How To Avoid Civil War: Decentralization, Nullification, Secession

Authored by Ryan McMaken via The Mises Institute,

It’s becoming more and more apparent that the United States will not be going back to “business as usual” after Donald Trump leaves office, and it is easy to imagine that the anti-Trump parties will use their return to power as an opportunity to settle scores against the hated rubes and “deplorables” who dared attempt to oppose their betters in Washington, DC, California, and New York.

Certainly, this ongoing conflict will manifest itself in the culture war through further attacks on people who take religious faith seriously, and on those who hold any social views unpopular among degreed people from major urban centers. The First Amendment will be imperiled like never before with both religious freedom and freedom of speech denounced as vehicles of “hate.” Certainly, the Second Amendment will hang by a thread.

But even more dangerous will be the deep state’s return to a vaunted position of nearly untrammeled power and obeisance from elected officials in the civilian government. The FBI and CIA will go to even greater lengths to ensure the voters are never again “allowed” to elect anyone who doesn’t receive the explicit imprimatur of the American intelligence “community.” The Fourth Amendment will be banished forever so that the NSA and its friends can spy on every American with impunity. The FBI and CIA will more freely combine the use of surveillance and media leaks to destroy adversaries.

Anyone who objects to the deep state’s wars on either Americans or on foreigners will be denounced as stooges of foreign powers.

These scenarios may seem overly dramatic, but the extremity of the situation is suggested by the fact that Trump — who is only a very mild opponent of the status quo — has received such hysterical opposition. After all, Trump has not dismantled the welfare state. He has not slashed — or even failed to increase — the military budget. His fights with the deep state are largely based on minor issues.

His sins lie merely in his lack of enthusiasm for the center-left’s current drive toward ever more vicious identity politics. And, of course, he has been insufficiently gung ho about starting more wars, expanding NATO, and generally pushing the Russians toward World War III.

For even these minor deviations, we are told, he must be destroyed.

So, we can venture a guess as to what the agenda will look like once Trump is out of the way. It looks to be neither mild nor measured.

If the effort at preventing any future Trumps succeeds, it will signal essentially the final victory over so-called “Red State” America.

And then what?

In that situation, half the country may regard itself as conquered, powerless, and unheard.

That’s a recipe for civil war.

The Need for Separation

So long as most Americans labor under the authoritarian notion that the United States is “one nation, indivisible” there will be no answer to the problem of one powerful region (or party) wielding unchallenged power over a hapless minority.

Many conservatives naïvely claim that the Constitution and the “rule of law” will protect minorities in this situation. But their theories only hold water if the people making and interpreting the laws subscribe to an ideology which respects local autonomy and freedom for worldviews in conflict with the ruling class. That is increasingly not the ideology of the majority, let alone the majority of powerful judges and politicians.

Thus, for those who can manage to leave behind the flag-waving propaganda of their youths, it is increasingly evident that the only way to avoid a violent conflict over control of the national government is breaking the United States up into smaller pieces. Or at least decentralizing power sufficiently to allow for meaningful autonomy beyond the reach of federal power.

As I’ve noted in the past, this notion has long been gaining steam in Europe, where referendums on greater local autonomy are growing more frequent.

And conservatives are increasingly seeing the writing on the wall. Among the more insightful of these has been Angelo Codevilla. In 2017, Codevilla, writing in the Claremont Review of Bookslaid out a blueprint for local opposition to federal power and noted:

Texas passed a law that, in effect, closes down most of its abortion clinics. The U.S. Supreme Court struck it down. What if Texas closed them nonetheless? Send the Army to point guns at Texas rangers to open them? What would the federal government do if North Dakota declared itself a “Sanctuary for the Unborn” and simply banned abortion? For that matter, what is the federal government doing about the fact that, for practical purposes, its laws concerning marijuana are being ignored in Colorado and California? Utah objects to the boundaries of national monuments created by decree within its borders. What if the state ignored those boundaries? Prayer in schools? What could bureaucrats in Washington, D.C., do if any number of states decided that what the federal courts have to say about such things is bad?

Now that identity politics have replaced the politics of persuasion and blended into the art of war, statesmen should try to preserve what peace remains through mutual forbearance toward jurisdictions that ignore or act contrary to federal laws, regulations, or court orders. Blue states and red states deal differently with some matters of health, education, welfare, and police. It does no good to insist that all do all things uniformly.

