Dancing Conspiracies

Guest Post by The Zman

I was listening to the TDS boys yesterday and they had on Ryan Dawson to talk about the latest development in the “Dancing Israelis” story. If you just put that term into your nearest google machine, you will know why this is now a hot topic in the conspiracy community. For a long time there has been a sub-group of 9/11 conspiracy people, who focused on the hundreds of Israeli nationals picked up in sweeps following the attack and the subsequent silence by the government on the issue.

Whenever I run across Ryan Dawson on a podcast, I start thinking about the structure and nature of conspiracy theories and the communities that grow up around them. It is one of those topics I have written about in the past. Dawson is a genuine outlier in the conspiracy world, as he has developed a style that is intended to conflict with the general conception of the conspiracy theorist. He’s the skeptical guy asking questions, while people like Alex Jones are nuts, who give skepticism a bad name.

There is, of course, a big difference between guys like Alex Jones and what we think of as a skeptic. For example, the official narrative of the RFK killing is less believable than most of the conspiracy theories around the JFK assassination. The official record contradicts itself and the testimony of people at the event. That’s skepticism rooted in fact. On the other hand, claiming that school shootings are staged, as Alex Jones has done, is crazy and a terrible thing to say, given that the victims are usually children.

The TDS boys talked at length about what the “dancing Israeli” thing means, in terms of 9/11, geopolitics and domestic politics. One of the things anti-anti-Semites get wrong about the anti-Semite community is the modern anti-Semite is not focused on his hatred of Jews. Instead, he is invested in what amounts to a conspiracy theory about Jews and their alleged control of the West. After all, if Kevin McDonald is right about everything, Jews are the master race, cleverly manipulating the rest of us for their own gain.

That is a different thing than what you see from counter-Semites, who think Jews are just a great model for the rest of us, but that the interests of Jews conflict with the interests of their host countries. There’s a lot of overlap, because both camps use the same humor and jargon. For anti-Semites, Shlomo is a super-intelligent super-villain, while for counter-Semites, Shlomo is just shorthand for Jews. This is another difference the anti-anti-Semites fail to grasp, when sputtering about this stuff.

There is a fair amount of research into conspiracy theories, but a lot of it suffers from the same defects as the subject matter. The people doing the research want to believe things about themselves in contrast to their environment. Belief in conspiracy theories appears to be driven by a need to rationalize events, a need for safety and as a way to find a comfortable social group. Conspiracy theories tend to create subcultures built around one or more conspiracy theories. It’s a community, not a theory.

That’s the thing that is missing about the research into this topic. The structure of the conspiracy is probably the result of the community that supports it. That is, some event occurs and the official narrative is either incomplete or unsatisfying to people who eventually coalesce around their doubt. At this point, the normal group dynamics kick in and the theory matures and grows in complexity. The members of the group reinforce the belief among one another, as group dynamics works toward a consensus.

Another interesting thing about conspiracy theories is they used to be on the fringe, but now they are mainstream. We are rapidly reaching the point where accepting the official narrative on anything is a sign of mental instability. The whole Russian collusion story that has convulsed our rulers for three years is a conspiracy theory that is every bit as weird as the 9/11 truther stuff. Israeli complicity in 9/11 sounds quite plausible compared to invisible men from the Kremlin altering the results of the election.

The fact that an actual conspiracy within the FBI tried to rig the last presidential election probably has a lot to do with the popularity of conspiracy theories among our rulers. One way to excuse the Obama administration’s domestic spying efforts is create an even more outlandish conspiracy. This allows Progressives to dismiss the real conspiracy, as small potatoes, and focus on the “real” conspiracy. In this light, the whole Russian collusion narrative is an elaborate coping mechanism.

Now, as far as my own view on the dancing Israeli stuff, I think it is odd that Israeli nationals were running moving companies in Boston and New York. I think it is odd that some of them had direct connections to Israeli intelligence. I also think it is odd that a lot of Arabs were in the moving business. I did business with these people in the late 1990’s, so I know a bit about it. I knew two former El Al air marshals, who wound up in the moving business. They were serious men back in Israel.

