President Trump on Charlottesville: "I've answered that question and if you look at what I said you will see that that question was answered perfectly, and I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general." pic.twitter.com/F07pO8V4pJ
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Haha, the Left has been giving Robert E Lee more strife than blackface and/or KKK hood-wearing Ralph Northam.
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Longstreet was a great general; Lee was adequate at best.
Lefties lose their shit as often as they take a breath.
Longstreet is why Gettysburg was lost.
Gettysburg was a victory
LONGSTREET – SCAPEGOAT OR CULPRIT
Did Lee order Longstreet to attack at dawn on July 2 at Gettysburg? Did Longstreet drag his feet because he disapproved? Was Longstreet’s idea for a defensive battle in Pennsylvania based on good military judgment? Was he justified in arguing for it with Lee? Was a flanking movement to the right feasible? What is Longstreet’s proper rating among Confederate generals?
https://www.historynet.com/longstreet-scapegoat-or-culprit.htm
The Longstreet Defense rests it case.
Amazing to see how quickly and completely Trump abandoned the white people who elected him. Sad.
Longstreet is credited with “We should have freed the slaves and then fired on Fort Sumter”. Friends, our True Cause was Independence from the Corrupt Northern dominated Congress that was destroying the South economically. Our cause was Just and our cause remains. My vote goes to Gen Nathan Bedford Forrest.
There were many outstanding generals on both sides. As far as Confederate:
For infantry I would have to say A. P. Hill, with a nod to Longstreet.
For cavalry I would say Nathan Bedford Forrest and a nod-tie between J. E. B. Stuart and Mosby. Both were strong in different areas.
Stonewall Jackson’s risky recon at dusk leading to his being wounded by friendly fire at Chancellorsville was the single greatest blow to the Confederate Army of the war. Strategically and tactically Jackson alone was the South’s greatest chance for victory and taking DC.
Following the amputation of his arm, he died eight days later. Lee deeply felt the loss. “He has lost his left arm, but I have lost my right arm”.
Actually, Lee lost the best part of his brain trust.
If Jeb Stuart would have stayed with Lee and not left him blind at Gettysburg and if Lee would have listened to Longstreet and not wasted so many brave lives in Picket’s charge in his ‘hey diddle diddle right up the Yankee waiting dug in cannon surround middle’…it would have been a different war.
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I hang a combined Bonnie Blue Flag / Stars and Bars Flag in my barn, along with every major Revolutionary War Flag.
It wasn’t the first Civil War it was the second Revolutionary War.
Maybe after we have at one another again and break up into regional powers the South will rise again.
If I’m still around…I will be with her.
Mark –
It’s all a choice between very capable men. I agree that Jackson would be a very strong pick.
TS,
Yep. Can you imagine what would have happened with Jackson at Gettysburg???
Mark
He most likely would have made far more coordinated and supported attacks than the piecemeal crap that went on. As such he probably would’ve carried Little Roundtop early. They almost took it as it was. That would have put serious pressure on the Union and maybe even won the battle.
Little Round Top is an engagement of Gettysburg that is part of Army lore and showcases personalities that everyone should study. I agree with the opinion Roundtop should’ve been taken early – but it wasn’t. It was the hinge of the Union flank and a critical defeat that made Joshua Chamberlain one of my big heroes.
You can talk about Jackson and Longstreet, and deservedly so, but it takes a special commitment to order tired, spent men with no ammo into a last-ditch bayonet charge into Rebels who keep coming. It’s do or die.
Some people believe in “luck”. If it’s a combination of timing, initiative, and opportunity then I agree. In war that can be everything.
Oh, I definitely agree. That was a day – a week – of heroes on both sides. It’s easy to look back and parse, but the real test is when the dust and blood are thick in your nostrils.
God bless them all, Rebels and Yankee alike. I consider them Americans – unlike the liberal Prog rabble and their socialist friends.
Ideology and values matter.
I found simple truth in this quote.
“Most firefights go by so fast that acts of bravery or cowardice are more or less spontaneous. Soldiers might live the rest of their lives regretting a decision that they don’t even remember making; they might receive a medal for doing something that was over before they even knew they were doing it.”
― Sebastian Junger, War
That was recreated amazingly well in Gods & Generals:
or Grant, he would have pursued Lee’s withdraw with everything he had. I expect somewhere between the Pennsylvania line and the Potomac, the Army of Northern Virginia would have been in a full on rout, possibly ending war sooner.
Yep, Grant was a bull dog…but if he had ever faced Jackson on an equal fighting footing with say 25,000 to 50,000 men (I think about as much as they were both leading at the time of Jackson’s death) a brilliant tactical genius like Jackson would have ‘probably’ sliced and diced Grant the slugger up…as he did every single Yankee General he ever faced.