And by 2019, the need for separation was becoming more urgent. Last week Codevilla continued in this line of thinking:

[A]fter the 2020 elections ordinary Americans will have to deal with the same dreadful question we faced in 2016: How do we secure and perhaps restore our fast-diminishing freedom to live as Americans? And while we may wish for help from Trump, we have to look to ourselves and to other leaders for how we may counter the ruling class’s manifold assaults now, and especially in the long term…

The logical recourse is to conserve what can be conserved, and for it to be done by, of, and for those who wish to conserve it. However much force of what kind may be required to accomplish that, the objective has to be conservation of the people and ways that wish to be conserved.

That means some kind of separation.

… [T]he natural, least stressful course of events is for all sides to tolerate the others going their own ways. The ruling class has not been shy about using the powers of the state and local governments it controls to do things at variance with national policy, effectively nullifying national laws. And they get away with it.

For example, the Trump Administration has not sent federal troops to enforce national marijuana laws in Colorado and California, nor has it punished persons and governments who have defied national laws on immigration. There is no reason why the conservative states, counties, and localities should not enforce their own view of the good.

Not even President Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would order troops to shoot to re-open abortion clinics were Missouri or North Dakota, or any city, to shut them down. As Francis Buckley argues in American Secession: The Looming Breakup of the United States, some kind of separation is inevitable, and the options regarding it are many.

It is notable that Codevilla’s strategy is not marked by grandiose gestures of independence or a yearning to re-create the glorious military victories of the days of yore. Such were the mistakes of the Confederates in the mid-nineteenth century.

Interestingly, Codevilla’s more sensible approach shares quite a bit in common with the strategies recommended by Hans-Hermann Hoppe in his essay “What Must Be Done.” The idea is to assert local control and refuse cooperation with federal policymakers. But with restraint. Hoppe writes:

It would appear to be prudent … to avoid a direct confrontation with the central government and not openly denounce its authority or even abjure the realm. Rather, it seems advisable to engage in a policy of passive resistance and non-cooperation. One simply stops to help in the enforcement in each and every federal law. One assumes the following attitude: “Such are your rules, and you enforce them. I cannot hinder you, but I will not help you either, as my only obligation is to my local constituents.”

Consistently applied, no cooperation, no assistance whatsoever on any level, the central government’s power would be severely diminished or even evaporate. And in light of the general public opinion, it would appear highly unlikely that the federal government would dare to occupy a territory whose inhabitants did nothing else than trying to mind their own business. Waco, a teeny group of freaks, is one thing. But to occupy, or to wipe out a significantly large group of normal, accomplished, upstanding citizens is quite another, and quite a more difficult thing.

Some will be unable to break out of the mindset that the United States must forever be governed by a singular national policy. They will insist any attempt at decentralization of this sort must necessarily result in violence.

Writing at The American Conservative, Michael Vlahos, for example, appears unconvinced that violence can be avoided. But even he concedes the violence is unlikely to take the form of mass bloodshed as seen in the 1860s:

Our antique civil wars were not bound to formal rules, yet somehow they held to well-etched bounds of expectation. American society today has very different norms and expectations for civil conflict, which certainly will constrain how we fight the next battle.

Today’s America no longer embraces a national landscape of an industrial-lockstep battlefield (think Gettysburg, D-Day). Our next civil war — as social media so eloquently reminds us — will enact its violence on a battle campus of equal pain, if less blood.

Many devotees of perpetual federal supremacy, of course, won’t admit even this. Any attempt at decentralization, nullification, or secession is said to be invalid because “that was decided by the Civil War.” There is no doubt, of course, that the Civil War settled the matter for a generation or two. But to claim any war “settled things” forever, is clearly nonsense.

It is true, however, that if the idea of a legally, culturally, and politically unified United States wins the day, Americans may be looking toward a future of ever greater political repression marked by increasingly common episodes of bloodshed. This is simply the logical outcome of any system where it is assumed the ruling party has a right and a duty to force the ways of the one group upon another. That is the endgame of a unified America.

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M G
M G
December 5, 2019 7:58 pm

Mark? Was that Civil War Two book the right one?

mark
mark
  M G
December 5, 2019 8:43 pm

Maggie,

Yes…I made a comment when I saw you posted it…outstanding find!

I immediately saved it.

Just saw your suggestion about commenting on it – have my Daughter and her family here, just popping in and out on TBP for quick scans.

I would guess maybe 75% – 80% of his 1996 predictions are on target and he stated Civil War 2 would start soon after the 2020 election.

