Rumors of War

Guest Post by Jim Kunstler

The race to economic collapse is an international competition sparking threats and tensions summoning the specter of war. The imploding center of this collapse is that of industrial technocracy based on fossil fuels. All the nations will go through it on differing schedules. It has been playing out slowly, painfully, and deceptively — hence, my term for it: the long emergency.

Following a dumbed-down media unable to parse the delusions du jour, one might think, for instance, that the USA and China are engaged in a symbolic battle for the heavyweight championship of the world. Rather, both are freaking out at a prospective decline in activity that will make it impossible to support their current populations at even close to the levels of comfort they had lately achieved.

For China, that means very lately. Up until the turning millennium, most Chinese lived as though the twelfth century had never ended. For but two decades now, a new and quite large Chinese middle class has been driving cars around freeways, eating cheeseburgers, wearing designer blue jeans, shooting selfies at the Eiffel Tower, and even dreaming of trips to the moon. They’ve barely had time to turn decadent.

Getting to that was quite a feat. China compressed its version of the industrial revolution into a few decades, catching up to a weary, jaded West that took two hundred years achieving “modernity,” and now it is seeming to surpass us — which is the reason for so much tension and anxiety in our relations. The real news is: we’re all already in the climax of that movie. Nobody will surpass anyone.

The reason is the decline of affordable energy to run the stupendously complex systems we have come to rely on. China never had very much petroleum. They import over 10 million barrels a day now, and most of that comes from far far away, having to pass through some very hazardous sea lines like the Straits of Hormuz and Molucca. They run things mostly on coal, and they’re well past peak — and let’s not get into the ecological ramifications of what they’re still burning. Even some intelligent observers in the West think that the Chinese have made gigantic strides in alt-energy, and will soon be free of old limits, but that’s a pipe dream. They have met the same disappointments over wind and solar as we have. Alt-energy just doesn’t pencil out money-wise or physics-wise. Plus, you absolutely need fossil fuels to make it happen, even as a science project.

The US is smugly and stupidly under the impression that the “shale oil miracle” has put an end to our energy worries. That comes from a foolish nexus of wishful thinking between a harried populace, a dishonest government, and the aforementioned brain-damaged news media. We want, with all our might, to believe we can keep running the interstate highways, WalMart, Agri-Business, DisneyWorld, the US Military, and suburbia just as they are, forever. So, we spin our reassuring fantasies about “energy independence” and “Saudi America.” Meanwhile, the shale oil companies can’t make a red cent pulling that stuff out of the ground. For the moment, ultra-low interest rate loans, riding on the back of all that wishful thinking, keep the racket going and sustain America’s illusions.

The disappointment over that error-in-thinking will be epic. In fact, it already is, considering how many working-age people without work or sense of purpose are ending their lives by opioid OD in Flyover country. The hipsters of Brooklyn and Silicon Valley haven’t gotten to that point because so much of America’s diminishing capital productivity still flows into their bank accounts — enabling a sunny life of caramel cloud macchiatos, farm-to-table suppers, and sexual reassignment surgeries.

The US and China are actually more like two passengers of a sinking ship racing to swim to a single lifebuoy — which is drifting ever-beyond the reach of both desperate parties on a powerful current of history. That current is the one telling nations quite literally to mind their own business, to prepare to go their own ways, to strive somehow to become self-sufficient, to finally face the limits to growth, to simplify and downscale all their operations.

Alas, the US and China — and everybody else — will apparently be dragged kicking and screaming to those transformational recognitions. (Thus, the agonies of Brexit.)  In the meantime, we may choose to slug it out in pursuit of that chimerical world championship just because we still have means to go at it. Such a contest would certainly speed up the journey to our fated destination, and not in a good way.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
May 27, 2019 10:51 am

I think Kunstler is saying that we are going to annex Venezuela’s oil, to ensure our American dream can continue, and China is going to do the same to it’s smaller neighbors that share the south China sea, and that somehow, we are all going to go to war over this.

This may happen, eventually, but not in my lifetime, I’m pretty sure the world is not ending in 12 years, and I have about 30 left, and I just don’t see humans changing their habits in that time frame.

I give Maduro another 5 years before he has a heart attack, and then, it’s all just a matter of logistics at that point.

