What about this from Ron Unz?

Guest Post by Ron Unz

Many have declared that our alternative webzine features some of the most controversial content published anywhere on the Internet, notably including the explosive articles in my own lengthy American Pravda series.

Meanwhile, the global Covid epidemic has been the dominant issue of the last three years, generating more controversy than any other topic, at least prior to the outbreak of the Russia-Ukraine war.

Yet oddly enough, with one crucial exception—the origins of the virus—my own Covid views have been remarkably mainstream and humdrum, not too far from what I’ve seen in the pages of the New York Times and the Economist. This situation had naturally provoked outrage in many of our regular readers, who had often had been drawn to our website because they automatically rejected everything that the mainstream media promoted.

The conflict was especially severe with regard to the vaxxing controversy, and I’d guess that 95% of our readers vocal on the subject were anti-vaxxers, often extremely fervent ones. Nearly all of our regular writers and columnists who focused on that topic also fell into that same category, including Mike Whitney, Paul Craig Roberts, Linh Dinh, Gilad Atzmon, Israel Shamir, C.J. Hopkins, and several other contributors. But during my decades of political activism, I’ve frequently been in a small minority, sometimes standing almost alone on an important position, so I wasn’t particularly disturbed when this happened yet again in the pages of my own webzine, especially since I wasn’t particularly interested in the vaxxing issue.

Various other alt-writers or activists privately told me that they actually shared my views, but were very reluctant to say so lest they be swarmed and vilified by a horde of militant anti-vaxxers or even risk burning bridges with longtime friends and allies. Steve Sailer, our leading blogger, maintained his strongly pro-vaxx position, but only very rarely raised the issue since whenever he did so he would always be blasted by many of his own commenters. Vaxxing had become an ultra-touchy subject.

Refusing to conceal my views, in mid-2021 I published a long critique of the anti-vaxxing case, and every six months or so followed it up with another one. These functioned as powerful lightning rods, drawing vast waves of attacks by agitated anti-vaxxers, which eventually totaled close to 10,000 comments and perhaps a couple of million words. Indeed, some anti-vaxxers claimed that our lightly-moderated website had soon accumulated the largest body of anti-vaxxing content found anywhere on the Internet, thereby attracting anti-vaxxers from far and wide who sought detailed support for their views.

But all the mounting statistical evidence seemed to confirm my original skepticism, and each of my articles was somewhat more firm in drawing those conclusions than the preceding one.

That last article had noted that although anti-vaxxers argued that a huge wave of fatal heart attacks and strokes had been due to the mRNA vaccines, the American mortality statistics demonstrated that almost the entire rise had occurred during 2020 before the vaxxing began.

I summarized my findings in a few simple points:

  1. Vaxxing only began on December 14, 2020, so it would have had almost no public health impact during that year.
  2. Except for homicides and accidents, nearly all the major changes in American death rates occurred in 2020, so these must have been due to Covid.
  3. Except for homicides and accidents, non-Covid death rates showed almost no change in 2021 and 2022, so the vaccines probably had no impact one way or the other.

 

The Daily Sceptic is a leading alt-Covid website based in Britain, sharply critical of establishmentarian positions on Covid issues including vaxxing, and in late December I began corresponding with its editor Will Jones in connection with an excellent article he had published on Covid origin issues.

At one point, I happened to mention some New Zealand mortality statistics I’d seen somewhere, and he corrected them, directing me to the Human Mortality Database website, whose numbers he considered authoritative. Although the HMD had been launched in June 2020, I hadn’t previously heard of it and I immediately recognized it as an extremely useful source for such crucial information from dozens of mostly Western countries, conveniently aggregating, stratifying, and displaying official data that would otherwise remain buried on governmental websites. Given its apparent affiliation with both UC Berkeley and the Max Planck Institute plus its recommendation by the Daily Sceptic, I decided I could treat its numbers as quite reliable.

A excellent longtime commenter from Iceland calling himself “Niceland” had said he’d seen no indications of any significant numbers of vaxxing deaths in the mortality statistics of his own small, tightly-knit island republic, nor in those of a couple of other European countries whose data he’d tracked down. This made me curious about the broader international pattern, and the HMD website now gave me easy access to all of these statistics from a large number of countries, so I decided to investigate the issue more carefully.

From the beginning, alt-Covid activists have reasonably argued that cause of death is a somewhat ambiguous verdict, easily subject to official manipulation, and that considerable numbers of deaths might have been misattributed to Covid. Thus, they often point to total mortality rates as a much more solid metric to use, with these being the most reliable statistics for any country, especially the developed nations covered by the HMD website.

Furthermore, both the mainstream media and alt-Covid activists agree that Covid deaths were overwhelmingly concentrated among the elderly, with younger individuals having relatively little chance of dying from the disease. Therefore, the mortality statistics of the working-age population would be the place to seek evidence of vaxxing deaths, since any such signal would not be masked by the far larger number of ordinary Covid deaths.

The HMD website conveniently displayed mortality totals for those in the 15-64 working-age range, whose outright Covid deaths might be expected to be quite low, and this seemed the best category in which to explore the impact of vaxxing. The website showed excess deaths relative to a selected baseline, and I chose to use the average of the years 2015-2019 since those were available for all the countries listed.

The results were extremely enlightening. Although the non-elderly populations of almost all those countries had been very heavily dosed with Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines, I found that many of them had actually experienced large “mortality deficits” during those years. Far fewer working-age individuals had died during 2021 and 2022 than would have been predicted in 2019.

This was true for roughly half of all the countries that had used Western-style mRNA vaccines, including France, Sweden, South Korea, Denmark, Belgium, and Finland. Much of the unexpectedly low mortality during those years may have been because the lockdowns and social distancing had reduced deaths from other sorts of contagious diseases and from traffic accidents. But regardless of the cause, if the massive vaccination drives were followed by noticeable reductions in mortality rates, it seemed unlikely that the vaxxing was causing substantial number of non-elderly deaths.

However, the United States was a very obvious exception to this pattern. We had experienced a large rise in working-age deaths beginning in 2020 and this continued into 2021 and 2022 although our vaxxing rates were generally below those of most of the other countries. We were not alone, with Canada, Chile, England, Australia, and a couple of other countries showing the same pattern of large excess deaths among the non-elderly, although none were quite as extreme as ours.