I disagree with some of it especially his predictions about the South, he is an upstate NY guy and does not know the Deep South, but overall it was a fascinating read back in the day. Helped motivate me to prep for Civil War a long time ago.

I work on reinforced hidden fighting positions on my 14 acres all the time. All the tree lines are being ringed with them.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  mark
December 5, 2019 9:22 pm

Mark.
Don’t forget to set out the toe poppers once it starts.

mark
mark
  Fleabaggs
December 6, 2019 10:01 am

Flea,

And the 2X6’s & 2X4’s sprinkled with pine straw, with the nails driven through them…flipped over in seconds.

One under every window and in front of all porch approaches, and covering the paths in the woods.

http://oathammo.com/shotgun

http://www.defensearmortech.com

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  mark
December 6, 2019 10:50 am

Mark.
The Tango looks sufficiently painful.

mark
mark
  Fleabaggs
December 6, 2019 11:15 am
Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  mark
December 5, 2019 10:54 pm

And I would say you’re right about his predictions. If anything, you’re being conservative. The very reason I even use the term “Southern enclave” is because of his book. And I’ll be damned if he wasn’t right about the very counties in middle and eastern TN that are enclaves.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
December 5, 2019 8:03 pm

At some point, it is going to be more than the common folks against the Fed Gov.

It’s going to include the deplorables against all the freaks, welfare recipients, SJW’s, liberal colleges, judges, cops, bankers, Federal Reserve, you name it. Once things start to unravel, there’s not going to be a clear line separating one world view from another. It’s going to be hundreds of views against hundreds of opposing views.

From my perspective, violence is a certainty, probably instigated by gov’t in an attempt to head off violence. Cops and troops in the streets is going to signal the start of a war.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Solutions Are Obvious
December 5, 2019 8:20 pm

I think it starts when the EBT cards do not get loaded or the money on them is not enough to buy a 12 pack of Natty Lite. The moochers will go searching for food, alcohol and smokes. Those who are unarmed will be overwhelmed by gangs of roving animals. Armed resistance will be bypassed with the idea of coming back later. It is easier to attack a defenseless target. Urban centers will die first.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
  TN Patriot
December 5, 2019 8:26 pm

Once it becomes apparent that lawlessness is a fact and the ‘authorities’ are not in control, the average decent person will arm himself with whatever is available and any dirtbag attempting something is going to end up dead; not injured, dead.

There are many more decent people than the filth in the society, and with sheer numbers, the good will prevail. The ghettos will burn because the inhabitants will torch it. Then they’ll venture out into unknown territory out of desperation. That’s when they get picked off.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Solutions Are Obvious
December 5, 2019 8:46 pm

“Once it becomes apparent that lawlessness is a fact and the ‘authorities’ are not in control, the average decent person will arm himself with whatever is available and any dirtbag attempting something is going to end up dead; not injured, dead.”

It will be too late for a lot of folks to find suitable protection from the animals. I pity the poor souls who live in “gun free” urban centers in anti-2A states/cities.

I live near Memphrica and by the time they reach the suburbs, the folks will be ready for them. when they get to my neck of the woods, the pack should have been thinned considerably.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  TN Patriot
December 5, 2019 11:28 pm

Fuck, I’d rather go without than have to endure natty light. I’ve got 3 years supply of organic nicotine
vape to keep me sane. The wife has more with her coffee addiction. The moochers will be met with resistance from us and the neighbors. Stay away from urban centers.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  ILuvCO2
December 5, 2019 11:40 pm

No shit. Fuck Natty Light, that puke-in-a-can was relegated to the first two years of college. What a mess. If SHTF, I may end up picking up the Skoal again after all these years of cold turkey.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  ILuvCO2
December 6, 2019 10:52 am

What is natty light?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Fleabaggs
December 6, 2019 11:24 am

Panther piss. The Thunderbird of beer. The only thing “light” about it is your weight when you shed 5 lbs. in the latrine after a night of partying.
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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Fleabaggs
December 6, 2019 11:47 am
gilberts
gilberts
  ILuvCO2
December 6, 2019 2:40 pm

Bought my own tobacco seed to grow my own. Also, got a brewing outfit for beer. Producing a batch this weekend. Also stock a supply of booze for trade purposes. And stock a supply of coffee, too. Tried growing my own tea and coffee, but they just didn’t do well here. Might try again once I get my greenhouse up.

