Trump’s Point of No Return

Guest Post by Tom Luongo

When I wrote that the coup against President Trump had morphed into a Civil War, I wasn’t kidding. The sham impeachment created the perfect environment for the Democrats and Republicans to get something definitive from him by playing the House and the Senate off each other.

With the Senate Neocon Occupied Territory the escalation of belligerence since Speaker Nancy Pelosi pushed through the impeachment vote has been serious.

First, there was the rider to the NDAA which upped the sanctions on everyone willing to work on Nordstream 2. Then Lindsey Graham pushed the frankly insane DASKA bill through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Pelosi forced her impeachment vote through the House on partisan lines. Then, clearly overstepping her authority, she refused to send the Articles to the Senate hoping to add a more serious charge, like Obstruction of Justice or Treason for laundering Russian money through Deutsche Bank.

It is under these circumstances we should view the events in Iraq over the last week, especially the killing of IRGC Quds Forces Commander Qassem Solemaini.

Because I’ve warned from the beginning of this impeachment, Trump was just 17 votes in the Senate away from conviction. And failure on his part to respond to an attack on our troops now or our soil, the embassy in Baghdad, would have been enough to turn that many against him and install Mike Pence.

At the end of the day we are held captive by a minority of power-mad Trotskyites without any capacity for forgiveness or humility. They believe in societal order through the whip and the sword.

Truly Maoist in their thinking, the only political power that exists comes from the barrel of a gun. This is why there has been zero opportunities for diplomacy with Iran.

Iran is to be destroyed. If not today, tomorrow. If not then then the day after. It will not end.

And any potential diplomacy was sabotaged at every turn. Peace can only happen through subjugation. Demands placed on Iran after Trump’s disastrous decision to exit the JCPOA were nothing short of regime change, arch neocon Secretary of State Mike Pompeo saw to that.

A man like Solemaini would never submit to this. And yet, fighting a war against the Empire is always reduced to terrorism to sell it to the public.

Like it or not Trump executed the man most responsible for the systemic destruction of ISIS and neutering of Al-Qaeda in Syria and Iraq. He’s also a man, over the years, who has fought the U.S. to a standstill across the Middle East.

Those were his pertinent crimes.

The results of these fights were to empower Israel’s enemies in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. Russia and China supported this in their own interests. Turkey came to realize it was being used.

There was no way around that. It was a direct consequence of winning the battle to preserve Syria from becoming a failed state.

And that is a goal any rational person should wish for.

This is the most dangerous escalation of Trump’s administration. Nothing he’s done to this point compares with killing Solemaini and taking immediate credit for it.

Nothing he’s done is more tone deaf or disproportionate to whatever crimes were the proximate cause. And nothing he could have done would be more galvanizing of resistance to U.S. occupation of Iraq and Syria.

Trump, to his credit, held back the neocons at critical junctures over the past couple of years. After the Russian ELINT plane was shot down, Trump worked with Putin to negotiate a truce which would have seen Iranian forces in Syria pulled back from the Golan Heights as a start to changing the dynamic there.

Benjamin Netanyahu said no, all Iranians out of Syria. The war between Israel and the Shia forces backed by Iran continued. The path to peace could have begun then if Trump had the moral courage to force that outcome.

But the neocons at home had him under suspicion of treason. His National Security staff wouldn’t allow that to happen. If he hadn’t pulled out of the JCPOA and left room to negotiate we wouldn’t be here today.

But he did. And we are downstream of this bad decision. It’s been one escalation after another and a series of increasingly dangerous confrontations. This doesn’t end with Iran going meekly to bed, folks.

They aren’t disobedient children, but they aren’t animals either.

Killing Solemaini was presaged months ago with the U.S. designating the Quds Force a terrorist organization, which gives the U.S. unilateral legal cover to summary execution of anyone affiliated with them, especially if they are not on home soil.

But, at the same time, Trump assassinated (note the difference) members of the Iraqi Popular Mobilization Forces in the raid as well, since these are considered members of the Iraqi military and the attack occurred on Iraqi soil.

