Doug Casey on Trump… and an Impending Civil War?

Via Casey Research

Chris’ note: Chris Reilly here, managing editor for Casey Daily Dispatch.

A couple of weeks ago, I flew out to Aspen, Colorado to catch up with legendary speculator and bestselling author Doug Casey.

It was a fantastic trip. I asked Doug about everything from technology… to the economy… and the resurgence of gold.

Doug also shared his thoughts on President Trump… and more importantly, what could be in store for America.

Like usual, Doug didn’t hold anything back. Today, I want to share our discussion with you…

Read on for this week’s special Conversations With Casey…


Chris: Doug, you predicted that Trump would win the election long before most people even thought he had a chance. Now, almost three years in, how would you rate his presidency?

Doug: Well, on the one hand Trump is a good thing simply because he’s not one of the lunatic fringe Democrats. He’s a cultural traditionalist at heart; he wants to see the US return to the “Leave It to Beaver” days of the 1950s. That’s essentially why he was elected, and why he’s still so popular. Despite the fact he’s culturally conservative, he has no core values. He runs strictly on gut feeling. He has no central philosophy or intellectual beliefs. It’s just whatever seems like a good idea at the time. He knows a lot about real estate speculation on high leverage. But he knows absolutely nothing about economics.

Let’s look at the good and the bad things about Trump.

Cultural conservative. That’s good in a time when the US is in a state of cultural turmoil, where the old order is being overthrown – which it is. Not so long ago, the country that was composed of white Christian people of European origin; it was quite homogeneous. And if you’re going to have a country, it’s good to be homogeneous.

Since the late ‘60s, however, the US has been inundated with migrants from all over the world; it’s no longer homogeneous. It no longer has real cultural traditions, and the remaining ones are being abolished, like Columbus Day recently. Columbus is no longer the discoverer of America so much as the oppressor of native peoples.

One major change is that Americans no longer share a common religious tradition. Say what you want about Christianity – and I’m not a religious person – but it was something Americans could share, that they had in common. But it’s no longer a major element; the US is becoming like Europe that way. That’s important because Christianity provided a broad moral framework. Now there’s a vacuum. It may be filled by Mohammedanism, especially since so many migrants take that creed seriously. Churches will be replaced by mosques in many places.

There’s no longer any kind of trust in the culture in general. And certainly not in the government. The only thing that Americans still trust – the only institution they still have any respect for – is the military. And that’s extremely dangerous because as Edward Gibbon said, regarding the Roman Empire and their military, “any order of men accustomed to slavery and violence make for very poor guardians of a civil constitution.” Nonetheless, I don’t doubt one or both parties will put up a general as the Greater Depression reaches a climax.

Of course Trump loves the military, which is natural for a statist. But the good news about Trump is that he also apparently sees all the pointless foreign wars are just making lots of enemies while they bankrupt the country. He’s trying to get the troops out of the Middle East quagmire; better late than never, although he’s been very, very slow about this. If he finishes that, maybe he’ll get them out of the new quagmires that are building up in Africa, and then start closing the 800 bases around the world, which serve no useful purpose besides feeding the Deep State. I don’t believe he’ll succeed, however. Warmongers are in total control in Washington.

So let’s put it this way. Trump has some real pluses, but no philosophical center. Politically he’s a statist. Economically, he doesn’t have a clue. In fact, he’s looking for more money creation, and lower or negative interest rates. Which is going to add flames to an absolutely catastrophic depression.

I appreciate his trying to stem mass migration, so what’s left of America can retain its cultural core. But his efforts are like building a sand castle on the sea shore. The waves are going to wash it away for all kinds of reasons. A pity, really. Minneapolis will resemble Mogadishu, Miami might resemble Port au Prince more than even Havana, El Paso will be like Juarez, and Cleveland like Karachi. But things change. The colors of the map on the wall are running more than has been the case since the barbarian invasions of the 5th century.

Chris: What do you have to say about the political landscape right now as we head into the 2020 election season?

Doug: Trump’s acting as a catalyst for something resembling an actual civil war in this country. And I’ll draw your attention to the fact that the unpleasantness of 1861 to 1865 was not, in fact, a civil war. It was a war of secession, which is very different from a civil war. In a war of secession, one group simply wants to part company from another – not rule them. In a civil war, on the other hand, you’ve got two or more groups that are fighting for control of one government. That wasn’t the case in the War Between the States.

The American Revolution, of 1775-1783, by comparison, was both a war of secession and a civil war. About 1/3rd of Americans wanted to secede from the ruling British political power, 1/3rd were loyal to the Crown and fighting against secessionists, and 1/3rd really didn’t care. The Revolution was much more complex, and nastier, than is generally understood.