The fact is, Levantine politics is nothing but an endless riddle of conspiracy and intrigue that is inscrutable to occidentals. When America decided to annex this world into the empire, we imported all of the intrigue and conspiracy. The same shenanigans these people engage in over there, they started doing over here. That’s how they ended up in the US in low-barrier to entry businesses like moving companies. It was great cover, as they continued their Bronze Age game of cat and mouse with one another.

What we’re going to learn is that conspiracies and conspiracy theories are a necessary feature of multicultural societies. The Levant is the quintessential multicultural society, as it is the crossroads of the West and East. Three great religions and their off-shoots have their roots in the region. The fact that it a land of intrigue where no one ever takes anything at face value is a feature, not a bug. Creating that society in the West means creating a West that is tribal, distrustful and prone to believing outlandish conspiracies.

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Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
May 25, 2019 12:40 pm

“When you come to a fork in the road, take it.”

-Yogi Berra

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
May 25, 2019 1:02 pm

Ok, so we shouldn’t believe outlandish conspiracy theories. That’s a lotta help. /sarc

Personally, I don’t bother to try to fully develop any conspiracy theory. It would take too many lifetimes and I have stuff I gotta do. There are plenty of conspiratorial things I believe, though: the CIA probably killed JFK. Scalia, Breitbart and Michael Hastings were murdered. No one disputes that Seth Rich was murdered, but I assume it was a Clinton/Podesta/Brennan operation. William Colby was murdered. Assad hasn’t gassed his own people – at least not in the last five years. Global warming is mostly bullshit. There’s more to the Las Vegas shootings than the FBI will let on. CIA operative gone rogue? CIA operative following orders, as part of a scheme to advance gun control? Did the shooter really join ISIS? Who the hell knows?

Remember the Maine!

BB
BB
  Iska Waran
May 25, 2019 1:29 pm

Well it is amazing how many people will not use Google. You can see an interview with the 3 of the 5 dancing Israelis and one admits they were just there to FLIM the event. Why does that tell you ?
As far as Jews controlling the west …..they control the banking system and Jewish interest control 90% of the media. They control the narrative every fucking day. Look how the media is forever slandering Trump. What does that tell you ?
Sometimes I think I do better research then most of these people who write posts . Jews have also been some of the biggest mass murderers to ever Walk the face of this earth. Google to see who killed over 30 million white Russians under Stalin. See who then starved another 8 million to death in the neighboring states. It was fucking Jews.
It you want to know the real history watch ” The greatest story never told ” or Europa : the last Battle ” if the Jews that control YouTube haven’t pulled it.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  BB
May 25, 2019 1:49 pm

Then you better get used to your mouth being Shlomo’s cock holster…..the Joo’s being all powerful, super mensch and profoundly evil….an average white boy doesn’t have a chance against the Super Joo!….If you truly believed what you wrote (and we both know you are an internet poseur) then you would be leading an armed resistance to stop the Jews by any means necessary. Right? But you aren’t doing that, in fact, you just kvetch on the Interwebs bemoaning how powerful and evil the Jews are. That just makes you a pathetic cuck. All talk and no rock is not going to stop the world domination of the jew! What would you be doing if we were invaded by Russia (Red Dawn) aliens etc…..you would be fighting like your life depended on it. Why are you not doing that?

Mistico (EC)
Mistico (EC)
  BB
May 25, 2019 3:14 pm

“the Jews that control YouTube..”

There specializing now, good to know. For a while I was afraid they had a central command.

Donkey Balls
Donkey Balls
May 25, 2019 1:32 pm

Personally I don’t chase conspiracy theories around BUT, I will at least listen to the points the theorists make. Building 7 anyone?

I ran across a point made by a vegan recently (no, this isn’t a conspiracy but it points to why counter points are worth listening too). He is a doctor. Meat is supposed to be essential for muscle growth, correct? The biggest strongest land animal on the planet is the elephant. Do they eat meat? No, only plants.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Donkey Balls
May 25, 2019 1:43 pm

But on per pound basis elephants are truly weak…..they just weigh a lot! Like a 400lb fat man packs a massive punch…not because he is strong but he is just strong enough to move that mass and F =’s MxA…..