The common factor seemed to be the obesity rate, with America ranking highest in that measure and those other countries also mostly located towards the top of the international tables. Indeed, across all the countries in the HMD system, the correlation between the obesity rate and working-age average excess mortality rate was a moderately strong 0.56. This important result was a central conclusion of my resulting article.

 

I believed that the case I’d made was a very strong one, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that several of the more moderate and open-minded vaccine-skeptics seemed to agree, saying that my analysis was quite persuasive and even suggesting that I might be correct.

A couple of days before my article had been released, I’d appeared on Kevin Barrett’s Truth Jihad podcast for an hour-long show, and after I described the evidence I’d found, he thought I’d made a strong prima facie case.

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Mike Whitney emphasized that I was conceding the broader theoretical arguments of the anti-vaxxing position even while claiming that the empirical evidence ultimately came out on the other side, and I generally agreed with him about that.

Tom Woods, a prominent libertarian figure and former Ron Paul advisor, had been a sharp critic of the vaccines, and he tweeted out his reaction to my article.

 

A couple of substackers squarely in the anti-vaxxing camp analyzed my quantitative claims and decided that I might be correct.

Several anti-vaxxers discussed my analysis on another substack thread, with some of them thinking I was probably correct and others wondering why none of the leading anti-vaxxers had yet responded to my provocative analysis.

In the past, prominent figures in the anti-vaxxing camp such as Steve Kirsch and Brett Weinstein had eagerly sought to debate opponents of their position, and in my article I had gladly offered to take up that challenge. Another anti-vaxxer was only partially convinced by my analysis, but she urged Kirsch to debate me and 74% of her readers in a poll took the same position.

Although Kirsch didn’t immediately mention my article, a few days after it ran he reiterated his support for a detailed analysis of vaxxing deaths by a British math professor named Norman Fenton, which had been widely promoted on Twitter. This prompted commenter Niceland to examine those claims and he attempted to refute them in a long comment.

Then on Friday, Kirsch contacted me, and we spent an hour discussing the topic the following day. He seemed quite surprised by some of my mortality statistics both for the US and other countries, and said he would carefully digest the information and then consider preparing a detailed response to my analysis.

 

Although many might find a strictly quantitative analysis persuasive, I think the evidence of working-age mortality rates for the various countries during 2019-2022 is especially compelling when examined visually, so I spent a couple of hours producing a complete set of those charts.

For example, here are the weekly mortality charts for France, Denmark, Finland, and Sweden, all having relatively low obesity rates, and they show mortality deficits each year. All of these countries were very heavily mRNA vaxxed during 2021, but there is no sign of any rise in their deaths after that vaxxing campaign began. (Clicking on the small images opens the full-size ones.)

France Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2022

Denmark Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2022

Finland Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2022

Sweden Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2022

France is by far the largest of these countries in population, and here are a couple of charts from Wikipedia showing the chronology and details of the French vaccination campaign, which was far heavier than that in America.

Unlike those previous countries, the US, Canada, Chile, and England all have much higher average obesity. Their charts show large excess mortality once the Covid epidemic began in 2020, but with no noticeable increase after the 2021 launch of the vaxxing campaign, and in some cases an apparent decrease in deaths, especially in 2022. No one looking at these weekly mortality charts would have ever suspected that there had been a massive 2021 vaccination drive.

USA Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2022

Canadian Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2022

Chile Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2022

England and Wales Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2022

Here is a chart from Wikipedia showing the trajectory of the American vaccination campaign:

The mortality charts for a few other countries are also worth considering.

A strict quarantine policy had allowed the island continent of Australia to almost entirely avoid Covid infections until it completed its vaccination campaign by the end of 2021. And despite the massive amount of vaxxing that year, mortality rates remained almost entirely flat, until the virus began circulating in early 2022, at which point excess deaths rose substantially. Australia has very high obesity, and apparently the vaccines were only moderately effective in protecting working-age Australians from the dangerous consequences of the virus, though the excess mortality was far less severe than that in pre-vaccinated Canada, whose obesity levels are similar.

Australia Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2022

Meanwhile, vaxxing came very late to Bulgaria, only reaching significant portions of the population towards the end of 2021 and with less than one-third of the country fully vaccinated by February 2022; meanwhile Covid itself began circulating in late 2020, more than a year earlier. The resulting mortality charts show a series of three major spikes from late 2020 until early 2022, with very large excess deaths occurring prior to the beginning of the vaxxing campaign but then completely disappearing once the bulk of the population had been fully vaccinated.

Bulgaria Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2022

South Korea was very heavily vaxxed during 2021, reaching the 86% level, roughly half with Pfizer and half with Oxford, and there was no noticeable change in the working-age mortality rates during this period. However, the country had also maintained a strict zero-Covid policy, preventing any significant number of infections, then finally relaxed that effort in March 2022, producing a huge spike in Covid cases and also a substantial but very temporary rise in working-age deaths, which soon fell back to normal levels. Thus, the changes in mortality were entirely associated with the rise in infections and had no connection to the vaccination drive.

South Korea Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2022

Finally, Russia has reportedly suffered extremely high excess mortality during the Covid epidemic, and perhaps as a consequence the HMD website has not obtained access to its 2021 and 2022 statistics. But the huge spike that began in the last few months of 2020 certainly suggests how large those mortality rates may have grown over the next couple of years. Note that Russia has relied upon its own homegrown, non-mRNA vaccine, but which was anyway not yet available in large quantities at that point.

Russia Working-Age Mortality Rates, 2019-2020

All of these national mortality results seem very consistent with the hypothesis that the combination of Covid and obesity produces a large number of non-elderly deaths, but they show no sign of any significant number of deaths from the Covid vaccines. Furthermore, the obesity rate itself may actually be a proxy for a larger constellation of negative personal health characteristics.

I produced roughly 150 of these annual working-age mortality charts for the years 2019-2022, and they are all provided as links in the large table below, which also displays the obesity and vaccination rates for each country.