Keeping in mind the difference between a civil war and a war of secession, I think it’s possible that the US could have both – like we did in the Revolution. Why? Because people in the red counties and the blue counties really hate each other. They should, therefore, be politically separate. And that could be peaceable. But they’ll likely try to keep the union together, which means one group has to suppress the other group. They can’t have a civil conversation. Members of the same family can’t even talk politics or economics anymore. They’ve come to disrespect, even despise each other on a visceral level.

Trump is acting as a lightning rod for both groups.

Chris: I agree. It seems like we’re going to reach a boiling point here soon.

Doug: Yeah, that’s what happens before a civil war. They really want to kill each other. Neither group thinks rationally, just emotionally. And it’s essentially a moral divide, which doesn’t lend itself to calm intellectual resolution.

It’s worse than during the ‘60s, which was the last cultural revolution that we had here in the US. It’s much worse this time, even if so far it hasn’t been as violent. Recall that during the late ‘60s and early ‘70s the US had several thousand bombings. But things eventually calmed down.

Back then, however, we just had three major TV networks and some newspapers. Today there are thousands of channels of social media around to aggravate and abet discontent. With the old mass media everybody heard more or less the same thing – the hoi polloi just heard what the mass media told them. Today not nearly as many people watch or read mass media, and nobody really trusts it. Today it’s all about Facebook, social media, and the Internet. Much more unpredictable, and potentially explosive. They allow the public to communicate across the country and form groups… That was very hard to do in the 1850s. It makes a conflagration much more likely today.

But on the other hand, people are very comfortable today. Most people don’t have any guns today, and few know how to use them. You’ve got a whole generation that are financially burdened with student debt, everlasting car loans, credit card debt, no assets, and no marketable skills. A generation of people living in their parents’ basements who’ve been indoctrinated with collectivist ideas. Maybe they’re up for a revolution…

On the other hand, the whole country is getting older. We’re closing in on 25% of the country over 60 years old. When you’re over 60, you generally don’t want to go out and be a street fighting man anymore.

It’s hard to say if we’re even capable of a real civil war anymore.

Chris: Is there another possible outcome?

Doug: In my opinion the best option is for the US to break up into new countries, new regions – as outlandish as that sounds. Young chicanos in LA have zero in common with old white women in the Northeast. And they’ll have less than zero desire to pay 20% of their income to finance the old ladies’ Social Security and Medicare. The situation is similar across many groups and regions in the US today. They have very little in common any more.

Many are shocked when I say I’m against the constitution of 1789. We would likely have been much better off economically and every other way if the original colonies had just stayed in a somewhat improved confederation – which was all that was supposed to have happened in Philadelphia in 1789. They all shared a more or less common culture. They didn’t need to centralize all their power in Washington DC.

Eventually the US will break up. Nothing lasts forever, and that includes the US. People who think this country is going to be even remotely the same in 50 years – forget about 100 years – aren’t thinking clearly. They certainly don’t have a grasp of the way history flows. The very fact that whites of European extraction will soon be a minority – both in Europe and the US – tells you something big is afoot. The new majority don’t share language, religion, race, religion, values, or traditions with the old culture, or among each other. In fact they hold it in contempt – as do many whites.

The US could easily break up.

People say, “Well, what about our military, our defense?” The point I’d make is that the military is the second biggest thing, after welfare, that’s bankrupting the country. That’s number one.

Number two, they’re not defending the country. They’re actually drawing in outside attacks by going out and making enemies all over the world. The natives don’t like our soldiers in their countries any more than we’d like their soldiers in the US.

Number three, all our expensive high-tech weapons – F35s, B2s, aircraft carriers, and the rest of it… are basically junk. They’re going to be almost worthless in what resembles World War III, whatever that might look like. New technologies are going to totally obviate this crap, much more seriously than cavalry in World War I, which turned out to be worthless, or battleships in World War II.

When the military fails, it’s going to be a big disuniting influence for the US. Only a teeny-weeny portion of the American population knows anything about the military anymore. They’re isolated from it, even though they’ve been programmed to love and respect it. The military have, at the same time, become like a separate culture within the culture. Military guys hang out just with each other, not with civilians. Just like cops hang out just with each other, not with the people that they police. Most cops today, incidentally, are also ex-military. Another bad trend.

There’s a great deal more to be said about all this, but the purpose of this interview was just to touch on a few high points.

Bottom line? Trump has his hands full.

Chris: Good talk, Doug. Appreciate the time.

Doug: You’re welcome.

