WTF AGAIN

Click the link and see for yourself. The CDC numbers are far lower than the numbers being spouted by the MSM. WTF. Can we just get the truth from someone?

Guest Post by Les P.

In the US from Feb. 1 2020 until April 18, 2020:

49,013 have died from pneumonia
17,229 from COVID-19
7,676 from COVID-19 and pneumonia
5,411 from influenza

615,428 deaths from all causes

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

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Uncola
Uncola
April 21, 2020 6:58 pm

As I just posted on my “haircut” thread:

… linked on Drudge, the National Review reports the following:

Coronavirus Kills More Americans in One Month Than the Flu Kills in One Year

On Fox News last week, Bill Bennett said that “we’re going to have fewer fatalities from this than from the flu.” He pointed to the fact that the IMHE model from the University of Washington estimated that COVID-19 would most likely kill about 60,000 Americans and that the seasonal flu killed 61,000 Americans in 2017–18, a particularly bad flu season.

and the counter to that claim (from the article) is this:

But as Rich Lowry pointed out last week, “if we are going to have 60,000 deaths with people not leaving their homes for more than a month, the number of deaths obviously would have been higher — much higher — if everyone had gone about business as usual.”

But, “if everyone had gone about business as usual” WOULD the number of deaths (as the article claims) “been higher — much higher”?

How would we know?

Saxons Wrath
Saxons Wrath
  Uncola
April 21, 2020 8:16 pm

As Mark Twain said, ” lies, damned lies, and statistics ” is what is being sold about the HoloCough…

Who’s buying? Step right up Goyim…

Next stop, Welcome to the Thunderdome!!

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Uncola
April 21, 2020 8:42 pm

You can never prove a negative and the statistics bullshit artists know goddam well of that truth. But that doesn’t make it true…either.

SMRT
SMRT
  Uncola
April 21, 2020 9:42 pm

Trying to figure out what’s going on here by discussing the numbers being put out about this “plandemic”, is equivalent to discussing how many gallons of jet fuel were on those planes in NY that day during that “planedemic”.

flash
flash
  Uncola
April 22, 2020 7:46 am

Arkansas never really shut down and has a whopping 43 deaths , but really I don’t think they’re accurately counting heart attacks , drive by shootings and automobile accidents as death by Covid either.

card802
card802
April 21, 2020 7:16 pm

The MSM and certain politicians are far worse than this virus.

DocK
DocK
April 21, 2020 7:21 pm

Statistics….easily massaged and manipulated. The truth could only be told if we tested every human being for every infection, disease or virus. That’s why all these numbers ring false to me. Not to mention comorbidity. WTF! How can the Master’s of this planet calculate that into their algorithms? Bueller? Beuller? Oh look…..I just stubbed my toe and I tested positive for CoVid19.

TampaRed
TampaRed
April 21, 2020 7:42 pm

45,226 at 7:40 pm edt is the # of china flu deaths for the united states over at worldometer–
something be rong in the state of denmark,and prolly the state of nuyark–
i was looking at the #s earlier,within the next 24 hours the us will have Over 10x the # of both cases & deaths that china had–something is just not right–
i always go back to china b/c i find it incredibly hard to believe that they would quarantine so many people & essentially shut down their economy–
was this a hoax from the beginning on china’s part?possible but not likely–
did china panic & shut down their country over very little?
was it a conspiracy between china & other players? again,possible but not likely–
did trump know from the beginning that it wasn’t as serious as it was portrayed,that either the chicoms panicked or were faking it,which would explain why he didn’t immediately shut the borders but political considerations wound up forcing him to take it more seriously?imo,that is probably closest to the truth–
any takers ?

Jai Seli
Jai Seli
  TampaRed
April 21, 2020 7:55 pm

The latest – and possibly greatest to date – DISTRACTION from the imminent implosion of the greatest global MOAP – Mother of All [FIAT DEBT] Ponzis?

Bob P
Bob P
  Jai Seli
April 21, 2020 8:20 pm

For a direct comparison, USA coronavirus deaths as of April 18 were 39,014 per worldometer. And CDC is telling everyone they have to count presumed coronavirus deaths in the total as well. So the agency that’s trying to maximize the death count is showing a much lower death count than MSM? WTF, indeed.

SMRT
SMRT
  TampaRed
April 21, 2020 9:51 pm

Is Tampa Red some kind of marijuana variant?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  SMRT
April 21, 2020 11:32 pm

there probably is a custom blend called tred but my red stands 4 redneck–

Anonymous
Anonymous
  TampaRed
April 21, 2020 10:40 pm

over at worldometer

WHy the f$%k are people still using worldometer?

WHO IS WORLDOMETER?

