A Collapse Is Coming – And Then?

Guest Post by Moon of Alabama

In the last Ukraine situation report I discussed the choice of General Oleksandr Syrski as the new Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. He is likely to support the more aggressive choices the Ukrainian president Zelenski will make.

For mostly public relation reasons Zelenski demands constant attacks on Russian forces and no retreat of Ukrainian forces until absolutely necessary. Syrski is willing to deliver on that even as history says that he is unlikely to be successful:

Syrski, who was born as a Russian, had lost the cauldron battles of Debaltsevo (2015), Soledar (2023) and Bakhmut (2023). Currently Avdeevka is in a cauldron and likely to fall.Rumors say that Syrski has already ordered reserves to reinforce the troops in Avdeevka.

The latest news says that some reinforcements have indeed arrived:

Some units of the 110th Separate Mechanized Brigade in Avdiivka have been replaced by other units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Source: Ivan Sekach, Chief of Public Relations of the 110th Separate Mechanised Brigade named after Marko Bezruchko, in an interview with Radio Liberty on 13 February

Quote: “We lack sufficient capabilities to maintain control of the city, but reinforcements are arriving, and we rely on friendly units. For the first time in almost two years of the 110th Separate Mechanised Brigade’s operation, some of our units have been fully withdrawn from combat for rest and rotation. Indeed, reinforcements have come. I won’t specify [which] unit, but it provides substantial support. We feel a bit more at ease since its arrival.”

We do not know for sure which brigades have replaced the completely worn down 110th Mechanized. Rumors have it that the 3rd Assault Brigade was sent to relieve Avdeevka. The 3rd had evolved out of the ‘nationalist’, i.e neo-nazi, Azov militia. Other news said that at least parts of the planned reinforcements for Avdeevka were successfully attacked on their march while still being far away from the city.

All lines of communications to Avdeevka are under Russian fire but have yet to be physically cut. After a few days of sprints the Russian attacks have noticeably slowed down. This may be because of increased resistance from the Ukrainian side but could also have plenty of other reasons. Large scale FAB500 bombings continue to destroy the city and its defenders.

The Russian army is now on attack along the whole frontline. This is reflected in unusually high Ukrainian losses as reported by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

Today’s report lists up to 1145 Ukrainian casualties – double the number than usual. Material losses on the Ukrainian side are also high. In total some 23 armored vehicles and over 60 trucks were reported to have been hit during the last 24 hours. The number is a lot higher than on the days before.

The mismatch between armored vehicle losses and the losses of mere trucks, which earlier in the war was one to one or even two to one, has now held up for several weeks. My interpretation of these numbers is that Ukraine has lost so many armored vehicles that it needs to use trucks to ferry troops and supplies to the front lines. Many of those get destroyed by the proliferating use of First Person View drones.

Reports of Ukrainian artillery pieces hit by Russian counter battery fire are down by a large margin. Months ago some 20 or more gun kills per day were normal business. The reported numbers have now come down to just a handful per day. I associated this with a lack of ammunition on the Ukrainian side. Guns which have nothing to shoot do not have to reveal their position and are more safe than guns which actively fire.

While the carnage along the frontline continues every day, Russian artillery forces use long range drones and missiles to hit weapon production facilities and troop agglomerations deep within Ukrainian territory. As the Ukrainian air defense also lacks ammunition more of these attacks are able to successfully destroy their targets.

The Ukrainian army is lacking ground forces. As previously described:

Yesterday a Washington Post article, sourced from interviews at the Ukrainian front, describes the utter shamble the Ukrainian forces are in:

In interviews across the front line in recent days, nearly a dozen soldiers and commanders told The Washington Post that personnel deficits were their most critical problem now, as Russia has regained the offensive initiative on the battlefield and is stepping up its attacks.

Even if efforts to raise more personnel succeed, at high economic costs, it will take months until they will reach the frontline:

The new Ukrainian mobilization law, which is supposed to refill the army with fresh bodies, is still creeping through the Ukrainian parliament. It will likely come into force only by April. The first new troops conscripted under it will take until July to be combat capable.

But even if the existing Ukrainian forces can hold out that long they still will lack the ammunition to hit back at Russian efforts. Even if the U.S. agrees soon to spend more money on Ukraine, which seems unlikely, it would take many months to refill the Ukrainian arsenals.