China will have to do the same thing to it’s neighbors, and we are not going to lift a finger to fight against them, no way.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Anonymous
May 27, 2019 10:40 pm

Annexing Venezuela’s sludgy hydrocarbons won’t accomplish anything. The US imports a net 9 million bpd, and that is going nowhere but up….

Lee A Gilkerson
Lee A Gilkerson
May 27, 2019 11:05 am

Why allow Cunt slur to soil your site. Smug idiot. Always remember, no matter how eloquent he thinks himself, he voted for the Obananation twice. TWICE. Boom mic drop.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Lee A Gilkerson
May 27, 2019 11:25 am

JHK may be smug, for all I know, but idiot is hardly accurate. What I want to know is why you feel the need to slur someone who is clearly your intellectual superior?

And, while I am at it, what combination of POTUS choices have you made over the years, and how did they turn out?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Lee A Gilkerson
May 28, 2019 1:04 am

I see it and now have to call it.

Nothing wrong with voicing a dissenting opinion – it is still a semi-free county – but for crying out loud, please refrain from profanity that makes you out to be shrill and lowbrow. So tedious and tiresome; no eloquence or class.

Of course, if you care not then lowbrow away . . .

Gator
Gator
  Lee A Gilkerson
May 28, 2019 1:18 am

I don’t agree with everything knutsler says, but he is a good writer. And if you want a website that only posts stuff you like and agree with, feel free to go start your own. I’m sure dumber people than you have done it.

And explain to me who you have been proud to vote for in your life. Only person I can say I’m proud to vote for was Ron Paul and that clearly went no where.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Lee A Gilkerson
May 28, 2019 6:54 am

Now the litmus test for an idea is which candidate garnered our vote? On that basis, we’re all idiots!

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
May 27, 2019 12:15 pm

It seems to me that the new silk road project is the future world activity. The vision entails a 70 year development. Conversely the United States has no vision for the people.If I were a young person I would be gravitating my activities toward that grand vision.

I don’t think the US will be in anymore large wars. Our young population has not the stomach for it. And I believe a draft will cause an internal rebellion.

Contrary to much writing about no manufacturing jobs returning to america I disagree with the premises these shark suit writers propose as to why manufacturing jobs won’t come back. The reason why we have lost our manufacturing base is because of government regulation and government monopoly protection for the large corporations. Think Boeing as one instance.

The status quo in this country is starting to show cracks. Thanks to tariffs the global corporations are going to suffer from lack of sales. This means dividends to investment capital will grind to zero and their bloated corporate superstructure will have to be eliminated. I smell a breakup of these large corporations.

Everything in this country including government has gotten to big to manage and it has eaten up massive financial & natural resources to keep these systems going.

Government is becoming dysfunctional and beginning to breakdown. It is stressed out. The federal government is way too big and too expensive to maintain. Administrative law is becoming irrelevant. This law was created for corporations and is not fit to govern people because it has no values. People are not benefiting under this rule of law because the law is oppressive. Common law is far a better form of law for people to live under.

So what I see coming to america is a major retreat of our military from the world scene and a major reformation of our government. Our new government will not look like the one we have now.

In our country change happens fast.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Thunderbird
May 27, 2019 2:45 pm

Tbird – the US has not lost its manufacturing base – manufacturing is more or less the same % of GDP as it ever was. What has been lost is manufacturing jobs, that disappeared to automation, which is why the jobs can NEVER come back. They simply no longer exist.

Re getting big – the problem with getting big is you have to structure things to the lowest common denominator – ie the stupidest employee. And in the end that is no way to be successful.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
  Llpoh
May 27, 2019 5:08 pm

Llpoh – You make a great point about manufacturing jobs not coming back because of automation. I would like to remind you that automation is a new phenomena in the work history of man and there is no evidence that automation will continue to be the dominant pattern in manufacturing.

Wise men in leadership positions know that populations need to work to have a sense of purpose. We are homo sapiens meaning we like to craft things with our hands. Automation was created for profit motives. The down side of automation is that it has created mass unemployment which is unacceptable to maintaining a stable society.

We are going to have to limit the scope and use of automation if we are to keep everyone working. And keeping everyone working means people having the money to purchase the products we manufacture.

