Guest Post by Fred Reed
Pleasurable excitement ripples through the usual boredom of Washington, and the resident curiosities enjoy exquisite frissons, over the possibility of nuclear war over the Ukraine. Some official of the EU, or maybe it was the mediocrity in the White House with the truculence problem, but anyway one of the geniuses ruling the planet’s fate has said that if Russia used nukes, the Russian army would be destroyed, grrr, bowwow, woof. Exactly how it would be destroyed, the sayer didn’t say. Anyway, the threats and counterthreats swirl around the idea that a nuke war between Russia and the West might occur. Maybe, with tactical nukes in the Ukraine, about which nobody gives a rat’s nether region. The world is full of damned fools.
But:
The general staffs of both Russia and China are, whatever else you may think of them, sane. They know of America’s massive nuclear forces. They are not going to launch an atomic war. Sane behavior cannot be relied on with Washington’s second-rate lawyers, but the generals in the Pentagon are not crazy. They like hobbyist wars and big budgets, but if Biden ordered a nuclear strike, they would be likely to suddenly remember that Congress has to declare war and, seeing that their radar screens were empty of incoming missiles, and say, “Mr. President, we are not authorized to do that.” And recommend a committee.
what would such a war be like? Let’s guess.
America is fragile. We don’t notice because it works smoothly and because when a local catastrophe occurs—earthquake, hurricane, tornado—the rest of the country steps in to remedy things. The country can handle normal and regional catastrophes. But nuclear war is neither normal nor regional. Very few warheads would serve to wreck the United States beyond recovery for decades. This should be clear to anyone who actually thinks about it.
Defense is impossible. Missile defenses are meaningless except as money funnels to the arms industry. This is not the place to go into decoys, hypersonics, Poseidon, maneuvering glide vehicles, bastion stationing, MIRV, just plain boring old cruise missiles, and so on. Coastal cities are particularly easy targets, being vulnerable to submarine-launched sea-skimming missiles. Washington, New York, Boston, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle for starters, all gone.
A modern country is a system of systems of systems, interdependent and interconnected—water, electricity, manufacturing, energy, telecommunications, transportation, pipelines, and complex supply chains. These are interconnected, interdependent, and rely on large numbers of trained people showing up for work. Modern warheads are not the popgun squibs of Hiroshima. Talking of repair any time soon after the nuclear bombing of a conurbation is foolish because the city would have many hundreds of thousand of dead, housing destroyed, massive fires, horrendously burned people with no hope of medical care, and in general populations too focused on staying alive to worry about abstractions like supply chains.
The elimination of transportation might cause more death than the bombs. Cities, suburbs, and towns cannot feed themselves. They rely on a constant, heavy influx of food grown in remote regions. This food is shipped by rail or truck to distribution centers, as for example Chicago, whence it is transshipped to cities like New York. Heavy megatonnage on Chicago would disrupt rail lines and trucking firms. Trains and trucks need gasoline and diesel which come from somewhere, presumably in pipelines. These, broken by the blast, burning furiously, would take time to repair. Time is what cities would not have.
What would happen in, say, New York City even if, improbably, it were not bombed? Here we will ignore the likelihood of sheer, boiling panic and resultant chaos on learning that much of the country had been flattened. In the first few days there would be panic buying with shelves at supermarkets being emptied. Hunger would soon become serious. By day four, people would be hunting each other with knives to get their food. By the end of the second week, people would be eating each other. Literally. This happens in famines.
Most things in America rely on electricity. This comes from generating plants which burn stuff, usually natural gas or coal. These arrive on trains, which would not be running, or in trucks, not likely to be running. They depend on oil fields, refineries, and pipelines unlikely to function. All of the foregoing depend on employees continuing to go to work instead of trying to save their families. So—no electricity in New York, which goes dark.
This means no telephones, no internet, no lighting, and no elevators. How would this work out in a city of high rises? Most people would be nearly incommunicado in a lightless city. Huge traffic jams would form as people with cars tried to leave—to go where?—as long as gasoline in the tank lasted.
Where does water come from in New York? I don’t know, but it doesn’t flow spontaneously to the thirtieth floor. It needs to be pumped, which involves electricity, from wherever it comes from to wherever it has to go. No electricity, no pump. No pump, no water. And no flushing of toilets. River water could be drunk, of course. Think of the crowds.