For all these reasons I expect that the Ukrainian frontline will break rather sooner – within weeks – than later – i.e. within months.

Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism takes a look at what will probably happen beyond that point:

Ukraine now resembles a patient with a terminal disease who is staring to exhibit multi-organ failure. His longevity is still uncertain but is measured in months, not years. It’s not obvious which system will go first and whether that one by itself will be fatal or will kick off the terminal cascade. But the odds of pulling out of the current trajectory are poor.We’d like to step back and consider what Russia’s choices might be as Ukraine starts coming unglued.

“Collapse” means a combination of widespread surrenders, retreats/abandonment of positions, and Russian captures of Ukraine forces because they are surrounded and lack the ammo to fight back.

[Why] a big arrow move toward the Dnieper might be seen as suboptimal is the unhinged state of the West. You do not make sudden moves around crazy people. Yet another reason to watch and see how Ukraine comes apart is the administrative burden of occupying territory. That is likely a reason for Russia bulking up its military so much.

If Russia did want to rachet up pressure on Kiev, some sort of re-run of its 2022 pining operation might be a preferred move. If Russia is lucky, the government will decamp to Lvov, which would be an admission that they expect to lose Kiev and much of central Ukraine.

The reason for trying to engage in a bit more granular thinking is that many commentators can envision some end states Russia would like, but how to get from A to B is not obvious.

The best Russian move may well be to continue on a slow pace:

So aside from possibly pinning Kiev and finishing incorporating the missing parts of the four oblasts, one possible path is for Russia to keep biting off pieces as what is left of the central government and the US and NATO are forced to watch and are relegated to missile and drone attacks, but not enough to change the direction of travel. Kharkiv might be next on the menu due to proximity (and therefore less Poland / Baltic freakout) and high proportion of ethnic Russians. Taking Odessa is a logistical challenge; the best train lines are either through Krivoy Rog or from the northeast across the country.

Back in March 2022 I looked at the future constellation of Ukraine and concluded that Krivoy Rog and Odessa, for ethnic, historic and economic reasons, should be part of the Russia friendly area:

When the war to disarm the Ukraine started to my utter surprise I asked what Russia would desire as the geographic end state of the war:

It is difficult to discern what the planed end state of this operation is. Where is this going to stop?

Looking at this map I believe that the most advantageous end state for Russia would be the creation of a new independent country, call it Novorossiya, on the land east of the Dnieper and south along the coast that holds a majority ethnic Russian population and that, in 1922, had been attached to the Ukraine by Lenin. That state would be politically, culturally and militarily aligned with Russia.


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This would eliminate Ukrainian access to the Black Sea and create a land bridge towards the Moldavian breakaway Transnistria which is under Russian protection.

The rest of the Ukraine would be a land confined, mostly agricultural state, disarmed and too poor to be build up to a new threat to Russia anytime soon. Politically it would be dominated by fascists from Galicia which would then become a major problem for the European Union.


Novorossiya roughly includes the red and yellow areas in the above map. It also includes the valuable Soviet developed iron ore mines and factories of Kryvyi Rih [Krivoy Rog] west of the Dnieper river.

My best hunch is that the Russian government has come to the same conclusion.

Yves continues her outlook:

But the other reason for being maddeningly slow, aside from getting better data, is that with hyperinflation and a highly-likely baked-in economic collapse in non-Russian controlled Ukraine, is that things may get so bad that having Russia come in and take charge may start looking less bad to many of the locals. Again, the longer Russia hangs back and lets more of Ukraine drift into failed state territory, the more this dynamic has the potential to kick in.

I am not saying any of these are givens. But Russia still needs to move carefully and deliberately if it is to increase its odds of having what is left of Ukraine not merely be neutral as the result of an imposed settlement, but have a very sizeable majority of its citizens be so sick of war and war-related privations that they will be highly resistant to NATO and CIA efforts to turn them back to being its pawns.

Yves’s ruminations point to a quite plausible longer term state of the Russian operation.

It will continue to be a very slow walk for Russia which will give the West time to come back to its senses.

This also fits well with the latest RAND paper on the war which urges for early U.S. negotiations with Russia and for finding a long term security agreement to prevent a future deterioration of East-West relations into a larger war.

