About a month ago, Donald Trump gave an extended interview to The Daily Wire’s Candace Owens and it didn’t play well for me. I wrote my response to that interview here. I had long been considering possible alternatives to a Trump run, but with each passing day it seems that the conservative agenda is ready for a different nominee.
Apparently, I am not the only one. Two recent articles from my inbox – one from this same site by a regular contributing author and the other by the intellectual heavyweight and inimitable Ann Coulter – both featured compelling arguments reaching similar conclusions: Trump’s reign might be over. Both are worth taking the time to read.
Supporting their claims are polling figures, cited in the articles, and our own comments section, which illuminate a growing discontent with the prospects of a renewed Trump campaign effort. I will share a few such comments at the end of this piece. Although I expected a lot of pushback, since our reader demographics skew towards older white males, we got a host of sympathetic agreement. I dare say people are glad to be having this conversation in the open. (Wait, you liked Trump but don’t want him again either? Me neither! Whew!)
Make no mistake, Trump was a fantastic spokesperson and lightning rod for conservative populism. He was the only – literally the only – Republican candidate that had a fighting chance to defeat Hillary in 2016 and who could uniquely provide a launchpad for a rejuvenated, hope-filled base of conservative Americans. His stand against the corporate media was absolutely essential. This is and was all terrific.
Perhaps because of the combination of his rare (for the GOP) courage and list of accomplishments, the brand/aura/image of the former president demands an odd reverence from a group of people that don’t normally want or express such homage. In a perfect world, we’d have an invisible president to signify a quite limited government. I am envisioning a do-nothing Calvin Coolidge. Instead, we have a larger-than-life politician.
This all being said, then, I can’t help but wonder if Trump’s place in space and time has passed. He served an essential role, no question. Is it time to move on, though?
I laid out a few central misgivings and apprehensions in my last piece. To recap, I laid out four main observations. First, I wondered what he brought to the table that someone else like a DeSantis, Paul, or as-of-yet unidentified candidate could not? Asked in 2016, and the answer would have been no one. Asked today, and I think it’s a legitimate question.
Second, and related then, I asked why we should have more faith that Trump, who installed every Deep State actor known to DC in his cabinet, should be presumably more trustworthy to fight the Establishment in his second go-round. Framed differently, what is different in the swamp in 2022 than in 2017? Let me just point out the obvious: Fauci is still there. So is everyone and everything else.
Third, who will he win over in the electorate that he didn’t last time? Election fraud or not, and even acknowledging the sizable increase in votes in his defense election, Trump admittedly turned some voters off. Can we quantify how many? Not likely, but can we at least reason that some voters might be more inclined to vote for a different GOP candidate based on just a person’s personality? Similarly, there’s the not-insignificant fact that Trump has major issues in communicating specifics. He’s a big picture guy. He sees through nonsense. But he just doesn’t spell out specifics. As I said in the last piece, this isn’t a knock against him, it’s just the reality.
Fourth, admittedly less crucial, I don’t want another old person in the White House. It’s as simple as that. What is gained by Trump the octogenarian, single-term president that couldn’t be better achieved by Trump the octogenarian MAGA kingmaker or Trump the torch passer? He is throwing his weight around House races right now and making a huge America-first dent in washing out RINOs like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger. This is good. But let’s not forget he lost the first two Senate races he endorsed as president emeritus.
At the end of the day, only one question matters in the political arena: What strategy wins the White House in 2024 and also provides the best opportunities for sustained change? Maybe it is Trump. Let’s have that conversation. But maybe it isn’t. And let’s have that conversation, too. Suffice to say, many are indeed having it.
As promised, here are a few of the comments. They by no means represent the totality of viewpoints, but as a matter of representing conservative readers, it’s not a small percentage that see real value in an alternative Republican candidate:
- “Prior officeholders have to run on their record. Trump’s is excellent except for one issue – the vaccines. Fair or not, he’ll be judged by a wary and weary electorate on those experimental medicines whose dangerous side effects are just now coming out. Oh, and he won’t be able to run for re-election in 2028, and his manner will disaffect middle-class white women, who in 2028 will be that much less likely to favor a republican. I love him, but DeSantis avoids all these issues. I hope Trump does not run.”
