Guest Post by Alex Berenson
Y’all are going to hate this. But you should read it
Michelle Goldberg is a classic Times hard left opinion writer, but she’s willing to debate – she had me on a podcast just before Tell Your Children was published to debate the legalization of cannabis. (I don’t think that would happen now, unfortunately; the media has become even more polarized.)
Today Goldberg wrote a piece headlined:
The Abortion Ban Backlash Is Starting to Freak Out Republicans
It’s paywalled, but this is the crucial paragraph:
Having made the criminalization of abortion a central axis of their political project for decades, Republicans have no obvious way out of their electoral predicament. A decisive majority of Americans — 64 percent, according to a recent Public Religion Research Institute survey — believe that abortion should be legal in most cases. A decisive majority of Republicans — 63 percent, according to the same survey — believe that it should not. When abortion bans were merely theoretical, anti-abortion passion was often a boon to Republicans, powering the grass-roots organizing of the religious right. Now that the end of Roe has awakened a previously complacent pro-choice majority, anti-abortion passion has become a liability, but the Republican Party can’t jettison it without tearing itself apart.
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Goldberg is correct, of course.
As a country the United States does not want to ban abortion. Women are furious. And not just young women. Women over 60 are old enough to remember the original Roe v. Wade decision, and most of them never wanted to go back.
The anger here is enough to turn purple and maybe even soft red states blue.
And I do think the right has a terrible ideological inconsistency on abortion. If being vaccinated as an adult is a personal choice – and it should be – then having an abortion is too. This is not because I support abortion. I think it is the taking of human life. As I wrote last year after the Court overturned Roe v. Wade:
Abortion is a very private murder, a murder for which the state has no responsibility and cannot interfere. It is a decision even more personal than being vaccinated. It is the ultimate betrayal of a child by the woman who carries him, and perhaps by the man who impregnated her too. It is a tragedy.
Is it a sin? Only God can judge sin. Will he? Does he? Your guess is as good as mine.
But this I know. Banning or criminalizing it will only add to the sum of human misery.
Reality is awful sometimes.
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(Yep, that’s a human life)
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The Republican Party has now locked itself into two positions that the rest of the country strongly rejects – support for Donald Trump and opposition to abortion. (Trump, of course, supported abortion rights until doing so became politically inconvenient.)
I’m not a politician. I’m not even a Republican – I’m a registered independent. I don’t have to worry about running for office or standing up to Republican primary voters (though I do have to stand up to my readers sometimes). I have no idea how Republicans get themselves out of these traps.
But if they cannot, Democrats and the health authoritarians they support will gain more and more power, woke censorship will worsen, our failed pro-drug policies will expand, we will continue to invite millions of the world’s poorest and least productive people to make a mockery of our immigration policies and borders, and the leviathan that is the federal government – which now spends more than $6 trillion a year – will only continue to grow.
As Goldberg noted:
[Republican] leaders are adopting a self-soothing tactic sometimes seen on the left, insisting they’re being defeated because they’ve failed to make their values clear, not because their values are unpopular.
Yep. If the principle of banning abortion is so important that Republicans are willing to cede any chance at winning national elections for it, they will get what they want.
But either way, the United States is not going to ban abortion.
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On Good Friday no less.
As I have gotten older and had children of my own, I have changed my mind about abortion. If you had asked me when I was 18, I would have been a proponent of legal abortion up until a certain time during pregnancy, for example 12 weeks of age, but not after that. Not only would I have thought it should be legal, but I also would have thought that there is nothing wrong with it MORALLY. And that is while I would have called myself a Christian.
I am with JP Sears now. I think abortion is morally wrong at any point in pregnancy. Having said that, I also think that it is wrong for the State to impose its will on the people. Judgment will be passed only by God.
I have witnessed the miracle of life myself, and it is awe inspiring. If I got pregnant again, I would carry to term any baby, even those with genetic abnormalities that lead to death within hours of birth, and most definitely one with Down’s syndrome and things like that. Every life has value.
A society that permits atrocities will not survive long, it absolutely should be illegal.
My mother and three younger sisters were born with “genetic abnormalities”. I witnessed the way they were treated all their lives, so after having two sons I decided to stop gambling and had a vasectomy.
My wife of fifty years still holds a grudge towards me for not giving her a daughter no matter if there were [ what I considered ] serious issues or not.
I have, at times, considered myself to be wise and at other times felt as if I had made God’s decision for him. The empty nest years for us was brutal.
I still cannot say I would have done it differently even after watching my wife suffer from lonliness and heartache.
It sounds like it was a tough decision either way.