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39 Comments
Ouirphuqd
Ouirphuqd
February 14, 2024 8:39 am

Ukraine plays Russian roulette with only one empty chamber, it makes the game go faster!

Will the Scot
Will the Scot
  Ouirphuqd
February 14, 2024 10:39 am

Zelenski seems to playing Russian roulette with a Glock 17.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Ouirphuqd
February 15, 2024 7:46 am

Why even have one chamber empty, really speed up the game, put a bullet in every chamber!

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
February 14, 2024 8:53 am

Ukraine is being ethnically cleansed to make room for the new owners.

You either recognize this or you choose not to.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  hardscrabble farmer
February 14, 2024 8:55 am

Meanwhile in the ME

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mary Christine
February 14, 2024 9:10 am

Just wait until Iran gets involved. Maybe they’ll unleash a wave of drones.

“You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. These things must come to pass.
You will have trouble in this world, but I am not of this world. So, do not worry. Do not be afraid.”

Ghost
Ghost
  Mary Christine
February 14, 2024 8:29 pm

Whose badass girls are those?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Ghost
February 14, 2024 9:03 pm

A bunch of curated kikespawn.

Fuck all the boomer jewess propaganda.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mary Christine
February 14, 2024 8:58 pm

this news is the best i have heard today. i would love to see that terrorist state wiped off the face of the earth.

Steve Z.
Steve Z.
  hardscrabble farmer
February 14, 2024 9:17 am

I thought the eastern provinces are primarily composed of ethnic Russians who were being shelled/killed by the Ukies? That’s what got the SMO started- to stop the Ukie artillery fire on the ethnic Russians living inside Ukraine.
Are you saying the Russians are ethnically cleansing Russians to replace them with Russians?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Steve Z.
February 14, 2024 9:41 am

Is that how you took it?

No, I did not mean that.

1) Who instigated it?

2) Who is funding it?

3) Who is running it?

4) Who isn’t risking their lives yet is claiming authority over every aspect of it?

flash
flash
  hardscrabble farmer
February 14, 2024 10:18 am

lol…

“I will go down in history as the destroyer of bolshevism,”
Adolph Hitler

“There are no fortresses that Bolsheviks cannot storm.”
Joseph Stalin

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Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  hardscrabble farmer
February 14, 2024 10:32 am

They’re not satisfied with Miami Beach?

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  hardscrabble farmer
February 14, 2024 1:42 pm

The United States of America on ALL counts.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve Z.
February 14, 2024 12:08 pm

“to stop the Ukie artillery fire”
that was always a lie, if it was true, why wait 8 years? And why not secure Donetsk right away aka why the fuck is Adveevka still not taken two years later?

Ukraine and Russia both have occupation governments every bit as much as ZOG. They want to replace all of us. Russia has dozens of ethnic minorities they could be throwing into the meatgrinder, but they reserve that for ethnic Russians and volunteers from friendly aka white countries.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Steve Z.
February 14, 2024 1:39 pm

No. He’s trying to tell you that all Russians are Jews. He thinks that Russia will just hand over Ukraine to Israel.

Now how fucking stupid would you have to be to believe that?

I say the US is trying to cover their and Antony Fauci’s ass by destroying all the bioweapons labs and human rights abuses that went with them. Unfortunately for them, there’s just too much to get rid of. More comes out all the time.

And it pisses the haters off because they can’t pin it on Israel.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The Central Scrutinizer
February 14, 2024 2:10 pm

“More comes out all the time.”

citation needed

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The Central Scrutinizer
February 14, 2024 9:00 pm

it is easily pinned on israel. israel was a supplier of weapons to jukraine and involved in the bioterrorism.

k31
k31
  Steve Z.
February 14, 2024 3:54 pm

Even the Russians are moving to colonize the Donbass not with Slavs, but central Asian tribes.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  hardscrabble farmer
February 14, 2024 11:47 am

The piano player told all of US that ukraine was going to be a bigger version of israel … and there’s nothing to change that … just look at who’s getting all of the ‘reconstruction’ contracts … these folks have hated both Germany and Russia for well over 100 years … and, more to the point, they’ve had control of enough aspects of US, UK and EU societies to control the narrative so that all of us hate the Germans and the Russians …

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Anthony Aaron
February 14, 2024 1:43 pm

I’d like to see that video.

