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The Duke of New York
The Duke of New York
March 28, 2022 1:34 pm

Soil health has been destroyed by modern ag methods, no beneficial bacteria or fungi are allowed to grow in the dead soil perfused by glyphosate and other obscene additives, and that leads to poor nutritive value in the end product.

The bit about the microvaved food is apt. Too many people think of this as “cooking”. Try this at home: boil a cup of water on the stove, and boil a second cup of water in the microwave. Let them cool. Take two carrots, cut the wide ends off (where the leafy part should be) at about 1/2 inch and place them in two separate dishes. Water them using the boiled water for one, and the microwaved water for the other. See which grows. That should tell you something.

dan
dan
March 28, 2022 1:54 pm

Several years ago, I read an article about research done by a USDA scientist on grasses of the Great Plains. In places where original grasses still existed, he found that several species could be ground and made into bread (which the plains Indians did) with a nutritional density far higher than European grains such as wheat and rye.

Tens or hundreds of millions of bison, deer, and other game grazed on (and fertilized) these grasses and were also used as food.

Lately, I’ve been reading about the Oglala aquifer essentially on its way to disappearing as more and more water is pulled to feed modern agriculture.

Last week there was an article about the trillions of tons of topsoil the region has lost due to plowing over the last couple hundred years.

Bottom line: all we ever had to do is sustainably mow the existing grass and harvest grazing animals. We wouldn’t have had the dust bowl and we wouldn’t have needed the $billions in water and fertilizers we use every year.

I realize this is somewhat simplistic, but we’re obviously not doing things intelligently.

GNL
GNL
  dan
March 28, 2022 3:15 pm

Profit

n
n
  dan
March 28, 2022 4:25 pm

Figure one inch of topsoil takes 100 years to acumulate naturally.
The Great Plains had topsoil 16ft deep when we got here.
Most of it was never touched by a plow until after WW1.
We are an industrious bunch aren’t we.

Ken31
Ken31
  n
March 29, 2022 9:35 am

Few understood the importance of the soil biome (or even its existence) and that hasn’t changed. Regenerative agriculture and permaculture are trending, but still insignificant to American ag industry. I assume monoculture will die, because it will no longer be economical to maintain it in the future.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
March 28, 2022 1:58 pm

It doesn’t have to be violent (food riots, breadlines, altho they’ve conditioned us countless movies to expect this).

There is no way this won’t happen. It’s in the plan and it can’t be avoided by going back to sustainable farming techniques. It would take years if not decades to make the soil what it was before big ag farming.

Local rural economies that manage to get it together enough to sustain each other will be busy just trying to protect what they have. I’m not optimistic for the cities. They will eat subsidized fake food.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mary Christine
March 28, 2022 2:07 pm

Or long pork.

Red River D
Red River D
  Anonymous
March 28, 2022 5:16 pm

Say…

…that reminds me of a joke I shouldn’t tell.

Warren
Warren
  Mary Christine
March 28, 2022 3:00 pm

Wait till the ebt cards can’t keep up with food inflation, especially when 20 million or so self selected Nuevo Amercanos are added just as the gubment goes broke, and the gimmidat brigades of the free shit army go on the move.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Warren
March 28, 2022 3:10 pm

and the gimmidat brigades of the free shit army go on the move
High gas prices/shortages will keep them much closer to home. Suburbs will be hit hard, but most ferals will not use 2 gal of gas to get to the country folk.

A9racer
A9racer
  TN Patriot
March 28, 2022 10:07 pm

And if they do, they will just become fertilizer…

brian
brian
  Mary Christine
March 28, 2022 7:39 pm

Actually done right the soils could be returned to near former self within about five years or less.

All thats really required is putting back into the soil the bio organisms and reduce or eliminate the bleaching chemicals. Some farming methods should be kept, imo, like no till planting. Till, aerate, in the fall and plant a cover crop like lentils, alfalfa etc to put nitrogen back into the soil and hold it.

