The Landscape Of Despair: How Our Cities And Towns Are Killing Us

Guest Post by Jim Kunstler

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The incoherence of the debate in the public arena becomes especially stark whenever a mass murder ignites the news wires — which is dismayingly often these days. But the understandable wish to make sense of these horrifying acts, and how our society seems to provoke them, leads to walls of mystification, psychobabble, and the dogmas du jour of the activist class. Some maniac guns down twenty people in a shopping mall, the news media lights up for a week of inconclusive hand-wringing, and then the discussion subsides back into uncomfortable, confounded silence, until the next maniac comes onstage to gun down as many total strangers as possible in his desperate bid for catharsis, and we go through the motions again, along with the pitiful ceremony of setting up the candles and teddy-bears at the crime scene.

By the way, I say “his” because overwhelmingly these spectacle shooters are men, often but not always young men under twenty-five (one recent exception being Tashfeen Malik  who, with her husband Rizwan Farook, shot up a San Bernardino, CA, social services agency in 2015). Something is going desperately wrong with the development of young men in this land. Many of the forces at work are pretty obvious. But what is uniformly overlooked about the current scene is the physical arrangement of daily life on the American landscape, how it affects us in unreckoned ways, and what a tragic fiasco it has become.

I refer to the everyday human habitat known as suburbia, the matrix of single-family home subdivisions, arterial highways and freeways, chain stores, junk food dispensaries, and the ubiquitous wilderness of free parking — the last of these implying just one insidious side-effect of this template for living: mandatory motoring. Though a variety of economic interests were served richly by the colossal project of building suburbia, and took full advantage of its perversities, no claque of evil geniuses cooked up the idea in a lab. It was an emergent phenomenon, the coming together of many historical forces, innovations, and opportunities. The emergence of suburbia comports with my New Theory of History, which states that things happen because they seem like a good idea at the time. The trouble is, circumstances change and what at one time seemed like a good idea turns into a debacle of unintended consequences in another time — which is where we are now.

While many Americans deplore suburbia in a general way — including many who live in it — its actual dynamics are poorly articulated in the public arena. Interestingly, one of suburbia’s biggest defects is the impoverishment of public space, and with it the degradation of the very public arena where ideas are exchanged and vetted for value.  Most public space in America is devoted simply to the movement and storage of cars. The highway is a hostile environment for humans and few people seek camaraderie or stimulation in the parking lots. The ambiguous leftover scraps of land, like the woodsy berm between the Walmart and the Best Buy, have no civic value. (That’s where kids go to drink malt-liquor.) Everything else is private space, including the shopping mall, by the way, where you can be arrested for making a speech, or just wearing a T-shirt with a provocative message. Public space per se has been relegated insidiously to TV and the Internet, and neither of these are an adequate replacement for real-live social relations with other human beings in a real place worth caring about.

I know from experience that the public’s attempt to understand all this can be laughably dim. If you show a slide of some schlocky boulevard of strip-malls to an audience in a town hall — as I have done many times — and ask them what’s wrong with this picture, you’ll probably get this answer: “It all looks exactly the same!” That is quite true, of course. The strip malls outside Syracuse, NY, look just like the strip malls outside Baton Rouge, LA, or Seattle, WA, except for the shrubs that decorate the parking lot. But sameness alone is not exactly the problem.

A lot of good places around the world look the same. The casual traveler might say that the hill towns of Tuscany all look the same— just so much stucco and red tile — and they do. But nobody complains about it. They pay a lot to visit those little towns. The grand boulevards and avenues of Paris might look the same, too, but nobody comes home from vacation there griping about it. The reason is that these places are composed and assembled as uniformities of excellence. The things in them (buildings and streets) and relationships between them are high quality, designed with conscious and deliberate artistry. The suburban environments of America are endless replications of low quality buildings, devoid of artistry, in poorly arranged relationships with each other on the landscape. Note, the strip mall highways in the ritzy suburbs are not any better than the ones in the crummy suburbs. You get the same one-story tilt-up buildings, the same wastelands of parking and the same six-laner that connects it all. (RELATED: Congress Debates Whether More Tax Dollars Will Go Towards Add-Ons For Luxury Electric Cars)

The other comment you’ll hear from that hypothetical town hall crowd is: “It’s all so ugly!” Which is more to the point, but still insufficient. What you’re seeing out there in all those clownish burger sheds, unvarying Big Box Stores, office “parks,” and boring tract houses is not mere ugliness. It represents something much more profoundly malign. This immersive ugliness is entropy-made-visible. Entropy is the force in the physical universe that drives things toward stasis and death. Entropy is what you want to steer clear of as much as possible. Living in an entropy-saturated environment is not good for you. Your brain processes the message that it sends out — this way toward death! — if perhaps only subliminally… and the mind revolts.

It is a powerful message. It must make Americans deeply depressed and anxious. Being immersed in suburbia, we barely register the pain it inflicts on us. It’s monotonous without being tranquil. The illegible cacophony of signage distresses your neurology. There is no reward in being there. The entire ensemble functions as a kind of uninvited punishment. It is literally disorienting in the sense that it might be anyplace. A place you call home has to be specific, not a generality, and there have to be reasons why you might care about it.

Traversing these ghastly landscapes in a car is bad enough. Even with the frills of recorded music, books-on-tape, and sugary, iced beverages, the journey will be doleful. Who even ventures out for a pleasure drive among the strip malls? The normal impulse is to buy whatever you came there for and get out as quickly as possible. But have you ever been tempted to walk down such a highway? To go for an evening stroll among the muffler shops, the Fry-o-later exhaust units, and the roaring traffic? Most highway strips don’t even have sidewalks. There’s no expectation that any normal person would choose to walk in these environments — though the desperately poor and the brain damaged sometimes do. This is how we live.

