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Pretty much.
Climate change is a scam, but that model doesn’t help. Alot of the ice is ON the ground and COULD melt into the sea raising levels.
The volume of ice spread over the globe in the form of water… would not significantly increase the sea levels… Plus, the planet would have to experience significant warming over the entire globe from north to south pole for this to happen… and it ain’t gonna happen.
Seems when the Arctic experiences a melt the Antarctic experiences a growth and vice versa. So water will continuously be locked into ice at either pole… not that it matters to levels…
Bullshit. That is world class stupid. If ALL land ice melts, sea levels will go up 230 feet. Almost all cities near the sea worldwide would be fucked entirely.
Again, some moron disagrees. Amazing. Guess some morons don’t know that the ice over Antartica is 15,000 feet thick in places. If that shit melts the oceans are going to rise a fuckload.
Read that for comprehension- the Antarctic land ice is fucking thick, as much as 15000 feet thick in places. It averages approx. – averages – 7000 feet thick.
Antartica is 2.75% of the earths surface. Simple math is .0275 times 7000 = 192 feet. So if it all melts, that will by itself raise sea levels around 190 feet. Those are my quick calls, but they are accurate enough to show that if all ice melts, the world coastal areas are going under. Despite what any idiots say.
According to Sumerian tablets that is from where the flood in the OT originated.
The Sumerian tablets mentioned ANTARTICA … or whatever they called it?? HOW did they even know it existed?
I’m pretty sure the flood in the Sumerian tablets had to do with the Black Sea.
Someone said NO more Floods. Fire is on deck.
“sea levels will go up 230 feet.” drama much? Good authority BARELY gonna crest @ 229′.
It won’t melt overnight. Most people will just side-step away… over generations.
Bullshit… Not sure where you get these numbers but I am calling BS. There is no IF in the all land ice melting, thats world class stupid right there.
Couple of problems what volume are you looking at on the Antarctic ice sheets?? you stated 17,000 feet but thats not an overall average as there are mountain ranges under that ice. What will that ice decrease in volume to as it melts?? Spread that over the total area of the oceans and seas and I seriously doubt you will get more than a few feet at most.
Secondly, when/IF the ice should melt off Antarctic then it would recollect at the point where there is a thermal drop, and if on a land mass then there is no net gain to the water levels. But go ahead and argue a pointless argument anyway…
You are seriously stupid. I said up to 15000 feet, but the average is 7000 feet thick, you imbecile, which I clearly stated. Antartica is 2.75% of the world’s surface. From their the calc is easy unless you are a moron. You are a moron, right? Me, I am a math savant.
I don’t give a shit what you think or seriously doubt, as you can’t add two plus two or you could check my numbers and see I am right. The facts are the fucking facts. Ice does decrease in volume as it melts by around 10%. You seriously doubt? What about simply using the facts available? 7000 feet thick, 2.75% of earth’s surface. Do the fucking math. Here, I will make the estimate easy. Say that Antartica is 10% of the earths surface. That would raise sea level 700 feet, discounting land mass. 2.75% is approx. 1/4 of 10. So divide 700 by 4 = 175 feet as an easy estimate. Not a few feet. It would raise sea levels by around 200 feet if the Antarctic ice were to melt.
I am not trying to be exact – others have run the more exact numbers out at 230 fucking feet, where they allowed for 25% of the total surface being land. So to be more exact take my 190 feet, divide it by .75 and multiply that by .9. That will come close to 230 I am sure. (228 feet actually when I do it more exactly).
I am simply providing general raw numbers so that anyone with an IQ over 80 (clearly not you) could see that it isn’t a few feet, but it is 200 feet. It is inarguable if a person has half a brain.
I am not arguing it will happen. I am simply saying if it fucking does almost every coastal city on earth is going to be under 200 fucking feet of water.
I won’t even go into your stupidity about the water accumulating, as any imbecile knows water finds its level, and will raise the sea levels all around the world.
Is your IQ also failing to realize that water takes more space when in solid form? Okay then.
Ok. Once again, for a new moron. If you freeze an ounce of water, it expands. Take that ice and put it in 7 ounces of water. You will now have 8 ounces. The ice will displace one once of water – it’s weight – and in a beaker it will measure 8 ounces. And a bit of ice will be above the water level. When the ice melts the beaker will show exactly eight ounces. It will show exactly 8 ounces when you put the ice in.
