Libtards attack the foundation of our country, our defense most often (and, rightly so) is to go back to …. original intent of the Founders. We mock and slay those who declare our founding documents are “living documents”.
How weird, then, is it that we don’t apply the same criteria to interpreting Scripture? Futurist won’t admit it but, what they are saying is, “We don’t give a damn about early Christianty! Only modern interpretations matter.” That makes no sense to me.
If interested in more detail about Preterism ……
Stucky, Revelation and the whole bible are pieces of cake(21st century idiom) to understand when your presuppositions are mostly correct.
The hermeneutic you are referring to that the modern church has almost no understanding of nor have the majority even heard of it,
is called audience relevance.
Audience relevance asks the who, what, where, why, when, questions that any sensible person conducting an investigation about any subject would ask. The best little book on this whole view of scripture is called
Christianities Great Dilemna by Glenn Hill. His view of scripture is essentially correct in my opinion. Though we may differ in that he and even most preterists still believe salvation is belief by faith. I do not, there is no need to save anything that isnt lost. No Mosaic law as the standard of righteousness, no sin counted against us. Now do mind God has not cancelled His desire for us not to murder, steal, lie, etc.
He has not. He has simply ceased counting it against you as to your judicial standing in the court of Heaven. God treats us as priveleged children as our father. And shows infinite patience with us. Setting the example of forgiving each other” Seventy times seven times.”
And letting the new testament interpret the old is also huge. There are a vast amount of intratextual correlations in the old and new. The prophets of old knew not of what they spoke. But you can bet your sweet bippy by the time they all got to 67ad those still alive that Peter was speaking to by his second epistle knew exactly what the scriptures taught. They no longer saw as through a dark glass, but face to face.
That is a hebrew idiom for understanding fully the mystery that was hidden in all ages.
They were the audience, the book was written to them, yes we can determine absolute truth for all people for all time from that book.
But we are not part of the true story that the bible tells.
Again we get the benefit of all the hard work of Christ and the ancient near eastern christians without having to lift a finger.
Want to understand Revelation?
What I forgot to address stucky was I assume your info on canonization of scripture is correct. The length of time or the reason it was made part of the bible are really not important when you understand the whole redemption narrative and learn all the perfect correlations in scripture.
Revelation was so clear to the first century christians and was intended to be, we find it strange simply because we arent familiar with how they told stories and understood the genres of literature that
the bible employs.
In the book of Daniel the same story is told about the great and terrible day of The Lord. In fact the same story is told multiple times throughout scripture. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, it is all one story.
It is the same story. But throughout the unveiling, God progressively gives more and more info. The olivet discourse of the synoptic gospels gives a little more info. More pertinent to that audience info. Peter gets even more specific. And the whole thing builds to a crescendo with very detailed info. of the same story in revelation. Revelation is really very consistent in telling the same story. It corroborates the rest of scripture.
And besides, Yeshua claims it as His revelation. I believe that alone without forensic evidence.
Another thing you have to do also is correct the translation bias in the english bibles. Try that out for helping to clear up the message. Go to the greek original and see if some of the translators didnt switch the meanings of some words to suit there own presuppositions. The NIV translation is particularly bad on some words. But the others have it also. Example: Do word study of greek word mello. Compare how all its forms are used in different translations. Its easy with biblehub or bible gateway. Translation bias is HUGE!
Wow, Stucky; at first I had no idea where you were going and then I did and had to stop reading for a little while but came back to it and read some more and had to go deal with some stuff and came back to it and then I had to go to bed and came back to it this am and started to cook breakfast and here it is lunchtime and I haven’t eaten yet.
5 Universal Core Beliefs is poignant and precise and eloquent, paints a very clear picture of your parents; as BL said, “we need more like them like a crackhead needs a hit”.
Altogether . . . great article. I think we all suffer from CD at one point or another and resolve it (or it resolves itself) IF we are clear-thinking, right-minded humans being pragmatic. If not pragmatic, we are idiots anyway. And I don’t recall reading this in any other comments BUT it was Paul who said, in 2 Thessalonians 2 (:3-6):
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?”
Thanks for this, much food for thought!
If you do not want to start a fight don’t call My Lord a liar.
It ain’t over till it’s over.