There are well-established methods for the design and assembly of human habitats that are worth living in, but you get very little of that in the USA. Even our “best” cities have become demolition derbies. What is especially absent, as I have averred to earlier, is artistry consciously applied to our surroundings. You can lay some of the blame for that on the dogmas of modernism, since the schools of architecture are marinated in it, especially the hatred of ornament, which means we’re forbidden a visual language to communicate our connection to nature (that is, everything in the universe). In fact, modernism has amounted to a campaign to explicitly denature the human project. That impulse probably derives from the raw human carnage unleashed in two 20th century world wars, which so shamed and horrified the survivors that they wanted to run shrieking from history itself. The neurotic reaction is the wish to scrub any signs of dangerous human expression from the buildings we live among. Along with that, we have erased anything that might amount to charm, the quality of being grateful to be alive in the first place. A life without charm is a zombie existence spent in places not worth caring about. (RELATED: This Small Town Is Going Broke, To Fix It Jeff Bezos And Bill Gates Might Have To Pay More Taxes On Their Mansions)

Another big chunk of blame can be assigned to officialdom and its zoning and building codes, which in most jurisdictions tends to absolutely mandate a suburban outcome (e.g. if you want to build a store, the law says you’d better supply twenty parking spaces). From this, an ethos emerges of the human habitat as an administrative abstraction. You end up living in a mere diagram of a place, not a place. Mostly though, what you’re seeing is an absence of thought and care. The codes are there to do your thinking for you. The hypothetical town hall I mentioned above may be just such a one-story cinder-block building out in the suburban gloaming, with eight-foot ceilings studded with sprinklers, dismal fluorescent lighting, and crummy plastic furniture. The room is a mere “facility.” It lacks any true typological identity. The town officials can’t imagine it matters if public meetings are held in a room that speaks expressively to citizens of their history in wood, stone and bronze.

But it does matter. Because every crummy town hall in America on a boulevard of chain stores damages the public realm and what it represents: the common good. The public realm is the physical manifestation of the common good. When you dishonor the public realm, you will dishonor the common good, and that is exactly how it has gone with us for the past several generations. And that damage has now manifested in grotesque crimes against the public in the public realm.

It’s not incidental that some of our worst buildings are the giant centralized schools, designed as if they were aircraft assembly plants or insecticide factories. They are ill-conceived in too many ways to count. Their size alone creates an alienating zone of estrangement in which students are ciphers rather than persons. This manner of supposed education sets off some of the worst tribal instincts in the kids, who desperately need to identify with something. And there is always a leftover cohort of kids who either can’t identify with others in such a bewildering setting, or are rejected by the tribes and cliques that self-organize as a defense against estrangement. These schools are run like prisons, with the students rotating from room-to-room at the harsh signal of a bell or buzzer every fifty minutes, often literally locked inside. More and more, the curriculum consists of crude political indoctrination that even fifteen-year-olds can tell is phony and insulting. Is there more than a tiny chance that some of the kids subjected to this alienating environment, and these pressures, might grow homicidally enraged at those around them? (RELATED: Oakland Public Schools Are Already Broke Again After 2003 Bailout)

Then consider the milieu outside of school: a tract house in some dreary matrix of identical houses physically separated from the civic and commercial infrastructure of the “town” (if you can even call it that) by the zoning laws. If the two-parent household is intact (statistically unlikely), both parents are liable to be at work when that alienated kid is delivered home by the yellow school bus. He’s too young to have driver’s license, and anyway none of the family cars are available, so he’s stuck there. At home, the kid has access to movies and TV shows that valorize acts of extreme violence, or he can play video games in which he gets to play the “shooter,” which can amount to tactical training for mass murder. When that gets boring, he can divert himself with free online porn and self-pleasuring, which afterward only tends to re-emphasize his aloneness, lack of connection, and desperate longing for affection and meaning. He knows he did not create this socially impoverished environment and all its punishments. Perhaps the kid has been able to score drugs at school, another layer of reality distortion. After a dinner by himself of microwaved burritos — mom and dad have long commutes — he listens to some “death metal” music or some rap about being a violent gangster. He falls asleep immersed in grievances and fantasies about avenging them.

Aren’t you a little surprised that we don’t have more school shootings?

None of this is really reformable, as if we are going to fix it. Like the larger context of suburbia, the giant consolidated schools seemed like a good idea at the time. The idea was to save administrative costs throughout a given district or region and the unanticipated consequence was to make education a loathsome and pointless experience for the students. The public schools are well on their way to just collapsing under the weight of their outlandish costs, especially their pension obligations, and the onerous school bus fleets.

Similarly, the colleges that have absorbed the flow of public school graduates — many of them ill-prepared for higher ed — using the loan racket to support their operations, are verging on criticality en route to collapse. Two colleges in my region shut down this year: Green Mountain College in Poultney, VT, and Southern Vermont College in Bennington. A third, Hampshire College over in western Massachusetts, is “looking for a new partner,” i.e. whirling around the drain. Many more will be following them. (RELATED: Did Hampshire College Cancel Concert Because Band Was Too White?)

The psychology of previous investment plays a big part in all this. Having spent so much of our national wealth building all this stuff, we can’t imagine letting go of it. And we built it during the decades of our greatest wealth accumulation. Now that we are paying today’s bills by borrowing from the future (i.e. accumulating massive debt), we can’t really continue to maintain all this infrastructure. But we’ll continue to pretend we can until we reach the moment of systemic criticality, where reality can no longer be denied. It’s liable to be messy. Like moments of criticality in natural systems — earthquakes, avalanches — financial shock tends to be quick, disorderly, and destructive.

The resolution of all this will be emergent, too, like its origin. That is, it will work itself out nonlinearly and chaotically. As for schooling itself across the whole spectrum from primary to higher ed, a lot of it will simply collapse and disappear, at least for a period of time, maybe a long time. It is most likely to reorganize on the fine grain of home schooling or home schools that aggregate into group teaching. But education will be nothing like the gargantuan enterprise it has been in our time. Some institutions of higher ed may survive, if they can downscale stringently. But anything organized at the giant scale is likely to find it very difficult to go on.