So, in simplistic and, I believe, legal terms Trump committed an Act of War against Iraq. Iran obviously considers killing Solemaini, legal definitions aside, such as well.

This is an act Trump cannot walk back. He can’t ask Iran to come to the negotiating table now or ever. It’s an act of overt war. Whether it leads directly to forces facing off in high level combat is debatable. It will certainly continue escalating from here.

Israel has been itching for the U.S. to attack and destroy Iran’s nuclear R&D facilities. The only way to achieve that was to get Trump to pull out of the JCPOA, forcing Iran back into enrichment and then using that as the casus belli.

Welcome to 2020.

And the sad truth is that it means more killing, more murder and more of everything bad. There is no Just War rationalization for this. While no one rational wants to see Iran with nuclear weapons the end result of the policy led us to that potential outcome.

No rational person should want anyone with nuclear weapons and yet Netanyahu sits on hundreds of warheads.

Beating people into submission doesn’t work. The neocons told Trump to smack Iran in the mouth, that’s the only lesson these animals understand.

By the way, they say that about everyone.

Solemaini may have been responsible for hundreds of American deaths, but Iran and the U.S. have been at war for forty years. At some point that has to be processed honestly.

Americans supporting this refuse to comprehend that we’re as much to blame as Iran is for the violence. We’re not the good guys and they aren’t the bad guys. Everyone sucks here. For every Iranian that shouts “Death to America” there are Americans who sing “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Bomb, Bomb Iran.”

Trump was elected to end this belligerence but he’s incapable of separating strength from weakness. A mafiosi-type who uses violence indiscriminately, Trump is a weak man.

This was indiscriminate in that Trump believes the political calculus is in his favor, so he can get away with it. He shores up his support in the Senate just long enough to beat the impeachment and can sail to re-election.

But, who he is was written on the bombs he threw at the Al Shairat airbase and the MOAB he dropped in Afghanistan in April 2017 to prove a point to Putin and Xi he wasn’t a wimp.

But he is a wimp. And a coward. And neither man was impressed by this. He hasn’t won a single negotiation of note in three years. Killing Solemaini was the result of having no capacity for diplomacy.

China’s won the trade war. Russia gets their pipelines. Syria will be returned to Syrians and Iraq will reject U.S. presence there. Venezuela won’t fall and North Korea has nukes. Nothing has changed and yet everything has.

A strong man admits his mistakes and makes concessions to those he’s harmed. He doesn’t hide behind how unfair it is the political machine is arrayed against him.

And, now, he’s a failed president no different than Obama who he despises.

The only thing more pathetic than Trump right now is the gaggle of jackals running against him. Weep for the future.

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anarchyst
anarchyst
January 4, 2020 7:36 pm

Q: What is israel’s favorite war song?
A: Onward Christian Soldiers.

TC
TC
  anarchyst
January 5, 2020 10:33 am

Probably one of their least favorite books too. 🙂

Pequiste
Pequiste
January 4, 2020 8:10 pm

Excellent analysis – everyone has lost in this assassination gambit, everyone that is, except the radicals and warmongers.

I also appreciate Mr Luongo’s correct use of the appellation “Trotskyites” in delineating the lunatic left in America.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
January 4, 2020 8:19 pm

Like it or not Trump executed the man most responsible for the systemic destruction of ISIS and neutering of Al-Qaeda in Syria and Iraq.

Yeah I know, he killed terrorists faster than the US could create them. Isn’t that cool!

So, in simplistic and, I believe, legal terms Trump committed an Act of War against Iraq.

No shit. He’s a fucking idiot and does not understand one thing about foreign policy, yet paradoxically he campaigned to do the exact opposite of what he’s doing in the Middle East. Can he even tie his own shoes?

Israel has been itching for the U.S. to attack and destroy Iran’s nuclear R&D facilities. The only way to achieve that was to get Trump to pull out of the JCPOA, forcing Iran back into enrichment and then using that as the casus belli.

The Trump administration is a ZOG.

No rational person should want anyone with nuclear weapons and yet Netanyahu sits on hundreds of warheads.

Why doesn’t Iran just convert to Judaism, then they can have all the nukes they want and get a 4 billion dollar welfare check paid for by US taxpayers, just like Israel?