“I am with JP Sears now. I think abortion is morally wrong at any point in pregnancy.”
I have a seemingly duplicitious opinion.
Abortion is MURDER at any point in pregnancy. Period, of course. You yourself are that proof, end of story.
Believe me, I’m conflicted that despite it being murder, the thought of another unloved unwanted child being brought into the world and living a hellish existence from the start is just as hard to swallow. I sure wish more emphasis was being done to bullhorn strongly to young people why abortion is not birth control.
However. As a human, sounds twisted but it’s a fact that you have the freedom/right to make any horrible decisions and endure the consequences at the soul level. In other words, despite not the ‘legal’ right, you have the soul level freedom to make any mistake and in a sense, the right to commit murder and experience the consequences.
So if only god can judge sin, and the state shouldn’t interfere, how come it only seems to be on subjects like this?
I think killing healthy white children in the womb is sick. I think bringing congenital cripples and retards into the world is sick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_jNFEnjxaY
Every life has value. I stand by that. Every time you get pregnant you put your hope and faith in God and, to some degree, it is a gamble, of which you don’t know the outcome.
I might have died during pregnancy or birth. I might have had a child that wasn’t healthy. I knew that and did it anyway.
Nothing worth having is easy to come by.
There is always a chance of something bad. Same goes for any animal. But if it’s a real gamble, there is something wrong. If you have a serious genetic issue that is going to be passed on, it is irresponsible to burden untold future generations with it. Nature shows you the other option, and it is brutal.
Not every life has value. I don’t know why it even needs to be said. The examples are endless.
Sixty-two Million abortions in the US since Roe v. Wade … children targeted by pedophiles and trans-promoting teachers, etc. … children required to be jabbed to go to school …
THIS is how we treat our children? Really?
What do we expect will come from murdering the unborn — sexualizing them from infants onward — forcing them to take jabs that have strong statistical correlations with serious medical injuries and/or death?
I remember my spiritual teacher explaining it very simply: when you have the power to create life then you shall have the right to take life …
He also reminded us that our every thought, word and deed takes us either closer to our Greater or away from our Creator … and we must choose wisely …
The choice before you here is the same one GOD gives you every day of our lives. You can either:
A.) Hold to your values and beliefs regardless of the consequences, or
B.) Abandon those values and beliefs for a false promise that things will get “better” at some point in the distant future.
“Those who endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” – Jesus, The Christ
The choice seems obvious, and no real choice at all from my perspective.
FINALLY, I’ve found something of yours to upvote.
I’m sure we’d get along famously if we met randomly in some bar…if for no other reason than that you could just say “fuck you” and walk away at will with no hard feelings on my part.
I’m really not the bad guy here.
TCS, completely different subject, long time ago at a prior employer, I refused to send out poor quality product. The new boss was not happy. I also refused to continue to hold monthly (non contractual) ‘state of the business’ meetings with the union because all they wanted to do was bitch about grievances; which were not part of the agenda since HR was not involved. I soon after discovered my value’s conflicted with both boss’ and company’s values, I was fired.
Looking back many years later, I’m glad for the consequence of getting fired.
IMO, generally speaking, leftists believe rights trump responsibilities and feelings trump facts.
Responsibility just doesn’t have the panache’ of rights.
“It’s my right to kill this unborn child”!
Yes, but what of the responsibility to avoid getting pregnant in the first place?
The societal drift is certainly away from personal responsibility.
Responsibility is boring.
But isn’t that what underscores a societal structure that strong, beneficial to all and enduring?
It is not anyone’s right to kill an innocent human being.
Why this needs stating, even to TBP commenters, I will never understand.
Steve Z…Responsibility isn’t boring, but it may be hard to do, especially when it requires taking the an unpopular path.
Even in the least sane jurisdictions of the crumbs left of America, if a woman is six weeks pregnant and is killed by a car, the driver would be charged with TWO counts of vehicular homicide. The baby is human with the right to not be murdered, regardless of where its body is located.
The only reason abortion continues, is because the intrauterine baby cannot shoot back. FWIW, I am atheist. There’s your secular argument against what is unambiguous murder, overruling any Orwellian doublethink justification hamster lecture.
Typical Leftard tactic…overstate and over emphasize the numbers of their demonic supporters, like gun control laws, a majority of “normal” Americans prefer to have the Fed’s stay the hell out of the argument and honor our foundational documents…the Constitution and the Bible.
Personally, I don’t believe a leftist or AWFL if they say they feel bad, sorry or care when a child is killed by accident or murder like a school shooting. Because they believe and love the murder of children in utero, they don’t value life at baseline. If any one of those kids was killed by their mother in utero, they would call that woman a hero and brave. They don’t give a shit about or children at baseline.