We’re entering a new age of greatly reduced expectations and activities brought about by resource and capital scarcity. The colossal matrix of suburbia itself has three plausible destinies, none of them mutually exclusive: slums, salvage, and ruins. The furnishings and accessories of suburbia are already in trouble. The mortgage train-wreck of 2008 signaled the beginning of the end of single-family home suburbia. (The young generation, locked into the college loan repayment treadmill, may never be able to buy a house.) The collapse of “brick-and-mortar” retail is the next shoe to drop. Ultimately, Internet retail will follow, since it is based on the absurd proposition that every item bought in this land must make a long journey by truck to its destination. It seemed like a good idea at the time. Eventually, new systems of downscaled regional and local commerce will self-reorganize emergently. The next mall will be your old Main Street.

All of this will redound to the issue of how children develop into adults, and especially young men. Every impediment has been placed in the way of their healthy development, and at an increasing pace in this century. The disorders of economy have subjected them to the grossest devaluation in political ideology. Manhood itself, as a general proposition, has been reframed as a shady enterprise. It has been a disgusting exercise in bad faith, but like other, older social hysterias, it will pass and we will look back in wonder and nausea that so many went along with it.

James Howard Kunstler is the author of The Geography of Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and several other books. He has been published by The New York Times, The Atlantic, and many others. He blogs at Clusterfuck Nation.

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Jim
Jim
October 15, 2019 10:04 am

Kunstler is a worthwhile read, even though he has been wrong about peak oil, by constantly offering up dates as to when it will happen, the crisis that is. Be that as it may the photo of the Boston City Hall is priceless. This has to be the absolutely ugliest civic building in the States if not the world.

Anon
Anon
  Jim
October 15, 2019 2:44 pm

Wrong predictive dates have little to do with it. If the concept of peak oil is right, and the data suggests it is, then he is as right as he needs to be.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Anon
October 15, 2019 7:45 pm

Anon.
Peak oil and climate change are soul mates. I can find data for any point I want to make. Follow the money behind both.

anarchyst
anarchyst
  Fleabaggs
October 16, 2019 1:48 am

“Peak oil” is a scam of the highest order…
Far from being “fossil fuel”, hydrocarbons are not only plentiful but are being renewed by yet-unknown processes deep within the earth.
The term “fossil fuel” was coined in the 1950s when little was known about the processes by which oil is produced. Oil is “abiotic” in nature, as even depleted oil wells are “filling back up” from deep below the earth’s surface.
Oil interests are drilling wells at 5,000 feet, 10,000 feet, and 15,000 feet and deeper, and coming up with oil deposits way below the layers and levels where “fossils” were known to exist.
As Russia gained much expertise in deep-well drilling and coming up with oil deposits far deeper than that of the level of “fossils”, abiotic oil at extreme depths was actually a Russian ‘state secret” for a long time.
Not only that, but there are planetary bodies in which hydrocarbons are naturally occurring (without fossils).
“Peak oil” and “fossil fuels” are discredited concepts that environmentalists and others are latching on to, in order to display their hatred of oil being a renewable resource as well as to push prices up.
Follow the money.

Mac
Mac
  Jim
October 16, 2019 9:12 pm

The buildings/neighborhood torn down to make way for those in Government Center were the very definition of the walkable community the JHK promotes, the old howard, the old cigar factory, all those demolished buildings defined a sense of place that was Scolly Square, but they wanted the New Boston, what they got, was more like LA ugly than Massachusetts

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
October 15, 2019 10:22 am

Great writer and very good points made, but you cannot write about the emergence of suburbia without mentioning race. Suburbia was the natural reaction of people being told that they no longer have the right to free association and that diversity was going to be imposed by force against the will of the citizenry as opposed to the people demanding it.

When you cannot fight something head on, you retreat.

It isn’t called White Flight for nothing.

CCRider
CCRider
  Hardscrabble Farmer
October 15, 2019 10:39 am

Yes. Another gift from our psychopathic rulers.

Dutch
Dutch
  Hardscrabble Farmer
October 15, 2019 11:25 am

Most large cities were founded 150 – 200 years ago. There were a lot less people then. As time passed, the inner city housing stock decayed and also be came obsolete – many of the older homes suffered from poor design / use of space / little or no insulation / single pane windows, etc. There wasn’t any other place to build new homes, for a great many people, other than the suburbs.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Hardscrabble Farmer
October 15, 2019 3:43 pm

Suburbs sprang up after WWII, with returning soldiers going to work, marrying and starting a family. Cities were not set up for so many start-up families, so builders moved out to the edge of the city to start their developments. Schools sprang up, along with commercial businesses, as described by JHK.

White flight began in the 60’s with judicial mandated busing to achieve integration . I went to a neighborhood school where I already knew many of the kids from the block and from church. The school was a place where the community gathered for fall festivals, awards banquets, picnics, etc. When I was in 9th grade, the schools were integrated through the use of buses and thus the flight to find a better school system.

What I have seen in W TN the past 15 years is middle class flight, as the working blacks in Memphis look for a better school system for their kids and move out to the surrounding towns. Memphis finally gave up their school charter so the county would have to take over. The municipalities set up their own school districts to stay separate from the debacle of busing. It cost a lot of money to set up the school systems, so taxes went up, but the people kept coming for their kids’ sake.

I left one of the nicer bedroom communities and moved to the country 15 years ago and have had few regrets. We no longer have kids in school and don’t worry about the value of the property, as we both plan on leaving this house in a hearse.

overthecliff
overthecliff
  TN Patriot
October 16, 2019 9:31 am

The real boom in the suburbs took place because of white flight. Who wants to live with niggers.

SeeBee
SeeBee
  Hardscrabble Farmer
October 16, 2019 6:42 pm

https://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/
Isn’t It Ironic? Dontchya think?

Kuntsler is a NYer. And a former Upper West Sider. That in itself says a lot. Although I do like his prose, I find his 180 turnaround a little suspect.
To get a real glimpse of how the machine works, read The Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York. An eye-opener for sure.