I can go to the CDC and NAME people at the CDC. Questions about their numbers can be put to PEOPLE. Have you looked at all the sources worldometer claims? Do the numbers at those sources add up to the numbers they report on the main page?

Give me an answer about a political question from Wikipedia and claim its veracity because it comes from Wikipedia.
What does Wikipedia say about climate change? Does that make it true?

The CDC numbers are highly questionable, but worldometer inflates those WITHOUT SOURCING THE REASON FOR THE ADDED NUMBERS!

mark
mark
  KaD
April 22, 2020 12:13 am

I attended the 2nd RE-OPEN NORTH CAROLINA protest rally today, was there from 11 am until 4 pm.

LEOs were everywhere…I mean they had the Governor’s mansion and State House surrounded. The about 1,200 to 1,500 marchers were a high energy, loud, determined, pissed off group. I was amazed at the number of families, and young people. Many creative and hard hitting signs.

This was not your Father’s TEA Party rally…these people were of all ages.

You will not see the true protest on local media…I watched tonight, they are downplaying it and outright lying about the numbers! The local media only showed cut off aerial shots at the beginning or ending of the Americans who came out today in Raleigh to protest the controlled destruction of the economy and the Constitution, and claiming only 300 people were there was laughable to anyone who was actually there.

Beside the marches there were dozens of cars with signs, flags, air horns, and waving flags driving around the out of control Democratic Governor’s Manson making a constant racket for hours.

I was at the front of the march, and went up and down the long line (about 3 blocks long thick with protestors) several times.

I LOVED IT! Now many NC counties are scheduling their own RE OPEN rallies…I will be at my county seat for theirs and back to Raleigh if they do it a third time next Tuesday!

There should have been 100,000 pissed off North Carolinians at Raleigh today…but remember this…only 3% of Americans actually fought the British, and only about a third of Americans supported them. Another third were Tory Traitors loyal to King George, and the last third had two flags in their house…one British and one American…which one they displayed depended on who was wining or who was marching by.

Some things never change.

The protestors were 98% white, middle class, and many were obviously angry. Saw one black female counter proster.

They had the Governor’s mansion surrounded by an army of LEOs. We couldn’t get close. But maybe 25,000 marchers could???

Some protestors had masks on, maybe 15%, and massive social distancing was not happening all day.

Today we told Governor Cooper’s and the Raleigh Police to take the Governors order that violated the 1st Amendment (they arrested a protest organizer last week) and shove it up his/their asses.

Bob P
Bob P
  mark
April 22, 2020 10:20 am

Well done, Mark.

RogerP
RogerP
April 21, 2020 8:13 pm

“Can we just get the truth from someone?” No.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  RogerP
April 21, 2020 8:44 pm

Getting the truth and being able to share the truth in a wide enough forum to matter, are two completely different things. There is always truth to be found….but Hillary already murdered all of those folks.

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
April 21, 2020 9:03 pm

Ridiculous how they misrepresent.

The CDC page says “Pneumonia and influenza deaths are included to provide context for understanding the completeness of COVID-19 mortality data and related trends. Deaths due to COVID-19 may be misclassified as pneumonia or influenza deaths in the absence of positive test results, and these conditions may appear on death certificates as a comorbid condition. Thus, increases in pneumonia or influenza deaths may be an indicator of excess COVID-19-related mortality.”

Using their own logic, deaths MAY ALSO BE misclassified as Covid deaths since a positive test result is not needed to declare covid a cause of death. AND, even if someone has covid, that does not necessarily mean that is the cause or even a notable contributing factor in their death, they may have died anyway or covid may be just enough to put them over the edge they were tetering on.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Didius Julianus
April 22, 2020 12:43 am

the CDC page also says this.
“”*Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction, age, and cause of death.””

LOL, the delay can range from 1 to 8 weeks… 8 weeks is like the whole period of the data

TC
TC
April 22, 2020 9:54 am

Admin – you won’t find the truth anywhere because there’s too much incentive for all the players involved to do otherwise.

thetruthonly
thetruthonly
April 22, 2020 12:22 pm

Yeah, just goggle the number of covid-19 deaths in your state (say California)
and goggle lists a Wiki-pedia extract number as top link to info, but those are no where near (much higher) what the CDC report says by state. Very exaggerated. Something fishy here.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  thetruthonly
April 22, 2020 12:25 pm

did you actually *read* the CDC report?

did you notice the asterisk after the date ranges of every report shown?
did you scroll down to see the fine print that the asterisk references?
“1 to 8 weeks of delay for death certificates to make it into the report”
the length of the report itself is barely 8 weeks…

therefore, no wonder there’s a mismatch.

Jdog
Jdog
April 22, 2020 1:01 pm

The actual number is over 46,000. But don’t worry about the facts, they spoil the agenda…..