Trump was elected to end this belligerence but he’s incapable of separating strength from weakness. A mafiosi-type who uses violence indiscriminately, Trump is a weak man.

He is acting like a chest beating neanderthal who is going through puberty.

A strong man admits his mistakes and makes concessions to those he’s harmed. He doesn’t hide behind how unfair it is the political machine is arrayed against him.

That’s the difference between a politician and a statesman. Trump is a politician.

And, now, he’s a failed president no different than Obama who he despises.

The Trump administration is a continuation of the Obama administration, and so forth.

The only thing more pathetic than Trump right now is the gaggle of jackals running against him. Weep for the future.

That’s true and is the exact reason why we are fucking doomed. The drunk on the street would be more qualified for the office of presidency than Trump and any of his counterparts. The US is now officially declared insane. Goodbye empire!

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Vote Harder
January 4, 2020 8:43 pm

Muslims and most tribal societies focus on shows of force, honor and are very quick to seize upon any display of weakness. So let’s see the American embassy is attacked by the Qods forces in Baghdad…..and their commander is still on the ground, in a foreign country directing the attacks and planning more…..what do you do big boy?

If you just throw a few Marines at the problem they may become captives, mortared/rocketed to death or simply be overrun by thousands storming the fortress-like embassy….you ready for that?

Of course, you aren’t because you like the simplistic device of bashing Trump as a jew dominated moron…..

But let’s hear from you and the other Trump basher….well what should he have done.

BTW Luongo is probably right about the machinations of the Deep State and designating the Qod forces as a terror group etc….but so what..they are combatants (terrorist depends on whose side you are on). And as Combatants, they are fair game when attacking us….

Trump didn’t start Iraq, but he certainly hasn’t left it either as he promised….kind of a standoff with the Deep State…and like any survivor, he is making the best of the hand he was dealt.

Basically there are no good solutions, he can’t withdraw as many here advocate the Deep State won’t let him and the Iranians will run the place (Thanks Shrub and Shrub Jr.!), there is no “Winning”….so what to do? Play the long game to survive long enough to make a significant change in policy….Yeah it sucks and its messy but what else should we be doing?

I am genuinely interested and please remember to address the very real constraints being imposed on Trump…..

Steve
Steve
  Martel's Hammer
January 4, 2020 9:37 pm

How do you think Iran having more power in Iraq would affect us as a nation? Maybe it’s a problem for Israel or Saudi Arabia but it might actually be a drain on Iran, just like these endless wars have been a drain on us. If he ever really wanted to withdraw, why did he fill his administration with deep state neocons like Pompeo and Bolton. This is a guy who was pro choice then pro life, campaigns against low interest rates and now wants negative interest rates, etc.

John Galt
John Galt
  Steve
January 5, 2020 6:27 am

Steve the impact would be $8 gas. Which dominos into massive inflation, lower stock market, 15% unemployment etc etc. theres your answer

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
  John Galt
January 5, 2020 9:43 am

Why would gas be $8 a gallon. We are self sufficient in oil. Rather than inflation I see deflation coming from all this.

DinCO
DinCO
  Thunderbird
January 5, 2020 10:45 am

Thunderbird – “We are self sufficient in oil.” What I have read is that, yes, in total barrels of oil pumped, we are generating more oil that we consume. However, that is due to fracking, which apparently the oil produced in this manner is not the optimum viscosity for the refineries we have. My understanding is that we are exporting THAT oil and importing more oil of the correct viscosity that we can process. Fracking is another rabbit hole for discussion, but it seems that that industry as a whole is operating at a loss and fracking wells are not producing for as long as was originally projected – so it isn’t clear how long that industry can last.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  Martel's Hammer
January 4, 2020 9:41 pm

Muslims and most tribal societies focus on shows of force, honor and are very quick to seize upon any display of weakness. So let’s see the American embassy is attacked by the Qods forces in Baghdad

First off, no other show of force has pushed itself in classic raw imperialistic fashion throughout the world as the US government. No Muslim nation or other, in our time at least.

