Guest Post by Eric Peters
Why do you suppose you can’t pay cash to charge up an EV?
Many people don’t even know you can’t pay cash to charge up an EV. That you must put an app on your phone that’s used to charge your account. This means you must have your tracking device – whoops, your “smart” phone – with you wherever you go. If you go via EV. It means the system knows when, where and how much you’ve been charging.
There’s no legitimate reason for this.
The self-checkout machines at supermarkets take cash as well as charge – at least for now – and there’s no technical reason why an EV charger could not also accept cash. Yet none do.
Why is that?
Well, there are the reasons already mentioned. It is clear that part of the push to “electrify” personal transportation is a push to data mine personal information. There’s very little money in cash, you see. But data can be extremely profitable. It’s a big business – and you’re the product.
There are also more sinister reasons, of course. Because nothing the government does is ever benevolent.
It is hard to prevent someone who has cash from paying for things he needs; the government has no way of knowing whether you even have cash and never mind what you may have bought with it. The government does not like this anonymity – and neither do the corporations that have become even worse than government because the Bill of Rights restrains corporations even less than it restrains the government. Both want to know every last detail of your financial life as well as your life, generally. They want to be able to quickly discover discrepancies – your spending vs. your income, for instance. So as to make sure – as far as the government is concerned – that you always pay every cent in taxes the government says you “owe.”
That latter business being just stupendous – in terms of its gall. No honest thief would tell you that you “owe” him money. Such insolent derangement is characteristic of government only.
Anyhow, it bothers the government that you can pay cash for gas because the transaction is outside the knowledge and so control of the government. The heavy-handed attempt to “lock down” the population during the authoritarian theatrical event styled “the pandemic” failed to lock down the population – in part because anyone who had a car (and gas) could drive pretty much wherever they needed to go. And that was easy enough to do because the government was not able to “lock down” cash transactions.
Envision what it would be like if the government – and the corporations that are becoming indistinguishable from government – could finely control how much charge you are allowed to buy. Could prevent you from buying any charge at all – for any reason at all – by locking you out of your account.
The fact that this is easily done ought to bother you. But much more bothersome is the fact that is being done.
That it is already done.
There is no place in America where it is possible to pay cash to charge an EV. This neatly and deliberately bifurcates Americans who are “wired” – who don’t seem to mind – and Americans who, for sound reasons, do not wish to be “wired.” What seems likely to happen – what the end goal (one of them) seems to be – is to winnow out people who don’t have an EV. They will only be able to drive if gas is available – and if the price of gas remains affordable. Both of these “problems” are easily solved by government.
What then?
Well, you can only drive if you own an EV and only if you have the app that connects your digital wallet to the charge machine. The government deciding whether you’ll be allowed to drive by having the power to control whether (and how much) you can charge. When transportation is “electrified” – and cashless – it will be so much easier for the government to control movement by centralizing it without most people realizing it.
People see individually owned EVs and think nothing has fundamentally changed. You still have your car; it just happens to be a battery powered device. But all of this is illusory in that every single EV you see is literally tethered to a central control hub that controls the electricity (home solar charging in anything less than days requires a massive array at massive cost and so it’s off-the-table for most people).
And financially, via the cashless app that your have to use in order to buy the charge.
If it sounds sinister, that’s because it is. If it weren’t, these EV chargers would accept cash, so as to make it easier for people to pay for a charge and to encourage people who prefer to use cash to buy and drive an EV.
But that’s not the case. It is in fact the opposite case. And that’s why it’s sinister – unless you think it’s harmless and even benevolent to give government and corporations the power to micromanage our comings and goings.
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I pass by a Tesla charging station in the local Best Buy parking lot and think what perfect robbery victims they are…sitting ducks, for those so swarthy invaders to rob, rape, and pillage.
At least at a FUELING station, you can use the FUELING hose to soak a perp and set that invader/nigs ass on fire before topping off the tank and being on your trouble free way.
If EVs were truly meant to be beneficial for consumers, they would have 2 batteries and an alternator. No charging stations needed. Since they don’t, my only conclusion is that they are just another piece of the open air prison being constructed for the little people.
No chance of robbing EV owners where I live, I have still yet to see an EV charging at a charging station.
Only a SUCKER or a democrat would buy a EV.
An EV is not for everyone. I personally like my EV, and it has nothing to do with “Climate Change.” I charge it at home. No buying gas, no oil changes, no transmission fluid changes, no brake pads changes (so far on a 10 year old car), no smog checks, no radiator fluid, and overall low maintenance.