In all likelihood, civil society would collapse by the end of the fourth day. The more virile ethnics would surge from the ghettos with guns and clubs to feed. Police would have disappeared or be either looking after their families or themselves looting. Civilization is a thin veneer. The streets and subways are not safe even without a nuclear war. The majority would be unarmed and unable to defend themselves. People who had never touched a gun would suddenly understand the appeal. If you think this would not happen, give my best to Tinker Belle.
Thus it would not be necessary to bomb a city to destroy it, only to cut it off from transport hubs for a couple of weeks. An attacker would of course destroy many cities in addition to necessary infrastructure. Those who plan nuclear wars may be psychopaths, or just insular geeks fiddling with bloodless abstractions, but they are not fools. They have carefully calculated how to most seriously damage a target country. In no more than a couple of months, perhaps two hundred million people would starve to death. Do you think this fantastic? Tell me why it is fantastic.
Parenthetically, in my days of walking the E-ring in the Pentagon, I read manuals on how to keep soldiers fighting after they had received lethal doses of radiation. They don’t die immediately and, depending on dosage, might be administered stimulants to keep them on their feet, or so the manuals said. These manuals also discussed whether these walking dead should be told that they were about to die. The authors used the evocative phrase “terrain alteration” to describe landscapes with all the trees lying on their sides, and we have all heard of “overkill.” After a nuclear war, millions would slowly die of radiation—read up on Nagasaki and Hiroshima—and burned corpses would rot in the streets, too numerous for burial by survivors with other things on their minds.
How would the next season’s crops be planted? Answer: they wouldn’t be. Where would fertilizer come from? Parts for tractors, trucks, harvesters? Making these requires functioning factories which require electricity, raw materials, and workers. If the attacker chose to hit agricultural lands with radiation-dirty cobalt bombs, these regions would be lethal for years. Nuclear planners think about these things.
Among “defense intellectuals,” there is, or was when I covered such things, insane talk of how America could “absorb” a Russian first strike and have enough missiles in reserve to destroy Russia. These people should be locked in sealed boxes and kept in abandoned coal mines.
Note also that Biden, Blinken, and Bolton, bibbety bobbety boo, and their families, live in DC, the priority target. While the rats are aboard the ship, they won’t sink it. If they are discovered boarding a Greyhound out of Washington at three a.m., dressed as washerwomen, it will be time to worry.
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Uncle Schlomo needs a nuclear war, even if it is fake and gay, to distract the masses from the fact that everyone they know that took the death jab is sick and dying, and, never forget, bruh, The Russians and Chinese did this!!!
Radiation poisoning causes myocarditis and blood clots.
Everybody knows that!!!
Wait, doesn’t radiation make your gums bleed and your hair fall out?
Nope. That only happened in the sixties. But NEW radiation can give you a stroke and a heart attack!!!
Don’t worry. We have an mRNA vaccine just for radiation.
You’ll be safe!!!
No need for a new vaccine, we already protect you against the nuclear variant….
That new drug the government just bought a lot of was supposedly for radiation sickness, but my research shows it is more likely for certain presentations of vaccine injuries.
RRD – You are very close to the truth, they actually have new drugs to treat radiation exposure. The pills also cause the same side effects as the Covid vaxx. I know, you’re shocked….right?
And that the Jew created dollar federal reserve note is worth a penny of 100 years ago.
Almost.
You didn’t have to bring that shit into your excellent point about inflation, shissforbrains.
Why don’t you want to know who is fucking you over? Why are you afraid of the truth?
flash,
I do not know of anyone who is sick and dying because of the jab. I am, however, in DC. Maybe the DC area got the saline jab?
Fags all got the saline.
Got to save the glorious Petrodollar, too.
Fred Reed has yet to be wrong about anything.
If you haven’t been reading him for years, you are not informed.
He is a shit-driller. So, he is wrong about the most fundamental aspects of life. Probably colors his other takes.
So…what you’re saying is…that it’s NOT possible to survive a nuclear attack??
Only if you have lots of gold to spend trading with flesh burnt zombies who have nothing but festering sores and an insatiable appetite for human flesh.
No gold, but I do have an old-fashioned school desk. I bet that would save me. 🤔
Toilet paper is great for trade, too…zombie love that stuff , because of the diarrhea from the fallout , don’t you know…
This is getting more exciting by the day. Good to know. Will stock up.
That’s what they told us in grade school.