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not sure
not sure
November 2, 2019 9:51 am

Maybe we are too comfortable to wage a civil war. If it comes down to fighting for freedom, or maintaining the status quo, I think most of us would just quietly like to reside in our domiciles and watch someone else start the fireworks.

That goes for everyone who says “pass the popcorn.”

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
  not sure
November 2, 2019 10:20 am

When the Food Stamps stop, the FSA empties all the stores, turns NYC into a Dresden, and is attacking all your Diverse Blue neighborhoods, we told you so. Ya’ll liberals always voted against US and caused this so don’t expect a warm welcome in Red Fly Over Country from US Deplorables.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  robert h siddell jr
November 2, 2019 10:47 am

The NYC scenario will be repeated in a 100 other cities across the nation and it will not be pretty.

Tommy
Tommy
  not sure
November 2, 2019 1:00 pm

Have not posted anything for a long time…..but on this topic, a Civil war would turn everyone into their own private Senator. And Senators don’t like sending their children to die for others. Unless it reaches a point, oddly distinct to civil wars, where its deemed worthy. Maybe that explains the intensity of civil war. Sacrificing your own for a cause. Seems hollow now but apparently, with enough time, pressure, and anger we all become Senators of the worst kind?

anonymous
anonymous
  not sure
November 2, 2019 6:08 pm

Never happpen!

Georgia
Georgia
  anonymous
November 2, 2019 9:49 pm

Everywhere it “happens” that is exactly what they say….

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
  Vote Harder
November 2, 2019 10:38 am

I want to add in your face Police Piracy (Civil Forfeiture).

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Vote Harder
November 2, 2019 11:00 am

That last article is the one that totally frosts me. My first question was why did the SWAT team decide to use such massive force chasing someone who stole some clothing, then I remembered that if you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
The second thing that struck me was the court’s disregard for the property of an innocent person when the police used too much force against the person who perpetrated the crime.

My last question is when will Henry Bowman get his craw full and start fighting back against AGW?

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  TN Patriot
November 2, 2019 11:16 am
Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Vote Harder
November 2, 2019 11:25 am

As bad as all that activity is….isn’t it really more of a symptom rather than a cause? The cause being the centralization of authority in an increasingly small number of hands. The authoritarian left and their Remora like RINO enablers support the police state as a way to continue to amass power and control. There have always been willing thugs in a police state (Roman soldiers crucifying Jesus) but I hold the leadership accountable.

I would suggest you pull your perspective out a bit and look at the head of the snake……

We can debate who sits in the shadows above the DC/NYC elites (elected officials, bankers, CFR types) but they are there….and those top levels of the pyramid mean to enslave us and are damn close to doing it.

So like usual….I offer the challenge…..Now what?

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Martel's Hammer
November 2, 2019 12:10 pm

Don’t know why your comment got the down votes but, who cares. As to ‘now what’ seems to me one of the reasons humans have done as well as they have is because of adaptability. I can recall some folks who excoriated the German people for allowing a Hitler to come to power. Why let that happen? Well, what we have today in the US is very similar to pre WWII Germany. Many people liked the status quo, they disliked the Jews and if they went against the Nazi party they suffered consequences, in short, they couldn’t stop the power structure without destroying themselves and their families.

Bottom line IMHO is that things will have to play out, I don’t think we can stop the possible upcoming events (those events could be decades away or happen this week) so instead of worrying about them, take care of today, hope for the best, plan for the worst and, as a good friend reminded me yesterday, Put God in Charge.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Mygirl...maybe
November 2, 2019 7:12 pm

I guess the downvotes come from VH and his fanboys. Goring of sacred oxen is one of my natural predispositions. We should note that old VH did not provide a single recommendation for a course of action….deeply troubling. Great I think any American with an IQ over 15 at this point realizes we are in deep shit, so what to do about it.

splurge
splurge
  Martel's Hammer
November 3, 2019 2:21 pm

It is always much easier to tear down, easier still to suggest tearing down, than it is to suggest what comes after

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Martel's Hammer
November 2, 2019 2:19 pm

DHS was created for one major purpose and it wasn’t created by a Democrat. When I warned Republicans back then what would happen with it, I was laughed at.

They’re not laughing anymore. The problem is, they sucked a lot of good folks down with them. The only Republican OR Democratic POTUS I ever voted for was Trump. We 10% (at best) always knew what the problems were.

My response to “Now what?” is the episode of Duck Dynasty where Willie and Jase blew the beaver dam on private property. Phil spotted the fish and wildlife officer and quickly sneaked away. Willie and Jase stood there and were arrested.