CCRider
CCRider
October 15, 2019 10:36 am

Interesting stuff. Three D printing will certainly change the landscape in a way Kunstler described; returning commerce back to Main Street. If it brings an end to forced authority by psychopaths (I pray) humans may finally achieve peace and prosperity-assuming we don’t destroy each other first. Following Bastiat’s law of the seen and unseen I often wonder if Eisenhower resisted the urge to be Caesar and didn’t create the national highway system what the landscape would look like. Flying cars? Vacuum tubes? Better rail? Who knows? Read thru this article and trace all of the ills he describes and see how much was caused by government.

For my 50th high school reunion we got a tour of the school. They turned it from a mind-numbing maze of sameness to a mind-numbing maze of a fucking prison. Cops roaming the halls (resource managers), sally port entries, security checkpoints. I split from the tour about 10 minutes in. Goddam depressing.

M G
M G
  CCRider
October 15, 2019 11:21 am

I refuse to visit my old hometown, much less the school.

It is sad what drugs and unemployment have done to small town school systems put in place to educate the school board members’ children.

As a matter of fact, I rarely leave this farm after this summer of driving all over the country visiting gravesites.

Even the cemeteries have lost that sense of community in urban landscapes.

EC
EC
  M G
October 15, 2019 5:17 pm

Are the cemeteries integrated?

M G
M G
  EC
October 15, 2019 5:55 pm

The Veterans Memorial Cemeteries are not segregated. I know that each county in Missouri has at least one Veterans Home, a Veterans Clinic (or Veterans Choice) and a Veterans Cemetery now. The Veterans care here in this region seems to be fair to pretty good, but I have not actually used actual Veteran’s Hospital physicians, so am not a good judge.

However, these cemeteries in the rural areas are usually segregated by family grouping (many old families in the hills have “family” cemeteries where several acres of land are reserved for burial purposes. It is quite an ordeal when one of the elders is brought home to rest.)

The others are usually an acre beside the church someone built out on some old gravel road. Sometimes the land was donated and sometimes it was appropriated.

The little church my grandfather built in 1953 was on three acres of donated land, given to the church until the Lord comes again and the dead shall rise.

roberthsiddelljr
roberthsiddelljr
  CCRider
October 15, 2019 2:01 pm

Robert E Lee Jax Fl had a good academic core until Affirmative Discrimination turned it into a Getto after 1965; I’m certain that today’s Racial Reconstruction Pogram is a greater cause of crime than buildings.

diverdown
diverdown
  roberthsiddelljr
October 15, 2019 5:18 pm

Too right, Robert.

As did Andrew Jackson. Of course, they were the only
two High Schools for many decades (Lee attendees
were from the wealthier Riverside and Avondale
areas, but both were segregated and 100% White)
but academics in all areas suffered a precipitous
decline across the board after forced school busing
for the purpose of integration, along with a marked
increase in crime rates, also across the board.

M G
M G
October 15, 2019 11:05 am

I need to get me a couple of those pistol packing Turkeys.

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KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
  M G
October 15, 2019 5:17 pm

R. Crumb observations mirror Mr. Kunstler to the tune of J. Mitchell.

M G
M G
  KeyserSusie
October 15, 2019 6:06 pm

I don’t know how the urban sprawl ends. I loathe it.

Especially now that I’m out of it. My friend Paula called to see if I could come to her Navy girlfriends reunion (I won’t) and I told her only if they had it in my deer meadow and didn’t mind getting shot at.

Too much traffic for me. Of any kind.

EC
EC
  M G
October 15, 2019 5:21 pm

One line says, late last night I heard the font door slam a big yellow taxi took away my old man. That changes the entire meaning of the song to one of breakup, she laughs and let’s us know she cracked up. It’s one of those songs that later on you realize is not entirely about the environment.

M G
M G
  EC
October 15, 2019 6:01 pm

Well, I don’t know why the big yellow taxi took away her old man but I that the big yellow tractor that took away her house and land was probably construction tractors and I suspect her deadbeat husband slammed the screen door when he snuck out.

She’s laughing because the kids aren’t his. So there.

Trapped in Portlandia
Trapped in Portlandia
October 15, 2019 11:06 am

Many urbanists point to Kunstler’s work as proof that the suburbs are bad and cities are good. But, that is not what Jim is saying. He doesn’t just dice the suburbs, he thinks cities suck too. And he believes that when the SHTF the cities will be the worst places to be.

In cities you are surrounded by lots of people who don’t like you for your skin color, religion, or your MAGA hat. And imagine when the PG&E-style rolling blackouts hit a city that isn’t comprised primarily of one and two-story buildings like California is. How do you get upstairs, way upstairs, when the elevators don’t work. And when the energy that makes big city living possible shuts off, everyone is bound to get a little feisty. Being around feisty people who dislike you in the dark is never a good idea.

No, Kunstler doesn’t believe in the suburbs or big cities. He is a small town kind-of guy who walks the talk by living in a small town with some acreage in upstate New York. I think he is absolutely right in this regard. Small towns with small institutions and close relationships between residents is the key to surviving the future.

Now if only I could convince my wife.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
October 15, 2019 11:08 am

I don’t know what drives people crazy enough to shoot up a store or church. In some cases, the weed is too strong. The celebrity culture makes being anonymous the equivalent of not existing. On the other hand, social media makes someone with 200 tangential followers have delusions of grandeur. Intersectionality and the grievance culture have targeted straight white males and feminism has made men of all races the enemy. Politics not only doesn’t offer solutions, it no longer offers even hope for solutions. People know intuitively that technology has stopped making things better and is now mostly about rendering people unemployed and unemployable. For men especially, that’s hell. A better question than why men are shooting up the place is why they aren’t doing it a lot more often.

Lebowski
Lebowski
  Iska Waran
October 15, 2019 2:14 pm

SSRIs prescribed to kids doesn’t help

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Lebowski
October 15, 2019 2:41 pm

You read my mind.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Iska Waran
October 15, 2019 2:17 pm

SSRIs and shitty water.