Second, the US embassy was put there by this same imperialistic action, through the barrel of a gun. There was no US embassy before the US illegally invaded Iraq under totally false pretenses. That makes the US an unwelcomed invading occupying foreigner and trespasser. Why is it the Iraqi’s are protesting our presence there now and before? They’re sick of our shit stinking up their place. They want us gone and I can’t blame them. They were somewhat grateful at first for liberating them from Sadam and they thanked us, but we have worn out our welcome by setting up a permanent presence there. It was more for encircling Iran and setting up a stronghold in the ME than it was for helping Iraq.

If you just throw a few Marines at the problem they may become captives, mortared/rocketed to death or simply be overrun by thousands storming the fortress-like embassy….you ready for that?

It’s interesting that you don’t understand “cause and effect”. The cause of all this lies completely on the US government for having a presence there in the first place. The thing to do would be to leave, you know, like Trump said in 2016. Did a 180, huh.

Trump didn’t start Iraq, but he certainly hasn’t left it either as he promised….kind of a standoff with the Deep State…and like any survivor, he is making the best of the hand he was dealt.

Nonsense. The deep state is not making Trump’s decisions for him. That is a scapegoat used by forever Trumpers who refuse to do their civic duty of holding their elected officials accountable for their actions. When I hold Trump accountable I observe his actions to be the equivalent of the previous stooges that occupied the Whitehouse in recent decades. The new boss is looking so much like the old bosses. I voted for Trump in 2016 because I thought he was different. I was Judas goated like the rest.

Basically there are no good solutions, he can’t withdraw as many here advocate the Deep State won’t let him and the Iranians will run the place (Thanks Shrub and Shrub Jr.!), there is no “Winning”….so what to do? Play the long game to survive long enough to make a significant change in policy….Yeah it sucks and its messy but what else should we be doing?

Again stop using the deep state as a scapegoat. Trump is Commander In Chief. He gave the order, no one twisted his arm. You would never afford such an excuse under Obama’s watch. No winning? How about bow out gracefully. If they want us gone then leave. Why would you want to stay as a house guest if you were never invited and they don’t want you there? We’re supposed to be making friends, not enemies. Or is that too dovish? When has the US ever made any foreign friends without putting a gun to their heads first or bribing them with IMF money (see Confessions Of An Economic Hitman).

What you’re saying is the same as the Pentagon war planners and neocons have always said, “We can’t leave now that we’re there because it will create a vacuum”. Does anyone ever think, there wouldn’t be no vacuum if you hadn’t broke out the vacuum cleaner? There wouldn’t be no shit on the floor if you hadn’t shit all over the floor. The old saying, “If you don’t start no shit, there won’t be any. Their causes cant see there effects. The US clearly has no foreign policy, it only has a war policy.

So it’s a good question as to what to do now? An exit strategy is needed and I’m afraid the Trump administration is going to have carefully find one, but Trump’s hubris and arrogance will prevent this, not the deep state. Sending more troops wont create an exit strategy, this is adding gas to the fire, and this was his recent solution. Look for a scorched earth policy, AmeriKan style.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Vote Harder
January 4, 2020 11:51 pm

Currently, we have 5,000 troops in Iraq….which is a pretty small footprint. Remember we didn’t attack the Qods forces and Shia militia’s they attacked us. Sure the Cheney/Rummy concept was to make Iraq a land-based aircraft carrier dominating the oil patch and that includes encircling Iran.

I think it is inaccurate to say the Irans regional power ambitions are caused by the US….they like most relics of empires long past remember when they were the top dogs. As head of the Shia schism….they are the top dogs in Shia Islam.

I would be happy to go with the exit strategy and much as we saw with the Kurds and Turkey recently they managed to reach an accommodation quickly including with Assad.

So do you think Trumpy can just show up at the SOTU and announce,…”we are leaving bigly” from the Middle East and wish them all luck? Is that your proposal…so shut down the airfield, drone bases, ports, land forces bases, rapid reaction forces staged in Kuwait etc…..

So we just pull everything that is not nailed down and leave…and then what?

China comes in with a Belt and Road plan…Russia sells them hypersonic missiles and S400 systems and it is totally cool with you?