Whatever you all decide to do or not do on both sides, just leave the 10% out of it. I want no part of these political shenanigans. We tried Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Ross Perot, and none of it worked. And it never will. Six Sigma teaches that 60% of folks are Settlers/Followers, 20% are Pioneers, and 20% are Stone Agers. While I don’t agree with those percentages, I agree with the principle.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Articles of Confederation
November 2, 2019 9:49 pm

I’m not a superstitious person, but what I see happening in the country at large is very much like a spiritual battle for the hearts and minds of people. Read the Bible and there are scores of passages where God abandons and destroys malefactors and evil doers, he especially goes after cities that engage in the perversions as described in Sodom and Gomorrah.

I am more and more convinced that what is happening with the leftist agenda is Satanic in motive and methodology. I see this as a battle between good and evil, and I’m not exaggerating when I state this.

Late term abortion? Turning little boys into catamites and displaying them on national television? Claiming that homosexuality is the preferred choice, denigrating the family, destroying the role of men in society and protecting certain cults and religions that promote treating women as chattel, allow for bestiality, child sex and a host of other perversions is only the tip of the iceberg.

The Globalists are Satanists, the Central Banks and mega corporations all follow Lucifer and secret societies do indeed exist. That which was called conspiracy theory is becoming fact as more information gets out. The Satanism is in-your-face, demonic possession is writ large.
When this is considered ‘art’ and held up as an example to be emulated….comment image

And when the opening ceremony of a train tunnel in Switzerland uses images such as this, then anyone who wants to deny the Satanic influences and push for control are willfully blind. comment imagecomment image

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Mygirl...maybe
November 2, 2019 10:21 pm

All of this is true. It is absolutely a spiritual battle and it involves children. Fr. Malachi Martin (a Jesuit, egads 22!) mentioned in one of his last interviews that the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart was indeed successful, and they (and apparently Kiev) will play a role here in some manner.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-25/clinton-silsby-trafficking-scandal-and-how-media-attempted-ignorecover-it

I cannot dedicate too many cycles to it because I lose my inner balance, my control over self. But I will be there for my country if it ever needs me. Hopefully it won’t. I am quite satisfied building hedgerows and matching wits with deer.

22winmag - w/o tagline
22winmag - w/o tagline
  Articles of Confederation
November 3, 2019 1:10 am

Sure DHS was created by a Democrat.

A Democrat King issuing his orders through a Republican pretender President.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Vote Harder
November 2, 2019 2:17 pm

Cops were militarized for a reason. Those in the highest positions of authority in both government and business know what’s coming. TARP’s purpose was to buy time for them.

22winmag - w/o tagline
22winmag - w/o tagline
  Articles of Confederation
November 3, 2019 12:24 am

I don’t disagree but it’s hardly just the highest positions of government.

Did you miss Goodwill Hunting?

Another mind-bender psyop movie out of Darpa HQ Cambridge, Boston MA.

Ruby Ridge
Ruby Ridge
  Vote Harder
November 2, 2019 2:28 pm

I have a current case under review with a local law firm. The County police invaded my home in July while I was upstairs in said house minding my own business. My doors and windows were wide open. They pointed a gun at my head with the red lights bouncing around on my forehead and all.
They were supposedly in search of a fleeing suspect. Get this…. of stealing a bike and threatening the owner. Of course it was a negro.
Anyways what I learned about was”exigent circumstances”. For all intents and purposes it renders the 4th Amendment useless.
Lock your doors and windows folks.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Ruby Ridge
November 2, 2019 7:14 pm

Never open the door to the Cops…tell them “I don’t answer any questions and hold up your lawyer’s number”…they really get pissed off but won’t enter the house in the vast majority of cases.

22winmag - w/o tagline
22winmag - w/o tagline
  Ruby Ridge
November 3, 2019 12:28 am

Wait… doors and windows open in a neighborhood with niggers and cops?

Either you’re jerking us off or the pigs did you a favor.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Vote Harder
November 2, 2019 5:01 pm

Better to have law enforcement with 10% Bad and 90% good, than NO law enforcement with 0% good.
An argument for NO lawyers would have my full support!

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
November 2, 2019 7:42 pm

Could we opt for the best of both worlds? How about everyone being armed with a couple of magistrates and sheriffs to clean up the big messes? And the irregulars train together from time to time?

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Anonymous
November 2, 2019 10:11 pm

Cops add very little value, they can’t do much to simply persuade the bad actors from committing crimes (that would be RAYCIS) and they most just raise revenue for their city. Like you say 10% are bad…I think it is more like 30% with 70% turning a blind eye.

Constitutional carry, militia, and posses….well we used to hang horse thieves…….

