Guest Post by Antonius Aquinas
In a recent talk to the Center for Christian Virtue, Tucker Carlson railed against abortion asserting that it is “no benefit to society” and “it erode[s] its very foundation.”* The former Fox News anchor called the battle over infanticide not a “political debate,” but a “spiritual battle.”** The speech comes as the issue of abortion has heated up in the Republican presidential campaign.
Carlson is certainly correct in his assessment that the fight over abortion is a spiritual struggle, but he, like most of the pro-life movement, does not understand the larger tragedy of abortion. The failure of the pro-life movement to stress this fundamental aspect, and to see abortion in the light of eternity, is one of the reasons why the evil is still a legalized part of the so-called civilized world.
While the killing of the unborn is a crime, a greater injustice of that heinous offense is committed. Most Christians, including presumably Tucker Carlson (who was brought up Episcopalian) and the Center for Christian Virtue, would agree that one must be baptized to have a chance at salvation. Abortion denies that opportunity. Unbaptized infants neither go to heaven or hell, but to the “limbo of the children” where they do not suffer the pains of hell, but neither can they receive the beatific vision.
Abortion is not only the killing of the unborn, which is heinous in its own right, but it denies one from entering heaven. If this aspect had been emphasized from the start, it may have mobilized even greater public and judicial support to outlaw the abominable practice.
Tucker Carlson’s Christian priorities are also skewed as he states:
The point of life is to have children and to watch
them have grandchildren. Nothing will bring you
joy like that will. Nothing comes close. Would
trade your job for your children? Would you trade
anything for your children? Of course not.***
The point of life is to save one’s soul and, as the Divine Savior taught, this is done by loving God with “thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind” and loving “thy neighbor as thyself.”
Christ is very clear about those who put either parents or children above Him:
He that loveth father or mother more than
me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth
son or daughter more than me, is not worthy
of me. [Matthew 10: 37]
Of course, children are precious gifts from God who add enjoyment and fulfillment to one’s life for those who can have them. Children, however, are sinners and are in need of nurturing and instruction in how to live a moral life. Sadly, despite the efforts and best intentions of parents, some children turn out badly.
The fact that abortion is now a part of the political discourse demonstrates just how far the natural authority figures and institutions of society have failed in fulfilling their roles as moral guideposts. Yet, this was bound to happen with the increased power of the state in all aspects of society, usurping the role that the family (and its extension – uncles, aunts, grandparents), churches, ministers, arbitrators, employers, philanthropists and scholars once held. Where at one time ethical matters were discussed and decided outside of the state apparatus, now nearly every personal decision is subjected to government interference which has become the supreme arbitrator of what is moral and what is not.
That society’s non-governmental authority elements have little clout is also a factor in why most young people do not have much of a moral compass in how to conduct their lives and are susceptible to support the most debauched aspects of society.
The left has long recognized this and has used the state to push through their agenda on all sorts of social and economic issues. Using the levers of the state, a small, determined minority can impose its will on an unorganized majority. This is another argument as to why pro-lifers should be for radical political de-centralization and the restoration of natural authority in society.
Ultimately, the eradication of legalized abortion will not come via politics. Instead of political wrangling, what should be made clear to the pro-abortion crowd is the real eternal consequences of their actions where the Divine Judge, who is not subject to legislative interference or some perverted, phony “right to choose” nonsense, will deliver perfect justice.
*https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-tucker-carlson-spits-fire-anti-abortion-speech
***Ibid.
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Not all Christians (conservative) agree on the doctrine of ‘original sin’ as it relates to children prior to the age of accountability.
This reflects one very specific sub-set of Catholic theology, which doesn’t seem to have any scriptural support. And it has zero appeal for other than Christians.
For Christians, looking only at the bible the options seem to be heaven and not-heaven, no mediocre limbo category.
I am anti-abortion, but not a subscriber to this subset of Catholicism. For me, it’s quite simple that if we shouldn’t murder older humans, we shouldn’t murder younger humans, and birth is a somewhat arbitrary distinction between the two. I can understand the absolutism of the “life begins at conception” crowd, and I can also understand the practicality of the trimester approach apparently used in Islamic law (which I otherwise have no use for). But this limbo argument is counting angels on the head of a pin.
Jesus said “let the children come to me” and also “trust in the mercy of God.”
Limbo. What a crock of shit.
Yeah, but it is a money maker fer sure. I remember the first time I heard about it (late 20s when my ex’s grandfather died) and thought the same thing about it being a crock of shit.
What kind of god would banish an aborted baby ( through no fault of it’s own) to limbo for eternity?
The kind of god only dopey humans could create.
Nice going humans.
At least innocent Muslims killed in mass bombings are martyred and get to go to 72 virgin orgy heaven.
All those virgins are old men that couldn’t get laid in life.
Enjoy!
I asked a Catholic priest to show me purgatory in the Bible. He told me it was not there, but had been a good money maker for the church for years, people having Masses said for their dead loved ones to reduce their time in purgatory and hurry their way to heaven.
By that logic, everyone in the OT is in Limbo because they were unbaptized. So what did King David mean when he said he would go to his dead child?
Most non-Catholic Christians do no believe in original sin. We inherited death from Adam, not his sin.
All babies, once in womb, if they die go to heaven. Heaven is full of babies being taken care of by angels. They are waiting for their parents who will join them if they go to heaven.