Duck and cover.
I’m more worried about surviving the government and its adherents.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
three things may help you survive initially. Not being in a targeted city. The jet stream in your favor. A shelter with dirt above you, such as a under ground garage, large culvert under a road, or a cellar……..all need 2-3 feet of earth above you and no draft. Then the problems/solutions begin. 8 days water to stay in place for eight days or more, some food, lots of ammo you can carry such as 2 boxes of 12g 00buckshot, 100rds 45acp or maybe 100 rounds 223, with the iron to operate with. That will get you to your stash/home…if you got one.
No, unless you have an armed group in a remote location with a great deal of food stored…Otherwise you will starve or be killed by raiders…
Is it time yet to know locations of c.o.g. bunkers?
To all you good folks who offered up prayers for my mother and myself …. a sincere and huge THANK YOU from a grateful heart.
I’ll be seeing her in a little while and your kindness will bring a smile to her face, for sure!
“A joyful heart is good medicine, …” —– Proverbs 17:22
Best wishes.
Stucky- I have been uber busy at the doomstead. I missed hearing about this, I am guessing that Mama is in the hospital? Huge prayers to Mama and to you, so sorry I missed this info.
I guess drinking a beer (or vodka) and working out a peace deal would be too tough.
All these extra billions of people aren’t going to kill themselves, fella.
SOMEBODY has to get the Slaughter Bowl going. They stopped taking our vaccines. So? PLAN B!!!
Sports ballers and the fans… mandatory Vax for both players and fans?
Oh, wait! ‘mandatory’ might be sexist, call it ‘datory’.
Actually most of them lined up to get the death jab.
which was likely saline…
Last I looked saline solution doesn’t cause Myocardial issues blood clots, bells palsy, birth rates to collapse or the dreaded “died suddenly “
At least we don’t have to deal with mean tweets, so there’s that.
Mediocrity? Thats is an insanely generous compliment. If a score of par in golf is mediocre then the White House competency evaluation should be triple bogey.
Not hard to imagine what a nuclear war would be like. One word can describe that. HELL
Especially against hypersonic missiles.
A few weeks ago Russia fired a hypersonic missile at a NATO training base in western Ukie … resulting in much damage and deaths. The base was well protected by European anti-missile defense systems and, I believe, also the Patriot system. Here’s the thing …. those systems never even saw the incoming missile, didn’t even have time to set off the sirens!!
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Dementia Joe sure sniffs a lot of shit ..
Omg. That’s cocaine withdrawal. Everything’s so clear now.
Anyone paying attention knows the Patriot system is useless against anything but dumb rocket technology 50 years old or more. It has a .75 kill rate against garage made rockets.
“These people should be locked in sealed boxes and kept in abandoned coal mines.”
– Fred Reed
Finally, some common sense advice.
Bound like fallen angels
Sounds like the origins of “Idiocracy”.
Except the part about abandonment of coal mines.
Though a little bit on the soft side…
How do you think that phone call went?
“Hello?”
“Fred?”
“Yeah?”
“You know who this is?”
“Yes sir.”
“We’d like to order a number 6. Make it extra spicy.”
*CLICK*
He went far too in-depth, the EMP would shut down damn near every electrical piece of equipment. Other than a few things that are hardened or in a faraday cage, everything would be toast. No need for fuel when the electronics are cooked.
You can burn it to stay warm this winter.
Actually, just hitting the major transformer farms and transmission lines would wreak total havoc, and taking out the generation plants would finish us off…
I thought this piece of shit was done after his affair with the writer…. Oh well must be protected.
The America military is run by mediocrities. “King David”, Mad Dog, Milley. Please.
Indeed, general ineptitude, has been in charge for quite a while.
Clown World Faggot’s global interest is threatened…reeeee.
Whose rules? B3RG*s’ rules.
What rules? Might Makes Right.
Every time.
Pine land rules…every man a target…
Get some, evil Putler !
https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/20221023182441-charlie-dagata-speaks-with-u-s-troops-near-ukrainian-border/#x
Uncle Schlomo false flagging the 101st …what are the odds?
Sure …light infantry will terrify the Russkis…
Rules based international order? Watch us as we bomb nations all over the world.
Look at that chest full of participation pieces of flair.
The DOD weeds out the righteous, the competent, and the independent thinkers.
Paula Broadwell
Don’t know how to post the pic.
HA! Come to the US.