Shark
Shark
  Articles of Confederation
October 16, 2019 7:27 am

You mean the chemically “purified” estrogen-hormone infested (birth control byproduct) liquid that our young men have to drink, turning them into a bunch of God-knows-what, that passes for water?

WayfaringStrang3r
WayfaringStrang3r
October 15, 2019 11:08 am

First, I really do enjoy your work, it causes me to have thoughts I would not on my own and serves as a great jumping off point to clarify what I do believe and why I disagree, when I do disagree.
And I really disagree right now.
Maybe you’re an upper-income guy, maybe not, but if you were raised solidly middle class and then went on to personal success you’re the wrong guy to do all this analysis from a sociological or emotive standpoint. All the arguments you would make about peak oil and sprawl are valid, but the snobbery which reaches stratospheric heights here, the pronouncements of ugliness and what not, this is more than a little elitist.

When I was young and malls were new they were a public space without compare. We all were drawn like magnets, everyone went there, and you didn’t need to spend money beyond a coke or something to have a day or afternoon’s fully engaged diversion. People other than me will remember that.
As to suburbia and all the sad little ranch houses you despise – they were full of upwardly mobile union workers’ families, blue collar people, newly middle class people of all types, full of real optimism, who often had not had such space, privacy and sense of ease. People who remembered the Depression and the war. You know all this, but willfully ignore it.
My friend’s Dads who often were blue collar union men, they were proud, they felt their lives had meaning, they gave their wives and kids things their own fathers stuck in crowded inner city conditions or TOILING on family farms, did not and could not. It’s fun for you guys of today to play around with hobby farm stuff, but you would have been broken in a week if you had to live real farm life not that long ago. The safe neighborhoods where kids could run at will, popsicles and slamming screen doors, it was great. And it’s gone now. A lot of forces worked together to bring that all down but part and parcel of the Destructionism that has gotten us here is guys like you. You were shit-talking that lifestyle early on. You actively, personally, worked to de-value it and change public perceptions and the entire American paradigm. The horse, pulling the car. Subtle.
I was raised by a single parent long before it became the norm and was only able to get in on this lifestyle on the fringes, but that doesn’t mean those who were fully immersed in it didn’t love it too. Based on what we all knew it didn’t SEEM like a good idea at the time (as per your theory) it WAS a good idea. It “failed” but not organically. Like I said people worked diligently and snobbily to bring it down. The aesthetic collegiate types tore at it intellectually, the more Chamber of Commerce types stretched the boundaries through excess – McMansions with great rooms and so on.
What the F do you think Make America Great Again means anyways? Why do you think it reached deep into people’s hearts and minds. We’ll never know if “American Ingenuity” could have solved the problems inherent in that exact suburban way of organizing society because shitting on the whole thing was just a whole lot easier. If you scream Malls Are Bad for a couple decades it may actually take the fun out of them, become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Oh look, thouhsands of dead malls. WHAT eyesores. What stupid Americans.

If there’s one thing I’m getting fucking sick of is this snobby and relentless “friendly fire” type of bashing on average Americans from other Americans who are pretty goddam average themselves. If all y’all can do to feel good about yourselves is to shit on the American Dream and your fellow countrymen just to get a mental lift, then you are a sad fuck. Also, untruthful –
Supper Clubs, bowling leagues, CHURCH, Boy and Girl Scouts, bridge clubs, sewing circles, on and on – it all existed within suburbia, it didn’t die from it. Maybe social cohesion died the same way it’s dying now, through relentless belittlement. Well-written derision. Social cohesion died for other reasons than flat-roofed buildings and cars. The ideology that killed it was carried by *snobs* like mosquitoes carry malaria. Upper middle class snobs have done more internal destruction to the US than anything else. There’s more than one way you can live and breathe the “Deplorables” mind set.
Live in a trailer park and in over crowded cheaply built, thin-walled, zero-privacy rentals and then you can maybe get a handle on what is ugly and demoralizing. It’s wrong to sit on a hobby farm in the rolling hills and begrudge someone with less their own small plot. You can think it’s ugly, and look down your nose, but keep it to yourself.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  WayfaringStrang3r
October 15, 2019 2:57 pm

JHK is a talented observer, and writer. It is quite natural for him to communicate because that is what he is good at. It’s okay for you to disagree with him on anything you would like, but your own snobbery is showing when you label him a snob.

RT
RT
  WayfaringStrang3r
October 15, 2019 3:51 pm

Wayfaring, snob is Exactly the right word to describe Kunstler. I have followed his work for years, not because I agree with it, but to keep tabs on what the elite are thinking, so as to keep far away from it. Your comment was spot on in every respect.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
  WayfaringStrang3r
October 15, 2019 4:08 pm

What you are describing is called Critical Theory (criticize everything good about Art, Capitalism, Christianity, Marriage, Family, Nationalism, etc; praise everything that is degenerate and ugly); it is a subdivision of Cultural Communism (Marxism). Both of ya’ll do a good job. The real social destructive mechanism has been Modern Liberal Racist Reconstruction (Affirmative Discrimination, forced Integration/Diversity, the Meritocracy replaced with a Socialist Kakistocracy).

Lars
Lars
  robert h siddell jr
October 15, 2019 8:58 pm

Frankfort School, jewish infiltration and subversion. Without addressing the JQ, we fall short.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Lars
October 15, 2019 9:42 pm

LARS..
Exactly.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  WayfaringStrang3r
October 15, 2019 6:26 pm

Speaking only for myself here: There is a price, a consequence, for every human action. The post-WW2 boom had a hefty price. It convinced the working poor that they could achieve today what in actuality would have been better realized by their children if they had pinched every penny. Among other things, the 30 year mortgage compounded the problem.

They pulled forward happiness/demand today at the cost of bulldozing arable land; generating enormous amounts of waste; building cheap, short-lived structures; inspiring rapid growth of government; and on and on.