Country Working-Age (15-64) Mortality Rates Obesity % Fully Vaxxed
Australia 2019 2020 2021 2022 29 85
Austria 2019 2020 2021 2022 20 77
Belgium 2019 2020 2021 2022 22 80
Bulgaria 2019 2020 2021 2022 25 30
Canada 2019 2020 2021 2022 29 84
Chile 2019 2020 2021 2022 28 93
Croatia 2019 2020 2021 2022 24 55
Czechia 2019 2020 2021 2022 65
Denmark 2019 2020 2021 2022 20 82
England 2019 2020 2021 2022 28 76
Estonia 2019 2020 2021 2022 21 64
Finland 2019 2020 2021 2022 22 79
France 2019 2020 2021 2022 22 79
Germany 2019 2020 2021 2022 22 76
Greece 2019 2020 2021 2022 25 71
Hungary 2019 2020 2021 2022 26 64
Iceland 2019 2020 2021 2022 22 80
Israel 2019 2020 2021 2022 26 68
Italy 2019 2020 2021 2022 20 80
Latvia 2019 2020 2021 2022 24 68
Lithuania 2019 2020 2021 2022 26 67
Luxembourg 2019 2020 2021 2022 23 75
Netherlands 2019 2020 2021 2022 20 69
New Zealand 2019 2020 2021 2022 31 84
Northern Ireland 2019 2020 2021 2022 28 76
Norway 2019 2020 2021 2022 23 76
Poland 2019 2020 2021 2022 23 60
Portugal 2019 2020 2021 2022 21 87
Russia 2019 2020 23 55
Scotland 2019 2020 2021 2022 28 76
South Korea 2019 2020 2021 2022 5 86
Slovakia 2019 2020 2021 2022 20 47
Slovenia 2019 2020 2021 2022 20 59
Spain 2019 2020 2021 2022 24 86
Sweden 2019 2020 2021 2022 21 74
Switzerland 2019 2020 2021 2022 19 70
Taiwan 2019 2020 2021 87
USA 2017 2018
2019 2020 2021 2022 36 68

 

Those arguing that the Covid vaccines are highly dangerous regularly make the point that large vaccination drives have often been followed by substantial rises in the death rate. But although this is certainly true in some cases, the above mortality charts demonstrate that it is not true in many others.

As a further example, a recent article in the Daily Sceptic discussed a sharp rise in British deaths, analyzing the possible connection to Covid booster campaigns. According to the data presented, surges in deaths were sometimes correlated with boosting, they were sometimes uncorrelated, and they were sometimes anti-correlated, so the overall relationship was hardly clear.

Moreover, I think that even if there were usually a tight association, this sort of statistical relationship might perfectly illustrate the phrase “correlation does not imply causality.”

Consider individuals who regularly wear ballistic—“bullet proof”—vests. I’d assume that the overwhelming majority are either police officers or military troops in combat, and that the violent death rate in such professions is many times greater than that for the general public, given that well over 100,000 troops have already died over the last year in the Ukraine war alone. So there is surely a very high correlation between wearing body-armor and being killed by bullets or shrapnel, but no one would argue that such defensive equipment itself is actually increasing the likelihood of death or injury.

Similarly, the completion of a large Covid vaccination campaign has often prompted a national government to end some of its other public health restrictions such as lockdowns or a strict national quarantine. The vaccines are ineffective at preventing infection or transmission and only so-so in reducing the severity of the illness, so the result would normally be a large wave of new infections and some rise in the death rate. But this does not necessarily mean that the vaxxing itself was responsible for that negative outcome.

By contrast, I think a different sort of correlation calculation provides a far better means of weighing the relative role of vaxxing against other factors in determining the excess deaths in those various countries.

As we saw in the mortality charts displayed above, those countries with high excess mortality during 2020 also generally had high excess mortality during the following two years, and vice-versa. This pattern holds true for a large majority of all the countries whose statistics are available on the HMD website. Niceland emphasized this point in a lengthy comment, producing a chart showing the excess mortality rates for all the countries in the HMD system, as well as a separate chart that only includes the years of 2020 and 2022, in which the relationship becomes even more obvious.

But if the mortality totals of the pre-vaxxing year of 2020 are highly correlated with those of the post-vaxxing year of 2022, that indicates that the level of 2022 deaths was largely determined by the same factors, probably the interaction of Covid infections with local health characteristics, such as obesity levels and the strength of the public health system rather than having been influenced by the vaxxing. The stronger the correlation between the mortality levels of the pre-vaxxing and post-vaxxing years, the less possibility there exists for the vaxxing itself to have played any substantial role.

Niceland produced a scatterplot showing the relationship and found that the 2020-vs-2022 mortality correlation was a very strong 0.82, suggesting that the 2021 vaxxing campaign had minimal influence on the 2022 deaths.

Furthermore, three of the countries involved—Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea—are extreme outliers because their early, zero-Covid policies had prevented the disease from circulating in 2020, which severely distorts the comparison with 2022. If we exclude those countries, the remaining 2020/2022 mortality correlation becomes an extremely strong 0.86, remarkably high for any public health matter. This suggests that the massive vaxxing and boosting efforts of 2021 actually had very little impact upon working-age deaths during 2022.

Taken together all of these different analyses point toward the same conclusion: the mRNA vaccine campaigns were probably not responsible for any significant number of non-elderly deaths.

 

During a time of crisis, when only limited and fragmentary information is available, it is absolutely understandable that many concerned individuals might seize upon early indications of what seems to be a serious public health threat. When our medical and media establishments have repeatedly revealed themselves to be dishonest or unreliable, and they use emergency powers to push through a vaccination campaign of unprecedented scope relying upon an insufficiently tested new medical technology, only the gullible would fail to be deeply suspicious.

However, there also exists the serious risk that such early concerns built upon limited information may eventually harden into concrete and remain in place even if later data suggests that they were mistaken. An echo-chamber of the like-minded can develop that reinforces the fears of all its participants while insulating them from the evidence that would challenge their assumptions.

We should certainly still consider the possibility that the mRNA vaccines injected into billions of people worldwide may have serious, long-term adverse health consequences. But I think that two years of international mortality data have now demonstrated that most of the more extreme fears were overblown, and this should be admitted.

On a very practical level, when one’s opponents on a major political issue overwhelmingly control the commanding heights of government, media, and the medical establishments, it is especially important to avoid clinging to positions that may undermine one’s own credibility, which should be preserved for future battles. There seems little if any solid evidence that the Covid vaccines have caused any significant numbers of deaths, and maintaining otherwise may be self-defeating.

On the other hand, it is undeniable that the Covid virus itself has killed well over a million Americans and perhaps 18 million people worldwide, and its origins still remain shrouded in mystery. For decades, Prof. Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University has been an academic figure of the highest mainstream respectability, holding numerous important international appointments. For the last two years, he served as chairman of the Lancet‘s Covid Commission, and in that role he has loudly denounced the government and the scientific establishment for their ongoing efforts to conceal the truth.