- “I have been a supporter of Trump for a long time. My problem with him is he picked RINOs and known Dems for his administration. Pence was always an establishment republican. He still hasn’t learned by endorsing a leftist traitor for Tennessee. He is fast losing my support. DeSantis would be much better.”
- “Agree. 100%. I too was not a Trump fan but wound up appreciating much of what he accomplished. I loathe the establishment uniparty. Alas. My eyes have been opened to exactly how bad the cheating that goes on in elections has become. And, honestly, I think even the RINO establishment rigs their elections. Nothing ever changes and they like it that way. Trump rocked their boat. It needed rocking. It needs more rocking. Capsizing even. But, like you, I don’t think Trump is the one to do it. We need more libertarians in the conservative movement.”
- “Although I voted for Trump both times and was a strong supporter, 3 things stand out that give me cause for pause for future support. Many of his key picks for high offices were deep state, he was quick to roll out the Vax and now pushes it (only pulling back after being booed by his base – typical politician), and finally he has been as quiet as a mouse about the unjust and illegal imprisonment of his jailed January 6 supporters who have been denied due process. Leaders don’t throw their followers to the wolves. I no longer know whose side he is truly on as he considers the Clintons “decent” people and wishes Epstein’s girlfriend G. Maxwell well.”
Depressingly, we still have three years of Joe Biden (or, somehow, someone worse) left to lord over us with irrational and tyrannical mandates. Let’s hope we make it to 2024 in one piece to find out what happens.
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Our elections are a farce. Until that is fixed, discussing candidates is pointless.
If the election is fixed [ decertified by a few states ] he is the president right now.
Does he need to change a bunch of things? Believe it, he will.
Remember pre-2016 Trump? All the stuff he promised to do?
Remember post-election Trump? Not doing any of the stuff he promised to do?
The entire political system is theater. It doesn’t matter who is in office.
I’m trying to remember such, but I can’t.
What were the things he promised, but didn’t do (on his own volition, not because he was blocked)?
– Jail Hitlary?
– Repeal Obamacare?
-…?
If 2020 showed us anything, it’s that the President is selected by the Deep State and elections are what George Carlin called “the illusion of choice”. I consider it my patriotic duty not to vote, to withdraw from the game. If enough people do that it delegitimizes the fascist regime.
So the deep state selected DJT in 2016 and then de-selected him in 2020? Make a lot of sense…
Exactly right. The NWO alternates between Republicans and Democrats depending on what their objectives are at that particular time, and to give the sheeple the illusion of choice. In 2016 they needed Trump to neutralize the Right so they wouldn’t effectively resist the tyranny of the scamdemic that was planned to start in 2020. They also needed him to push the kill shots on the Right. And they also needed him to induce the TDS in the Left that caused the Left to so rabidly promote and accept the scamdemic tyranny (by which they thought they were defying Trump and the deplorables).
But they didn’t need Trump anymore beginning in early 2021 so they installed Biden for whatever their goals are until 2024. They cheated to get him in office, just as they probably cheated to get Trump in office in 2016.
The problem with that is that Trump had huge turnout and support in 2016. He was popular and Hillary was not. However, it was well known the Clintons had a HUGE election fraud operation. What surprised Hildog herself and probably had her piss her pants is that somebody more powerful was able to steal it back without her operations knowing about it.
You are certainly a nut. Boiled I don’t know but nuts yes.
Very genial. ‘Nothing is impossible/inconceivable’ I’ve caught myself saying to the mirror while doing my morning routine. Hardly even startles me. Anymore.
Boiled was asking that sarcastically. They most certainly did select him in 2016 and deselect him in 2020 for the reasons given by Piersquared.