It is the theory of displacement. Hell, it has been known for Millenia, but morons like you still don’t get it.
“ The concept of Archimedes’ principle is that an object immersed in a fluid is buoyed up by a force equal to the weight of the fluid displaced by the object.”
What that means is that in order for one ounce ice to float it must displace one ounce of water. Exactly.
I will care about it when I can make an omelet with all that mumbo-jumbo. I hope you can make more use of it than just feeling all smart about an issue that no one should give a rat ass about.
yes, the volume of ice is greater than the volume of water.
Exactly, water is denser than ice, so when the ice melts it should be obvious the level goes down… Look at the two pictures above, it is lower in the second picture, lol.
Factor in the the water locked in land ice formations and its a different story, think 10 thousand years ago when the sea levels rose and there was no “man made global warming”, just the usual cycles the Earth, Sun and galactic interactions.
Factor in the constantly changing magnetic field of Earth with cosmic rays causing cloud nucleation, fluctuation in the ozone layer protection, luminosity of the Sun and all the other noise that’s not factored into climate models of global warming/climate change/global cooling and you might start to get the feeling it’s just more poo 😉
Um, no. Ice floats above water. So when it melts it only fills that portion that sits below the water, and the volume remains exactly – exactly – the same. Same way as a boat displaces the amount of water in weight exactly equal to the weight of the boat.
The volume of ice to water is about 1.1 to one (or water takes up .9 the amount of space as ice). Same amount of water (by weight, or # of molecules) takes up more space (volume) when frozen.
I don’t know if water is totally unique in this, but it’s unique among things that the average person is familiar with. Most stuff becomes denser when solid vs. liquid.
Apart from the volume thing, you’re absolutely right and lurker and let the world burn need remedial physics and math.
And if monkeys fly out of your butt, you would still be an asshole Llpoh. The fact is, winter is not going away unless something changes with the Earth’s orbit or the Sun’s output.
I prefer jackass. And I do not like stupid. That idiot said if all the ice melts it wouldn’t significantly increase sea levels, which is plain moronic and untrue.
I never said I believe it would happen. But IF it happens, it will displace hundreds of millions of people, perhaps billions.
I was just at Glacier NP. The Glaciers are disappearing. No bullshit. They are retreating fast. It is a fact. Why? Who knows. But retreating they are. At the current rate they will all be gone in 30 years. Shit happens. Ice ages come. Ice ages go. Glaciers come, they go.
If all the land ice melts, the world is in shit city.
By the way – blow me.
No.
“If all the Antarctic ice melted it would raise the average sea level by about 70 m (230 feet) worldwide.”
Above FACT detailed here …
https://www.coolantarctica.com/Community/antarctica-what-if-all-the-ice-melted.php
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A world map after a 70m sea level rise. (From link above)
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.LLPOH FOR THE WIN !!!!!!!
Of course. But now you will get downvoted! Too funny.,
I will agree with your “fact” when I see it.
Anyway, regardless of what we do or do not do, the climax is always changing. All we can do is deal with it when it happens.
I provided the link, ya moran.
Your link only proves that you agree with the “fact” it provides. It doesn’t mean I have to.
Also, if the weather is hot enough to melt all the ice on earth, a large amount of water would vaporize and go up into the cloud, and there can be many yet unknown factors, so…
you took the clot shot, tight?
And how did you come to that conclusion? Never mind, whatever the reason, it would be just as stupid as it’s untrue.
Anything IS possible. Could really freeze again, and sp could walk to russia.
For some serious information about climate variability — and its causes — look here … there are lots of articles about the increases in the ice levels, etc., plus the extreme cold this past year …
Sorry … the link didn’t get included …
https://electroverse.co
Glaciers calve bergs into the ocean.
And so castles made of ice
Fall in the sea
Eventually
I’m a gastroenterologist.
Or a pooper-scoopper.
But you can call me Jimi.
Fall mountains. Just don’t fall on me.
Not true, however, if the ice is on land before it melts…
There’s no need to be concerned about that front; you’ll just have more clouds.
Looks like the water level dropped a little.
It will drop, water expands when it is frozen and condenses when it melts, resulting in a lower water level.
Nope. Assuming that is in equilibrium temperature at the beginning, the laws of displacement mean that it will be identical volume.
Amazing there are such morons who have no idea about the laws of physics.