Your thinking revolves around your lifetime experience which is of short duration compared to the collective experience of man over thousands of years. Our technical experience in the last 70 years has dumbed us down in our social responsibility and thinking about the welfare of our fellow human beings; not to mention our responsibility to nature and the biosphere. We have migrated to the cities where the natural landscape is now a desert under man made structures and the lighting is so intense that we can no longer see the stars at night. Our minds are captured in our cellphones, computer screens, televisions all spewing garbage and useless information for our entertainment to the point where we can no longer think sanely about our condition in this artificial environment we have created for ourselves.

We as a society no longer have a vision to follow and as a person no longer know what it is to be an individual. We live in the realm of our lover selves; that is our material self, our reactive self, and our divided self not even knowing our true self.

So when you say manufacturing jobs will not come back you are making assumptions based on your short duration in this world not realizing that automation is a limitation on the creativity of man and indeed is a curse on man. In it’s current misuse It enriches the few at the expense of the many.

Everything in moderation is a wise saying. The jobs will come back because there is a Will in the people for them to come back.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Thunderbird
May 27, 2019 5:36 pm

Tbird – your system, or that you describe, will not return unless the world population collapses. In my opinion.

I believe you vastly overestimate the qualities inherent in a very significant percentage of the population, who, quite frankly, are too stupid to be of value in any economy, and who only survive owing to the vast output generated by current manufacturing processes.

Those people previously either died off, or had very low populations which could barely be supported by their low levels of intelligence. Those people have no capacity to understand what it is to be an individual, as you put it. The explosion in world population is directly related to industrial advancement.

I believe it more likely that an attempt will be made to feed the masses, and let them be idle, rather than see a die off of 99% of the population, which would see world population drop to around 100 million. We will see, eventually.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
  Llpoh
May 27, 2019 7:09 pm

@ Llpoh – “The explosion in world population is directly related to industrial advancement.”

I believe this statement of yours is correct. I traveled most of the world in the 60s and some of the world in the 90s and noticed the population increase directly.

The way things are going now I do believe we will see a massive population decrease in the future and I believe it will be weather and disease related.

You bring up a very valid point about IQ. The human mind is an instrument that can be developed and transformed or it can degenerate from misuse or lack of use. I have observed many people young & old around me and it seems that their minds have degenerated across the board from my experience with people in my younger years. This disturbs me because I get the notion that the general population is losing it’s ability to be self regulating and self directing. If this is true then our society is in trouble.

So when you say that it is likely that an attempt will be made to feed the masses and let them sit idle, rather than letting them die off then I think about the homeless problem in California that is growing bigger every day. I am waiting for a major disease epidemic to break out in California due to this situation.

I dare say we are moving into a situation where mother nature will take care of the situation if we humans can’t.

In the 1960s the world population; I recall, was just over two billion people. Today it is pressing eight billion people. This rate of growth cannot be sustained. Especially if the weather continues its wild fluctuations.

Why is it that the white race is declining in size while all the other races are expanding in size? I don’t see IQ being a factor in this. Could it be expectations?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Thunderbird
May 28, 2019 7:01 am

In the act of creating, of making and producing things, we most resemble God. I believe it is human nature to want to create, it is a necessary element of being “human”. Whether it’s building, or knitting, etc…, people have an innate need to create.

MSyzlak
MSyzlak
  Thunderbird
May 27, 2019 6:44 pm

“Administrative law is becoming irrelevant. This law was created for corporations and is not fit to govern people because it has no values. People are not benefiting under this rule of law because the law is oppressive. Common law is far a better form of law for people to live under. ”

Old Toad of Green Acres
Old Toad of Green Acres
May 27, 2019 12:41 pm

Aww, gee whizzer, you guys are missing the point.
100,000 illegals a month are going to solve all our problems.
Soylent Green, Washington state is starting the process. Harvest the bodies for energy. Start with ……, you fill in the blank.

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve
  Old Toad of Green Acres
May 27, 2019 1:36 pm

Your premise reminds me of a very good sci-fi book I read when I was 12 or 13. The Gasp by Romain Gary.

The book is about how they figured out to use the departing soul of the dead as a source of energy.

