Following the Greater Depression on eBay

Guest Post by Jeff Thomas via International Man

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I’m often asked how I see the warning signs that allow me to gauge the timing of the coming economic crisis.

Although careful research into an economy can result in a relatively accurate prognostication, the timing is always the most difficult aspect to pinpoint.

However, a good indicator is to track how others within the economy are surviving the situation. This tells us much more than their questionable claims that they’re doing just fine.

One very telling way to do this is to follow their extravagances. In prosperous times, they’re likely to buy expensive toys. Then, as they increasingly feel the pinch, they’ll sell off those toys first, before resorting to selling their more essential possessions. For example, someone will sell off his beloved sports car before he sells the more essential family SUV. Or he’ll get rid of the vacation house before he puts his primary home on the market.

Therefore, an early warning that a people are facing financial difficulty is that they begin to offer such big toys for sale in order to continue to pay the bills. And an early warning that an entire economy is in trouble is when tens of thousands of people engage in such a sell-off. This is particularly true for those who bought their big toys with a bank loan.

Yachts are the first toy that most people will sell, since it’s pure luxury and a liability. A yacht has been defined as “a hole in the ocean that you shovel money into.” Quite so. They’re costly to maintain. And, of course, that’s why it’s prestigious to own one. Many people buy them to impress others, even if they can’t really afford them.

Yachts that originally sold for $500,000 have dropped to between $100,000 and $200,000 in the last few years. And they’re commonly available at those prices. That tells us that many owners who had been in the seven-figure income category are feeling the pinch and are trying to unload a toy that they still would like to keep, but they need the cash. They may not be broke, but they’re feeling squeezed by the times.

But how about the owner who’s in the six-figure income category? Well, the same holds true. He bought a nice boat for $100,000 and those boats are now selling for $25,000 to $30,000.

Notice that the drop in price is greater than for the bigger yachts, percentage wise. That tells us that, at present, this category of owner is being hit harder than his richer brother. But that can change at any time. Just keep an occasional eye on asking prices. Also bear in mind that there are more boat owners in the lower category than the higher category, so, all things being equal, the asking prices indicate which level of owner is being hit the hardest at any given time.

In order to check on the average guy who makes a five-figure salary, we look at those boats that are small enough to put on a trailer and park in the yard. The under-20-foot group have been hit hardest. A day sailer that cost $25,000 new may be offered for $5,000 or less, but there are almost no buyers.

Boats are a great indicator, as they’re often the first item to be let go. After all, even if they just sit there, they’re costing money to maintain.

But equally telling would be motorcycles. In the US, there’s a certain pride in a fellow buying himself a full-dress Harley Davidson Electra Glide. It might have cost him $25,000. But if he’s feeling the pinch – if inflation is costing him more at the grocery store, but his boss hasn’t given him a raise in two years, due to a stagnant economy – he’ll be pressed for spending money for essentials. Something will have to go if the bills are going to be paid. And the missus may tell him that the family SUV is more important than the bike, so it’s time to park the beloved Harley in the driveway and put a For Sale sign on it.

But what happens when an economic crunch becomes more prolonged? That’s when we can look down the street and see several Harleys with signs on them. How long do they sit? Have the prices been dropping? As the economy worsens, the owner begins to realise that buyers are fewer than they once were. He may drop his price to $20,000, only to find that others have already dropped theirs to $16,000. As time passes, he may drop to $10,000 or even $5,000 and still have no takers.

This, of course, was what happened in the Great Depression, when a beautiful new 1929 Packard Super 8 sold new for $2,400, but those who had lost their money in the crash lowered their prices over and over until some were being offered for $100.

And, often, there were no takers even at that price.

A periodic check of eBay can therefore provide you with a snapshot of the economy that’s not otherwise visible – how people are coping. This is information that, understandably, most people would not share and is certain never to appear on CNN.

But eBay is not the only inside source of the current state of the economy.

Do you have a good pawn shop in your area? Drop in once a month and note some of the prices. Ask a few questions. Even in a depression, a Fabergé egg would retain value, as it’s a true collectible. Those who remain wealthy in a crisis period will still be buying, and their tastes will be likely to run to fine art.