MTD
MTD
November 2, 2019 10:33 am

“People who think this country is going to be even remotely the same in 50 years – forget about 100 years – aren’t thinking clearly.” Frankly I doubt it will be remotely the same in about 5 years based on the general clusterfuck we see right now. I listen to some of the people I work with talk about their plans for when they hit retirement age 20+ years from now. I just smile and nod and realize what a clueless bunch of dipshits they are.

Ruby Ridge
Ruby Ridge
  MTD
November 2, 2019 2:34 pm

I agree with you. I think the 2020 election is really going to stir some sh*t up. And spark alot of succession talk. I for one would be glad to see California and New York et al. go.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
November 2, 2019 10:45 am

With regard to the Constitution, it was a contract that brought together 13 disparate colonies and created a small central government with LIMITED powers. The 10th Amendment summarizes the power of the government and who is in control.

The problem is the disregard the central government has for the Constitution and the massive behemoth it has become. The goal of any bureaucracy is to grow in size and power and we all know that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

splurge
splurge
  TN Patriot
November 2, 2019 11:15 am

Generally agree, but have always disagreed with Lord Acton’s notion about absolute power corrupting absolutely, to wit it is the corruption regardless of source or origin that corrupts absolutely. I have often thought him to be a satanist trying to sell everybody on the corruption of GOD.

Lawrence
Lawrence
  splurge
November 2, 2019 6:31 pm

Good point! But I’d think God is the exception. Perfection can do that while the rest of us face temptation.

Frank
Frank
  TN Patriot
November 2, 2019 12:30 pm

Think I mentioned it before – power only attracts the corruptible. Saner people prefer to follow a different path. Eternal vigilance was the price to pay for maintaining diffusion of power, and voters eventually fell asleep.

Ruby Ridge
Ruby Ridge
  TN Patriot
November 2, 2019 2:48 pm

I’ve been told that law students prepping for the Bar Exam are told that if the Tenth Amendment is ever among the answers on a multiple-choice question, they can immediately rule it out.

Future lawyers are told the Tenth Amendment is never the “right” answer.

Mike Maharrey / October 23, 2019

Lawrence
Lawrence
  TN Patriot
November 2, 2019 6:29 pm

That’s what the so-called Civil War was really about – ignoring the 10th Amendment.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
November 2, 2019 2:12 pm

Plenty of good thoughts in this interview. My top 3:

It’s worse than during the ‘60s, which was the last cultural revolution that we had here in the US. It’s much worse this time, even if so far it hasn’t been as violent.

Yup, much worse because the tempers are running cold, not hot like a summer riot. Personally, I’m years past the point of debate and just want to be left in peace, away from the crackpot Blues and Reds.

Eventually the US will break up. Nothing lasts forever, and that includes the US. People who think this country is going to be even remotely the same in 50 years – forget about 100 years – aren’t thinking clearly.

Dead-on, but there’s no point explaining this to Teams Blue and Red. We’ve got at best 10-15 years before a hot ember starts a wildfire.

When the military fails, it’s going to be a big disuniting influence for the US.

They’ll be lucky maintaining law and order in a dozen large cities. And that’s assuming the country boys don’t head home to defend their families.

M G
M G
  Articles of Confederation
November 2, 2019 9:22 pm

There are economic, sociological and political/international reasons why the world can not be at peace. This report I came across is interesting, even if it is just a “white paper” from some think tank of the 60s.

http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf

yahsure
yahsure
November 2, 2019 2:51 pm

These gold guys are always full of it. I guess they live in an alternate reality. I have a life so I won’t go through the article point by point.

Mushroom Cloud
Mushroom Cloud
November 2, 2019 3:01 pm

How can one not like yet another article about how Lazy Amerika is about to collapse?

I certainly agree that both sides legitimately hate each other. I read on here (and other sites) where people are constantly preaching how the sides are made up to divide us and are both controlled by the same group. That may be so, and I acknowledge that. That doesn’t change the fact that I (and I’m guessing most on here) absolutely despise the actions, thought process (lol), and lifestyles of the degenerate perverts that severely outnumber those of us who just want to look after ourselves and be left alone. As nice as it would be to believe that if I can accept their differences that we can all go out own ways and live our own lives, we all know this is bullshit, as their stupidity is directly effecting me every day of my life through the policy that is brought in to appease them. A single bedwetter may be pathetic on their own, but grouped together and combined with democracy, these life losers suddenly have a very strong voice, and they are almost always supported by the police, the media, and our politicians. They may be blindly following orders from TPTB, but they are still a problem that needs to be dealt with, regardless of the times. They don’t have any useful purpose for society now and they certainly won’t have any useful purpose in a functional society after the reset button is hit. Let’s not get soft and let compassion and weakness cloud our judgement when the cause turns into the effect. There will be no lasting improvement until these morally bankrupt individuals are made accountable for their actions. That’s my rant…