The establishment media would have no effective defense against the accusations coming from someone of Prof. Sachs’ international stature, and if the activists and outlets of the alt-Covid community began a concerted effort to publicize his explosive charges, the governmental cover-up might soon collapse, severely damaging the credibility of the media establishment that had helped to maintain it. Such an outcome might obviously also open the door to reconsideration of many other issues as well.

Meanwhile, I would also recommend my most recent article on the new efforts by the Daily Sceptic and other alt-Covid publications to uncover the origins of the Covid outbreak, as well as my entire long series of articles on that topic.

Much of this information is also available in several of my podcast video interviews from last February, which have been going very well on Rumble, picking up a total of more than 350,000 additional views so far this month and now approaching 3 million.

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Bob P
Bob P
January 25, 2023 10:16 am

I’ll repeat what I said on Unz .

As is often the case the truth is somewhere between the extremes of the “vaccines are safe and effective” and the “vaxxes are going to kill everyone who took them.” Even you, Mr. Unz, would concede, I hope, that they are useless in preventing infection and transmission. The issue at hand is their safety. (I spent my work life analyzing statistical data and am educated to the PhD level in analyzing public policy issues.) You seem to take official data sets seriously, as if government never lies about statistics, so let’s mention the VAERS data, which clearly show these shots are far more likely to cause serious side effects, including death, than all other vaccines combined for the last 30 years. Right there your case for vaccine safety falls apart. Add in daily anecdotes like this one today– fatal heart attacks up 17% in Australia–and even the dullest person would have to wonder what the hell is going on.

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/fatal-heart-attacks-up-17-percent-in-australia/

On the other hand, the nonsense I see every day on many alternative media sites would lead the reader to believe all vax recipients are going to keel over dead within a few years, and anyone who died suddenly did so due to the vaccine. These scare stories are more ridiculous than your contention that the shots are nothing to worry about.

There is another site that you should take a peek at when you have a few moments.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

This CDC website presents excess deaths in the US. About halfway down the page is a chart that shows excess deaths by week since 2018. Interestingly, it doesn’t try to hide the alarming degree of excess deaths coincident with the introduction of the “vaccines” (early 2021) and with the imposition of vaccine mandates (fall 2021). Of course they don’t attribute the excess deaths to the shots. They do say some are due to covid and then there are other causes, not explicated. (The reader can ask for a table that breaks down deaths by covid/non-covid.) Still, the data look sound and map well into the Berkeley data set you used that shows excess deaths by country. As with the Berkeley data, excess deaths peak with intro of vaccines (as high as 40% above normal!) and mandates (as high as 40% above normal!) but decline quickly as well. (Note that the peak excess deaths in 2020 is only about half as high as the peaks in 2021, and this as covid itself became less virulent.) Since late spring 2022, excess deaths have hovered around 10%. It falls to single digits for the last few weeks of the year, though this might be because data for the most recent weeks are incomplete.

So, it looks like excess deaths are settling in the high single digits at present. Some of this would likely be attributable to the shots, some would no doubt be covid/flu, and some would be lingering effects of the ruinous covid polices (suicides, overdoses, delayed medical appointments). If I had to guess I’d say that the shots are responsible for a couple to a few percent excess deaths per week at present. That’s still a couple of thousand deaths a week, which by any standard is mass murder, but it’s not a holocaust.

In my opinion, there’s no basis so far to conclude a mass die-off is in the offing. That could change if more long-term problems (e.g., cancer) crop up.

Bob P
Bob P
  Bob P
January 25, 2023 10:41 am

I’ll add this. For the Unz theory to be correct (that excess deaths in the Anglo nations is due to the greater prevalence of fat people), he would have to explain why the peak excess deaths in 2020 was about 20% but the peak excess deaths in 2021 (to Jan 2022)–just as the vaccines and vaccine mandates were deployed–was double that. Did a lot more people get fat in one year? A better explanation for higher excess deaths in the working population in North America might be that most of the most poisonous batches were distributed here.

As for the mortality correlation argument, we’ve known for some time that most people who die from the shots do so within a week or two of inoculation. This is clear in the CDC excess death data. So most people who were going to die of the shots died in 2021. That’s likely why he didn’t show the 2020-2021 correlation. It would have torpedoed his case.

CCRider
CCRider
  Bob P
January 25, 2023 10:59 am

Very interesting. Bob. Unz claims that lockdowns work but that makes no sense if the virus is transmissible via animals. It would seem to make sense that a lockdown would work until ended at which point the virus is set loose. Can you make sense of that?

Bob P
Bob P
  CCRider
January 25, 2023 11:49 am

Covid showed us that lockdowns can slow down transmission but that it’ll spread like wildfire once the lockdown is lifted. Australia, NZ, and China were obvious instances of this. How much animals had to do with it I’m not sure.

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Guest
  Bob P
January 25, 2023 2:37 pm

1% ‘Covid’ mortality rate. Flu gone during that time. No homeless or African (besides starving from their lockdowns) mega deaths.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Bob P
January 25, 2023 11:02 am

People who died after the 1st shot are counted as unvaxxed. I’m sure that skews things, as well.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Mary Christine
January 25, 2023 8:33 pm

People who died less than 14 days after a shot were considered unvaxxed … so, if you got a jab on January 1 and died on January 11, you were considered unjabbed under the CDC’s counting.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Bob P
January 25, 2023 1:37 pm

Did the same fat people die twice? Unz seems to think so.

JAG
JAG
  Bob P
January 25, 2023 12:28 pm

Well, we know almost certainly that Ron Unz has now been compromised somehow.

Either: Bribe, Blackmail, or Threaten.

An average individual might conclude that only threatening could get a guy like Unz to write horseshit like he put down. That is incorrect though. MONEY is the most likely (and unexpected) hidden motivator in this case.

All his stats are from some group created in 2020 (the Human Mortality Database)…I wonder if that group may have been pre-positioned to spout narratives after vax start…affiliated with Berkley…Nahhhh…

At one point, I happened to mention some New Zealand mortality statistics I’d seen somewhere, and he corrected them, directing me to the Human Mortality Database website, whose numbers he considered authoritative. Although the HMD had been launched in June 2020, I hadn’t previously heard of it and I immediately recognized it as an extremely useful source for such crucial information from dozens of mostly Western countries, conveniently aggregating, stratifying, and displaying official data that would otherwise remain buried on governmental websites. Given its apparent affiliation with both UC Berkeley and the Max Planck Institute plus its recommendation by the Daily Sceptic, I decided I could treat its numbers as quite reliable.