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Solutions Are Obvious
December 6, 2019 10:25 am

SAO, so right. Fighting the government is very hard and dangerous. Fighting the others will be more effective in the long run. Follow the government enablers home.

gman
gman
  Solutions Are Obvious
December 6, 2019 11:44 am

“It’s going to be hundreds of views against hundreds of opposing views.”

indeed, and some of those on the right pretty much just hate everyone and they intend to take action. they have 30,000 cartridges of ammo and they talk about one-shot one-kill, and they mean it. so watch your back.

anarchyst
anarchyst
December 5, 2019 8:19 pm

A good start would be the nullification of all federal, state and local firearms laws. No more federal, state or local encroachments with NICS , 4473 forms and even NFA “permissions”.
Next would be the nullification of all “civil rights (for some)” laws and statutes and the restoration of true “freedom of association”.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
  anarchyst
December 5, 2019 8:27 pm

Once it starts, no one is going to give a shit about any laws.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Solutions Are Obvious
December 5, 2019 11:30 pm

Not on a caribbean island anyway. No slam by the way. Maybe I am jealous loading the woodstove up here.

AC
AC
  anarchyst
December 5, 2019 9:19 pm

This is pretty representative of the people in government:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7752125/How-CIA-scientist-Sidney-Gottlieb-becamethe-prolific-torturer-generation.html

You shouldn’t harbor any illusions that these people will do the right thing. Ever.

AC
AC
December 5, 2019 8:40 pm

“Decentralization, Nullification, Secession”

This is literally the exact opposite of what TPTB have planned.

KaD
KaD
December 5, 2019 9:38 pm

The new Trump order allows states to decide if they want third world refugees.

Contact your state’s governor and say that you do not want your state receiving refugees.

Find your governor’s contact info: https://www.usa.gov/state-governor

More on the slimy refugee resettlement racket lobbying now for refugees. These a-holes profit from taxpayers by resettling refugees:

Refugee Council USA Provides Handy Toolkit for Refugee Advocates

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  KaD
December 5, 2019 11:32 pm

Catholic Charities are complicit. Don’t ever give to them.

M G
M G
  ILuvCO2
December 6, 2019 4:38 am

I was in a sandwich shop in one of these little towns around here and the local Catholic church was distributing doodads to kids promoting their fall festival. I picked up a couple of doodads and asked if I could give a donation in a friend’s name. They wrote down Nick from New Jersey (seriously, ask your minister or priest to pray for Nick from New Jersey and Mrs. Freud… it amuses God) and REFUSED to take any money, telling me their prayers did not require money.

I was really touched and came home telling Nick we should go to that church for mass sometime. I told him how they would NOT take a donation after I told them the touching tale of the big lumberjack looking dude from NJ who whacks off so much his wife had to have heart surgery. (Kidding, just making Stucky laugh, and KS too, if possible.)

Nick told me there was no way they were real Catholics if they wouldn’t take my money.

Ivan
Ivan
  ILuvCO2
December 6, 2019 9:46 am

Lutheran Family Services as well, it’s how the somalis got to minnesota and north/south dakota.

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Ivan
December 6, 2019 10:32 am

Sorry, stepped on your comment, Ivan.

overthecliff
overthecliff
  ILuvCO2
December 6, 2019 10:31 am

Lutherans as well.

David Erickson
David Erickson
December 5, 2019 9:53 pm

Excellent article. I recently joined a Facebook group Red-State Secession (facebook.com/groups/PoliticalDivorce), which incidentally posted this same article yesterday. People on the right had better start getting serious about implementing an actual solution to the political problem in this country, i.e. secession, before it is too late, instead of simply whining and complaining about the left all the time which is the only thing most of them do. Whining and complaining isn’t going to do you any good when you are in a concentration camp.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  David Erickson
December 5, 2019 10:56 pm

If that group is out there on LifeLog/FB, then rest assured TPTB aren’t worried about that particular group or its affiliates. Or, conversely, they are allowing it to exist so that they can “study” it, shall we say.

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve
  Articles of Confederation
December 6, 2019 9:50 am

Exactly. FB was always the creation of government. How easy to get images, current location, and known associates of users.

And we, or rather they, freely surrender that information without a warrant or even a request. All so they can see baby pictures, funny cat memes, and occasionally scantily clad women.

Joining any anti-Big Brother FB group is just a bad idea. Look at the Chinese video posted here a few days ago. That is what they would do to all of us.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Dirtperson Steve
December 6, 2019 9:52 am

And I would bet you a pot o’ gold, Steve, that 95% of TBPers use LifeLog. Very very sad, and no, that history is never “deleted”.