That nostalgia for suburbia that you possess now has a chicken coming home to roost. The more complex the system, the more painful the entropy shall be.

Those “hobby farmers” will likely be the only thing keeping you from starvation when this sucker goes down. It won’t be your suburban neighbors; they’re nothing more than a whole lot of other mouths to feed on 10,000 square foot HOA parcels. In 1980, our economy had 3% employment in agriculture. It’s less now given the temporary productivity increases of an increasingly unsustainable, complex system of systems.

How, exactly, do you plan on filling this gap without a JIT system that was created to feed suburbia?

S18-1000
S18-1000
October 15, 2019 11:11 am

I have this one bookmarked, and bring it up when talking with my friends from college; many who are civil engineers. They *HATE* some of the buildings they have to help design. This video is twelve years dated, but directly related to the article above.

BL
BL
  S18-1000
October 15, 2019 11:26 am

S18-1000-Shades of “The Fountainhead” by Rand.

S18-1000
S18-1000
  BL
October 15, 2019 11:51 am

Could you elaborate? I have read “Atlas Shrugged”, but have not gotten to “The Fountainhead” yet.

BL
BL
  S18-1000
October 15, 2019 3:51 pm

S18- Basically, it is a novel written long before the oppressive gov. regs that F’up today’s structures in which the architect main character takes a stand against the establishment to be an individual and not be forced to create buildings he loathed. Many years since I read that book. Being a Rand fan is not popular around these parts, IDK why, I like her books.

Lars
Lars
  BL
October 15, 2019 9:57 pm

As is Jim Kunstler, Alisa Rosenbaum aka Ayn Rand was a jew.

In my academy days I devoured all of her books. “We The Living” was especially compelling as it drew from her own experiences in Bolshevik Russia. The ponderous objectivist expositions in Atlas Shrugged were a bit much for my teen-aged brain, although, even at that age, I thought it contained many nuggets of intellectual gold. I liked The Fountainhead because Roark seemed like the consummate stud and irredeemable bad ass, character traits which appealed directly to my post-adolescent hindbrain.

Anyway it was my impression that Rand imbrued all of her fictional male heroes with hyper-masculine, distinctly Aryan qualities. Yet the man she married for life, Frank O’Connor, was a homosexual artist, and each had extra-marital lovers with the other’s knowledge and acceptance.

Just as Kunstler will never address the impact of jews and their pervasive debt money system in America’s economic downfall, neither did Rand, unlike Alexander Solzhenitsyn, ever address the issue of jewish leadership and control of the Bolsheviks.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Lars
October 15, 2019 10:24 pm

her family was impoverished by the bolsheviks–being jewish herself,it probably didn’t occur to her that the commies were a jewish creation–
was solzhenitsyn jewish,i’ve never heard it mentioned?

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  TampaRed
October 15, 2019 10:40 pm

No.

Lars
Lars
  TampaRed
October 16, 2019 6:05 am

Sorry. My last sentence was awkward. I didn’t mean to imply he was jewish. His last books, 200 Years Together, address in great length the role of jews in the top echelons of the Bolshevik movement and the muder of tens of millions of Russians. International jewry has made English translations nearly impossible to find.

BL
BL
  Lars
October 15, 2019 10:45 pm

Lars- I am prolly the only person here who has “The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution” at the top of the list. Her lectures were mostly based on that book and I think it was the announcement from the Bolshies of what was to come for the US. They always tell you if you have the eyes to see.

SeeBee
SeeBee
  BL
October 16, 2019 6:49 pm

The Virtue of Selfishness and the Romantic Manifesto are up there too. Along with For The New Intellectual and Philosophy: Who Needs It?
The spiritual element is lacking in Objectivism. Otherwise, it’s been a great education.

M G
M G
  BL
October 15, 2019 12:27 pm

I liked Roarke..
Wasn’t that the Protagonist name?

M G
M G
  M G
October 15, 2019 12:52 pm

Nutshell?

Architect refuses to compromise. Evil people ruin him.

He stands on principle while corruption tries and fails to destroy him.

Donkey
Donkey
  M G
October 15, 2019 1:42 pm

Yep, and if I remember correctly (I read all 600+ pages), Rourke burned one of (last one?) the buildings he designed down because they changed the design against his will.

M G
M G
  Donkey
October 15, 2019 2:51 pm

They cut corners to save construction costs, the bastards.

I didn’t like Fountainhead but was told I needed to read all three of Rand’s novels to get “Objectivism.”

I read them all but am still not willing to claim Objectivism as a superior philosophy.

EC
EC
  M G
October 15, 2019 4:21 pm

Objectivism is the opposite of Collectivism. Objectivism would appeal to business majors.

“Sell a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man how to fish, you ruin a wonderful business opportunity.” – Karl Marx

M G
M G
  EC
October 15, 2019 6:11 pm

I GET that… I just think Rand’s extreme stance on many of the philosophy’s tenets make it rather cold and calculating? posits? propositions? What is a philosophy composed of?

Her heroines are rather rough and ready, if you ask me.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  M G
October 15, 2019 6:37 pm

Rand went wrong by arguing that both God and Government must be removed in order to unlock humanity’s maximum potential. She was quite right on a lot of things. She was wrong in thinking that an atheistic Age of Reason could exist in perpetuity. It’s as quixotic as Collectivism.

Ken Levine made a hell of a game called Bioshock where he explored what could happen when Man was completely unleashed.

Nevertheless, Atlas Shrugged is second only to the Bible in terms of the books that have had the most profound influence on my thinking.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  M G
October 15, 2019 6:52 pm

if rand’s estate would allow a talented writer to condense her books & take out some of the morally objectionable issues so that she would appeal to the masses we could turn the country around in a heartbeat–

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  TampaRed
October 15, 2019 7:16 pm

It wouldn’t matter. Collectivists would never accept anything less than complete command and control of every individual.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Articles of Confederation
October 15, 2019 8:30 pm

aoc,
we’re in a civil war but it’s far less likely to get hot if the collectivists realize they’re far outnumbered as compared to a roughly 50/50 split–
however,i’m just dreaming,the people get what the people deserve–

EC
EC
  BL
October 15, 2019 4:13 pm

Bea, have you seen Big Red? I think your exposure of her association with the gaslighter in chief got to her.