Bullshit.
And Piesquared asserts that “the jab” was planned (and timed!) to be rolled out before the end of the Trump presidency, already in mid-2016.
That’s a tall order, for which I’d need a bit more than pure conjecture and a theoretical possibility.
It was planned long before that and all you ever do is spout bullshit.
Where did I deny the virus scare was long-term planned, dumbo?
I do however find it impossible to believe they were able to, years in advance, time it to sucker Trump into operation Warp Drive right on point.
So in other words piesquared (and you) are doing curve-fitting with hindsight, and are trying to sell us TPTB/deep state have it all completely under evil control. While in reality the same shit would have happened in slightly or vastly different manner and/or timing under any other sitting or next prez as well.
icymi – explained here (yup, I was fooled) :
What makes you think 2016 was not “riggged”. Nm, uh, er, grrrr, gra , ugh ,it was legit because a republicOn was “selected”. smdh
The guy is not even a republicOn. Don’t know what he is. 🤷♂️
The NWO (which includes the Deep State) has selected every president since JFK. Voting is indeed useless, but not voting won’t delegitimize the system. You will never get enough people to quit voting, and even if no one at all voted the establishment would just press on. They don’t need any votes. The best thing to do is vote for a third party candidate. That at least registers as a protest vote, by telling the establishment that you don’t want either of the establishment candidates.
If I knew the right answer, I might disagree.
Thought about just voting state/local. Equally Insane. ‘Training Day’ for the next of kin. “registers as a protest vote”. Sincerely, I wish You well.
Can’t remember the actual elapsed time* I posted here or there, 7 yrs+…End of the revolutionary war/first national bank…. ‘WE had a good run’, tongue in cheek.
*thanks algore, for the massive funding for arapnet/darpa…$#@!…sorry!…for inventing the Internet, and all the handy specialized calculators…As a FRESHMAN senator.
All the votes for Perot just helped Dems win, …some protest
This is DS (forgot to load in my handle)
He just might’ve won if he hadn’t quit in the summer of ’92 — because his daughter’s wedding was threatened. I scoffed at that at the time, but I now realize how the Uniparty plays and it was probably true. When he later restarted his campaign, in the Fall, it was too late to recover the momentum he had; I still voted for him anyway because the alternatives were obvious shit.
Maybe he was planted by the Uniparty as a “splitter” — that certainly is possible — but at least he held the DC agenda (e.g. NAFTA) up to scrutiny and showed it to be against “We the People”. He spoke the truth and a lot of Americans were ready to go 3rd party. We’ll never know if he could’ve won had he not flinched… He was indeed prescient about the “giant sucking sound of jobs leaving America” though — don’t you agree?
Missing the point.
You can’t delegitimize a illegitimate system.
Not voting means you don’t give a shit about the Potemkin Villages anymore, not more and not less.
Just remember, you will have to vote as hard as you can!
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <—=== PLANNED
'm' is stuck in the middle of the alphabet, and piearesquared is right !
Peeps ain’t gonna do it Quiet Mike. They will continue to vote one dupe or the other. If I go to the polls I’ll write in “nobody”. Actually “nobody” should appear in print on all the ballots. Best wishes to those that think their vote makes a “difference”.
DJT performed a miracle.
He cured the blind and showed them how evil and corrupt
their government, medical system, and war mongering corporate/military is.
Time for him to ascend to political heaven and leave the hard work here on earth
to us mere MAGA mortals.
God bless us one and all.
Ammo up and get ready for some ugly hard work.
This mess won’t clean itself up.
Potus Trump served a purpose and showed us a path.
That said,his time is just good history and new folks need to lead the way.
I am very wary of our current voting system but if we are to vote feel I could vote for a Desantos/Paul-Paul /Desantos ticket,flip a coin for potus and change in four years/hence,sixteen year reign.
To those who negged me,simple…….Fucking Die!
The cleansing will be great!