(Sidebar: Combine the above statement with some of the posters on here who are likely active in the QAnon racket. Think they’re marked?)

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Articles of Confederation
December 6, 2019 10:23 am

“They” are now trying to paint you as a freak if you are not on these social platforms.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Harrington Richardson
December 6, 2019 11:26 am

Yeah, they are. But I have a whole lot of fun with those conversations. In these dark times there’s nothing more enjoyable for me than forcefully shoving a red pill down someone’s throat and watching them torn as to whether or not I really am a freak, or if I just dick-slapped them. It drives my wife nuts, so added bonus there.

piearesquared
piearesquared
  Dirtperson Steve
December 6, 2019 1:21 pm

And you think you aren’t being tracked here on TBP? Everything you do on the Internet or on a phone is tracked and logged. Every e-mail you ever sent, every text you ever sent, every phone call you ever made, every comment you ever made on TBP or any other site is known. How can you single out Facebook like it is something unique? If you have a cell phone your location is always known, even if the phone is off. They can track you by your phone much easier than by your use of Facebook.

Ivan
Ivan
  David Erickson
December 6, 2019 9:48 am

You seriously think facetube is the answer???

walk across the road and meet your neighbors

are they like minded?

gilberts
gilberts
December 5, 2019 10:52 pm

The author’s idea we can all do our own thing is tempting, but it’s also a failure from Go. The Left didn’t spend the last 100+ years trying to collectivize us and consolidating all powers at the fedgov level, only to accept national dissolution now. The root concept here is essentially the Republicanism of old, where we were free to have 50 different solutions to our problems and you free to pick which one best suites you. They won’t embrace a system which leaves power at the local level; it invalidates their goal of collectivizing everyone under the red banner.

I would like to see us separate from the left peacefully, but that won’t happen. The powers on both sides won’t accept half a nation. They’re going to fight every dirty way they can to win all the nation. The first thing they’ll do is take away federal highway funds. Then, they’ll start cutting off other funds. Then, they’ll probably consider calling out the military and arresting state leaders.

I wouldn’t want to accept half a USA, either. I don’t see any reason to let the libtards steal half the nation. I would want the whole thing. Also, you know they would only use any territories they hold to infiltrate our nation to foment unrest. I would rather win the whole thing and push them into the sea.

Me, if I were in charge, I would use the full power of the fedgov to interfere at all levels and force recalcitrant states to get into line. If California, for instance, thinks they can flout the law, i.e. illegal sanctuary, I would halt everything I had power to regulate. Cut off all fed funds. Since the fedgov claims oversight over any and all inter-state commerce, it literally grants them power over everything. They successfully argued that in the Depression when they took a farmer to court for growing his own food because his non-interaction in interstate commerce still fell under their oversight over interstate commerce.

I would shut down power, close seaports, train stations, air ports, schools, cut off telecomms and internet, close all fed agencies, and essentially everything that had any connection to federal money. California won’t be doing well when I cut off all fedgov transfer payments to their citizenry. The only info they would receive would be my messages to them directly over their cell phones’ federal emergency messaging function and the emergency broadcast system. I bet I could compel obedience within 24 hours. Any state leaders causing trouble could expect to be audited from here to eternity. I wonder if the fedgov could seize all state assets and cut off their SWIFT access?

Sound totalitarian to you? It does to me. I would love to see my state declare independence, but this is what anyone in DC will be considering.

But all this is moot, anyway. I don’t want to prevent a civil war. I want it to start as soon as possible so we can finally settle this issue. I don’t think we can lose right now, but we’re not far from the tipping point where demographics become insurmountable.

Donkey
Donkey
December 6, 2019 12:03 am

Some nice ideas.

Authority is a construct.

old white guy
old white guy
December 6, 2019 7:15 am

We are accepting that which previous generations fought and died against. There really is no cure for that level of stupid. We write and read billions of words all completely meaningless without action. We are subject to government every day of our miserable lives yet are too dumb to do anything about it. Something that has been inbred in current generations is cowardice.

Lars
Lars
  old white guy
December 6, 2019 5:25 pm

OWG, I would say that previous generations unwittingly fought and died for those very entities and forces that now beset us.

Ivan
Ivan
December 6, 2019 9:37 am

“His sins lie merely in his lack of enthusiasm for the center-left’s current drive toward ever more vicious identity politics”

Actually pelosi itemised his sins, or some of them, in her incoherent babblings when asked if she hated trump.