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  Martel's Hammer
May 25, 2019 4:32 pm

Eric Esch, aka “Butterbean”.
Former IBA show fighter who knocked quite a few guys on their asses – quickly. He was no weakling.

…and a fucking vegan doctor? That’s some dietary authority. Most of the vegans I’ve witnessed in life have been puny, colorless, and borderline nuts with a reasoning ability similar to a modern ProgTard.

Donkey Balls
Donkey Balls
  e.d. ott
May 26, 2019 12:33 am

e.d.,

Who said anything about Butterbean?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Donkey Balls
May 25, 2019 1:51 pm

Gorillas are vegans and they’re stronger than shit.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Iska Waran
May 27, 2019 7:27 am

Gorillas have a different digestive tract than we have. Those that are vegans have to eats tons of vegetation to survive. But not all gorillas are vegans. Some eat things like ants, termites, snails and grubs.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Donkey Balls
May 25, 2019 1:57 pm

Aha! Another one recognizes the elephant in the room. It really does not take a great deal of thinking to come to this realization. The same applies to horses, cows and many other animals who are pretty strict vegetarians. It also applies to chimps, bonobos, orangutans and the great apes. Human’s gastrointestinal tracks are designed in the same way(as the apes). We are not designed to be carnivorous.

doug
doug
  Anonymous
May 25, 2019 2:10 pm

Chimps do eat meat when they can get it. Human digestion is designed to eat a little bit of meat- bugs and small birds and scavenged red meat. It allows our larger brain to function correctly.

mygirl...maybe
mygirl...maybe
  doug
May 25, 2019 2:50 pm

we are omnivores, look at our teeth…canines don’t exist in horses…we can eat it all, plants, cows, bugs, monkey, and each other…look at the chinese, if its back faces the sun they eat it…even hindus eat dairy. true, strict vegans sans a source of b12 get sick.
i’ve seen a horse eat a pork chop and deer will nibble on carrion, mostly looking for salt…

mygirl...maybe
mygirl...maybe
  mygirl...maybe
May 25, 2019 3:00 pm

as to 9/11…i’ve always felt it was an inside job…israelis as far as i know don’t control norad…chertoff made millions, bush got iraq and the patriot act got and shredded the constitution, ushering in the police state…

Rossa
Rossa
  Anonymous
May 26, 2019 3:14 am

The hydrochloric acid in a human’s stomach has a ph of 1. Only carnivores have that. Humans are obligate carnivores, needing meat for brain function. All the rest of the non flesh diets that humans choose are based on morality (belief), not on a physiological basis.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Donkey Balls
May 25, 2019 4:13 pm

“It is generally reckoned that the total length of a carnivore’s gut is probably about five to six times the length of the animal’s body.”

Human digestive tract is approximately 30 foot in length.

You do the math.

Plenty of human beings exist on a primary diet of flesh with no ill effect. And the canine teeth.

But you eat grass if you like, after all if it’s good enough for an elephant.

Mushroom Cloud
Mushroom Cloud
  Hardscrabble Farmer
May 25, 2019 5:09 pm

I’m starting to wonder just how many paid bots/ shills are now on the platform….

Donkey Balls
Donkey Balls
  Hardscrabble Farmer
May 26, 2019 12:38 am

Scrabble,

I didn’t say I agreed with the Doctor. I read that Carl Lewis, Mike Tyson and Tony Gonzales were vegetarians though.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Donkey Balls
May 26, 2019 7:17 am

Correlation is not causation.

People can smoke, drink alcohol, eat marshmallows and drink soda pop, shoot up crank and smack, do all kinds of things and still maintain their body to some degree. It doesn’t mean it’s the proper fuels for our physiology. Meat and fish are essential to the human organism, no doubt about it.

People can choose to do what they prefer rather than what is optimal.