Here it is very simply. No matter how much water expands when it turns to ice, it’s mass remains constant. The ice will displace exactly the amount of water of its mass – ie if the ice weighs one ounce, it will displace exactly one once of water.
When the ice melts, it will create exactly one ounce of water. Exactly. No more, no less. That one ounce of water will exactly replace the one ounce of water volume displaced by the ice before it melted. Exactly. Not an iota more nor less.
The only way that that possibly changes is if say the water was hot, and there was enough ice to lower the water temp as it melts, thus shrinking the volume of water slightly.
However, if the water was at equilibrium – ie 32 degrees – then that would not happen, and the ONLY possibility would be that the water temperature would rise – which would cause the volume to INCREASE.
So, there are only two options that can happen when ice is in water and it melts. 1) if the water stays at equilibrium, there will be zero volume change. Or 2) if the water leaves equilibrium and gains in temperature, then the volume will slightly expand.
There is no situation where ice in water melting will reduce volumes. None.
“There is no situation where ice in water melting will reduce volumes.”
Unless the ice above the waterline sublimates.
(When ice evaporates immediately to a gas).
This would reduce the mass available to melt to liquid form.
Well, I said melt. If it sublimates, it doesn’t melt. And to sublimate ice to vapor (more accurate than calling it gas!) you need heat. But sublimation is an interesting process. Good bit of trivia.
But, again, I said melting. If it melts, what I said is correct.
sublimate is phase change no intermediate.
I know that. Which is why if it melts it doesn’t sublimate and what I said is thus accurate. And it takes a shitload of energy to accomplish.
Sublimation does not require heat (or at least very little). Freezer burn is cause by sublimation – all done within your freezer.
Water vapor is not gas. Steam is gas.
You are mistaken re sublimation of water. It takes a shitload of energy (heat). It takes as much, almost, heat to sublimate ice as it does to boil water from 32 degrees. It takes the same energy, save it skips the melting of the ice, as boiling water. You can’t get away from the laws of physics. Turning a solid to a vapor/gas takes lots of energy. The freezer burn you mention also requires a lot of energy.
“In summary, energy is needed for the sublimation of ice to vapor to occur, and most of the energy is needed in the vaporization phase. A cubic centimeter (1 gram) of water in ice form requires 80 calories to melt, 100 calories to rise to boiling point, and another 540 calories to vaporize, a total of 720 calories. Sublimation requires the same energy input, but bypasses the liquid phase.”
720 calories to sublimate 1 gram of water is a buttload.
Exactly. Easily proven by putting water in a closed container and freezing it. how Weebles were invented.
Don’t worry about the down votes.
The only reason they are voting down is because you’re using MATH …. and everyone here knows hat math is raaaaycissss.
Amazing how often “smart” people can’t grasp basic math. Tells you a lot about the state of the world – facts don’t matter, narrative is everything.
Llpoh (and Stucky) They’re here:
Yes, but mass and volume are not the same thing. The expansion IS increase in volume. The water level remains the same because the amount of increased volume of ice is actually above the liquid water. When it melts, it loses volume (multiply by 0.9) and the part that had been above the water level is gone.
This is exactly wrong because you’re misusing the word volume. Volume is the amount of space something takes up. Water vs. Ice — same mass, different volume. This is because of the crystaline structure that water takes when it freezes. It takes up more space = it has more volume. Again, same mass, same number of molecules taking up more (not less and not the same) space.
By the way, ice does not condense. That is the first clue that that post was bullshit.
condense compress max density. word.
Rising sea levels are more likely to rise because of soil erosion carried by rivers into the seas than by ice melting on land making its way to the oceans.
1) land ice over the Artic will raise sea levels IF it melts. There is a lot of land ice.
2) water expands when it warms. IF the oceans heat up the water will expand and levels will rise.
I don’t buy into man made climate change. But if, for any reason, the land ice melts and the sea temps go up, it isn’t going to be pretty. It will cause a shit ton of issues for mankind.
Here is Llpoh, banging his head against the wall, trying to convince people to agree with something that may happen in billions of years from now on, possibly after mankind has gone extinct.
Also, in case you did not notice, places that were once deep under water are now up the mountain, and places that were up the mountain are now deep under sea. The Climax is not the only thing that will change. So stop worrying about things that you have no control over and will not happen in a thousand lifetimes.