TC
TC
December 6, 2019 9:59 am

There are quite a few grassroots Trump supporters being prosecuted and jailed RIGHT NOW while Antifa are still mostly free to operate. Token GOP stooge being replaced by token DNC stooge in 2020 or 2024 won’t make a shit bit of difference to the average deplorable. That said, this guy must be watching John Mark and Curt Doolittle Propertarian videos because they’ve been talking about separation for quite a while.

overthecliff
overthecliff
December 6, 2019 10:36 am

Looks as if most here have resigned themselves to what is going to happen. Nerves are on edge getting ready. Something bad is gonna happen and we can’t stop it but we might finish it.

Shinmen Takezo
Shinmen Takezo
December 6, 2019 10:51 am

I have come to the conclusion that the “United States of America” is about as relevant to most people living in North America Moxie, buggy whips, Sears and Roebuck, Woolworth’s or AMC cars.

Unfortunately most conservatives are conditioned, like dogs to salivate upon hearing a bell ring, to wrap themselves in an American flag and pump their hands in the air while shouting ‘Murica’.

Stucky
Stucky
December 6, 2019 11:11 am

” ….. the only way to avoid a violent conflict over control of the national government is breaking the United States up into smaller pieces.”

The USA!USA!USA! currently has about 4,000 nukes. If we break up into smaller pieces ….. who has control of the nukes???. Not to mention the many BILLIONS of dollars worth of other highly destructive weaponry. Believe me, this is an important question.

Maybe the weapons are divided equally amongst the “smaller pieces”? Oh yeah, that’ll work out just great! (end:sarc) Talk about “violent conflict” …. President Al Sharpton (of the Kneegrow Confederation) will drop a nuclear bomb on Cracker Nation the very next time when President Quinn writes about the 30 Blocks Of Squalor. Not kidding, either.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Stucky
December 6, 2019 11:31 am

VERY important question. Solution is NOT obvious. Think USSR, but without the “protection” of vacuum tube technology to ride out in the case of grid down and subterfuge.

My tl;dr: Bruce Buenos de Mesquita’s work on Game Theory and humans’ tendency toward self-preservation. Anyone opening that can of worms would be obliterated by the RoW. POTUS Al Sharpton and his entire DNA would find itself here:
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God bless you, sir, and your better half. Rooting for you.

Paula
Paula
  Articles of Confederation
December 6, 2019 3:30 pm

who the hell downvoted this

gilberts
gilberts
  Stucky
December 6, 2019 2:37 pm

I think the govt would maintain control over those for as long as possible. Russia attempted to maintain control over the nukes even as the USSR was being dissolved and they were evacuating their troops from the newly-independent states.

If I were in charge, and I was watching the states dissolve, I would be consolidating nukes in as few places as possible as fast as possible, dismantling them, putting the pits in the most secure storage possible, and maximizing my control over those areas with as many loyalists as I could. Control over the nukes and other wonder weapons would be the jewel in the crown of the rump fedgov. To deter Russia and China and others, I would keep the boomers out at sea as much as possible for as long as possible. No way they can go seccesh if they’re out of contact for months at a time. Average people might starve, but loyalists in charge of wonder weapons will be the last ones to go hungry.

In 1999 in Empire Wilderness, Robert Kaplan described a potential future where the fedgov fades away, not from war, but due to its increasing irrelevance as states and communities move beyond its capacity to control them. He pointed out how some communities are, or were, making special development deals with foreign nations and setting up special enterprise areas to spur high tech industries to set up shop. He also pointed out how urban and suburban flight was leading professionals with families increasingly to living in gated security neighborhoods.

He foresaw a US where the fedgov occupies a sort of legacy public space, but most people live and shop and work in privately-organized, privately-regulated areas outside fedgov control. Imagine working on the Google campus, then commuting to your company apartment, then shopping at a members-only stores in your gated community (or online-the book is 20 years old). At no point are you really in a “public” space. You’re practically in private spaces the whole time where your behavior is controlled by companies and committees and you might never see a real police man, but lots of private security. Your presence is conditional on your good behavior, good work history, good credit, etc. You interact with your own class of urban professionals, rarely see crime or public disorder, and everything is Disneyland-style clean and safe (and boring).

There’s little for fedgov to do in this realm and they become less and less relevant to anyone inside these boundaries. They’re relegated to running the parks, the military, international relations, and making lots of red tape. Even these powers are eroded, thanks to communities setting up direct relationships with foreign nations and corporations. It was an interesting book.