Projection as usual…
I could give you half a dozen recent examples of jews accusing others of projecting when they are projecting themselves.
There is something about a man in his dotage dying his hair that skeeves me out. It is a huge red warning flag about his character.
Betrayus is in on the scam, and laying the groundwork…
Every person promoting this insanity should be flown to downtown Kherson right now.
And their fucking kids if they have any.
Then they would have Skin in the Game!
Small correction. In NYC, there’s no drinking river water. The Hudson is salty all the way up to Poughkeepsie (70 miles or so north). There is a small reservoir in Central Park, and most of the water flows down to NYC from the large reservoirs upstate, so I guess those will keep flowing, but without the “cleaning” operations that get done,
Apparently Fred never saw “Die Hard with a Vengeance”
It is said that while NYC’s water is of high quality from clean mountain sources in the Adaronacks half of what is put in the pipelines leaks out once it gets to the city because of a rotten distribution system.
“Police would have disappeared or be either looking after their families or themselves looting.”
In Katrina, many police never showed up for work for one reason or another and in a number of cases were seen looting stores right along with everyone else.
“People who had never touched a gun would suddenly understand the appeal.”
If you don’t have the ability to defend yourself you’re not likely to last very long.
Because the NOPD were paid something like 18k a year. It was the most corrupt police force in the country. They earned their living mostly through corruption, bribes and shakedowns, most of which was unavailable in the aftermath of Katrina.. No reason to go to work if you’re not getting “paid”.
Some of the cops were busted for stealing Cadilacs from the dealers.
In the unlikely event that I didn’t get blowed up real good right here in Minneapolis or die from fallout blowing in from the nuclear silos in North Dakota, I’d head to my northern redoubt and live on sunfish and pancakes for a couple years. Then I’d seek out any surviving lasses and help repopulate. Thank God I’m not vaccinated.
Iska- If that picture of DC at the top of the page is ‘sposed to upset me, mega fail. Southern rebel yell at the prospect……they can have at it.
If you decide to expand it and have it printed and framed, I’d split the costs with you to have my own copy.
Pan fish and pancakes, Yummm!
Throw in some homebrew made from wild raspberries.
“Civilization is a thin veneer.”
It’s the original plastic, Mrs. Robinson.
The Ikea killers invented it (or commandeered it, if you must), slapped & wrapped it onto infrastructure furnishings, called it a table of contents, said it could-should-would-shall be pumped into tabula rasas far & wide.
And the mass merch gobbled up the mass merch.
In the 60’s the supersalesmen (whether psycho, socio, or just completely amoral) called that lot, their “customers,” mooches. Merch, mooch, too bad calling the whole thing off is not on the table.
The stages of grief thing. See Steph’s recent rage.
Better that than Charlie Brown never not mooching Lucy’s blue licorice.
But CB mooches are *everywhere* (I-Charlie-Brown-Moocher … the original & still the worst ICBM).
Breaker-breaker? Where’s my flying Trans-Am?
Same place Burt is, that’s where. And that’s where all these deathwishers want to be, too.
But if some of them can get in a little “Deliverance” action first, even better.
The post is either a stream of consciousness exercise…or somebody’s Bot has gone rogue.
Fred’s channeling his inner James Joyce
The Graduate. Dustin Hoffman. 1967. “I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. / Yes, sir. Are you listening? / Yes, I am. / Plastics.”
You know Ikea, mass mercher of veneered furniture substitutes?
Kübler-Ross grief staging: denial-anger-bargaining-depression-acceptance. Or in Steph’s case, rage.
Charlie Brown (initials CB). “Good grief.” Lucy’s blue licorice (yesterday) means the football will not be pulled away this time. CB never goes for the red, or the black licorice.
CB radios. Breaker-breaker. Smokey & the Bandit. Burt Reynolds – he’s dead. Black Trans-Am. Flying car (yesterday).
Merch/mooch tomato/tomahto (lets call the whole thing off).
Deliverance. Burt again. Piggy’s conch (today) sodomized. And the sodomizers getting what they always wanted: penetrated unto piercing the veil.
If ya’ll think this is Joycean I think maybe you heard through the grapevine that invoking JJ is a cool nose-job (upturned) disparagement but that maybe you never read JJ.