W in Thee Royal F Unz? Well, as long as “he considered it authoritative”… Is this a joke? Is it written so only a complete dolt wouldn’t notice the contradictions?

I am reminded of the STNG episode where the ship enters some space that some race wants to keep totally unknown in. Some type of field is entered and the entire crew but data black out. When they come too, Data keeps offering up absurd narratives to the crews questions and observations indicating much more time passed than Data admits and that he may be comporomised. At one point Geordi tells Picard that he can’t believe Data even brought up one of the narratives because it is so outlandish.

That is what Unz just did. He pulled a Data from the episode 4×14: Clues.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clues_(episode)

Anonymous
Anonymous
  JAG
January 25, 2023 1:43 pm

Do all Covid “vaccines” share the same profile and potential of harm?
That is, do the vaccines that are actual vaccines work the same and have the same effect as the mRNA treatments?
Unz seems to think so.

Japped And Germanned
Japped And Germanned
  Anonymous
January 25, 2023 2:20 pm

Irrelevant question and, even if relevant, it’s kind out of order to get to the bottom of this con.

The first question is:

Did Covid vaccines, mrna or traditional, go through the pre-existing test process to determine potential for injuries that usually takes minimum of around a decade?

The answer for all of the Covid “vaccines” is: NO

Any speculative questions beyond that are distraction because without going through the pre-existing process of testing for injuries from side-effects, it is impossible to know if, “all covid vaccines share the same profile and potential for harm”.

When the known IFR, before vax rollout is around .25%, only a complete fucking idiot could possibly consider an untested and zero liability brand new “drug” as safe enough to not be looking at yourself as a LAB RAT.

Only idiots took the damn thing. FUCKING IDIOTS.

They read nothing, and are now proven to be the dumbest on earth, but those people were the loudest little tyrants I have ever witnessed when the Con was in full swing.

Had they the opportunity and force, they would have HAPPILY thrown every last non-vaxxed into camps OR WORSE.

Now, they are coming to understand that their mistakes are going to be a BITCH TO PAY FOR in multiple ways.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Japped And Germanned
January 25, 2023 3:12 pm

I agree that it’s irrelevant to the decision to get the shots.
However, the discussion is whether or not Covid vaccines have caused harm (in this case, death) in significant numbers. On that point, the question of which “vaccines” we’re talking about IS relevant.

Mixing and matching (suspiciously convenient) mortality figures from different countries, with different responses to the scamdemic, differently timed waves of The Cases, and most of all different “vaccines” only muddies the waters by trying to compare apples to ’57 Chevys.

J&G
J&G
  Anonymous
January 25, 2023 7:38 pm

You don’t get it. You assume data is available and accurate and therefore, you can use it to figure out which vax is the least dangerous.

BOTH of your assumptions are flat out wrong and you can’t figure out anything. But go ahead…use the govs PCR-based data…bwah-hah-hah-hah! That is delusional.

The proper testing procedures to release a vaccine require approximately 10 years of time and min. of 1000 people participating to truly identify and get a good understanding of the potential and probability of any unknown dangers and incorrect assumptions.

NONE of that was done on ANY of the vaccines. We have a couple years “data” on a real world lab trial.

HOWEVER, that data is completely tainted due to actions like utilizing PCR tests and using that data as if it were gospel when the very inventor explained, at a 5th grade level, why the test would produce totally faulty results if used the way it was being used to claim covid.

So again, regardless of what bullshit narrative Ron Unz wants to focus on, WHO CARES? He’s wrong and all that data is based on bullshit whether he knows it and wants to talk about it or not…it’s still all data that is PCR based at 35+ cycles and complete fantasy. And that is only ONE way it’s tainted data.

The only thing to focus on now is proving the con and hanging all that participated.

The overwhelming proof is easily collected and aggregated at this point.

World War Zoo
World War Zoo
  Japped And Germanned
January 25, 2023 7:31 pm

Infection fatality rates? The wholly unnecessary Remdesivir+ventilator executions were counted in there, also. The narrative masters crapped on truth seekers a twisted wreck of worthless data which bought them years of distance from crimes at WIV, et al.

Like incomplete ballistic info from JFK’s missing brain, we will never have the relatable proof for surviving working stiffs to understand this health saga. If anything, expect worse panic and confusion next go-round as TPTB stampede in another tranche of crises. As they told us they would do, last week.

Uturn
Uturn
  Bob P
January 25, 2023 8:10 pm

Unz is Bullshit! Just another of the tribe. He publishes some alternate views on his site but that’s just a limited hangout- then he has some creds to push you away from the real truth. TPTB have said themselves they want to cut down the population by billions. To have even a chance to see the truth you do need to sift through lies and un-truths on all sides but the bottom line is that there is no covid virus(or any infectious virus) but there is a very dangerous “vax” that hasn’t been tested and no one knows what it contains. Keep believing in the virus hoax and you will never get out of the merry go round off variants.

Pretty much everything said about covid from both sides is horseshit. The only thing you can know for sure is that the “vax” is not meant to do you any good.

Holy Fuck-“If I had to guess I’d say that the shots are responsible for a couple to a few percent excess deaths per week at present. That’s still a couple of thousand deaths a week, which by any standard is mass murder, but it’s not a holocaust.” This alone should tell you they want to kill you- thousands dying and still pushing the boosters.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  Bob P
January 25, 2023 9:23 pm

Bob P,

I should have acknowledged your excellent comment earlier. Sorry for that. Thank you very much for taking the time. The reason I ask so many questions is because I don’t have the answers. Even when I think I have the answers to many things, I find I’m either wrong or misguided by someone else’s opinion or someone else’s facts/data.

Lots of people on TBP say covid was an IQ test and, to a degree, I also believe this is true. But maybe it’s something else. Maybe it was a civil society test. A test to see how thoroughly a society can be manipulated. Ultimately it seems we have discovered that the top rungs of our institutions cannot be trusted. WOW!!! Seriously WOW!!! What kind of life can be had when so many people and organizations can’t deal with each other in truth?

My father was an entrepreneur and one of his favorite sayings is “TRUST IS A MUST”.

Glock-N-Load
Glock-N-Load
  Glock-N-Load
January 26, 2023 12:44 am

I’ll also say that it’s really impossible for most people to get this right. For many reasons including IQ.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Bob P
January 26, 2023 2:28 pm

A number of oncologists have stated as forcefully as the MSM will allow that cancers are up as are cancers returning in formerly ‘cured’ patients in remission.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
January 25, 2023 10:25 am

“correlation does not imply causality.”