But this hasn’t exactly happened, either. I think Kaplan did a good job, but nobody could have predicted how the 2000s would turn out, the rise of the national security state, and the massive economic disaster that would be looming over the whole thing. Kaplan’s previous works on the future of the terd world are more likely here.

Billah's Wife
Billah's Wife
  Stucky
December 6, 2019 7:34 pm

Well, lookit you!!! I stopped by ter tell yer I got Billah’s old hunting camper cleaned up and almost all of the petrified dog turds out of the sink. We bleached all the dishes Billah’s mom let the cats eat out of and fumigated the refrigerator so you can feel safe eating anything in there now. Well, unless you happen to come across anything that looks like a bottle of apple juice because Grammie had a catheter and let’s just leave it at that for now.

I miss Admenstruator’s trips down the 30 Blocks. It made me feel better about where Billah and I ended up.

There ain’t no pictures of us in here but this guy here interviewed a bunch of people around here, including Billah’s Uncle Chester over at the pool hall. Uncle Chester don’t play pool no more but he sits and makes sure nobody uses too much chalk and he kind of referees the games. Nobody listens to him much, so it was really exciting when this fancy student from a fancy college up the road at Bowling Green. I bet BL can tell you all about it… there’s a big game Saturday and Billah said we could get a keg and sit out in the parking lot at Diddle Arena and have a tailgate party since we are kind of famous now and the Hilltops are playing Arkansas in the Big Game this week.

https://www.visitbgky.com/listings/western-kentucky-university/225/

https://wkusports.com/news/2019/12/6/mens-basketball-tops-welcome-undefeated-arkansas-to-diddle-arena-on-saturday.aspx

Oh, we’re famous because we were interviewed by Anthony Harkins, a student from the very prestigious University of Western Kentucky. The article he wrote is called “Hillbillies,Rednecks, Crackers and White Trash” and being part of his study elevated Billah and me into some pretty high society circles. Billah actually bought a bottle of wine with a cork in it for our anniversary.

I don’t know how to work the buttons like yer highly tech savvy posters and commenters here but I will give you the first bit and the link. If EC’s Panglossian construct shows up, maybe he can interpret it for you monkeys.

Me and Billah have done hit the Big Time!

Hillbillies, Crackers, Rednecks, and White Trash

The myriad labels for poor and working-class white southerners have long been used as pejorative putdowns an~ embraced as markers of regional and cultural identity. Although ver-nacular usage almost certainly goes back in time much further, appear-ances in print of the dominant terms for these people on tlte social and economic fringe date back to at least the 18th cen-tury. The term “cracker” first appeared in the 1760s whereas “P90r white trash” (often condensed to “po’ white trash” or just “white trash”) began to appear semiregularly in the 1830S, used first by African Americans to refer to nonslave-holding whites and then by wealthier whites as a means of stigm~tizing and there’s a lot more but I don’t see any reason ter brag…

https://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=history_fac_pubs

Cult of the Caravaneros
Cult of the Caravaneros
  Billah's Wife
December 6, 2019 8:37 pm

About as timely a study as The History of Disco and just as relevant. If this is what counts for college learning, it’s time for a beer run to get a keg of Natty Light.

Cult of the Caravaneros
Cult of the Caravaneros
  Billah's Wife
December 6, 2019 9:06 pm

OTOH is might be a corollary to Empire Wilderness, a book I heard about recently. That book describes the national adoption of HillBilly values of independence and self-reliance with a healthy distrust of the central government.

gman
gman
December 6, 2019 11:42 am

“How To Avoid Civil War: Decentralization, Nullification, Secession”

attempting those things won’t avoid civil war at all, they’ll accelerate it. the left is a parasite slaver cult that can’t get or do anything unless someone else gets or does it for them. they won’t let you decentralize, or be independent, or be secede, because they can’t do that and survive. “the nation that will not serve you shall be destroyed” – there’s no option, it’s all or nothing with them.

gman
gman
December 6, 2019 11:54 am

“That’s a recipe for civil war.”

well it’s hard to have a civil war if the opposition can be each individually identified and individually cut off from all financials and thus any ability to buy food, water, power, gasoline, and rent, while the supporters can be supplied with endless welfare payments.

if such a “civil war” were attempted, what would it look like?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  gman
December 6, 2019 2:50 pm

Read Harold Covington’s The Brigade for one possibility.

http://northwestfront.org/northwest-novels/

Lars
Lars
  Anonymous
December 6, 2019 6:40 pm

Covington had a remarkable gift for story telling and was an avid like-long student of “colonial” wars of seccession. His novels portray in compelling detail and from different points of view how such a war could be successfully waged in the Pacific Northwest.