That can’t be right, the water is level and we live on a globe.
My buddy in college had a saying for these sorts of things: ‘Don’t clutter the air with facts’.
Now do ice bergs on land.
Lice bergs on land – do those.
” ice bergs on land” sounds like some Joo in Israel.
The planet has been through a lot worse than us, been then through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drifts, solar flares, sunspots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles, hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets, and asteroids, and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring Ice Ages, and we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet, the planet, the planet isn’t going anywhere, we are! We’re going away. Pack your shit folks, we’re going away, and we won’t leave much of a trace either. Thank God for that! – George Carlin
This times 1000. We are so arrogant. We think we are killing the planet earth. If anything, we are killing ourselves. The planet earth will survive.
“All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.” Ecclesiastes 1:7.
I know, right?
Evaporation? Just kidding…..
I learned that at University doing hydraulics for engineering.
H20 is a closed loop system, you can store it, use it, use it as a catalyst, drink it, pee it, distil it, evaporate it, breathe it in and out but you cannot make more of or reduce the total amount that is trapped on Earth.
It is a closed Loop and Sea levels have not risen nor have they fallen BUT the Earth tectonic plate movements up and down and long term erosion alter the perceived levels
That is generally true. But you can change its form and location. Right now a lot of it is solid and perched over land at the southern part of the earth. If that moved say into the sea it would alter things a mite.
One theory I heard was that Earth is constantly bombarded with, essentially, snowballs from space. That’s how the theory accounted for much of the water on Earth.
“Snowballs from Space” could be a cool band name.
Last comment, probably –
I do this just to see how many idiots are out here posting on TBP. Turns out that is a big number. See, the thing is I am really, really good at numbers and math. In fact, in my entire life, I have never met anyone better. I see this shit like other people see a color. I know immediately if someone is lying or mistaken. And on this thread, one idiot after another has reared their heads. No matter how I have explained it, they are too stupid figure it out.
That bodes ill. When people cannot accept facts, or see them, then narrative becomes everything. I don’t trust narrative, especially when they deny clear fact. This stuff is easy to calculate, and has zero to do with any narrative. IF the ice melts, it would be very, very bad. Yet idiots will argue that true fact.
We are screwed.
The ice will not melt such to change sea levels so as to put seaboard cities under water…Won’t happen. APW people have said that this would occur in the year 2020 back in 1980. Nobody has EVER provided evidence that there is a correlation between temperature and the level of CO2 in the atmosphere,, If there is no correlation, than there can be no causation..
CO2 .440 ppm in the one percent of the atmosphere. The largest greenhouse gas in the one percent is water vapor… Maybe we should get rid of some water…but where???
No, not we. It’s just you that got screwed in the head. Get out of your room and go for a walk. Thank me later.
I’m sure you and others being really good at numbers and math will save the world – or just Australia, for that matter.
Last comment forever, llpoh, or just on this thread? Did your travels to the US include Shitcago? It’s supposed to be the Summer of Joy. Summer isn’t over yet, but conditions probably won’t improve.
Never. Too many idiots to antagonise to leave forever.
Ok.
Is that measured as volume or (m)ass?
water expands frozen, so when it shrinks it would occupy less space, potentially lowering water levels.
what we should really be looking at is purifying and harvesting icewater
Another moron. Go figure.
wow.
both wrong.
A simple everyday thing that schoolchildren know and no one here (including the self proclaimed smartest man on the planet) can figure it out.
Daniel, when it shrinks it does take up less space. However, the water levels do not go down because the amount that it shrinks is exactly the same amount that is above (liquid) water when it’s frozen.
The volume of water increases when it freezes (by 1.111 times).
Its density — PAY ATTENTION LLPOH — which is DEFINED as “mass PER unit of volume”, decreases (multiply by 0.9). This is why ice floats in liquid water. It is LESS dense. It has more volume for the same mass of water. 0.1 (10%) of it is then pushed up above the level of the liquid water.
When they say that 90% of an iceberg is underwater, that’s not an approximation or just a saying. 10% is above the (liquid) water because of the increased SPACE (a.k.a. volume) that the crystalline ice takes up when it freezes.
Since the Earth is flat, it won’t matter. The extra water will run to the underside and drip off.
But, the tortoises? Will they drown?
Humans expounding on climate are like ants discussing nuclear power plants. It’s beyond absurd.