The biggest problem for the coming food shortage, will be stopping the roving raiders from the cities taking whatever the small farmers produce. Best brush up on the firearms skills and the mindset to protect that food source. This is where neighbours are going to come handy, not only looking out for strange vehicles and groups of people but to also form a resistance to them. Its going to go Mad Max…

A9racer
A9racer
  brian
March 28, 2022 10:11 pm

Well Brian, we get plenty of practice shooting feral hogs in rural Texas. Roving bands of city folk don’t cause my worry meter to budge much. Starving people make bad decisions.

Ken31
Ken31
  Mary Christine
March 29, 2022 9:37 am

It does take years. Anywhere from 1-10 years of intense management, but it also takes about 10 years to recover from a currency collapse.

Sustainable farming is our unavoidable future, one way or another.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
March 28, 2022 3:17 pm

Just read these two books – you will know the truth and where we are going (the survivors, that is):

AND follow up with:

BUT if you are a pessimist and want to know what a nuclear winter will be like:

EasyCo.
EasyCo.
  Austrian Peter
March 28, 2022 6:42 pm

Nuclear Winter is a Carl Sagan fantasy.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  EasyCo.
March 28, 2022 7:40 pm

Leaving aside the argument that there are actually no nuclear weapons, the prospect of massive detonations of kiloton and megaton bombs that would kick up massive clouds of particles, etc. into the upper atmosphere, thus blocking the sunlight for some period of time sounds pretty logical on its face. It is quite clear from ice cores that massive volcanic eruptions have either significantly shortened or even eliminated the sunny days of summer in various years throughout history. The eruption of Tambora in 1815 and Krakatoa in 1883 were both well-documented as to their impacts on farming, food supplies, etc. around the world as a result of the vastly extended “winter” of minimal sunlight, etc.

And these days I would say that nuclear winter and massive die-offs are a Klaus Schwab fantasy.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  EasyCo.
March 28, 2022 7:44 pm

Correct EsayCo, but it’s more than a Carl Sagan fiction. Have you read the book? It’s real history and very well described. In AD 536, a volcanic eruption meant our planet was enveloped by a cloak of lethal dust which changed the climate for decades. The sun’s rays grew dim and total darkness reigned for days. It was a catastrophe of unparalleled proportions.

Climate models of recent years support the theory, but like all postulations there is always doubt that it might not work out the way it is projected:
https://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/WiresClimateChangeNW.pdf

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
  Austrian Peter
March 28, 2022 8:03 pm

That caused the westward migration of Eurasian tribes (Huns, etc.). And in 1815-16, the Thames was frozen for most of the year.

n
n
March 28, 2022 4:10 pm

I agree with much of what she said.
I hope change can be acheived without strife, but few revolutions do.
Hungry smart people are one thing, hungry dumb people, another.
Guess which one is in the majority?
If intelligent people were in the majority, we wouldn’t be in this situation.
There will be a change though.
Again with the Wendell Berry poem.

n
n
  n
March 28, 2022 4:21 pm

We who prayed and wept
for liberty from kings
and the yoke of liberty
accept the tyranny of things
we do not need.
In plenitude too free,
we have become adept
beneath the yoke of greed.

Those who will not learn
in plenty to keep their place
must learn it by their need
when they have had their way
and the fields spurn their seed.
We have failed Thy grace.
Lord, I flinch and pray,
send Thy necessity.

Ghost
Ghost
March 28, 2022 4:47 pm

This deserves a repost from a ghost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGrpgPQFU3A

Anonymous
Anonymous
March 28, 2022 5:45 pm

Good news, everyone. Soy is still available.

https://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/

Lucky us.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
March 28, 2022 7:33 pm

Government is the greatest evil ever created by man. Virtually all of the problems she notes have either been caused or made far worse by the presence of government, government power, government regulations, government monetary policy, etc. in our lives and our economy.