One more thing: I disagree with the assessment that someone that is sixty something is not likely to participate in any type of uprising. Why the hell not? Isn’t someone who has a pile of life experience, seen the lies first hand many times, and has not much more to live for the perfect soldier for this type of conflict? Or is it just young men who have families to look after that are expected to die to make the world a better place for the rest of us? Gut check time…

mark
mark
November 2, 2019 3:24 pm

There were some points I agreed with in this and others I would expand on, like this one:

“Most people don’t have any guns today, and few know how to use them.” That may be true in the blue bubbles, but not in flyover country and the jugular neck of the woods.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

One of the more prophetic paragraphs in this data:

“Many adults who don’t currently own a gun say they could see themselves owning one at some point. In fact, 52% of all non-gun owners – and 71% of those who have owned a gun in the past – say they could see themselves owning a gun in the future.”

When TSHTF, and I believe it will be sooner rather than later, the scramble for guns will resemble the scramble for water, food, safety/protection, and hard assets of every type…a STAMPEDE.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  mark
November 2, 2019 8:30 pm

Mark..
Bullets, beans and bandaides in that order will be the new money until the killing slows down.

mark
mark
  Fleabaggs
November 2, 2019 8:57 pm

Flea,

I am good to go in the big three.

My next big project is filling 10 buckets with freeze dried rib eyes and steaks to keep the beans company.

If I don’t eat’em maybe one day my daughter and her family will?

M G
M G
  mark
November 2, 2019 9:19 pm

Maybe… am wondering what you think of the banditobooks page. Guy is interesting, I’ll tell you. I’ve ordered his movie. I’ll let you know.

Carson
Carson
November 2, 2019 4:25 pm

The right could bring the left to its knees in 2 weeks without firing a shot. The right works this country…stop work… the end. They are the workers- the truck drivers, the farmers, law enforcement, fire fighters, pilots, port workers, merchant marines, mechanics, energy industry, etc. Two weeks and the left capitulates. Turn over your leaders and we will hold trials.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Carson
November 2, 2019 5:13 pm

It sounds good in theory, but humans are generally resistant to change. I would also say that most are centrist with perhaps slight — not tremendous — leanings to either left or right.

We will hit the Waterfall Event well before you’d encourage the majority of the centrist herd to espouse radical change.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Articles of Confederation
November 2, 2019 8:16 pm

AOC..
Yup. I give TBP as exhibit A.

Rob157
Rob157
  Carson
November 2, 2019 10:51 pm

And, they will do exactly the same thing as they have done for the last century while this pustule was festering…NOTHING.

Philly
Philly
November 2, 2019 6:42 pm

A few y ears ago both the Russian and French Secret Services told their governments the US would break up into three or four parts “soon”.

mark
mark
  Philly
November 2, 2019 7:21 pm

Philly,

Many started predicting that about the same time…as did some here…and I believe it will happen.

The US has to be taken out of major influence in the Middle East for prophetic reasons, and that break up/Balkanization seems likely in the first half of the 2020’s, no later than the middle.

When it’s over we will be so exhausted, and have so much grave yard dirt under our fingernails what happens in the Sandbox will no longer be of our concern or our ability to influence.

Superpower status will be long bankrupt and the self inflicted KIA & WIA American lists will be endless.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  mark
November 2, 2019 7:48 pm

Anyone who’s ever been “in the know” has known this for quite some time. It’s self-evident. Suffice it to say that talking about it in certain places is like the average Joes and Janes talking about football and manicures over lunch.

Perceptions change when you are privy to a bigger picture. Anyone who’s worked in the IC in any reasonable capacity, regardless of party, knows it.

It is why the Democrats push for gun control. They are terrified of SHTF while the peasants are armed. (That’s not to say ALL of them, like Master Beto, understand the true motive. But their leadership absolutely does.)

It is why the Republican Anglophiles — including Trump to a lesser degree — push for gun control. They are terrified of SHTF while the peasants are armed.

By their deeds ye shall know them. ANY politician in favor of any form of gun registration/control, including support for current laws in violation of the 2nd Amendment, do not have the best interest of the populares at heart. Please understand that I am a man of peace and do NOT have Mark’s, Flea’s, or 22’s tactical training. My wife does, not me. And I put my faith in men of those types to assist me in SHTF in a standard division of labor arrangement. So I am not grinding my axe here. I’m merely laying out the data as I see it, and based on the thoughts of men like George Mason who forgot more than I will ever know.