It’s been paid off for years. The only real drawback from my point of view, is the max range is only 230 miles on a 10 year old car. It’s only good for city driving.
I really like my bicycle. No buying gas, no oil changes, no transmission fluid changes, no brake pads changes, no smog checks, no radiator fluid, and overall low maintenance.
It’s been paid off for years. The only real drawback from my point of view, is the max range is only 20 miles on a 10 year old bicycle. That doesn’t bother me much because I live in a 15 minute town and have not been approved to leave by my masters.
Sorry General, I’m not trying to pick on you, but that is how I read your comment. Good luck!
Thanks! Good to know that I can count on you for moral support….
A buddy at work has one, but strictly for commute and around town. He even got some sort of kickback from .Gov to buy it. Says it’s saved him some money. I think they make sense for some people, but not for me. Too many other downsides like battery explosions? They’re not green and essentially disposable once the battery life is up. Another .Gov boondoggle. Hydrogen powered vehicles are the real answer to all of the problems with EV and current ICE powered vehicles. Can and will build my own if need be.
Eric Peter’s always goes overboard on the fear porn.
EV’s cost the rest of us thru gov subsides, increased insurance costs from collision repairs and self-immolation.
An EV is for morons who desire a slave collar around their neck. But, feel free to lie to yourself. EVs are kind of an allegory for how the Boomers fucked every subsequent generation.
Have a friend that has a 6 yr.. old Coal Fired Car. Loves it. Only drives it around Charlotte.
5 hr. road trip to visit his parents at Palmetto Bluff (Bluffton/HHI)… It’s Wifey’s Suburban.
EV’s aren’t selling, everyone warn others to not buy them.
The article is kind of retarded. Who would want to feed paper money into a charging station? Here’s an even more retarded idea, try using Gold since it’s so popular here on TBP. Digital money is the future. whether it is a Fed CBDC or Bitcoin or a credit card.
Many retailers make as many payment options available as possible so as to be able to serve the widest possible customer base. Failure to please a variety of consumers creates niche markets which competitors can exploit.
I’m sorry … but just which retailers make options besides cash or debit/credit available?
The three methods you listed (more than three when considering the number of credit cards available) are the variety of payment options to which I referred in my post. Some retailers even advertise these payment options with the logos of various credit cards posted on their doors or front windows under a heading such as “We accept…” Compare that to the single option offered by EV charging stations as per the article which is “the app that connects your digital wallet to the charge machine.”
In my experience most retailers (everything from pizza shops to car dealerships) don’t limit a customer’s ability to pay to a single app. Considering the fact that I don’t own a cell phone I think that’s a good thing.
Perhaps your experiences have been different.
I like these folks with multiple payment options,I do not even know what service/product they offer but feel would get along with them very well!
Bdc, pure and widespread digital money is the future that will never arrive. It will be the world’s first stillborn currency. Deader than Deagle. The coming systemic collapse, wars, and grid-down dark age will insure that digital and fiat will be replaced so quickly by many time honored and honest local trading mechanism that any PTB won’t be able to stamp them out fast enough. Ever heard of black (honest) markets? And by the way, big systems, institutions, and globalism are self destructing—passé. New world coming— just not the one we or the masters of the universe were planning on.
Fuck an EV! I’m just waiting for the car that runs on water, that they already have the technology for, to come out. That’ll solve all of our problems from emissions to these refueling stations. I know the government will do what’s right for John and Mary Q Public, right??
Any day now….
(holding breath)
I know a guy who has a car that runs on water except he calls it a “boat.”
Let me guess, Ray Jason?
Does anyone know why the soda and snack machines in remote locations like rest stops on highways have grills over the front of the vending machines? It’s to stop people from breaking into the machine to steal the cash. Those chargers would be toast in a week if they had cash in them. The copper wire is worth a lot too.
Perhaps the EV chargers could have such grills installed too.
When monkey wrenching gets going full tilt, you will be seeing many EV charging stations minus their power cords. Base metals like Copper will be just as useful as Gold.
It’s pretty obvious why you have to pay by card. They’re unattended. Doesn’t mean an EV is a great idea or anything but the issue raised is pretty stupid
Everything from gumball machines to ATMs hold cash and are unattended, as stupid as that might be.
An ATM is designed for the express purpose of holding cash. Coins in a gumball is hardly the same thing. Taking cash would massively complicate the security and design while only about 10% of people pay in cash
So it’s true that a device such as an ATM which can securely hold cash can be installed at EV charging stations to facilitate cash payments just as they are available at bars and supermarkets.