Grant was George Foreman…Jackson was Mohammad Ali. If the Thriller in Gettysburg would have ever been held between the two it would have gone to the STONEWALL.
(However Rocky Marciano would have taken them both out…just saying).
Both were relentless fighters who saw the object of maneuver as closing aggressively on their enemy and destroying him. Both understood the value of time, force, speed (especially Jackson with speed) logistics, and intelligence…but Grant’s advantage was always with massively more men and massively more of everything else. Jackson was almost always the underdog who out maneuvered and outfought everyone he had ever faced, including multiple opponents at the same time.
If Lee’s and Jackson’s roles would have been reversed and Lee would have died before Gettysburg instead of Jackson…the South would ‘probably’ have been spared all these years of Yankee/DC tyranny.
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My case:
THE MILITARY GENIUS OF STONEWALL JACKSON
A talk by Bevin Alexander given at the Chambersburg Civil War
Seminars and Tours, Plaza Hotel, Hagerstown, Md., on July 24, 2009
“At the risk of a bit of repetition, let me conclude my remarks by summarizing the immense intellectual concepts that Stonewall Jackson possessed, for they were the only means available to the South to win. In other words, there was precisely one brain in the Confederacy that had figured out a successful strategy and successful tactics, and this brain occupied a subordinate place in the hierarchy of power.”
https://www.bevinalexander.com/commentary/military-genius-stonewall-jackson.htm
For those interested a worthy read:
SUCH TROOPS AS THESE
The genius and leadership of Stonewall Jackson
https://www.bevinalexander.com/books/general-stonewall-jackson.htm
By Bevin Alexander
Acclaimed military historian Bevin Alexander offers a fresh and cogent analysis of Stonewall Jackson’s military genius and reveals how the Civil War might have ended differently if Jackson’s strategies had been adopted.
The Civil War of 1861–65 pitted the industrial North against the agricultural South, and remains the most catastrophic conflict in terms of loss of life in American history. With triple the population and eleven times the industry, the Union had a decided advantage over the Confederacy in terms of direct conflict and conventional warfare. One general had the vision of an alternative approach that could win the War for the South—his name was Thomas J. “Stonewall” Jackson.
It was Jackson’s strategy to always strike at the Union’s vulnerabilities, not to challenge its power directly. He won a campaign against the North with a force only a quarter of the size of the Union army, and he was the first commander to recognize the overwhelming defensive power of the new rifles and cannons. With most of its military forces on the offensive in the South, the North was left virtually undefended on its own turf. Jackson believed invading the eastern states along the great industrial corridor from Baltimore to Maine could divide and cripple the Union, forcing surrender. But he failed to convince Confederate president Jefferson Davis or General Robert E. Lee of the viability of his plan.
In Such Troops as These, Bevin Alexander presents a compelling case for Stonewall Jackson as a supreme military strategist and the greatest general in American history. Fiercely dedicated to the cause of Southern independence, Jackson would not live to see the end of the War. But his military legacy lives on and finds fitting tribute in this book.
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Lee vs Grant = boxer vs brawler
The South has already risen again- and now they have most of the gun factories that the Northerners ran out of the North over their fool gun control laws.
Coalclinker,
That’s a good point about the gun factories. When Remington left NY and located to the south I did not own a Remington at the time.
I sent them an e-mail to encourage them for relocating and told them I was buying one of their guns because of it and then bought a Remington 20 gauge for my wife in support.
Urbanization creates a special kind of stupid. Here’s hoping they figure it out too late or not at all.
I read somewhere that the ONLY person ever to graduate from West Point with NO demerits, was Robert E. Lee. One way or the other, he was fighting for the most noble of causes – freedom from the tyranny of DC and the American Empire.
I bet they, those Lefties and their minions, would lose their shit aplenty should they hear the wunnerful folks from good ole Lawrence Welk doing this little ensemble number:
It’s ashame we are still basically enslaved to the same banking criminals. Got to be a way to break free from these bastards once and for all.
“The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.” – Lord Acton
100,000,000,000 +
Snowflakes crying about the reality of history.
Remember; the people bringing down statues of gallant military leaders are the same ones who want to censor your speech, murder born babies, control your internet capabilities, institute compulsory LBGTQPIBN training for children, ensure any remaining Ten Commandments are torn from courthouses, and make you have an Yzlamik compliant day, among a host of other “progressive” ideology and practices, all in the name of “dieversity” of course.
They are not “snowflakes” and should not be called such names. These are totalitarians of the worst sort and need to be called what they are: evil fucking Trotskyites.
And They want a new Red Terror.