Diogenes’ Dung
Diogenes’ Dung
May 27, 2019 1:42 pm

“The imploding center of this collapse is that of industrial technocracy based on fossil fuels.”

Baloney.

During the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, OPEC’s oil embargo turned off the oil tap for the US. Day-long gas lines everywhere. Unemployment soared. It was the worst economic downturn in my life. Everyone was ‘inconvenienced’, but nobody was acting like it was the end of the world. It wasn’t that difficult to conserve fuel if one gave it a thought. Neither the US nor China will crumble over energy supplies.

Kunstler’s ‘Long Emergency’ is well under way, slowly grinding the bones of our middle class into dust, while China’s emerges in leaps as its agrarian population moves to metropolitan areas and a 21st century life that embraces all corners of the world. But energy (oil) has nothing to do with it.

Venezuela‘s economy collapsed with the world’s largest oil reserves. Its government’s bureaucratic burden (socialist programs) didn’t pull it under, it wasn’t overextended into other country’s sphere of influence, it wasn’t creating enemies everywhere with an unsupportable burden of military presence all over the world. Venezuela was hobbled by our machinations to divide its populace. China doesn’t pull this kind of shit, turds that we spread everywhere:

Hillary 2009: “The Chavez relationship…is a result of eight years of isolating Chavez. And I don’t think we believe it’s worked very well… our belief is, if it hasn’t worked, why keep it going? Let’s see what else might be possible,” said Clinton during a four hour hearing on foreign policy in the U.S. House of Representatives.”

“We’ve isolated him, so he’s gone elsewhere. I mean, he’s a very sociable guy,” said Clinton. “He’s finding friends in places we’d prefer him not to find friends,” Clinton added, referring specifically to Chávez’s diplomatic relationship with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.”

The downfall of every Empire is overextension of its reach into countries inimical to its presence. Today, that is US policy everywhere (except Israel).

If China’s population becomes restive due to a severe economic contraction, its leadership need only to identify the US the global rape machine. How difficult would that be?

China’s anti-Japanese demonstrations of 2012 occurred over two months in every major city. The cause of the demonstrations was the dispute over who owned the Senkaku Islands – and few Chinese could point to them on a map.

America will fall because we’ve turned everyone into an enemy and swollen out government to the point where half of our population works for the government directly or as an adjunct to the services needed to remain pain in everyone’s ass, at home and abroad.

Oil shortages, negative ROI for solar farms and windmills, and overstretched supply lines won’t even be a footnote in the story of our collapse.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Diogenes’ Dung
May 27, 2019 10:44 pm

For the millionth time, the US imports a net 9 million bpd of oil, and oil reserves in the world are only being 15% replaced as they are consumed….Fracking is a scam, and all the best prospects have been exploited, so those net imports have nowhere to go but up…

Diogenes’ Dung
Diogenes’ Dung
  Diogenes’ Dung
May 27, 2019 11:01 pm

Thank you. I’m ‘ALL-IN!’ for mule life (horse/donkey, goats, chickens and pigs) with crops for food and feed.

But I’m not worried about an oil shortage. Even with production cuts, excess oil production has required tanker storage the last few years. Refinery capacity is a bigger problem. I’m familiar with Hubbert’s curve and decline curve analysis, but I don’t see declining production of ‘affordable oil’ as a near-term problem. Even with the atrocious depletion rates for shale (down 75% after 1 yr; 87% after 2 yr) I see a potable water shortage as a bigger problem.

The ability to sustain energy supplies isn’t as dependent on oil as transportation is, and our military consumes more oil than most countries. Electrical generation of power is the linchpin of society. Grids will fail long before we run out of oil.

An 8+ Cascadia Subduction earthquake would shutter every dam in the Pacific Northwest and start a dark age of lights out for most of the west coast and east to Montana. If it happened in winter, few would see spring.

yahsure
yahsure
May 27, 2019 2:02 pm

A stupid article. We have the ability to adapt and overcome. I am still wondering about hydrogen-powered cars. Electric cars are the current thing being pushed.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  yahsure
May 27, 2019 2:38 pm

Yah – I do not know who this “we” is you are talking about, but the 40 million blacks with an average IQ of 85, the 50 million browns with an IQ below 85, and the 40 or 50 million whites with an IQ below 85 ain’t adapting to shit when the teat gets pulled from their mouths when the economic system collapses.