Correlation implies there should be independent testing to find out if there is truly a connection. But Pfizer and Moderna will not allow independent testing. In fact, it is actually illegal for anyone but pharma/gov authorized people to have samples of the injections.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Mary Christine
January 25, 2023 10:50 am

Actually, “correlation MAY imply causality” is more accurate. To discount that possibility is close-minded and foolish in the extreme.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mary Christine
January 25, 2023 1:47 pm

All modern scientific studies present results that are correlations. Then they imply (but carefully don’t claim) causation.
Gather a few scientific papers and see how many do NOT imply causation based on a found (or manufactured) correlation.

King Coel of Wales
King Coel of Wales
  Anonymous
January 26, 2023 9:43 am

How many “scientific papers” are faulty Anon?

Like 70%?

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
January 25, 2023 10:48 am

I really like Ron and his site, but he’s dead wrong on this, and I have pointed out that the statistics on excess deaths prove it….

AKJOHN
AKJOHN
  pyrrhus
January 25, 2023 12:46 pm

Yes. My opinion of him has gone way down. I think he was offered some money, and the kike he is, took it.

KJ
KJ
January 25, 2023 10:53 am

tl;dr

But if Unz is so stupid as to believe that the “vaccines” and “boosters” aren’t harming and killing people, I hope he’s “vaxxed” and triple “boosted.”

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  KJ
January 25, 2023 12:01 pm

I’m not vaxxed, and have avoided masks. But coronaviruses are real. I know there was lots of fuckery all around regarding Covid- economic and social. From coercion, to outright lies and cons, to so much more. Covid broke the modern world, in many ways.

I respect people’s right to an opinion and all. But many millions took the vax right. Most anti-covid types (whom I generally support wholeheartedly) say that the vaxxed are as good as dead. Sure, I think there were major problems with the vax, and people may be dying as a direct result. However, I do think it’s possible that this disease is real, and is a problem, in addition to all the bullshit Covid has heaped on us from governments, and “experts”.

I still hate fauci. I hate the people who blindly followed the experts and completely rolled over out of fear. I cannot respect them.

But I have gotten sick more often than normal over the past couple years, and the doctors even said I tested positive for covid when I was ill.

I’m all for being against the covidiots. But I’m not against going against reality and nature. I’m sick as I write this, and been sick as a dog for over a week. It could be covid. It could be some other virus floating in the air- lighter than dust, and smaller than the pores on a mask.

I don’t have answers here. Just questions. And suspicions. Lots of suspicions.

GNL
GNL
  OfftheHingeZ
January 25, 2023 12:15 pm

Me too.

C.A.L.
C.A.L.
  OfftheHingeZ
January 25, 2023 12:16 pm

It’s called the flu.

Jaded And Grated
Jaded And Grated
  OfftheHingeZ
January 25, 2023 1:57 pm

But coronaviruses are real.

Meh…Maybe. Not just a “coronavirus” named Covid-19 either (which is what you were implying, I think). Real science would allow for the fact that the future might bring information that places “germ theory” into a new light or even disregards it completely (or not).

What we call viruses are so small that it is not possible to observe/study them in real time. Well, they did use a 4D microscope last year to make a bunch of “real time virus” videos. But they aren’t really “videos” showing a real virus. They are representations of light captured by the microscope. That puts hefty limits on observation and any data that comes from it, while at teh same time opening up the possibility that the observations themselves may lead to new realizations and theories.

But millions took the vax right.

There is no way to participate in a CON/FRAUD “right”. Those people failed the IQ test, plain and simple.

Most anti-covid types (whom I generally support wholeheartedly) say that the vaxxed are as good as dead.

BULLSHIT. A few blowhards (probably placed by gov) started throwing out horseshit – just like after 9/11. Many here have seen this before. A few years after 9/11 and serious discussion of implosion, placed explosives, firemen verification, Siverstein saying “we pulled it” regarding WTC ON VIDEO, and BOOM suddenly 100 dipshit sites start saying space weapson were used and the planes were holographs and on and on. DISTRACTION.

Very few were claiming/believing that and a few controlled blowhards were spouting that shit about all vaxxed dying. Most of us knew injury was the biggest potential problem.

By what you wrote, you want to see a giant Smoking Gun before your many “suspicions” are confirmed in your mind.

That is called the Smoking Gun Fallacy. You will wait forever.

There is already OVERWHELMING evidence that suggests an outright criminal con/fraud.

Nuremberg style trials with public executions are APPROPRIATE. Crimes Against Humanity were undertaken by leaders that we all placed trust in. To move forward, there must be recognition of criminality and punishment based on historical precedent for this level of crimes: PUBLIC HANGING.

OfftheHingeZ
OfftheHingeZ
  Jaded And Grated
January 25, 2023 3:35 pm

Strawman. Due to misreading what I wrote. So i give you a pass. I shouldve worded things differently.

J&G
J&G
  OfftheHingeZ
January 25, 2023 7:52 pm

I addressed quite a bit – are you saying that entire post was all addressing a single straw man due to a misread?

Clearly not.

So, which part exactly was worded so fucked up as to cause a strawman?

And again, did this single strawman somehow negate my other points?

KJ
KJ
  OfftheHingeZ
January 25, 2023 2:40 pm

There is no such thing as “covid-19.” It’s the flu, and that’s what you have right now.

Feel better.

B_MC
B_MC
January 25, 2023 10:54 am

A comment from the Amy Sukwan article “Steve Kirsch Has a Taker on his New $1 Million Challenge!” that was linked….

While I am open to Unz’s hypothesis about obesity+COVID and think there may be some truth to it, I also see a few “holes” in it, and it certainly doesn’t disprove that the mRNA vaccines are killing people. For one thing, Unz has limited his analysis to “working-age mortality”, and the evidence suggests that this would miss most vaccine deaths. Why? Because contrary to popular belief, most evidence suggests that the majority of the people killed by the vaccine are actually OLDER people.

First of all, the excess vaccine deaths in the Pfizer and Moderna “gold standard” randomized clinical trials (the highest quality evidence that exists, period) were confined to the OLDER age groups. The younger age groups had no excess deaths in the trials (of course they exist, just much more rare than in older). In the older age groups, the two clinical trials combined had a total of 21 deaths in the vaccine groups versus 16 deaths in the placebo groups.