Mr Berenson, of course you are not a Republican. Nobody like you would be. You completely fail the logic test on this issue. First, the survey poll you site is from a Supremely anti Christian organization. Secondly, the “62%” are largely in the Deep Blue states so are hardly a credible cross section. Most important are your tyrannical views, hallmark of today’s New Demmunist party, that want to impose your lack of morality on the rest of us by fiat. That’s not how America works. Divisive social issues not appearing in the Constitution which you fail to give credence and respect because of your irreligiosity, are rightfully decided by the States. That the fake Republicans failed to make that case is bad, but that’s all that is wrong with that rare and correct SCOTUS decision.
This is the kind of crap you find on PRRI’s twitter feed….
PRRI Retweeted
It is a valid point. Christians want to ban all books that contain actual science. Especially those that show actual reality-based evidence to back up the scientific claims.
Why? Because those science books conflict with the Bible Whackadoodle’s Book of Holy Fairy Tales, Fantasies, and Ancient Mythologies of a snowglobe universe centered on a flat earth with a north pole that holds up a sky dome that suspends the Sun, Moon, planets, stars, and other objects in the sky, with a magic ocean above and below everything. The Bible Whackadoodles still believe the snowglobe universe was created from nothing in 6 days and a single man was created by mixing mud with some magic incantation by the giant sky fairy.
Funny thing is all of the Bible Whackadoodle’s Book of Holy Fairy Tales, Fantasies, and Ancient Mythologies can be found in ancient writings left behind by other cultures that are far older, but lived in the same location. Only the names are changed to promote the “correct” magic sky fairy.
Sounds like a valid reason to ban books based on actual scientific fact. Don’t want the “Christians” to be subjected to science. Their heads might explode when overloaded with the reality that they are unable to cope with. Little wonder that 99.99% of them are closet alcoholics who beat their children, then send the children to their indoctrination camp for sexual molesting by the indoctrinators who hide behind the altar and other relics on Sunday. One thing the Book of Holy Fairy Tales, Fantasies, and Ancient Mythologies gets correct is the part about lying and harming children. Looks like the Bible Whackadoodles are on a one-way trip to their own hell because their book clearly says so.
I wonder if there are enough mill stones for all of them?
“Christians want to ban all books that contain actual science.”
Another obvious over-statement accompanied by plagarized material dressed up with colorful labels and a few valid concerns.
Your faith in “science falsly so-called” exposes hypocrisy.
If I state that 2+2=4 and credit God with telling me and obligating me to share this information disproves nothing.
Dude, please cool it. Don’t lump in fairy tales and mythology with the bible. Fairy tales and mythology can actually be instructive, because no one takes them as literal and the only source of knowledge 🙂
The government should know by now ; they can’t legislate morality. It never works.
Make people like you by killing babies. Got it.
Cutting off the breasts and penises of young teenagers and giving them puberty blockers at age 8 is a natural extension of abortion. If you can kill your unborn child up to the point of birth and in some states now, after birth, then you should be able to do whatever you want to your kids. This is not sarcasm. I’m serious. Either both are wrong and should be against the law or both should be allowed.
Btw, Berenson is the wrong person to write about this. The only thing he’s been right about is the clot shot. It’s the broken clock syndrome.
national chains that do not sell abortion drugs —
america & western society in general have developed a culture of death —
it started with a decline in religion & then roe v wade —
next up are euthanasia & as mary christine stated,the mutilation of kids —
after that will come the biggie,legal sex with little kids,which is advocated 4 as you read this —
The West and especially America has been invading and killing since forever. It didn’t begin that recently. Our wars have been non-defensive abominations.
yes & no,anon —
what you state is correct but unfortunately,that is the history of mankind —
it is eat or be eaten —
Voting and polls are both frauds.
Wait, it’s murder but voting is more important?
The whole thing reads like complete garbage by some knee pad wearing RINO soytard trying to convince the mean ole pro life people to see the light and embrace infanticide. Well hear is my take, F@#k you.
It’s murder. It’s inhuman and often inhumane. It’s grotesque. It’s irresponsible. It’s not a federal issue. The practice was popularised and expanded in the pursuit of depopulation, especially of lower class racial minorities. It’s banned in most other countries because….it’s murder.
The nefarious purpose of abortion is to depopulate the best, not the worst. Kike kunts at the abortion clinic don’t gloat over killing niglets.
a federal judge in texas has just ruled that the fda has to block the abortion pill nationwide —
this conflicts w/another ruling so it will probably be rapidly taken up by scotus —