About half the population of the US is incapable of producing enough economically to feed themselves. You think they are going to adapt?

This is going to end poorly.

StackingStock
StackingStock
  Llpoh
May 27, 2019 4:40 pm

I’ve been calling my brown coworker low IQ for years. She sent me an email saying she couldn’t find a design I did because she’s low IQ.

When we have meetings with these people, they literally can’t think, they have no ideas, they bring nothing to the table.

So, yes I concur with your statement of fact.

Carry on and arm up. ..

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Llpoh
May 27, 2019 5:02 pm

Not to quibble but you got the black IQ and brown IQ reversed and yes we have a significant cohort of dumb MFer white folks. IQ’s across the “west” are declining…mostly to immigration from third world shitholes….where the populations are dumber than a box of rocks. Sadly the government promotes and rewards failure and stupidity with welfare!

Kunstler has been saying the same thing for 30 years…eventually he might be right but not likely.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Martel's Hammer
May 27, 2019 5:45 pm

Martel – not reversed, but maybe slightly overestimating the number of browns with an IQ below 85. There are around 60-65 million browns with an average IQ of 90-95, so I guessed that there might be 50 million below 85 – that was incorrect. More accurate would be 30 million of those. The white number should be more like 60-65 below 85.

But still, it makes for a huge number of idiots all up – over 100 million essentially incapable of anything except in some cases the most menial tasks.

And then of course add in the high number of aged, who also will not adapt well.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Llpoh
May 27, 2019 10:46 pm

those coming over the border have IQs around 80….

Anonymous
Anonymous
  pyrrhus
May 28, 2019 7:06 am

That high?

Diogenes’ Dung
Diogenes’ Dung
  Martel's Hammer
May 27, 2019 6:18 pm

Si Señor,

And thank you for the correction about I.Q….black/brown. S.A.T. “I.Q.” is hardly a litmus test for ‘lights-out’ Survival; I.Q. is pattern recognition, nothing more.

We all excel at different sorts of pattern recognition, good at some, poor with others. Survival I.Q. isn’t evident until survival is an every-day test. I’m competent to judge because I’ve lived on the street without a penny, here and in Mexico; happy to find a half-smoked cigarette to help kill my hunger, eyes in the back of my head.

Most Americans have no survival I.Q. 1st generation Mexicans and their children would do just fine without lights and running water, while whiteys everywhere would be fighting off black gangs looking to take yours and have fun doing it. Blacks wouldn’t think of going after Mexicans; laughable. Gangs don’t fight like families do.

Most Mexicans, even 2nd generation, could show anyone a thing or two about survival. 20 years ago, my closest Mexican neighbors were ‘squatters’ with a feral 12 year-old boy who had never worn cloths. They scratched out a living picking oranges, ect. Toughest people I’ve ever known.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Diogenes’ Dung
May 27, 2019 7:54 pm

Our black brothers who excel at running away from wildlife but are not so good at quantum mechanics are just not well suited for modernity arguably most of humanity is not well suited for the high technology representative democracy we think we have now. You need at least 100 IQ points to be functional. Thus the collapse is inevitable as the system we have falls on its own internal false premises.

Diogenes’ Dung
Diogenes’ Dung
  Anonymous
May 27, 2019 11:06 pm

I’d venture to say the average reader/commenter here is well above a 100 IQ, maybe a 120 average, and I’d further wager that not 1 in 10 feels like they are ‘well-suited’ to live in this world, whatever you call it.

Only psycopaths are geared perfectlly for this world.

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles
  Diogenes’ Dung
May 27, 2019 9:39 pm

“I.Q. is pattern recognition, nothing more.”

That’s a whole heck of a lot.

I’ve always thought I.Q. was a measure of the capacity for drawing analogies, which includes recognizing patterns. If every situation is something you’ve never experienced before and you fall from the clouds stupefied… that can be detrimental. If, however, you can draw analogies from past experiences, things you’ve read, etc., and put 2+2 together.. that’s “intelligence”, as I see it.

MSyzlak
MSyzlak
  Llpoh
May 27, 2019 6:55 pm

You’ve got it (almost) backwards. When SHTF, it’s IQ that won’t matter for shit, and most (many) of the “high IQ” who will be staring blankly into space waiting for mama .gov to come to the rescue.