Let’s stipulate for the record, fuck Israel…they are perfectly capable of defending themselves and that $4B would be great spent at home or better as a tax reduction……

But let’s make sure you are OK…..so we turn our back on the middle east you are OK if China then takes over our role…..and BTW that ends the petrodollar also? Everybody good with that?

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  Martel's Hammer
January 5, 2020 7:44 am

So do you think Trumpy can just show up at the SOTU and announce,…”we are leaving bigly” from the Middle East and wish them all luck?

Trump is the one who said he wanted to do that. That was his campaign promise. Perhaps he is the one you should take that one up with first. Trump, who was elected on a platform of getting America out of foreign wars and putting America First. Still waiting.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Vote Harder
January 5, 2020 11:21 am

Now that is a weak response…come on we are having a real discussion here. Do you want the US to leave the ME completely or not? If so then are you prepared for the end of the Petrodollar and all that entails and ceding control of the ME to our key rivals in China who are actively seeking to displace the US as the world’s leading power?

That is the choice here…..we are riding the tiger and getting off the tiger is not so easy.

BTW China has 2M Muslims in concentration camps and a 1 child policy, tortures, and murders dissidents and Christians etc….that really a good outcome for you?

Assuming we cede the ME to our rivals how long before they are knocking on the door in Mexico?

So going back to at least 2009, China has had its eyes on LatAm our vulnerable soft underbelly…..

Get your head out of your ass and start using the brain God gave you…..

https://www.chinabusinessreview.com/chinas-rising-interest-in-latin-america/

John Galt
John Galt
  Vote Harder
January 5, 2020 6:33 am

Vote harder, you should watch less CNN. Facts are we are there in iraq. Handing it over would allow imperial action by iran to swoop in and over take. Did you forget those two countys had been at war for decades or are you too young to remember?

Yes oil and price stability is important. Imagine the repercussions if overnight everything doubled. Your proposition of walking out of iraq means iran walks in. Oil market disruption is immediately impacted. Inflation doubles overnight. That is country killing if not economic death. Europe is less size than texas, they can sustain $8 gas we cannot. Tree huggers want it because it would force everyone into the city and rural would be isolated. Etc etc

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  John Galt
January 5, 2020 7:51 am

Did you forget those two countys had been at war for decades

There were no wars when the US invaded in 2003 and quasi annexed the region. The powder keg they have today is the direct and sole cause of this. What’s amazing about MSMBC popcorn eaters like you is that you don’t see cause and effect.

US war script:

Problem = Invade under false flag and false pretenses.
Reaction = The region fights back.
Solution = Bomb the shit out of them by claiming they attacked us first.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  Martel's Hammer
January 4, 2020 10:20 pm

Of course, you aren’t because you like the simplistic device of bashing Trump as a jew dominated moron…..

What were you saying again??

Israel ‘Given Advance Notice Of U.S. Plan to Kill Iranian Gen. Soleimani,’ U.S. Congress Left In The Dark

https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61071

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
  Martel's Hammer
January 5, 2020 9:38 am

Our young will go like lambs to their slaughter when the draft is reimposed…or will they?

Missiles and bombs do not win wars; only boots on the ground do.

What I see coming out of our confrontation with Iran is the destruction of all oil facilities in the region.

So what does the rest of the world think about this as they will be severely affected by this? The only news we get is our own war mongering.

What does the rest of the world think? You can bet they are thinking hard about this.

haiku hillary
haiku hillary
  Vote Harder
January 4, 2020 9:04 pm

“The drunk on the street would be more qualified for the office of presidency than Trump …”

How about a drunk Chappaqua witch who stumbles in the woods?
No?
Ok. So much for that, so how about some inspirational poetry instead ?

It takes ovaries!
Sisterhood of traveling
pantsuit: forward, march!
~courtesy of Vera G. Shaw “Hillary Clinton Haiku” p.92

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  haiku hillary
January 4, 2020 10:04 pm

You deliberately cut off the end part of my quote that said his counterparts also. Sneaky little bastard aren’t you.