Ten percent is nothing to sneeze at. Many businesses would be happy to make a relatively small investment in order to grow their business by ten percent.
But then the charging stations themselves would still HAVE to hold cash as well. This means the companies would then have to pay someone to go around emptying them of cash. Not only that, they would have to make them much more secure as well.
There is obviously, OBVIOUSLY, a good reason for charging stations to not accept cash. They are freaking unattended, unlike gas stations.
If there are obvious reasons to deter customers and leave money on the table I don’t see it. Every extra item sold helps the bottom line.
That’s why you always hear, “Do you want fries with that?” One could say that there are obvious reasons not to sell fries — you need dedicated friers and staff to operate them — but that doesn’t deter most restaurants in America from making and selling fries for profit.
Your contention that earning money requires the expenditure of capital and therefore should be avoided makes no sense to me as a capitalist.
Would you be using the charging station even if they designed it to your requirements? You’re obviously not their market
But you are. More’s the pity.
Yeah, I agree V. This piece isn’t nefarious. The logistics of cash management and vending and so forth are actually really complicated, especially if it’s involving more than just quarters. How many gasoline fuel pumps accept cash? (Not the store clerk inside, the actual pump.) How many people with home chargers pay their electric bill in cash?
There’s a lot to chuckle about regarding EVs (and our financial system). Electronic payment isn’t really an issue, though. When the government is after you, paying in cash to charge your EV is the least of your problems. Heck, the more useful cash is probably a backpack full to buy somebody else’s vehicle and phone on the spot. That would at least buy you a little time in the confusion while the cell tracking and license plate readers adapted. But of course then you have to contemplate why you’re running in the first place and where exactly you think you can get to that’s better and/or beyond the reach of the globalist system tracking you. Are you getting off planet somehow?
EV owners aren’t dumb; they’re affluent.They almost all own ICE vehicles, too.
The fact remains that a person with an older vehicle, no cell phone and cash to buy gas will not be pinpointed and tracked like you are 24/7.
If you believe that it’s impossible to live in a world where you maintain your autonomy then you’ll make no effort to remain free. That’s the mindset of a slave or even worse. When you as a consumer accept the idea that corporations must have the ability to oversee your entire life you’ve conceded the game at the outset.
I’ll continue to vote with my wallet. For those of who care it’s the only vote we have left.
How did this get from charging stations use credit card networks to slave mindsets? What person can maintain the operational security of being a single person, no phones, and only cash for an extended period of time? EVs are a bust because they’re overpriced toys. Not because you pay for electricity electronically.
Didn’t you read the article?
“People see individually owned EVs and think nothing has fundamentally changed. You still have your car; it just happens to be a battery powered device. But all of this is illusory in that every single EV you see is literally tethered to a central control hub that controls the electricity (home solar charging in anything less than days requires a massive array at massive cost and so it’s off-the-table for most people).
And financially, via the cashless app that your have to use in order to buy the charge.
If it sounds sinister, that’s because it is. If it weren’t, these EV chargers would accept cash, so as to make it easier for people to pay for a charge and to encourage people who prefer to use cash to buy and drive an EV.
But that’s not the case. It is in fact the opposite case. And that’s why it’s sinister – unless you think it’s harmless and even benevolent to give government and corporations the power to micromanage our comings and goings.”
I don’t know who needs to know this but the cables on charging stations contains about three pounds of copper each. They are perfectly harmless when they are not being used to charge. And cannot be traced once the insulation is stripped off.
Just saying. Not that I would encourage anyone to do such a thing.
Seem to have trouble getting into and staying on TBP last few days. Felt admin should be aware, apologize for this being OT. Admittedly am using old equip and software: W7 Pro, Outdated Brave browser (because of the W7). Thought that was problem, but so far still working on every other website but here. What happens: enter tbp, click on an article to read, brave shuts down entirely. Bring back up, all is fine til try to read articles or comments on tbp. Same systems on 3 computers. Wired network. In order to stay on tbp, have to shut down, reboot in Linux. So could just be my system. But just wondering, what if it’s not? Anyone else having trouble getting, staying in here? Hoping it’s not some sort of interference/blocking/banning of TBP.
I was at the Hardrock northern Indiana today . There was actually a Tesla hooked up to a charger in the parking lot .Must a been a gook charging up his toy.
Wake me up when they start putting tracking chips in combat boots.