DiSantis is owned by the Israelis.
Nowadays, which politician or bureaucrat isn’t?
Good riddance to bad rubbish. The author is an idiot.
I can’t imagine that Donnie “WARP SPEED” Trump has no prospects. Every 70 IQ in the sticks has a TRUMP flag on their house. ” Anybody but Hitlery. Want an instant replay….Anybody but Hitlery.
The stupid it burns white hot.
“Every 70 IQ in the sticks has a TRUMP flag on their house”.
Yep…they are all around me.
My mother was telling me about how proud my niece was of the Trump socks she got for Christmas (not sure who got them for her). I have no idea what is going on anymore. My protest vote was in 2016, but I knew it was wasted by 2017. I still have my Trump shirt I wear around the house sometimes. It’s a good shirt.
Shoot, Shot, Shit Ken I was giddy with glee when Trump was elected selected…who I believed must of just overwhelmed the fix…or so I figured in 16.
With what I know now…Comparing 2016 to 2022 is like comparing the 19th century to the 20th.
The first post I got huge up votes on (I believe around 50) after lurking for years right after Trump was in the White House and started to bring in the usual suspects to run the country….was about my 50/50 hopes/worries about Trump…and a guy named Stucky (who seemed to be one of the regulars) even complimented me on it.
I expose Trump every chance I get because he is just another FRAUD…and divides those right of center like no other now.
The devil is in the details…well here are undeniable details…and Trump is a devil.
Ann Coulter… Stopped reading there. She hated Trump and using her to justify anything Trump-related is hilarious!
She Was one of his most ardent supporters. As was matt drudge.
The Internet moves pretty fast. You should catch up. She was an anti-Trumper to the left of Bill Kristol within about 5 minutes after the inauguration, and cancelled her career and following pretty much overnight at that point. the only person less listened to by the Right than Coulter now is George Will, for exactly the same reason.
Between his war chest – larger than the rest of the prospective GOP candidates combined – and his poll standings among likely voters in 2024, I wouldn’t bet against him.
You’d think people would learn that lesson, but evidently not so much.
The two salient questions will be how black-pilled the 2020 farce has made him, and whether there will be a repeat of it this fall, and/or again in ’24.
Given the diaper squirting going on right now, I don’t think the DNC is as strong as the media would like to wish they were.
Barring a stroke, heart attack, or an appointment with Scalia’s Pillow, the 2024 nomination is Trump’s to lose.
Needless to say, Pence’s career is toast. DeSantis and Abbott are obvious choices for a running mate. And nobody else is anywhere near the top tier at the moment.
Hilarious.
Trump painted himself in such a corner. The information on the death jab can’t be completely kept under wraps ’til 2024. Even if just 10% of the population despise anybody formerly pro-jab up to then, Trump has no more chance to win. As will be obvious already during nomination run-up.
Shocking as it may seem to you, all politics, even in 2024, won’t be about The Jab.
Given the choice between the Trump Economy of 2019, or the Gropey Dopey Economy of Ever, Trump wins walking away.
Despite your assumptions, he’s still packing venues for rallies.
Which does not bespeak a man crippled by anything.
Trash talk doesn’t win ball games, nor elections.
His potential candidacy, barring other complications, remains formidable. And at minimum, even if he doesn’t run, his imprimatur on anyone else, or withdrawal of same, makes him the litmus test and kingmaker for any successor.
There’s a reason the 10, 15, 20 or whatever political halfwits he bested in 2016 were known as the Eleventeen Dwarfs. Even Cruz shot his wad in 2016, and he may as well resign himself to eternity in the senate, and maybe gov. of Texas.
That doesn’t leave much to work with among the other earnest idiots and quislings on the bench.
Did you comprehend what I wrote?
For the 10% of the population who until then have realized what a ‘crime against humanity’ the jabs are, Trump will be impossible to vote for. And no, they won’t forget their grief ’til then.