The drunk on the street would be more qualified for the office of presidency than Trump and any of his counterparts.

hillary haiku
hillary haiku
  Vote Harder
January 5, 2020 2:40 am

…and it doesn’t matter whether it was cut off or not. Trump’s counterparts are irrelevant, they aren’t President. You’re just pissy because someone called you on your TDS … or maybe you just hate the relevance of classy poetry.

In Estonia,
John keeps pouring vodka shots.
He thought he’d beat me?
~ courtesy Vera G. Shaw “Hillary Clinton Haiku” p.59
(https://nypost.com/2018/08/26/clinton-recalls-doing-vodka-shots-with-mccain-during-official-trip/)

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  hillary haiku
January 5, 2020 7:56 am

…and it doesn’t matter whether it was cut off or not. Trump’s counterparts are irrelevant, they aren’t President.

That’s a retarded statement and shows you can’t comprehend what you read. The fact that they aren’t president is not what is mentioned or meant. The fact is as stated that no other candidate (or counterpart as I called it) is qualified any more or less than Trump. They are all a bunch of retards. People you should relate to and identify with.

John Galt
John Galt
  haiku hillary
January 5, 2020 6:37 am

Your solution is more pallet cash, and bend over

ottomatik
ottomatik
  Vote Harder
January 4, 2020 9:10 pm

We are not doomed. You have lost your shit, get control of yourself man. You sound like the squealing Dem’s, it’s shrill, without cool and very unbecoming. Please take a minute and regain composure. Thanks.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  ottomatik
January 4, 2020 9:52 pm

Another one who believes that all truth is contained in a left vs. right universe.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  Vote Harder
January 4, 2020 10:37 pm

Where did I indicate that? None of my comments on any article support that, except for perhaps guns, and there is some truth there, by the record.
No, you are having a class 1 emotional meltdown, gripping shit so tight it’s popping your eyes out, with comments like this:
“That’s true and is the exact reason why we are fucking doomed. The drunk on the street would be more qualified for the office of presidency than Trump and any of his counterparts. The US is now officially declared insane. Goodbye empire!”
Do you think this is accurate?
It is frantic hyperbole, emanating from a place of disjointed emotional fracture, approaching paranoia.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  ottomatik
January 5, 2020 8:00 am

Where did I indicate that? None of my comments on any article support that…..

Right here.

You sound like the squealing Dem’s….

As if to say this has anything to do with left vs. right, democrat vs. republican, etc. Maybe you should get checked for ADD.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  Vote Harder
January 5, 2020 10:58 am

Well, you do.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
January 5, 2020 12:05 am

This says it all:

gatsby1219
gatsby1219
  Iska Waran
January 5, 2020 12:36 am

Liberal scum.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219
January 5, 2020 12:26 am

Fuck off, you communist prick.

Chinook 60
Chinook 60
January 5, 2020 1:04 am

Gee, I wonder what Jimmy Carter would have done?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Chinook 60
January 5, 2020 11:56 am

Perhaps a better question would be what Allen Dulles would have done? Do note the timelines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

Chinook 60
Chinook 60
  Articles of Confederation
January 6, 2020 1:00 am

Allen Dulles lived in a time when it was quite okay to keep a mistress. In fact, his wife and his mistress became good, understanding friends. I’m guessing each one could not stand Allen for very long at a stretch.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
January 5, 2020 1:23 am

Instead of everyone throwing shit at each other, I’d like to see how those in support of the Soleimani assassination voted in 2004 and 2012. Was it for Bush, Kerry, Third Party, or Did Not Vote in 2004? Was it for Soetoro, Mittens, Third Party, or Did Not Vote in 2012?

If you voted for either Dubya in 2004 or Soetoro in 2012, at least you’re consistent. (Not that anything different would have happened with either Kerry or Mittens. However, the aforementioned votes would be irrefutably demonstrative.)

Full disclaimer: I did not vote at all in 2004 if memory serves me, and in 2012 I voted for Gary Johnson as my typical protest vote.