All you naysayers can attack me personally all you want. But I generally don’t talk about issues I am not versed on. TARP did nothing but buy the establishment time. Remember the tanks in the streets comment from Spanky Paulson, as relayed by (if memory serves) Kanjorski? He wasn’t kidding.

They bought themselves what they thought would be enough time. What was “enough time”? A two-term Hillary Presidency? I really don’t know. What I DO know is that you could take an engineer or scientist completely devoted to the scientific method, lock them in a room for a month with all of the macroeconomic, social, demographic, fiscal, etc. data that is PUBLICLY available, and they would come to the same conclusion as a few of us on here.

And yet I’m the one who’s not worried. LOL.

Voting is a COMPLETE waste of time within the CURRENT system. I’m not here to convince you, Dear Reader, of that. And unless you’ve walked the same road as me, you won’t convince me otherwise, either. Of that I am certain.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Articles of Confederation
November 2, 2019 8:32 pm

Aoc…
I’m flattered but Maggie has first dibbs. She wants me prowling her perimiter at night, assuming my inhalers hold up.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Fleabaggs
November 2, 2019 8:35 pm

It’s OK. My boss was an extremely talented sharpshooter. My recruiter was a sniper. The “Organizational Roles and Responsibilities” conversation has already happened. Different people have their different places. Folks know I am more or less a builder and am better at solving problems than I am at whatever their skill may be.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  mark
November 2, 2019 8:25 pm

Mark..
The thought of America being less important than Suriname just gauls Americans. Boo Hoo..

mark
mark
  Fleabaggs
November 2, 2019 8:47 pm

Flea,

I just want to be a cog in the remnant, busy digging some frag sumps in my family fighting markamo.

The only flag I’m flying is one of the ones we started with.

Sure do have a lot of Pine Trees on my place. This one flys the tallest.

An Appeal To Heaven Flag – 1775 | First National Flag

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  mark
November 2, 2019 8:59 pm

Mine.
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Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Fleabaggs
November 2, 2019 10:16 pm

I always wanted to run a coup in Suriname…though the weather sucks there.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Philly
November 2, 2019 10:15 pm

Come on up and join me in the American Redoubt….Eastern OR, WA, ID, MT and WY and soon Manitoba, Alberta and Saskatchewan (or new Montana as I call it). People are voting with their feet….POTUS is now a citizen of FL….

The wonder of it all
The wonder of it all
November 2, 2019 8:30 pm

Just reading all of the different posts reminds me of how apart we have become. Can the US break up-and survive? In my opinion- no.
Without all of us believing in the good old USA we are in trouble.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  The wonder of it all
November 2, 2019 9:04 pm

Homogeneity of views on border, culture, and language are necessary. Freedom of religion is fine so long as there is a prevalent religion among the aforementioned group.

Sorry man, can’t put that toothpaste back in the tube. Voting for Democrats and Republicans for the past 30 years is what caused this. Slowing a freight train down from a bridge that’s out still leads to doom.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Articles of Confederation
November 3, 2019 8:45 am

Interesting statement, Americans have been voting for GOP and DEM since 1860 and the Dems well before that. What changed in the last 30 years or is that the cumulative “”Progressive” changes are only now visible to the boiled frog?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Martel's Hammer
November 3, 2019 12:55 pm

To be sure, a two party system is less than ideal. Washington talked about it in his farewell address, and Madison bemoaned the dinner parties held by “interests”. The last 30 years, though, saw the peak of American Empire and the grand infrastructure improvements to support it. One could even argue it’s been the last 40 years so as to include the Dept. of Education’s disastrous propaganda.

If you go back and look through the Statutes at Large since 1792 (I have, I’m a numismatist and wanted to get the PDFs of every authorizing piece of legislation from thomas.loc.gov, now congress.gov), you’ll notice two things of interest. The first is that Reconstruction caused a massive increase in the amount of legislation passed since 1792, and it never slowed down. It started with roads and bridges and just ballooned. The second is that legislation became increasingly more complex and needlessly lengthy (from a citizen’s perspective) since WW2. I noticed it taking off like a parabolic curve around the mid-1980s when the Eagle program was enacted, but as a sidebar to my research.

It took longer and longer to read through thousands of pages of Statutes from one Congress to the next. I gave up around the mid-00s trying to read through all of the bullshit. You’ll also notice an alignment between both parties when cosponsoring the meaty Statutes. I can only assume that an army of staffers is writing the actual legislation because there’s utterly no way the volumes of laws could be written by a couple hundred lawmakers.