But even if just half of those are [potential] GOP voters, with the very tight margins that electoral outcomes were decided recently, that makes it impossible for Trump to win (at least unless TPTB sets up a third party nominee who attracts mostly Dem voters), assuming of course that the Dems are smart enough to nominate someone who didn’t push the jab .
So it’s over for Trump, he and you just don’t know it yet.
Abbot — surely you jest. At least DeSantis was pretty resolute against the covid BS from nearly the beginning. That PoS abbott only got strong against it when he saw the tide turning. He can go fuck himself with his RINO playbook.
DS, again
Voted AGAINST old what’s her name. Could have been donald duck. Can’t remember if it was before/after his , his famous ‘good people’ quip, his appointments, yada, yada. All basically verbatim, typed at least a dozen times, in various places.
Things were seething then, he put a fake damper on.
I can never be sure, but given the opportunity for a do-over, I would vote for her. The trajectory has been plotted since before Babylon, Enough.
Question of timing, no doubt, but the end is a given.
I’ll bite. If not DJT, then who?
Honest question.
Thanks for the answer to my question, Downvote. Got anything else useless to add?
Didn’t think so. Run along.
That’s not an honest question and you know it, unless of course you really believe elections are real plus honest and free of fraud. If you believe that you are beyond hope.
Hopefully a dozen good men and women will toss in their hats.
Trump pulled back the curtains and left no doubt how dirty government is. For his entire 4 years, in addition to attempting to run the country, he had to fight off the jackals (both dem and gop) who manufactured fake crimes against him. Now we have a real flake in office who truly deserves a formal investigation and nary a word from the same perps who hounded Trump start to finish, and continue nipping at his heels. They hated Trump because he was an outsider who ridiculed long-standing career politicians. That was his payback and a message to any other outsider with ambitions to run for a seat in the White House.
I won’t be voting in 2022 or 2024 or anytime until they fix the dirty system, which won’t happen in my lifetime.
Doohickey,
Dig deep buddy…you are still on the surface.
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/trumps-kabbalah-teacher-from-his-own-book-the-way-to-the-top.29071/
I want to hear from them why Christians haven’t accomplished jack crap to upgrade our countries governments at any level; shouldn’t they have more moxie and more power than unorganized secular truckers. What have you Christian Churchers been doing? Praying, preaching, holding seminars, retreats, maybe protesting guns and statues, burning candles, building homes for the lazy, collecting crap for Welfare Maggots, just what have y’all accomplished that has grown the congregations and improved the Governance of Society? Are Y’all preparing for when TSHTF? (Not)
I seem to remember Jesus saying something about christians always being a minority.
Can’t exactly act like the 800 pound gorilla, if you aren’t the 800 pound gorilla.
Also, there are a lot of people who claim the name while ignoring the teachings.
Another statement from Jesus speaks of them:
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
Good questions. Back before I quit going to church I heard alot about supporting illegal immigrants and climate change. Grifters gonna grift…
What percentage of preachers told their congregations to NOT take the Shot? We will see over the next year or two. I’ve seen Preachers on TV telling people to take the Shot; Jesus said MY PEOPLE people will NOT be in the Dark. The blind lead the blind into the ditch. US Churchers are still a large and rich block of Americans and I bet much larger and with better organizations than Truckers, but sadly they lack a lot of knowledge, enlightenment, initiative and humility. They seem to me to mostly sit around fat, dumb and happy quoting some Bible verses letting the Governments take people to Hell.
“pulled back the curtains” for whom? Huge percentage think they have seen the light, which is just a reflection from their side of a fogged window. if and when they break the window…Carlin’s Wall
While he was fighting off the jackals he filled his cabinet with those same jackals. Keep your enemies close? 4D chess? No, diversionary entertainment WWE style to cover up and distract from the looting.
Screw it but it’s all fixed. Herb Hitch (UNC/Dixie Delegation) was Army Intelligence with Mao during the Long March. Told the Dulles Bros. he was the man. Their choice was Chiang, put him on Formosa. Herb disagreed. FU back from the CIA. Herb’s son Jim is a good friend.