Rossa
Rossa
  Donkey Balls
May 26, 2019 4:25 am

The amount of vegetation required to sustain an elephant is considerable. Humans who eat nothing but vegetation have to rely predominantly on carbohydrates to get sufficient calories to meet their basal metabolic needs. Fats too as they have the highest calorific value at 9 cals per gram.

Excluding modern cultivated fruit, veg and nuts that can be eaten raw, the bulk of calories comes from grains, non animal fats and some from legumes. All of which require processing to even be digestible, sugar being an exception. Even the Chinese peasant has to boil their rice.

While humans may well have eaten some grains raw, it won’t have been anywhere near sufficient to meet their calorific needs without meat and animal fat. Fruit and veg are low in calories in comparison.

Farming is a relatively modern way of getting food in terms of the overall length of time humans have been around. Some say it’s about 20-25,000 years. The term for ancient humans is hunter-gatherer for a reason.

A bushel (60lb) of wheat produces 60lb whole wheat flour. While that is an easy task in a modern flour mill, harvesting and then hand grinding wheat to produce that amount of flour would take a very long time. A one pound loaf provides just under a thousand calories. You would probably use up a lot of those calories just processing the grain. A lot of effort for not a lot of gain.

However, humans can eat and digest raw meat. The fact that most people, even meat eaters, can’t stomach (pun intended) the idea is a learned response, not based on fact. Not that anyone wants to eat raw meat from modern ‘factory’ farms but then that’s nothing like proper grass fed.

I’ll stick to being a carnivore, thanks.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Donkey Balls
May 27, 2019 7:19 am

Lions are strong and ferocious. They eat meat, but they eat the organ meats. They leave the rest for the jackals.

Diogenes’ Dung
Diogenes’ Dung
May 25, 2019 3:27 pm

Who gives a hoot about ‘dancing’ Zionists?

9-11 set the entire Bush Clan to dancing on a pinhead and Israelis boogaloo’n is our lantern in the dark?
(Baaaahooooollshit!)

Bush ties to bin Laden haunt grim anniversary

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bin-laden-family-evacuated/

Several bin Laden family members invested millions in The Carlyle Group, a private global equity firm based in Washington, DC. The company’s senior advisor was former President George H.W. Bush. After news of the bin Laden-Bush connection became public, the elder Bush stepped down from Carlyle.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Diogenes’ Dung
May 27, 2019 7:35 am

Also, I remember reading that one of the Bush brothers was in charge on a crew that did “maintenance” on the elevators in the Twin Towers about a month before 9/11.

TC
TC
May 25, 2019 5:24 pm

Holy shit, the NFL should draft the Z-man immediately with an ability to punt like that!

niebo
niebo
May 25, 2019 6:24 pm

That is, some event occurs and the official narrative is either incomplete or unsatisfying to people who eventually coalesce around their doubt.

. . . Like that one time when somebody announced there was a ton of money that could not be tracked and the next day the place in charge of investigating it was destroyed? Yeah, conspiratorialists is crazy!

MSyzlak
MSyzlak
May 25, 2019 7:13 pm

Seemed almost on the verge of making a fucking point. Then, not so much.

I’m dumber for having read it.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219
May 25, 2019 7:17 pm

Nothing happens by chance.

BB
BB
  gatsby1219
May 25, 2019 9:07 pm

Hammer head ,I get the impression that you are liar or don’t care that know history. Being 58 years old I’m afraid I wouldn’t last long on a battle field but I can warn others about what’s coming. At least I not hiding in Montana.

Shekelface
Shekelface
May 25, 2019 11:06 pm

“Conspiracy theory “ is the term created by conspirators who were\are threatened by critical thinkers. Writer is full of it!

Scott halloween
Scott halloween
May 26, 2019 10:12 am

‘On the other hand, claiming that school shootings are staged, as Alex Jones has done, is crazy and a terrible thing to say, given that the victims are usually children.’

That’s the point.
To make it “beyond the pale” to even suggest conspiracy.
Are you suggesting that evil people would *not* kill children to further their Aims?
Who’s got the craziest conspiracy theory *now*?