(((“A quarter after what an unearthly hour I suppose theyre just getting up in China now combing out their pigtails for the day well soon have the nuns ringing the angelus theyve nobody coming in to spoil their sleep except an odd priest or two for his night office or the alarmlock next door at cockshout clattering the brain out of itself let me see if I can doze off 1 2 3 4 5 what kind of flowers are those they invented like the stars the wallpaper in Lombard street was much nicer the apron he gave me was like that something only I only wore it twice better lower this lamp and try again so that I can get up early.” ~ a bit of Ulysses stream-flow
)))
Not seeing the connections doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
Not being connected maybe means you want/need a lifeline – here it is – or a lariat-lasso, or some bitchin’ Gulliver threads to tie your kangaroo down, sport … none of that’s my line, but that’s all the coast-to-coast strip mall sells, & seeing some beef that ain’t the MickeyD’s substitute stuff is upsetting to some.
But, if resolute, a palate can be expanded & BigMacs can be put away … by somebody else.
Burt wished he’d have gotten laid in the backseat more often by Dinah Shore.
You VERY vividly described what WOULD happen. Sobering to say the least.
However, You may want to Edit/Remove…
” Washington, New York, Boston, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle for starters, all gone. ”
🤣 Many people MIGHT start to think…”Good Start!, All considered, how bad could the repercussions be, comparatively speaking?”
I’d advise staying clear of Washington DC, especially during the next State of the Union address. The designated survivor could very well be just that.
Jill will be putting Joe to bed early that night.
Doesn’t matter if it’s a nuke, financial meltdown or sustained power outage, it’s all about location, food, water…and lots of ammo. It’s going to take your friends and neighbors to survive if it comes to any of this, the vermin won’t waste any time forming packs and ranging out. Learn to shoot and then learn to pray if they don’t know how already.
“…the vermin won’t waste any time forming packs and ranging out…”
Yes they will. They’re already showing signs of organized pack strikes and, unfortunately, they’re getting pretty good at it. And their equipment is decent.
My sense is they’re being trained for what’s coming. As in, actual training from legitimate sources. And I’ll be very happy if my assessment is wrong.
Don’t underestimate the threat. And plan accordingly.
If your talking about those nigro packs raiding stores, it will be different when the owners start fighting back like the Korean owners did in LA. Also attacking and looting a store in town is completely different than raiding the farmers barn, who shoots raccoons at night with FLIR at distances. Everyone underestimates the old farmer who has relied on no one (especially LE) his whole life.
Tell Old McDonald to ready himself for a gaggle of ARMED raccoons, any number of whom may be the bearers of night observation devices of their own.
Think of this enemy merely as stupid and incapable at your peril.
And remember…
…nobody ever lost a battle by overestimating his enemy.
Defense in depth, brother. You know what I mean.
Did you know you can make a pretty good mine field out of a couple boxes of shotgun shells and some thumb tacks?
Did you know that no one armors the bottom of their feet?
“…no one armors the bottom of their feet…”
…
he he he
!!!
You need a group and a defensible location, or at least be more than one gas tank from the cities…
You lost me at “…the generals in the Pentagon aren’t crazy.”
Gotta call BS on that.
Please state your preferred pronouns in your rebuttals.
Fred is confident that the people in charge know how bad a nuke war would be, so he is sure they won’t do it.
Nice to be sure. The main characteristic I see from politicians, media, WEF, population control groups, the Davos crowd, and even typical liberals is the absolute lack of any clue how things actually get done in society. They know nothing about growing food, providing energy, chemical provision, nor anything about logistics.
They just get everything they need from Amazon and Whole Foods.
I don’t doubt for one second that these folks would drop a bomb in the blithely mistaken assurance that it would not affect
them
.
You win the internet for the week!!!
Dropping the bomb gives them their much needed instant satisfaction; at least that’s what they think.
“If you think I won’t, then, baby, maybe I will!” – Hank Williams … Jr.
If nukes hit DC, NYC, Houston, LA, this civilization would come to a screeching halt.
Ok. I got nothing against Houston, but you’ve convinced me with the other ones. Bring it.
If DC was nuked. Just DC and nothing else, I’m not sure a lot of people in the country would give a shit. Not enough to push for an all out war anyway.
And I’d be willing to bet that a large minority of people would approve, if only inwardly. Especially since aside from the fallout, which would mostly go over the Atlantic ocean, the rest of the country would otherwise be unaffected..
Fred at his best, discussing the common sense of nuclear war…