Herb was named the “Old Comrade” per Mao. The only American “Hero Of The Chinese People”. Xinhua shows programs of him from time to time on how some 0f us are ok. HA!
Jim Hitch married Jay Johnson’s daughter . Dunlop White to the other. Jay’s son was running the International Bond Biz for Stephens in Little Rock a year ago. He’s a scratch golfer (Wake, like dad & Arnold). Jay is regarded as the greatest member of The National of all time. Treasurer for 40+ years.
Do the math. Anda & I will drive up from The Peninsula soon. Jim lives in N. Myrtle. He is a diabetic and needs a new heart.
You should write an article about Herb Hitch.
I agree — there is no info on him in Wikipedia, unlike this guy who he probably knew:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Braden
Aside from perhaps DeSantis who besides Trump can generate the funding, interest or media noise to have any chance at all. And that’s not counting the insane level of cheating the left will employ on all future elections.
As you know I’m in Florida and DeSantis is a good governor but he isn’t all that much farther than an apple would fall from loser Trump; we need a real fighter like Andrew Jackson to kick asses and clean house. If you want to settle now for a really fine man who’s a good version of Herbert Hoover at getting things done, and not even try to recruit someone like a Gen Patton who will tear the liberals asses to shreds, or an Admiral Nelson who will damn the Torpedoes, you will get another uniparty functionary and four more years of being hog tied by every fucking legal scheme the democrats, Deep State, MSM and CCP can concoct to destroy everything he tries. Keep looking.
No decent man will partake in the fraud required to win an election.
You declare defeat for yourself; damn the fucking defeatist, full speed ahead!
As soon as he said “Ann Coulter” and “heavyweight” in the same sentence he lost me…. What, did she gain some weight during lockdown? Too many Fruit Loops…
Trump and his antics has killed an as yet unknown number of people as they are still dying, “Operation warp speed ” and ” Two weeks to flatten the curve “. Millions dead, we’ll see. Go ahead, blame ole Brandon, but we ALL KNOW who started this mess, who the real mass murderer is here. (I voted for him twice.) Regret is another reason I will never vote again, that and the rigging. Nothing is worth another round with Trump. Personally I prefer Brandon at least he is working hard to destroy the democratic parity which has been a dream of mine for decades. ” Lets go Brandon” and keep up the great work.
Let’s be honest, there’s no reforming the system, no fixing all the broken departments and mismanaged agencies. In short, there are no longer any political solutions to the problems that were- almost entirely- created by politics. Most of us are aware of this reality. We are simply acting in a play, and illusion that perpetuates the notion that we live in a representative republic. Clearly we do not.
So what options are left?
Walking away makes the most sense. Anyone who has ever been in a bad relationship understands that when it’s over the only choice you have to make is to leave them to their life and go on with your own. Some things are too broken to be fixed .
Clearly elections are rigged, so even if a candidate emerged who presented a better outcome they would never be able to overturn the entrenched bureaucracy. They know it and we know it and that leaves few options, but I can think of one they can’t hide or defeat. A walkaway of the public. It’s one thing to lose an election by a few million votes, quite another to simply hand them the government they already control by withholding a hundred million votes.
Imagine what it would look like if they threw an election and nobody came. It is a tactic that would require zero effort. It has no perceivable downside- we’re not getting a representative government anyway and all voting for them does is give the illusion that all is well with the rubes. What would that look like to the governments that don’t support us? To the billions of people who are and have been long disenfranchised and looking for some sign of encouragement?
HSF — I agree, but millions will still vote in 2024; I calculate the number to be approx. the number of people that got “vaccinated”, less those that died of the shot.
DS
Sorry but Ann Coulter is not an intellectual heavyweight.
DJT didn’t lose the 2 Senate elections in GA. Posting bullshit like that negates the rest of your article which I didn’t bother with.