No one yet knows what anyone will be adapting to.
‘Can’t produce enough economically’ vs. ‘economic system collapses’?
Who will be ‘producing’? What will they be ‘producing’?
They might be producing mostly “fuel” for those Soylent Green vats that Old Toad referenced. Don’t need a high IQ for that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  MSyzlak
May 27, 2019 7:57 pm

Sorry have to disagree the smarter bears are adaptable and logical. The obvious conclusion in a survival situation is to treat everybody as a threat and have a plan to eliminate the threat. See Selco, people adapt to Mad Max conditions in days.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  MSyzlak
May 27, 2019 10:48 pm

Wrong…higher IQ means more creative power to adapt yourself and your group to changes…Northern Europeans excel at that…

KaD
KaD
  Llpoh
May 27, 2019 8:08 pm

I’d be shocked if it wasn’t a lot more than half.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
  Llpoh
May 27, 2019 8:29 pm

If we do have an economic collapse of the magnitude that you imply then I see the military taking over. I don’t see the government; that is our political leaders in Washington and many States, having the intelligence and capacity to keep order and plan for a way out of the mess. A system breakdown means a new system will have to be put in place. Probably military script will have to be used for money.

There will be areas where law and order will completely breakdown. In this case I see the military cleaning the streets of a lot of rabid minds. Our military will have to bring all our troops home to do this.

Most people, I believe, don’t think this can happen. But I think it is a real possibility.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  yahsure
May 27, 2019 3:03 pm

Yah sure, “we” may have the ability to adapt and overcome, but I am not so sure about “you”. If you are still wondering about hydrogen cars, perhaps you should read more and wonder less. You might learn something and you are less likely to ‘wonder off’ and get lost among all that boring data.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  yahsure
May 27, 2019 7:03 pm

I’m not so sure of that. It takes more energy via electrolysis to produce the hydrogen than it delivers. No way on hydrogen powered cars. With tongue in cheek, Mules are the answer; see above.

niebo
niebo
May 27, 2019 2:41 pm

They run things mostly on coal, and they’re well past peak

According to World Energy Council, there are +/- 835,200 MILLION TONS of known coal reserves worldwide. As a world, we consume 7,800 million tons per year. So, at present rates of consumption (which MUST be in decline thanks to the tree-huggers and/or cultural marxists in the west, but even if they stay the same), the mathematicalism says we have 107 years of coal left.

https://www.worldenergy.org/data/resources/resource/coal/

So, I’m not sure what he means by “peak”, much less “well past”.

The US is smugly and stupidly under the impression that the “shale oil miracle” has put an end to our energy worries.

Not including shale oil and extra heavy crude, the world sits on 239 billion tons of oil. CRUDE oil. Not total oil. Shale reserves are 4 times the crude reserves.

https://www.worldenergy.org/data/resources/resource/oil/

Yet, we use, as a planet, about 4.4 billion tons per year.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/265261/global-oil-consumption-in-million-metric-tons/

So, at present rates of consumption, as a planet, we have 54 years of CRUDE oil reserves left. If we, the US, get serious about energy and just embrace the NeoCon goal as OUR goal and just, you know, kill everybody else off, then, at our present consumption rate of 913 million tons a year

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4191075-world-oil-2018minus-2050-world-energy-annual-report-part-2

. . . we still have 261 years of, again, CRUDE oil reserves left.

Just sayin’. And calling bullshit.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  niebo
May 27, 2019 3:11 pm

“Neibo” ; nice research. You have gone to great lengths to refute the conclusions of JHK’s Long Emergency, and at the same time, reinforce what he has been saying. What is it you do not understand about the term”unsustainable”?

You should read his stuff first, and then put on your thinking cap. No, not the aluminum one!

niebo
niebo
  Anonymous
May 27, 2019 4:08 pm

Actually it took about ten minutes, and I never said it was “sustainable”; at this point, after hearing for thirty years how “O gawd we are awl gunna die!” I am sick and tired of the “O gawd we are awl gunna die!”