The wonder of it all
The wonder of it all
  The wonder of it all
November 3, 2019 9:33 am

Oh sure, and you believe the rest of the world will just sit by in peace and not claim a weakened USA. The world has changed dramatically since the 50’s Beat up the big guy to become the new big guy. Do it by creating internal dissolution

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  The wonder of it all
November 3, 2019 12:58 pm

There will absolutely be “intervention” by foreign powers. The two most prominent will be Russia and China. One of those will ultimately benefit the populares, but not as its primary mission. Russia has played a crucial role in every major conflict this nation has been involved from 1775 onward.

The other nations which hate us don’t loathe us for our “freedoms”. I wouldn’t worry about them. They’re going to be picking the corpse of Europe. When you make your bed hard, unfortunately you must sleep in a hard bed every night.

The internal dissolution was caused by internal malefactors, not by external enemies. Do you really think you can rely on those same malefactors to protect you or to fix this system?

The wonder of it all
The wonder of it all
  The wonder of it all
November 4, 2019 1:42 pm

Just like the Trojan horse, we had a pres bowing to other leaders, unaccounted for new immigrants, cyber security just waiting to shutdown infrastructures, all because others in the world are happy with us and want to see us prosper. We can just grow together and live in peace. No need to plant insurgents let them fall apart on their own. Get real news, with a just a slight hidden agenda. Population wise – 320 million out of 7 billion tech wise – looks like that advantage is gone. Leaders – oh yea, right

David Erickson
David Erickson
November 2, 2019 9:00 pm

“Because people in the red counties and the blue counties really hate each other. They should, therefore, be politically separate. And that could be peaceable. But they’ll likely try to keep the union together, which means one group has to suppress the other group.”

Doug Casey gets it. Too bad most other people don’t get it.

Uncola
Uncola
November 2, 2019 9:51 pm

Because people in the red counties and the blue counties really hate each other.

…Trump is acting as a lightning rod for both groups.

That’s a big deal. A very big deal. And right on schedule, no?

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Uncola
November 3, 2019 8:47 am

Trump is the Grey Champion from Strauss and Howe….doesn’t mean he is perfect but it does mean he will be the fulcrum on which this 4th Turning Crisis is decided.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  Martel's Hammer
November 3, 2019 11:24 am

Seems clear enough.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Martel's Hammer
November 3, 2019 1:09 pm

I agree. But what if he ends up serving as Titus Tatius instead of Romulus? It sure seems like there’s a power–sharing arrangement in our Executive right now, despite how it’s supposed to work. Just a thought.

Fourth Turnings have ended terribly for many, many former nation-states.

hoi polloi boy
hoi polloi boy
November 3, 2019 12:39 pm

They didn’t need to centralize all their power in Washington DC.

Power wasn’t really centralized until the adoption of the 17th Amendment, the beginning of the Federal Leviathan.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  hoi polloi boy
November 3, 2019 1:01 pm

hoi.
Right. The stealth amendment. Next was the 19th which meant 100 years of emotion based government.

DC HEWITT
DC HEWITT
November 3, 2019 1:06 pm

The founding principles of our nation are eternal and like all truth, will only survive in the hands of a moral and faithful people.

Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry
November 3, 2019 11:11 pm

We need 20,000 to 200,000 citizens to physically remove each and every member of the House and Senate who is a Democrat or worthless Republican. The best day to do so when President Trump gives his next State of the Union address. Most all members will be in session that week. Planes, trains, and automobiles fill with people ready to do what Thomas Jefferson said MUST BE DONE to save our country. He said it would be 400 years before having to do so. Sadly the timeframe is much shorty.

WHO AMONG US IS WILLING TO DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY?

DEATH and SLAVERY or FREEDOM and LIBERTY?

Truth sayer
Truth sayer
November 4, 2019 11:20 am

I’ve worked for every thing I own. I’ve paid my fare share of taxes, I used to watch leave it to beaver. From my view, liberals are absolutely disgusting useless unintelligent piss ant crybaby’s Who will never amount to anything more than smart phone zombies wishing they all had done something for themselves. I’m telling ya I would rather have a Civil War than lift a finger to help a snot nose liberal out of the gutter ! They put themselves in the gutter. That’s where they belong. God didn’t put real men and women on this planet to windup taking care of other people’s misfit children. Real people who work and aspire to be something out number the Shit for brains Lackluster liberals, and eventually the little pricks will get tired enough to get on with their pathetic lives…..

Hans
Hans
November 11, 2019 1:31 pm

I am sure there is more about DC, but this sums it all for me.

https://www.stockgumshoe.com/reviews/the-casey-report/