M G
M G
  EC
October 15, 2019 5:27 pm

I distinctly remember you being informed the nickname Big Red is reserved for use by permission of Big Red only.

EC
EC
  M G
October 15, 2019 6:01 pm

I am not addressing her as Big Red, I am referring to her as such.

We talk behind your back to avoid hurting your feelings. – Doc Pangloss

TampaRed
TampaRed
  EC
October 15, 2019 6:57 pm

tred is not a her except when identifying as a male lesbian,which only occurs when there is a hot lesbo in the vicinity–
big red is another personality —

EC
EC
  TampaRed
October 15, 2019 10:03 pm

Uh, we know the difference, quit worrying about yourself.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  M G
October 15, 2019 6:54 pm

thank you mg–

mark
mark
  TampaRed
October 15, 2019 8:01 pm

Tampa – Off subject – you were curious about Junk Silver in another thread – check this out…this is about the best out there at this time:

https://sdbullion.com/silver/junk-silver/90-constitutional-junk-silver?utm_medium=375917_SDB_3DAYSALEJUNK&utm_source=email&dm_i=46K9,8225,1S6N96,UCUF,1

TampaRed
TampaRed
  mark
October 15, 2019 8:44 pm

thanks mark,
with those prices,wouldn’t a guy be better off putting away real supplies to trade 4 the other guy’s precious metals?

mark
mark
  TampaRed
October 15, 2019 9:21 pm

Tampa,

Without a doubt if you don’t have, shelter, water, food, arms/security, etc. taken care of I would take care of all the basics first.

Just remember:

Gold is the money of Kings
Silver is the money of Gentlemen
Barter is the Money of Joe Sixpack
Debt is the yoke of serfs and slaves and the EBT crowd

I figure you for at least a Prince.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  mark
October 15, 2019 9:39 pm

Meat is the money of all the above.

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Hardscrabble Farmer
October 16, 2019 9:42 am

and lead is a last resort.

James the Deplorable Wanderer
James the Deplorable Wanderer
  overthecliff
October 17, 2019 12:58 pm

Lead will be the option of choice, far sooner than any of us wish

TampaRed
TampaRed
  EC
October 15, 2019 6:53 pm

tampared has been sick & mostly absent lately,what are you talking about ?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  TampaRed
October 15, 2019 7:02 pm

mygirl…maybe.

She may secretly want to stare at the ceiling with EC for all I know.

EC
EC
  Articles of Confederation
October 15, 2019 10:02 pm

That reminds me of a song by Paquita le del Barrio:

TampaRed
TampaRed
  EC
October 15, 2019 10:27 pm

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  EC
October 15, 2019 11:18 pm

HAHAHAHAHA TMI!

BL
BL
  EC
October 15, 2019 9:04 pm

EC- I have not seen her about, maybe I should not have related that she was a secret weapon of the Russians. Was I a bit untoward?

TampaRed
TampaRed
  BL
October 15, 2019 10:31 pm

i really have been sick,have i missed something or are you just playing games with those of us who have 2nd tier brains?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
October 15, 2019 10:34 pm

EC- I’m working like a Turk on some business this week, if all is well could be very profitable so won’t be around much to help locate Red. Good luck, but remember…..be careful what you go looking for, you might just find her. 🙂
BL

EC
EC
  S18-1000
October 15, 2019 5:30 pm

What architecture? Bauhaus gave us the minimalist designs we see everywhere.

Donkey
Donkey
October 15, 2019 12:06 pm

Do you know what happens when there are too many rats in a cage?

the experienced
the experienced
  Donkey
October 15, 2019 12:47 pm

There is some truth to the rat syndrome but at the same time people in Europe live a lot closer together than Americans do and at least in years past had a lot less violent crime.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  the experienced
October 15, 2019 2:21 pm

less blacks

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  the experienced
October 15, 2019 2:22 pm

Because they had debtors prisons and guillotines. Add the 8th Amendment and you get Detroit.

BL
BL
  Donkey
October 15, 2019 3:53 pm

NEWS FLASH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Flash mob of 200 yutes have gone out of control in Philly.

BL
BL
  Donkey
October 15, 2019 4:00 pm

Donkey- There is a famous study with rats in a high rise rat building. Once the population got out of control things got really interesting. Some rats (Called the beautiful ones) removed themselves and became very antisocial and spent all day grooming and admiring themselves, others became very violent and aggressive. The study was to see what the effects of high rise government housing would bring……..problem is the rats are on a higher intelligence level that human ghetto dwellers.

Donkey
Donkey
  BL
October 15, 2019 4:07 pm

I think I read a similar study about 30 years ago.

EC
EC
  BL
October 15, 2019 4:23 pm

Well, we have the Kardashian women selling grooming products and we have Kanye selling hate rap. Next study, please.