Try these:

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring

http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Energy.html

Maybe everything that “they” have shoved down your throat via the education system and the media . . . is a lie, meant to separate YOU from the FRUIT of you labor. How about YOU put your thinking cap on and question the BS narrative that, in this case, JHK feeds into.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  niebo
May 27, 2019 5:05 pm

Exception to the rule, Neibo. One instance does not the rule make. You are in denial and grasping for straws.

niebo
niebo
  Anonymous
May 27, 2019 6:15 pm

. . . yes, I am in denial. I deny that the oil crisis and coal crisis and global-warming crisis and climate change crisis are anything but mass thought controls that are designed and executed to bankrupt first-world nations and to keep second-and-third world nations in their places as poverty-stricken, disease-ridden hell-holes so that they are easy targets for the vampire-elites, who suck-up the natural resources for pennies on the dollar, sell at extortion-rates, and export every cent of profit to a foreign nation that repeats the process again and again and again like they have for hundreds of years in the colonialist bloodletting that has swept the world again and again and shifted from one national power to another and to another and another but, in the end, the same network of “royal” incestuous bankster industrialist media conglomerate slaver families have remained in power, cemented there by their own greed and insatiable bloodlust for more more more at your, my, and everyone else’s expense. So, yes, I deny that the above crises are anything but intellectual neo-colonialism, and we give them control of ourselves, the world over, when we obey their lies.

*drops the mic*

MSyzlak
MSyzlak
  niebo
May 27, 2019 7:00 pm

Pick that mic back up. You were doing good.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  niebo
May 27, 2019 7:00 pm

Agreed niebo. Excellent Rant. That JHK buys into the climate change bullshit is a lens into the rest of his theories. He wants us to all live in urban Agenda 21 villages because the oil is going to run out. Ain’t happening.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
May 27, 2019 2:46 pm

Our dumbed down population voting for Communism is a bigger threat than peak oil; ever hear the MSM mention that? Georgia and Florida both barely missed getting Black Communist (Abrams and Gillum) for Governors in Nov 2018. Chaos, Communist Pogroms and poverty will get here before an oil crisis.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  robert h siddell jr
May 27, 2019 5:11 pm

Well Robert, I sadly must agree with you…as to a collapse of whatever, I’m beyond caring anymore, i’m saturated to the gills with be afraid, be very afraid.

niebo
niebo
  Mygirl...maybe
May 27, 2019 11:04 pm

O gawd, we are awl gunna die!!!!!

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  niebo
May 28, 2019 11:23 am

Yes indeed…we are awl gunna die. Some of us before others. That’s the way it works around here. Nobody gets out alive.

Not even you BB.

Miles Long
Miles Long
  robert h siddell jr
May 27, 2019 5:12 pm
Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles
  Miles Long
May 27, 2019 9:41 pm

Great film.

niebo
niebo
  robert h siddell jr
May 27, 2019 10:54 pm

And what’s pathetic is that there is mounting evidence that the “great dumbing” is NOT an accident:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-05-24-the-mass-dumbing-down-of-humanity-is-now-confirmed-by-scientists.html

The wonder Of it all
The wonder Of it all
May 28, 2019 12:50 am

Be careful when locker room mentality rules the roost
Just curious what the magic number is for unsunstaimable population in a good worldly environment What the effect will be when we start running out of all variety of stuffs to keep the hordes happy. Will be just peace, calm, and acceptance – right?

Alecto
Alecto
May 28, 2019 6:51 am

Why is China (with help from Bill Gates?) leveraging American concepts in nuclear technology: specifically Molten Salt Reactors developed at Oak Ridge, TN using Thorium? In an apparent attempt to get ahead of oil supply exhaustion or cutoff, they are willing and able to do what we are not – contemplate the end of cheap oil?

No doubt oil companies are powerful and will do anything to maintain power. However, faced with the prospect of cataclysm, isn’t it time to explore? I’m not a nuclear engineer, but there seem to be some interesting developments in this area of which Americans are not willing to entertain because they have been indoctrinated against the technology?

This debacle is yet another example of what happens when citizens turn over their rights to government in the way of “energy policy” or “housing policy” or “education policy”. The result is a National Energy/Housing/Education one-size-fits-all-wallets swamp. Americans were once known for their ingenuity. I guess we’ve had that either beaten out of us or nationalized/subsidized into oblivion?