I’ve seen several NDE’s and everyone who talks about this say the same thing. Water baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation.
Baptism is the public display of the salvation you received by your acceptance of Jesus as your Lord & Savior.
As if infants being baptized have a clue what they are “accepting”.
Please…..
True, their god parents do that for them. Supposedly overseeing their Christian education if the parents can’t. That seldom happens, it is mostly ceremonial these days.
“Most non-Catholic Christians do no believe in original sin.”
Really? Which churches?
I said most, not all. Which ones do besides maybe trad Lutheran and Episcopalian? All the Protestant churches I’ve attended and or dealt with in abortion recovery Bible studies.
Don’t ask me. I don’t know besides a quick search with various names I can think of. So far I’m not seeing outright rejection of it anywhere that is what most people consider christian. So not counting mormons. Unitarians?
I always thought the official stance of churches was by default belief in original sin, that is why I asked. I’m sure some of this stuff was considered heresy at times, but from an outsider’s perspective, they all just seem to quibble over the definition of it. I guess it is hard to convince people they need saved, otherwise.
Interesting question, does original sin start at conception or birth? Aborted babies are not born except for partial birth abortions.
And what about miscarriage (medically called spontaneous abortion)? If you believe life begins at conception, are those lives doomed to hell too?
It would be interesting to hear from a theologian on this issue ( especially a Roman Chatholic theologian)
Any theologians here?
A theologian would just blow smoke
That’s what I want to know, which way would they blow their smoke.
lol, fair enough.
From the same chapter
So a parallel to original sin and yhwh killing a kid. Chapter ends with David torturing captured enemies, as well. Interesting choice.
jim kelly was recently baptized also —
https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/09/25/former-buffalo-bills-quarterback-baptized-wears-shirt-proclaiming-god-is-real/
“Unbaptized infants neither go to heaven or hell, but to the “limbo of the children” where they do not suffer the pains of hell, but neither can they receive the beatific vision.”
With the author’s logic, allowing the children to be born, splashing the magic water on them, and killing them would ensure they go to heaven instead of being stuck in limbo. There is something sick about people with this kind of legalistic view of what they claim is the most important thing in (and out of) the world.
“The point of life is to save one’s soul”
No thanks. I wouldn’t want to end up in the same place as AA.
Limbo, isn’t that a dance where you see how low you can bend over backwards and shuffle under a stick?
This guys is so full of catholic BS that he wouldn’t recognize the truth if he got hit over the head with it.
“original sin” and “limbo” and other such concepts are attempts to deal with the dichotomy between the biblican concepts of arminianism (free will) and calvinism (god decides), and the observable fact that (at least until the last century) half of all humans died before reaching age 5. catholicism seems to be the “best fit” approach, though it is of course wonky because what it has to bring together is wonky to begin with.
Incorrect. Baptism is a public and outward sign for a salvation that has already taken place in the heart of an individual that has been saved by grace alone. Believing that Jesus paid the sacrifice for your sins is all that is necessary for salvation. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And the wages for that sin is death – an eternity in hell – unless you believe and trust in Christ, in which case the gift of God is eternal life. Works-based salvation, including trusting in a baptism, is not the Christianity described in God’s Word. By grace you have been saved and that not of yourself. It is a gift of God, not of works, so that no one may boast.
Infant baptism is useless for the child, and though perhaps some parents find comfort in it, it does nothing for the child’s salvation.
“an eternity in hell – unless you believe and trust in Christ”
so did our ancestors all go to hell before they heard the Heliand?
It is important to avoid denigrating the good while searching for the perfect. Especially in politics
Look. I don’t wanna be a dick, but if that sentence came out the mouth of a step-father/mother, or of a “friend” or whatever… that’s some next-level narcissistic bullshit right here
He that loveth father or mother more than
me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth
son or daughter more than me, is not worthy
of me
Come on!
Because it is all a bunch of nonsensical lies. Spent 25 years believing the BS. None of it is true. Not one word. It’s the most intense form of extremism in existence. They all believe they are right and everyone else, well they all burn in hell. I was the same way.
The whole abortion issue is just another of an endless line of cultural jewish psyops, that makes no sense and causes massive destruction. Look at the obvious in your face. Almost 80% of abortions are by inner city negros and spics living in high crime zones. 80%. If born, all of them would grow up violent criminals attacking us, and the very anti-abortion fools that are trying to save them. If these religious psychopaths were so concerned about all these inner city negros and spics, they’d either be trying to remove the hyper-sexual programming jews are dumping into the culture, or ensure inner city orcs had free birth control. But no, all they do, and most of them ugly, old white females, is sit there in their cadmium cages and play stupid morality games for their own selfish reasons.
80% of abortions are blacks and latinos! That’s a good thing white man. Don’t be fooled by religious zealots who will gladly sacrifice you for their own insane jew-based beliefs
Yeah, my dad told me the same thing awhile back, though not in the same words. He asked why do you care if they kill off their offspring? The older I get the more I think he might have been right.
If I remember correctly, the Bible says we are born into original sin, not conceived into original sin.
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I should have said implies, there is no writing on that.
Well, some sects believe much worse, in that men are born into “total depravity”
“Total depravity (also called radical corruption[1] or pervasive depravity) is a Protestant theological doctrine derived from the concept of original sin. It teaches that, as a consequence of man’s fall, every person born into the world is enslaved to the service of sin.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_depravity
The jews are laughing their asses off.