M G
M G
  EC
October 15, 2019 5:30 pm

Speaking of the Landscape of Despair… did you know there is a Las Marthas contest in Laredo? For more than a hundred years!

https://itvs.org/films/las-marthas

EC
EC
  M G
October 15, 2019 5:44 pm

Most of the girls in my grade school were named Rosa, Maria Elena or Esperanza. Martha was usually an outlier and a little mouse of a girl was named Magdalena. She obviously had been through a lot in a short span of time with that whore’s name.

the experienced
the experienced
October 15, 2019 12:22 pm

Funny how Jim Kunstler talks about architecture. His last name is German and translated into English means “artist”.
He compares European architecture to American architecture but fails to note that what we consider beautiful European architecture was mostly created before the USA existed. The modern western societies are derived from the ancient Greco-Roman culture. There is however a huge difference between the US and Europe. When the Greeks developed the gymnasium, it consisted of the oval sports arena in the middle of the complex surrounded by a huge building of classrooms. They combined the physical education of the body with the education of the mind. These two have split. When you ask for the gymnasium in America you’re taken to the sports complex of a school. When you ask for the gymnasium in Germany, you are taken to the high end of school education that includes at least the basic two years of American college. German schools do not have sports teams and sports competitions And German colleges and universities do not have sports at all. At the same time college and university tuition is minimal in Germany. And one reason is the lack of costly stadiums and sports teams.
Another example of the huge difference between European and US culture is the way of buying a car. In America people typically drive through huge lots filled with cars for sale and pick one that looks “good “. In Germany we used to study the tec specs of the various models in one class very closely and compare their prices to see which car would fulfill our wishes the best at the best price for the quality. Then we would factory order the exact option list we desired and wait for that car to be build. At one time in history Germans had to wait nearly a year until that factory ordered Mercedes was built and they did so without much complain and this wait did not hurt Mercedes at all – something completely unthinkable in America.
America has driven materialism to its pinnacle and at the cost of fathering. And this even happened in the churches to a large degree.

the experienced
the experienced
October 15, 2019 12:41 pm

I need to add to my earlier comment that crime and delinquency is not a result of architecture but in part a result of a poor diet as Weston A Prize has documented in his book “Nutrition and Physical Degeneration ” already in 1935.
America in general has the worst diet on the planet and is also the sickest nation on earth, which includes mental illness.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  the experienced
October 15, 2019 2:25 pm

Agree with poor diet for most Americans brought on by government guidelines but crime is proportional to amount of blacks.

EC
EC
  Anonymous
October 15, 2019 5:47 pm

Are you black, Anon?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
October 15, 2019 6:14 pm

It’s not like the govt. was alone on the poor dietary bullshit. Big Ag and Big Pharma own govt. Perhaps they have BECOME govt. In any event, dimbulb Ag monocrops, sticks food into vehicles, and gets subsidized for complete myopia.

And Boobus americanus, regardless of race, love them for it.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Articles of Confederation
October 16, 2019 7:13 am

and 90% of them would have no clue what aoc is saying here,even though he’s 100% correct–
as i was writing this i started thinking that 4 it’s vast size,the automotive industry has/had little power compared to other industries/interest groups–
because they’re concentrated in a relatively few congressional districts/states?

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  the experienced
October 15, 2019 4:54 pm

Crime and delinquency in Europe are the result of importing hoardes of africans and middle easterners who will not and never will assimilate. Part of the grand plan. Camp of the Saints type stuff. Agree on diet though, have been a fan of Weston A Price for awhile. Drink your raw milk. Of course in most states it is illegal.

EC
EC
  ILuvCO2
October 15, 2019 5:48 pm

Are you drinking it straight out of the udder, cow tipper?

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  EC
October 15, 2019 6:19 pm

Ha, The only nipple I suck on is my wife’s. Raw titties work too…. Got plenty of cows in cow hampshire up here though. Which reminds me, HSF, need some more chicken feet. Trade you for some bone broth.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  ILuvCO2
October 15, 2019 9:40 pm

i’ll save you a bag.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  ILuvCO2
October 15, 2019 6:36 pm

it ain’t illegal in many places if you say it’s 4 your pets–

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
October 15, 2019 2:27 pm

There will come a time when the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics renders this temporary flirtation with “build, Build, BUILD” null and void. We’re broke, we’re godless, and we can no longer afford to build monuments (or malls) to ourselves.

There will come a time when it becomes necessary and proper to replant town hall parking lots with food in raised beds. I won’t shed a tear when the dimbulb zoning administrators are ordered by the farmer to build those raised beds lest he go hungry.

“He that will not worke shall not eate.”

nkit
nkit
October 15, 2019 2:57 pm

Kunstler’s book titled “The Geography of Nowhere” is an interesting read in which Jim goes into great depth concerning architecture in the USA today.

Undiscovered
Undiscovered
October 15, 2019 4:05 pm

In areas beyond the rimfire of urban sprawl and high-rise Gothams, enclaves are found. And therein amongst the cozy brick dwellings live the descendants of Irish and Danes, Germans and those of lines from old Jersey and the Isle of Man. There is wood smoke and old time religion, American flags, community pride, and the heart of nature.

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Where even the culverts are designed with pride.

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Was it a dream? Perhaps. But that once lost may still again be found. Keep going.

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M G
M G
  Undiscovered
October 15, 2019 5:32 pm

Lovely images!

EC
EC
  Undiscovered
October 15, 2019 5:59 pm

In areas before the blight of urban sprawl and high-rise Gothams, enclaves were found. And therein amongst the cozy forest dwellings lived the descendants of Chippewa, Mohican and Algonquin, Iroquois and those of lines from old Algonkian and the Iroquoian Homelands. There was wood smoke and old time religion, Native American flags, community pride, and the heart of nature.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  EC
October 15, 2019 6:23 pm

And fighting and death and torture and war and scalping, wait man, nothing has changed, has it? All leading to WWIII.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  EC
October 15, 2019 6:34 pm

…but then a superior civilization came to play.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  TampaRed
October 15, 2019 8:21 pm

…and then they diversified it and it died.

anarchyst
anarchyst
October 16, 2019 1:46 am

The author of this article is akin to the so-called “environmentalists” who would decimate by genocide 90% of humanity with the remainder confined to cities, living in soviet-style apartments, commuting to work by bus or bicycle, (no automobiles or unrestricted travel for the masses) while the pristine countryside would be off-limits to the masses of humanity. Only these carefully selected anointed “environmentalists” would have access to their country dachas, fresh food and the like.
Kunstler is a communist who is dead wrong.

overthecliff
overthecliff
October 16, 2019 9:34 am

Wouldn’t it be great if “liberals” moved to live with the niggers in the urban areas instead of the other way around. Die Versity is our strength.