I’d also like to see how you folks are planning to vote in 2020, to see if there’s consistency. Again, full disclaimer: I plan on either no vote or writing in Tulsi Gabbard as my typical protest vote. We see eye to eye on foreign policy and I believe she would more expeditiously usher in fiscal collapse with single payer, rather than this quasi-socialist death by 1000 cuts healthcare system charade. I’m looking for a “rip the band-aid off quickly” scenario at this point, and ideally avoiding world war while it happens.

Soleimani, Hafter, and el-Sisi. Any or all of those three were my internal breakpoints, to coin a software phrase.

John Galt
John Galt
  Articles of Confederation
January 5, 2020 6:43 am

Aoc, would you vote for tulsi if you knew factually your one vote would gain her the win? Because if you are a one issue voter, (you see eye to eye on her foreign policy) what about her stance on other issues?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  John Galt
January 5, 2020 10:31 am

I disagree with her on likely everything else except foreign policy. I want to prevent the immanentization of the Eschaton. The only way to do that is to pull my productive capacity out of the system (working on it, and killing my back in the process) and to vote for someone who will A) Keep us out of total war, and B) Collapse us as quickly as possible with dunderhead domestic policy so that Washington can do as little damage as possible.

We need a reboot before millions die.

But to answer your question, yes. Yes I would. I am firmly dedicated to prevention of Armageddon – and make no mistake, fucking with Persians (and by extension Russia and China) risks it – while simultaneously supporting any politician who knowingly or unknowingly would end Washington’s imperialism via fiscal collapse.

John Galt
John Galt
January 5, 2020 6:18 am

Pfff tom luongo, you are a weak man and weak minded as well

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  John Galt
January 5, 2020 8:08 am

You’re an idiot that thinks everyone who is not in favor of invading counties under false flags and false pretenses like a parasite on the earth, constantly beating their chest about it is emotionally weak. Another Billy Bob badass wannabe. Why don’t you go and sign up for the military then pussy? Get your bad self out and fight and die for your false flag Military Industrial Complex country puss boy, or are you just another chickenhawk that’s runs his mouth?

You’re nothing but a tub of hot air.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219
  Vote Harder
January 5, 2020 8:20 am

Research Tom, he’s a liberal hack.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  gatsby1219
January 5, 2020 8:26 am

Research Trump, he’s a draft dodger and chickenhawk also. Just like the rest of you cowards here. Go sign up now Rambo!

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Vote Harder
January 5, 2020 2:47 pm

VH: So in reality all you are is a one trick pony, Orange Man Bad, which you regurgitate over and over and over….you are boring and you offer nothing constructive. So, Trump is no longer president, then what? You think you’ll like your new democrat masters better? Wait, don’t answer that, I do believe you would, you are a liberal masquerading as a conservative and your endless schtick about not voting only opens door for democrats. So, Vote Harder is a democrat shill….

Mister Anderson
Mister Anderson
  Mygirl...maybe
January 5, 2020 7:41 pm

I am loosing my faith in the people of The Burning Platform. But then again, I’m losing my faith in ALL men recently. Just because someone points out that Trump is behaving EXACTLY like a globalist doesn’t mean they are a Demonrat shill.

PSSSST…..

TRUMP IS BEHAVING EXACTLY LIKE A GLOBALIST!

It’s time we faced facts. The globalists’ are “collectively” VASTLY more intelligent than Americans in general. They knew EXACTLY what America needed to propel us into Armageddon.

Had Hillary been elected, patriots would have Immediately started the Revolution 2.0 and the Globetards weren’t ready for that so they bought some time….

Orange man bad!

FUCKING BRILLIANT!

Bernays is creaming his jeans.

I believe history will show that Trump was a brilliant play by the globalists. What better way to get freedom loving individuals to sit on their collective FAT asses slinging shit at each other debating Trumps motives while they wrap up their EVIL plans. By the time we realize what happened….

Only the Prince of Peace can help us now. Jesus is KING!

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Mister Anderson
January 6, 2020 12:07 am

The Lord and Savior is the only person in which to place faith.

I do think you’re correct about most Americans, Neo. It is truly stunning to me that even the subsects of otherwise intelligent folks on here ignore the facts. How can one be a strict constructionist 2A supporter, but also toss out the War Powers Clause like the Trumpeos and Q-Tardationists are now? How is that any different than the Democrats and the Impeachment Clause while they piss all over 2A and the Taxing and Spending Clause?