However, on the other end of the scale, you have “junk collectibles” – the items that were once thrown away, but are now collected by those who cannot afford a Matisse. A 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle baseball card in mint condition may fetch as much as $30,000 presently, but that price is likely to go through the floor in a depression… After all, it’s really only a piece of printed paper, not a Degas.

During a depression, such as we will soon be passing through, one of the greatest casualties will be luxury cars. In the Great Depression, new Cords, Duesenbergs and Pierce-Arrows were driven into barns and forgotten, as no one wished to be seen to be rich during a depression. In the 1930s, the wealthy drove Fords and Chevrolets, even though they could still afford their luxury car.

So there are two considerations here. The first is that the reader may choose to monitor the “hidden economic decline” by checking periodically on what toys the newly rich jettison on their way to becoming the newly poor.

The second is that the reader may wish to consider unloading his own luxury toys whilst a market for them still exists. He may love his Porsche Cayenne at present, but it may well become a liability in the leaner times to come. Sell it while it’s still salable.

And one last take-away: If you’ve always wanted to own a 35-foot sloop, but couldn’t raise the $150,000, they’ve already dropped to the neighbourhood of $40,000 and that’s by no means the bottom. The bottom comes after a crash, when owners that had not prepared for a crash find themselves in desperate straits.

When the day comes that the present owner can’t even afford the mooring fees and yacht yard costs, the price could go as low as a dollar.

In the meantime, those who liquidate their big toys now and move the proceeds into real money (gold and silver) will find that, after a crash, it will be a buyer’s market.

There’s an old saying that, “When no one has a farthing, the man with a penny is king.”

If you plan ahead, you may be that man.

Editor’s Note: Unfortunately, there’s little any individual can practically do to change the trajectory of these trends in motion.

The best you can and should do is to stay informed so that you can protect yourself in the best way possible, and even profit from the situation.

That’s precisely why bestselling author Doug Casey and his colleagues just released an urgent new PDF report that explains what could come next and what you can do about it. Click here to download it now.

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17 Comments
M G
M G
October 7, 2019 7:15 pm

I am in the market for a “like new” softub hot tub. I want the big one.

Since luxury items are on sale I figured I would put that out there.

I can pay cold hard cash or silver.

Anymouse
Anymouse
  M G
October 8, 2019 10:04 am

make you own, aka the hillbilly hot tub:
1.make a box/tub out of logs (learn how to build a small log cabin without a roof!)
2. get a piece of 3/8″ copper tubing, create a simple coil, and some similar sized rubber hose
3. buy a bilge pump ($10-15) and get a spare 12 volt car battery
4. put a couple of tarps into your box, fill it with water (put a rug under tarps to make it cozy)
5. build a small fire next to it, or use you gas grill,
6. put bilge pump into water, connect hose and put copper coil into heat, connect battery

it will take an hour to finally heat up, eventually it will get so hot you will want to unplug the bilge pump.

we did this out in the woods, used a small camp fire, filled tub with creek water, but there is no reason you can’t do this in your yard, for next to nothing but your time.
your neighbors will be jealous, or they will shun you forever, it depends on their mindset.

plus, it is more fun since you did not have to pay for a big piece of plastic with pumps and electric bills through the roof.

EC
EC
  Anymouse
October 8, 2019 10:19 am

Anon, telling Maggito how to make a hillbilly hot tub is like telling me how to pick lettuce.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
October 7, 2019 8:12 pm

While there may be deflation in some assets, others are inflating right now, like land and RE and other types of hard assets.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  Vote Harder
October 8, 2019 2:05 am

RE isn’t inflating everywhere Lot at Eastern NC , Ct, NJ , NY, I’llinois usually high tax states as examples

ursel doran
ursel doran
October 7, 2019 10:37 pm

It is just the cycle.
I recall in one of the busts a $250,000 boat was had for paying the slip fees of about $25,000.
One of my favorite economic indicators is the number of executive jets for sale. Well known that they go first for the corporations. you can follow at controller.com.
Warren Buffett’s fleet of jet rentals, Net Jets, has almost 500 planes in the fleet here and in Europe as corporations do not want to be seen reporting ownership, and doing the expensive maintenance. When that fleet starts to hit the market it will be a killer.