Among the older age group (>65) in the Moderna clinical trial, there were 9 deaths in the vaccine group versus 6 deaths in the placebo group. Small numbers, but that’s a 50% increase in deaths. https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2113017/suppl_file/nejmoa2113017_appendix.pdf – see page 53, Table S19

Among the older age group (>55) in the Pfizer clinical trial, there were 12 deaths in the vaccine group versus 10 deaths in the placebo group. Consistent trend but 20% increase here- if they divided at age 65 like Moderna maybe the increase would be larger, who knows. https://www.fda.gov/media/152256/download – see page 57, BOTTOM of Table 25

Finally, in VAERS, over 70% of unexpected post-vaccine deaths with known ages were in people aged >65 (and about 90% with known ages were in people over age 50). https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality

Anecdotally, all 3 people I know who died unexpectedly a few months after vaccination were in the 60-80 age range, and a fourth in his early 80s (healthy) almost died of a sudden cardiovascular event. NONE of them were obese or even overweight, and only one had had COVID (mild case pre-vax).

J&G
J&G
  B_MC
January 25, 2023 2:30 pm

Nice post showing it’s likely that Unz cherry picked to make his data show what he wanted.

Compromised.

Guest
Guest
  B_MC
January 25, 2023 2:41 pm

Don’t forget they told people to go home until they were really sick, remdesivere, and ventilators.

AKJOHN
AKJOHN
  B_MC
January 25, 2023 4:26 pm

Gem of a post. The trials show that the gene therapies are bad and never did work.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
January 25, 2023 10:58 am

Unz says Covid has killed 1 million in the US and 18 million worldwide. How does he know this for sure? It’s already been admitted that Covid deaths were overcounted and people who tested positive for Covid and died were counted as a Covid death no matter why they were admitted to the hospital.

Did he look at the Covid death count in Africa, which were quite low compared to so many other countries?

Wonder why he is so close minded about CONvid?

GrungeVet
GrungeVet
  Mary Christine
January 25, 2023 11:42 am

He injected this bioweapon into his veins. He shilled for these things hard and was a useful idiot, at best, for a slow motion mass culling. If I was in his shoes, I’d probably want to rationalize all this away too.

The fact that these jabs do nothing to stop the spread, and in fact destroy the recipients immune system, is reason enough to outlaw these injections. Unz has cherry picked the data points to bolster his views, while ignoring the plethora of evidence that these injections are not just ineffective, but unsafe and deadly.

https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/52/121

Jim
Jim
  Mary Christine
January 25, 2023 3:21 pm

Well, don’t know about the rest of you, but I watched Birx on live TV at one of the Trump covid dog and pony shows tell the world that the gubmint was going to count deaths “with” covid as being “of” covid. In other words, “we’re going to lie to you, but it’s OK because we’re the government and we’re telling you ahead of time that we’re lying.” Combine that with the fake PCR tests (even if they were real, Fauci admitted on a Zoom call that cycles over about 32-35 were worthless) and you have overdiagnosis, hence yet another artificial boost to the official death count. A million died of covid? Bullshit. Considering the cure was worse than the disease (ventilators and run-death-is-near, er, Remdesivir), how many were killed by hospitals? A million my ass. I’d bet the real number is closer to zero. OK, perhaps not zero, but a lot closer to that than a million.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  Jim
January 25, 2023 8:37 pm

At one point even the CDC admitted that less than 5% of their quoted ‘deaths’ were ‘from’ the FauciFlu … and, of that number, they had an average of 4 or more comorbidities.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Anthony Aaron
January 25, 2023 10:05 pm

If I remember correctly, that 5% in 2020 ended up being around 10K

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mary Christine
January 25, 2023 3:23 pm

Trusting government data is like using Wikipedia.
If it’s just a low-interest historical fact of no particular significance to you or anyone else, then you may as well accept what you find there. If it’s a hotly contested issue, taking a Wikipedia entry as gospel truth is nearly guaranteed to steer you wrong.
Early on in the Covid hysteria, I was watching “official” numbers of both cases and deaths hoping to get transparent, reliable data. When that wasn’t forthcoming — i.e. when both numbers were obviously being cooked to generate panic — I knew the fix was in. Of course, I was suspicious before that, but I was certain the pandemic was mostly hype by mid April.
Unz appears to have gone full retard completely trusting not only mainstream/government narrative and data on the “vaccines”, but also on Covid itself (The Cases!!!).

BabbleOn
BabbleOn
January 25, 2023 11:24 am

I enjoyed reading all this, Thanks Glock. One thing I did notice is a lot of info still has yet to come in for the last bit of 2022. It should be interesting when we get that. On the obit front (Ontario Canad’uh) I noticed a fair increase(to me startling) in the # of deaths. Especially amongst 40-60 years of age. Lots of the suddenly, in their sleep, Cancer, Stroke, Cardiac Death. It went from October into the latter half of December just past. Since the beginning of January 2023 however ,pretty much everything has returned to very normal. <Seriously. Avg. age of death is now back to approx 78+ years. Some Outliers and Inliers continue. Since I started watching daily(like Aug.2022ish) I notice the individual homes, towns, cities, etc. ebb and flow. I was seeing some pretty bad waves in late 2022. This year, it is so far overall, mostly very normal. Thanks for the info on the other side of the view, it is much appreciated. Somewhere between Us is the Truth!

GNL
GNL
  BabbleOn
January 25, 2023 12:20 pm

I want to know the truth as much as you and everyone here on TBP. I just don’t think we will ever truly know.

It seems Covid requires good gut instincts.

BabbleOn
BabbleOn
  GNL
January 25, 2023 12:32 pm

For Sure. No matter which way, there are mountains and mountains of manipulation, real data/stories, fake data/stories and ever more amounts of Gov’t propaganda . They won’t “televise” the truth good or bad….
“For What It’s Worth” Buffalo Springfield

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BabbleOn
January 25, 2023 2:55 pm

Dozens of the homes for sale in the Maritimes have odd bits of old furniture in them. Obviously estate sales and the family has stripped what they wanted, leaving the rest. Often quite nice antiques.

These are common now. Used to be the odd one occasionally, maybe 1 out of 100, but now it is a large percentage of what is for sale.

It is obvious to someone like me who has been checking the realty boards for deals for decades. Many, many more are dying now.

I am holding off on buying new properties for now. Too many hitting the market, interest rates rising. I see big price drops coming. Once the “get out now!” panic starts, and they can’t because nobody is buying, the race to undercut the next guy starts. Look out below!