Arizona Bay
Arizona Bay
  The Central Scrutinizer
February 14, 2024 3:13 pm

Here you are Glowie. You’ll have to read instead of watching video.

Zelenskyy wants Ukraine to be ‘a big Israel’. Written by Daniel Shapiro.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
February 14, 2024 12:30 pm

New owners? They already owned it. Culling the herd, perhaps. Can’t have them getting all uppity and starting militias on their own.

flash
flash
February 14, 2024 9:19 am

“Many of those get destroyed by the proliferating use of First Person View drones.”
All those years of screen time playing first shooter games is beginning to pay off for fatty Jojo… I personally know of one fat, illiterate, clot-shotted retard who made Major due to his wiliness to kill “terrust” farmers for Uncle Schlomo and Auntie Benny.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 14, 2024 10:04 am
Anonymous
Anonymous
February 14, 2024 12:24 pm

All these guys’ predictions from 2022 are just as nonsensical as the NATO-shills’ predictions. They spin fancies from nothing but government press releases.

“The best Russian move may well be to continue on a slow pace”

How do you get any slower than completely stagnant?

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Anonymous
February 14, 2024 1:47 pm

Throw it into reverse? Yeah. No. That ain’t gonna happen. Russia made it’s move. It’s NATO’s turn now.Looking a few moves ahead, you’ll notice that Russia has NATO in discovery check. The end of this game is nothing but a formality.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The Central Scrutinizer
February 14, 2024 2:09 pm

If you can see it, how does the game actually end in real terms?

IMO, everyone is watching the Werewolves killing villagers and skipping their turn because their schools and their religions tell them it’s chess.

World War Zero
World War Zero
  Anonymous
February 14, 2024 2:31 pm

@Anon :24 min
It is called attrition warfare.
Watch it bankrupt the West.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  World War Zero
February 14, 2024 2:35 pm

Cui bono?

World War Zero
World War Zero
  Anonymous
February 14, 2024 2:43 pm

Not us.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  World War Zero
February 14, 2024 2:48 pm

how does hundreds of thousands or millions of dead Slavs translate into bankrupting the West?

World War Zero
World War Zero
  Anonymous
February 14, 2024 4:17 pm

Unrestricted spending on warfare will push it over the cliff. Afghanistan bankrupted the USSR and that is peanuts compared to what ZATO + 5-eyes wastes.

Of course it doesn’t help that The West is already bankrupt from ((Marxist)) corruption. But don’t worry, Anon, the illegal aliens are here to help us learn how to be cheerfully destitute.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  World War Zero
February 14, 2024 8:48 pm

And Ukraine has been disastrous compared to Afghanistan even for Russia. Will that bankrupt them?

What does bankrupt even mean when the entire banking system is fake and gay?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
February 14, 2024 3:33 pm

not enough shock and awe for ya?
You like the US blitz and bomb style?
It’s easy when you can just leave and go back to the other side of the world without having to care about living right next to the people you’re warring with.
Then again, it looks like the US may soon find out after decades of fucking around, what with more enemies within our former borders than there are members of our military (who are mostly in places they oughtn’t be, anyway).
In the next few years you may come to long for slow, methodical wars — especially one’s in far off nations that you can have the luxury of not caring too much about (other than having your wealth flushed there).

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
February 14, 2024 9:02 pm

I dropped out of .mil because the ‘war on terra’ was obvious bullshit.

So is this shit. Slow, methodical slaughter of Whites over jewish oligarchic disputes is nothing to celebrate.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
February 14, 2024 9:03 pm

russia is not stagnant. it has been destroying the nazi army. russia assumed an offensive posture in november after the nazi armies failed in their foolish offensive in robotyne. the russians are not going to waste manpower.

your problem is that you are a cnn junkie.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
February 14, 2024 10:04 pm

muh nazis!

I didn’t even know cnn was still around. But even if I don’t consoom boomer proopaganda I can look at a fookin map and see when it doesn’t change for 1.5 years

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 14, 2024 8:57 pm

“Even if efforts to raise more personnel succeed, at high economic costs, it will take months until they will reach the frontline:”

no, twit, it will not take that long. conscripts are being taken off the streets and sent to the front in as little as 8 days. and the body bags are filling up fast with women.

kyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiivv!!
just keep saying it so that jukraine wins.