Trump supporters and Soetoro supporters have a metric shitload in common. It’s a shame those 80% are condemning the remaining 20% to live through their disaster. What do you want to bet that most of the Trumpeos and Q-Tardationists voted for Dubya in 2004?

Perhaps even 90-95%? And they have the gall to condemn me? They wholly own the ME disaster and expect me to take it up the poop chute just one more time. Pinky promise! How many of them truthfully answered my question about who they voted for? Is there any doubt as to why? They know they are guilty as sin and as sharp as an egg rock.

What a laugh. THEY deserve to suffer miserable fates…not posterity. Not our kids. Fuck every last one of them with a rusty chainsaw sideways for what they did to this nation.

John Galt
John Galt
January 5, 2020 6:44 am

Tom luongo was just admitted to mercy hopsital by ambulance. Word is he was full of tds

Not Sure
Not Sure
January 5, 2020 8:27 am

I believe the article uses a lot of posturing in non essential information to offer as the final solution to treat Iran the way Obama did.

If you can stay focused on the facts at hand, Iran crosses a red line in the taking of American lives and Trump acted accordingly; he took out a few Iranian citizens, they just happen to be the commanders of their military forces.

After seeing American policy kiss ass from the previous administration, then remembering the pictures of the American navy prisoners of war sent out for the world to see, I say, thank God for a president who knows what a red line is and acts when it is crossed.

youknowwhoIam
youknowwhoIam
January 5, 2020 10:20 am

The Deep State wants the US in the Middle East in continuous war. Trump wants us out of the Middle East. How do you beat the Deep State? Assassinate a high level general when he’s in civil engagements and make the US look so bad that the entire world wants to kick us out of the Middle East and there are no options left on the table for any kind of negotiations or purpose for being in the Middle East. Would you sacrifice your reputation to get what you truly wanted? Just a thought.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  youknowwhoIam
January 5, 2020 11:38 am

As Trump says, “we’ll see what happens”. The Iraqi parliament just voted to eject all American military from the country. Which is more likely – that the US respects Iraqi sovereignty and complies or that Iran takes their promised vengeance for the assassination? And if Iran strikes back, we’ll strike “back” again. Bigly. And so on and so on. And of course, we won’t be able to leave Iraq. Because reasons. Whether Trump fucked this situation up on purpose or was too weak to keep the neocons out of his administration and too weak to tell them to fuck off really doesn’t matter anymore. Until a week ago I could tell myself that maybe he was just playing them. I don’t see how I can do that anymore. I also don’t see how this situation can de-escalate. He really screwed the pooch.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  Iska Waran
January 5, 2020 4:45 pm

I dont think he fucked it up, it is quite possible he removed a key deep state piece and they are pissed about it. It occurs to me that this piece was not removed because of former moves, but rather removed to prevent future moves.

Walter Johnson
Walter Johnson
January 5, 2020 1:19 pm

I saw a cut and paste of part of this screed in another story’s comment section. There is no evidence of developed perspective in this writing. Pure point of view and shaped to both minimize and omit facts that contradict the point of view… or is it simple ignorance?

‘Iran and the US have been at war for forty years. At some point that must be processed honestly.’

If this statement is true in depth, the US conduct in this war has been tragically, for many mortally, remiss, negligent, feckless.

Reality more correctly suggests Iran is the current tip of the Moslem spear. History demonstrates all of Islam has been at war with all non-Islam for just short of a millennia and a half.

With this in mind, all western and eastern non-Moslem civilization’s strategy (and tactics) have been a catastrophic failure over the last sixty years and more. The failure is one of fundamental understanding.

A war is not over until your enemy says it is. The Moslem creed is based on the elimination of all non-moslem creeds on earth by whatever means necessary. Reform is impossible as not one word of the book may be changed. Hadith are merited by lineage to the prophet and bear weight proportionate though provenance can literally never be proven.

The fundamental failure of understanding is the inability to accept the unchangeable underlying fundamental of the creed, and to behave appropriately toward the creed’s adherents.