TampaRed
TampaRed
October 7, 2019 11:06 pm

i do a bit of scrapping–most scrap metal in the us is sent to china or somewhere else in the east but i believe china is by far the biggest buyer–
when trump imposed his tariffs china put some on scrap metal–the price was approximately .08 cents/pound–it immediately dropped some but has continued dropping —
last week i sold a load & the price was only 3.5/pound–
somebody’s economy is faltering,either china’s, ours,or both–

nkit
nkit
  TampaRed
October 7, 2019 11:11 pm

What are aluminum cans going for in Tampa? Any idea?

TampaRed
TampaRed
  nkit
October 8, 2019 9:40 am

i rarely sell aluminum,i just stack it up & take it in every couple of years b/c i don’t collect much but al cans are way down b/c they’re a pain 4 the producers to work with,don’t remember why–
after the way your side girl laid into you on friday fail,it’s good to see you poke your head out again,even if it is close to midnight–
i always thought you were just ragging on me,i never dreamed you were into girls like her–
oh well,to each his own–

Lebowski
Lebowski
  TampaRed
October 8, 2019 2:11 am

3 and a half for what metal?

Dee
Dee
  Lebowski
October 8, 2019 9:46 am

How much of that are you tithing sir?

Dee
Dee
  Lebowski
October 8, 2019 9:49 am

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Lebowski
October 8, 2019 9:50 am

steel–
aluminum,copper,stainless steel all pay much better but it has to be good quality–
that’s one of my projects 4 the fall,to clean up all those types of metal that i have lying around my back yard & haul it away–
the bosses in my house say tha the mess in our backyard makes me look like a white fred sanford,which i take as a compliment but they don’t mean as one–

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  TampaRed
October 8, 2019 7:51 am

China loved all that thermite coated steel from WTC.

Karl
Karl
  TampaRed
October 8, 2019 10:08 am

2 cents a pound last week for ‘white goods’ last week in northern ill.
Not much incentive to stop and pick up a 100 lb washing machine.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
October 8, 2019 12:52 pm

After the crash in 2008 I had a friend who was heavy into real estate. He was floating 10 million in loans. Plus he had a pet boat project, secured by borrowing over 200 K against it, to completely renovate a 1973 Bertram 28, a true classic in the yachting world. This was in addition to his 50 foot plus Hatteras. As he could no longer afford to keep it anywhere he asked me if I could keep it at my dock. I had much time on my hands having recently taken a medical retirement and forced to take a 50% loss on my professional building in 2008. I lost so much money I received 60k a year back from my taxes for 5 years straight. And I did enjoy the boat for near two years until the banks caught up with it. I added about 30K in assorted gear, electronics, outriggers etc. The owner and I took it to Key West and back for lobster season down there. A three day trip of 600 miles with two fuel stops along the way. And several subsequent offshore trips up to 100 miles offshore to chase and catch pelagics.

The most fun was when I took the grand daughter of the owner of the Destin Yacht Club from my home to spend the night hoboing at slip at the DYC 40 miles down the intercoastal waterway and partying at Harry T’s.

When the bank finally got it back they ended up selling it for less than $30K…

I coulda kept it by placing a lien against it for storage, improvements, docking fees and upkeep but I really needed to renovate my Hurricane Ivan gHetto home. It was fun while it lasted. It kept my idle hands busy and mended my mind from the mental misery of the times…

phil mc cracken
phil mc cracken
  KeyserSusie
October 9, 2019 6:53 am

“The most fun was when I took the grand daughter of the owner of the Destin Yacht Club from my home to spend the night hoboing at slip at the DYC 40 miles down the intercoastal waterway and partying at Harry T’s. ”

Did you “park” your “boat” in her “slip” that evening?