One of the several tenets he espoused repeatedly throughout his dramatic yarns was that it would be the enemy’s accountants, not the generals, who would decide when to let go. Another was that White men seem to need permission from a revered higher authority before they will take violent action.

Covington often ranted that White Man’s most critical need for now was not a matter of ability, intelligence, knowledge, wealth, or weaponry, but simple basic character: His capacity for plain old-fashioned physical courage, now buried somewhere deep in his soul from too many years of soft living and jew-induced cultural degeneracy, must be recovered.

Once the “Saxon begins to hate” and White Man’s fury is unleashed, there will be no stopping him.

Jdog
Jdog
December 7, 2019 12:35 pm

At this point I do not believe anything can prevent civil war. Liberalism is absolutly incompatible with freedom, natural rights, and the principals the country was founded on. The only way to save our freedoms and our ownership of our own lives, is to eliminate liberalism, and that will not happen peacefully.

Jai Seli
Jai Seli
December 7, 2019 4:28 pm

LOL – How avoid THE COMING very UNcivil war?
I reprise:
I consider myself to be a “first year Boomer”, ’46. What I like to declare as the year “the wholesale bleeding ended and breeding started”. As a drafted ‘Nam VFW, ’69, and former int’l vagabond/expat for many years, I haven’t experienced/seen it all but more than enough to know this “nation-state” is headed for a very serious FUBAR. Considering the current state of such blatant corruption, selective enforcement and turpitude, I’m daily increasingly grateful to be old and, as of this posting . . . “a little closer to Home”.

As such, I will reprise until totally blocked/ignored:
Mark your calendar. Nov 4, 2020 may very well be the commencement of such social/political and financial chaos, ultimately dwarfing what began in 1929 – if said “General SELECTION” actually comes to pass.
IF:
1) The DemonRATs & Co rig enough of the election process/ballot tabulation to SEIZE POWER – there will [eventually] be WAR.
2) The Trumpster and conservatives somehow again prevail against all odds, causing the DemonRAT’s Soros-subsidized DummyBrat chump-changers to go bat-schiff crazy – there will [quickly] be WAR.
3) The PRIVATELY-held [NOT]Federal[NO]Reserve’s MOAP – ‘Mother of All [pyramid] Ponzis’ – finally implodes, as all pyramid ponzis eventually do – there will be WAR.
WAR is the ultimate distraction/grifting tool used by the int’l banksters/financial [d]elites to “exit, stage left”/bug out to their remote, undisclosed, well provisioned/secured digs from which they will again proceed to fund ALL the belligerents and . . . then the REBUILD with FIAT DEBT, “FUNDED” into circulation on the “AUTHORized sigs of the pleb borrowers – the coupon/interest portion, of course, remaining UNfunded recycling their next pyramid ponzi and eventual asset xfer.
I still continue to maintain that history will eventually identify the GENESIS of the GreatER Depression to be 2007-08. That the PRIVATELY-held [NOT]Federal[NO]Reserve will “QE to infinity” with its interest-encumbered FIAT DEBT currency/electronic digits “’till the fat lady croaks/the golden goose’s bones get picked clean”. Whenever additional injections of “liquidity” will no longer “cover” the coupons/interest on the burgeoning debt/bonds/paper; calls for physical delivery on precious metal contracts/ETFs go unsettled and the subsequent cascade of derivative defaults occurs, the greatest MOAP – ‘Mother of All Ponzis’ – in recorded history EVER, will implode. Then . . . there will be another big-ass WAR.
yo fellow “fly-over deplorables”: hunkered-down, gathered/grouped, gunned, gardened and . . . SIMPLIFIED on a portion of arable, inland, rural, UNencumbered/UNaddressed county dirt yet, BEFORE those most brutal/toughest remaining of the unprepared, displaced, desperate zombie “citYzens/urbies/coasters” “come-a-call’n” and it’s “unlock, fire at will, pass the ammo” time? Tick-tock.
Psst – TheLord’s “Blessing/Will from the Beginning” is being revealed: FELLOWSHIP of the REPENTed/REDEEMed. When/where “two or more GATHER . . .”, What/Who “abides”?
MAGA – Make America GRATEFUL/GRACIOUS ALWAYS.
NO FEAR/HATE – parry past all the corp-owned media bull-schiff.
“JC, always before of me”! Hoo-rah.