Dan
Dan
January 25, 2023 11:46 am

Well reasoned and nuanced. The safety of the jabs may ultimately be determined and that’s important. But the only thing that mattered before and matters now to me and mine is whether there is any reason to irreversibly be injected with something that may harm or kill you.

The evidence is very clear that treatment with cheap, safe existing drugs and some common sense is at the very least as effective, and extremely likely to be more effective, as getting an experimental DNA-changing injection. My family and I got through C-19 with extremely mild symptoms just fine. I was 65 at the time and not exactly skinny but it was no worse than a very mild flu.

So debating whether something that’s completely unnecessary is safe or not isn’t high on my list of priorities. It’s the same reason I’ve avoided hard drugs all my life: if I don’t use them I don’t need to worry whether they’re dangerous or not, and my life is just fine without them.

Dan
Dan
  Dan
January 25, 2023 11:52 am

Something completely unaddressed in Unz’s article is whether the injections are increasing infections and possibly deaths by causing the virus to evolve. This is almost exclusively dangerous to the vaxed since those of us with natural immunity have antibodies to the entire virus. At least that’s what I believe.

m
m
January 25, 2023 11:47 am

The really telling thing is that Ron doesn’t even clearly define what exactly he believes to be refuting.

He just sprinkles a few straw man into his text “the nonsense […] all vax recipients are going to keel over dead within a few years, and anyone who died suddenly did so due to the vaccine”
and then immediately pulls a rabbit out of his hat and states “all excess mortality can be correlated to obesity” – wait, why not to climate change or VW diesel soot or gas stoves?

Especially lovely is the typical propaganda manner in which Ron accuses “Russia has reportedly suffered extremely high excess mortality during the Covid epidemic” plus the non-availability of data proves… well, something.
But as I saw myself 3 weeks ago, Russia has zero extreme obesity, and somewhere between 5% (Moscow metro) and 15% (long-distance train, cheapest 3rd class wagon) obesity, and maybe 10% overweight people on top of that. That’s the lowest I’ve ever personally seen anywhere over the last 20 years, except for Hongkong.
So how does that fit into Ron’s theory.

And Ron again: “Note that Russia has relied upon its own homegrown [that must be bad, right?], non-mRNA vaccine, but which was anyway not yet available in large quantities [and that homegrown shit wasn’t even widely available, that makes it double-plus bad!!] at that point.”

I mean that doesn’t even qualify as satire anymore.

Paleocon
Paleocon
January 25, 2023 12:11 pm

Nice contrarian view. However, obesity does not cause myocarditis in young males. He does concede in the long Kevin Barret interview that fat people may be more susceptible to vax adverse effects.

I am interested in Kirsch’s response.

Dying Sun
Dying Sun
  Paleocon
January 26, 2023 12:18 am

However, obesity does not cause myocarditis in young males.

Nor are most athletes, who seem to be dropping like flies, obese.

Oldtoad of Green Acres
Oldtoad of Green Acres
January 25, 2023 12:12 pm

I like to hear the other sides of an event like Covid and the Vaxx.
From here the living situation is not improving.
Maybe Covid and the Vaxx are just a well planned psyops like it looks.
As a fat boy who just got over a 2 month lung virus that a lot of other people around here are getting, antibiotics did not really work, honey seems to have made the most difference.
Going to make a voting comparison, it does not matter how you vote, what matters is who does the counting. Not all fibbers are statisticians, but the numbers simply don’t add up.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
January 25, 2023 12:15 pm

Various other alt-writers or activists privately told me that they actually shared my views, but were very reluctant to say so lest they be swarmed and vilified by a horde of militant anti-vaxxers or even risk burning bridges

Gaslighting 101.

Who could ever forget the hordes of militant anti-vaxxers swarming and vilifying the public. You couldn’t swing a dead cat without hitting one, right Ron (early life) Unz?

It’s like this guy went to sleep in December of 2019 and woke up this morning.

WTF
WTF
  hardscrabble farmer
January 25, 2023 2:25 pm

Exactly

Undeniable
Undeniable
January 25, 2023 12:36 pm

Given [the Human Mortality Database website] apparent affiliation with both UC Berkeley and the Max Planck Institute…

Garbage in, garbage out?

In any event, Unz’s apparent skeptical conclusions can be only be the result of one of the following:

1.) Bad data
2.) Querie filters are skewed either in part or whole
3.) Ron is right

In any event, on either side of the debate, some are missing the forest for the trees? Because where there is smoke, there is fire?

StopWorldControl.com

Guest
Guest
  Undeniable
January 25, 2023 2:45 pm

Plus gaslighting, propaganda, as mentioned above.

WTF
WTF
January 25, 2023 2:30 pm

How in the world did this POS’s propaganda piece get on TBP? Is it satire? WTF!

brian
brian
  WTF
January 25, 2023 3:34 pm

If you are only now awakening to the echo chamber. propaganda and gas lighting articles that get posted here then you haven’t been paying attention much. Its because TBP is a free speech site that these can be posted here, along with essays to the contrary as well.

The real value is in the comments section where the BS gets exposed mostly, for what it is, BS

Finius
Finius
January 25, 2023 4:05 pm

A brilliant analysis using faulty data… the CDC, the NEJM, Berkeley? How about Pfizer? Maybe he should read the dozens of other studies that come to opposite conclusions. Unz still hasn’t figured out that the vaccine was in fact the main vector for the entire outbreak.

Of course, it was all fat people.

frozenoutupnorth
frozenoutupnorth
January 26, 2023 12:15 am

Let an expert ‘splain it to ya’……..

BL
BL
January 26, 2023 12:25 am

Did I miss it in the article or did he not have a answer for the 1600 young, very fit and in no way overweight vaccinated athletes that died from Dec 2021 through Dec 2022?

m
m
  BL
January 26, 2023 3:21 am

Ron carefully selected “working-age” class, so that those cases get diluted away.

Arthur
Arthur
January 26, 2023 2:23 am

Obesity?

Unz is heavily invested in the tenets of the psyop, as seen in his implicit language around it.

How covenient, therefore, after convoluted and laborious analysis, to arrive at obesity as a simple, dismissive explanation. Nothing, as the saying goes, to see here.

Golly Mr. Unz, we just have to lose weight? You’re so smart. You should start a website and name it after yourself.

King Coel of Wales
King Coel of Wales
January 26, 2023 9:48 am

Granny revealed a cold/flu treatment that actually works, in the early 1960s: