V FOR VENDETTA – 2011(Oldie but Not Goodie)

It has been almost two years since I whipped this article out in a one day sleepless frenzy. I was then reminded of it by the BART incident, the London riots and the indictment of the Tea Party as terrorists by the liberal MSM and Democratic politicians in the summer of 2011, so I posted it again . There were calls for civility that week. I knew it wouldn’t happen. Now the horrific mass murder in Connecticut brought it back to my mind again. This Fourth Turning gets worse by the day.


Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot…


After the horrific mass murder in Tucson yesterday I had trouble sleeping last night. When my mind gets overloaded, I can’t sleep. I came downstairs at 3:30 am and for some reason decided now was the time to watch the movie V For Vendetta. Many people had recommended this movie over the years, but I had never gotten around to it. Well, on the day after the attempted assassination of a Congresswoman and murder of six others, including a Federal Judge, this movie provided a vision into what could happen next in this country.

The 2006 movie centers around a man wearing a Guy Fawkes mask who refers to himself as V.  He is a bold, charismatic freedom fighter driven to exact revenge on those who disfigured him.  The film is an allegory of oppression and coercion by government. It is a declaration against government intervention into the lives of the citizens. He blows up the Old Bailey on November 5, Guy Fawkes Day. He promises to blow up Parliament one year later on the 5th of November. His speech at the beginning of the movie, broadcast to all of England, explains what happened in a fictional England and what is happening here:

“Good evening, London.

Allow me first to apologize, for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of everyday routine, the security, the familiar, the tranquility, repetition… I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, whereby those important events of the past, usually associated with someone’s death or the end of some awful, bloody struggle, are celebrated with a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is certainly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat.

There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. I think that even now orders are been shouted into telephones and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because when the truncheon maybe used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who would listen, the enunciation of the truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there?

Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression, and where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission? How did this happen? Who’s to blame? Well certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again, truth be told, if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

I know why you did it. I know you were afraid! Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease… There were a myriad problems that conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic, you turned to the now High Chancellor, Adam Suttler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient, consent.

Last night, I sought to end that silence. Last night, I destroyed the Old Bailey to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than 400 years ago, a great citizen wished to embed the 5th of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you’ve seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you, then, I would suggest you allow the 5th of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me, one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a 5th of November that shall never, ever, be forgot.”


The movie’s central theme revolves around the 1605 Gunpowder Plot to blow up Parliament. The plot was a failed assassination attempt against King James I of England by a group of provincial English Catholics led by Robert Catesby. The plan was to blow up the House of Lords during the State Opening of Parliament on November 5, 1605, as the prelude to a popular revolt in the Midlands during which James’s nine-year-old daughter, Princess Elizabeth, was to be installed as the Catholic head of state.


 Guy Fawkes, who had 10 years of military experience fighting in the Spanish Netherlands in suppression of the Dutch Revolt, was given charge of the explosives. The plot was revealed to the authorities in an anonymous letter sent to William Parker, 4th Baron Monteagle. During a search of the House of Lords at about midnight on November 4, 1605, Fawkes was discovered guarding 36 barrels of gunpowder – enough to reduce the House of Lords to rubble – and arrested. He was hanged shortly thereafter. November the 5th has been celebrated ever since this event with celebrations and fireworks.

Anarchy Has Arrived

There’s no certainty – only opportunity. V – V For Vendetta


As I watched hour after hour of coverage about the ambush and assassination attempt on a Congresswoman from Arizona, I couldn’t help but think this could be the spark for something bigger. There were almost immediate reactions from the MSM that this murder was instigated by the Tea Party. The liberal ideologue Paul Krugman blamed the Republican Party for the murders. Apoplectic left wing faux journalist Keith Olbermann described conservative commentators as those “who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism”. The local sheriff, an Arizona State Senator and the Congresswoman’s father all blamed the Tea Party, either directly or indirectly. Based on my reading of the murderer’s writings and youtubes, he appears to be a mentally deranged psycho. Somehow, every liberal MSM “journalist” has concluded that this was due to the contentious political atmosphere in the country. This is code for “we need less dissent”. Stop disagreeing with the Obama agenda. If you disagree, you are dangerous.

The scene in the movie that made me think of yesterday’s events was toward the end of the movie when Inspector Finch, who is trying to capture V, has a feeling about what is going to happen:

Finch: I had to see it. There wasn’t much left. But when I was there it was strange. I suddenly had this feeling that everything was connected. It’s like I could see the whole thing, one long chain of events that stretched all the way back before Larkhill. I felt like I could see everything that happened, and everything that is going to happen. It was like a perfect pattern, laid out in front of me. And I realized we’re all part of it, and all trapped by it.
Dominic: So do you know what’s gonna happen?

Finch: No, it was a feeling. But I can guess. With so much chaos, someone will do something stupid. And when they do, things will turn nasty. And then Sutler will be forced to do the only thing he knows how to do. At which point, all V needs to do is keep his word. And then…
[Dominoes collapse with TV footages showing conflicts between rioting citizens and the anti-riot police]

The line that hit me like a ton of bricks was, “With so much chaos, someone will do something stupid.” As Inspector Finch was speaking these words a scene of a policeman shooting a 10 year old girl with a Guy Fawkes Mask on is shown and then an angry mob surrounds and kill the policeman.

Yesterday, someone did something stupid. The question is what happens next.

Already, a fringe religious fanatic pastor and his followers, who have previously picketed the military funerals of Americans killed in Iraq, issued this press release:

 “Thank God for the shooter – 6 dead! WBC will picket their funerals!”  It continues on to condemn what it condemns as violence unleashed on WBC by a “hateful nation…hoping to silence our kind warning to obey God and flee the wrath to come.”

There is one thing I’m sure about. This will not result in more civil discourse. Opposing ideologies will become further entrenched in their positions. Those who attempt to be peacemakers will be shouted down. Passions will rise as they did in the 1850s when another member of Congress was badly injured as national passions flamed over slavery.  On May 19, 1856, Senator Charles Sumner of Massachusetts, a prominent voice in the anti-slavery movement, delivered an impassioned speech denouncing the compromises that helped perpetuate slavery and led to confrontations in Kansas. Sumner singled out Senator Andrew Pickens Butler of South Carolina. Butler, who had recently been incapacitated by a stroke and was recuperating in South Carolina, was held to particular ridicule by Sumner. Sumner said that Butler had taken as his mistress “the harlot, slavery.” Sumner also referred to the South as an immoral place for allowing slavery, and he mocked South Carolina.

Preston Brooks, a member of the House of Representatives from South Carolina, was particularly incensed. Not only had the fiery Sumner ridiculed his home state, but Brooks was the nephew of Andrew Butler, one of Sumner’s targets. Brooks walked to Sumner’s desk in the Senate chamber, and reportedly said: “You have libeled my state and slandered my relation, who is aged and absent. And I feel it to be my duty to punish you.” With that, Brooks struck the seated Sumner across the head with his heavy cane. Brooks continued raining blows with the cane upon Sumner, who tried to fend them off with his arms. As might be expected, northern newspapers responded to the violent attack on the Senate floor with horror. Southern newspapers published editorials lauding Brooks, claiming that the attack was a justified defense of the south and slavery. Supporters sent Brooks new canes, and Brooks claimed that people wanted pieces of the cane he used to beat Sumner as “holy relics.”

This attack was a foreshadowing of what was to come – the deaths of 600,000 Americans in the space of four years – over 4% of the male population. Yesterday’s tragedy is another step deeper into this Fourth Turning. Every Fourth Turning has proven to be a decisive era of secular upheaval, when the values regime propels the replacement of the old civic order with a new one.

Words Matter, Ideas Can Change the World

People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. V – V For Vendetta


The prior Fourth Turnings in U.S. history (American Revolution, Civil War, Great Depression/World War II) all proved to be secular upheavals of immense proportions, tore apart the existing civil order, but had numerous moments of danger and uncertainty about the future turn of events. We are six years into a twenty year Crisis saeculum. Every Crisis intensifies as time progresses to an ultimate crescendo. The initial financial crisis built to a dramatic peak in September 2008 as the government and Federal Reserve have taken extraordinary and immoral actions to protect Wall Street banks. Since September 11, 2001, the government has used fear as its primary means of controlling the American population. Fear of terrorists, fear of flying, fear of WMD, fear of mushroom clouds, fear of the axis of evil, fear of economic collapse, fear of a Great Depression, and now fear of the Tea Party movement. This attack by a crazy man will lead to further losses of liberties and freedoms. That is a certainty.

Americans have been lulled into a false sense of security. V’s speech to the people of England invokes Ben Franklin:

“I know why you did it. I know you were afraid! Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease… There were a myriad problems that conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic, you turned to the now High Chancellor, Adam Suttler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient, consent.” V – V For Vendetta

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

– Ben Franklin

This country has not reached the level of control and fear seen in Orwell’s 1984 and V For Vendetta, yet. We are moving relentlessly in that direction. Surveillance, monitoring, spying, censorship, secret prisons, predator drones, and conforming to state rules and regulations put citizens further under the thumb of an all powerful state. The freedom to dissent, the freedom to be left alone, the freedom to speak out against injustice, the freedom to disagree with your government, and the freedom to present your ideas without fear of retribution or penalty are essential in a democratic society. The next phase of this Fourth Turning will surely include another downward spiral in financial markets as un-payable debts accumulate to a tipping point level. When ATM machines stop spitting out twenties, food shelves are bare and gas stations are shuttered, social chaos will ensue. The government will react with further command and control measures. In V For Vendetta, the government creates a terrorist incident in order to gain unquestioned control over the population. Americans will need to be more vigilant than they have been over the last ten years in keeping an eye on their government.

In the movie, Parliament is the symbol of government power. The thought of destroying this symbol provided the people with a renewed sense of purpose and power. By V’s destruction of the building, the people regained their hope for the future. The symbol of America is the Statue of Liberty. The pedestal at the base of the statue states:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The idea of America is still alive. Whether it is kept alive is up to us. Words matter. Ideas can change the world.

 “I know of no reason why the Gunpowder Treason should ever be forgot… But what of the man? I know his name was Guy Fawkes and I know, in 1605, he attempted to blow up the Houses of Parliament. But who was he really? What was he like? We are told to remember the idea, not the man, because a man can fail. He can be caught, he can be killed and forgotten, but 400 years later, an idea can still change the world. I’ve witnessed first hand the power of ideas, I’ve seen people kill in the name of them, and die defending them… but you cannot kiss an idea, cannot touch it, or hold it… ideas do not bleed, they do not feel pain, they do not love… And it is not an idea that I miss, it is a man… A man that made me remember the Fifth of November. A man that I will never forget.” – Evey Hammond – V For Vendetta



137 thoughts on “V FOR VENDETTA – 2011(Oldie but Not Goodie)”

  1. As is to be expected after a mass killing that involves not only a national level politician but also a Federal Judge and a relatively famous Baseball player/manager AND a couple of children, the OUTRAGE is simply pouring across the pages of the blogosphere. Given that the Shooter did not commit Suicide in this case, it’s also about guaranteed to be a Media Circus for the foreseeable future. Any economic newz will about disappear from FOX Newz as they cover this story in endless gruesome detail.

    The thing is, that this event happened should be of no surprise to anyone who has been observing the social collapse going on around us. Events like this are practically weekly occurrences in countries further down the collapse highway like Iraq and Pakistan. All that needed to happen was the sense of pervasive HOPELESSNESS to come to these shores, and now it has. People ask me all the time, “RE, do your Predictions ever come true?” Well folks, I predicted this one 3 years ago when I started the Falling Stockborkers and Going Postal Suicide Watch on Peak Oil.

    The signs have been around us for a while that this was coming, Joe Stack flew his Cessna into an IRS building a while back, and there have been several College Campus shootings over the last couple of years. These are also just the events that have been spectacular enough to get picked up by the MSM. There have been even more local Suicides of despondent people, sometimes taking their whole families with them into the Great Beyond.

    Will this particular event be the one that sets off a further chain of events that brings us into the kind of Mad Max world the residents of Baghdad live in? If so, what kind of event chains are likely to occur after this one?

    On an individual level, this action could trigger other “psychos” to go Postal. We label them psychos because of course going out and willy nilly killing people isn’t considered normal behavior, but the problem here is that the society is making ever more psychos. People don’t generally instantaneously go nuts, it happens over a period of years sometimes beginning in childhood, but also occurring later in life when events in their personal lives go south. For this particular Shooter, he is so young that his psychosis probably began in childhood. We are likely to hear from people who knew him in HS that he was a misfit, all the usual stories.

    How many misfits are there in the Warehouses we call High Schools these days, anybody want to hazard a guess on that one? Could you even tell with the Piercings and the Tattoos who the misfits are? What about the “normal” guys whose lives are falling apart now like Michael Douglas in “Falling Down”? How many of them are out there now and gradually going nuts?

    The one thing you can be sure of is that as the economic situation worsens, the society will create more “psychos”. In response to this, you can also be sure that there will be some attempt to gain control over the problem by the society at large, until of course there are just too many psychos to contain. What are the likely control methods to be attempted here?

    The most obvious one would be a new push to Ban Guns, but this brings with it another set of problems. Many Gun Owners espouse the philosophy that you will only “pry my gun from my cold dead fingers.” While most of them are Blowhards, I am sure at least a few will go down in a Blaze of Gunfire, thoroughly out-gunned as they take on the Gestapo from the ATF and FBI. Besides that, many will hide their guns, especially the already Psycho. Besides that, many guns flow around the drug community unregistered, and for the FBI and ATF to try to confiscate those guns, they would have to go into every ghetto in the country, places the local cops long ago stopped trying to police. In short, trying to implement this policy would almost certainly create a whole new set of problems in vastly increasing the size and scope of the Police State.

    Da Goobermint may realize this, which could lead to the Opposite Scenario, which is that everyone will start Packing Heat. That was the case in the Great Depression in the time of Prohibition of course. In the case where everyone was carrying a gun, it would be unlikely that one Psycho could shoot so many people in a parking lot, since after he pulls his gun and starts shooting, everybody in the parking lot will pull their guns and shoot back. Maybe he knocks down 2 or 3 before he gets knocked down, but not 12. Back to the Wild West of course.

    Thing is, that won’t stop a determined psycho either, he’ll bunker up at the top of a Tower somewhere and start picking off the well armed people below with a high powered rifle and scope. Depending on the number of people circulating and how long it takes for the crowd to realize they are targets, said sniper could knock down quite a few people before they clear the fire zone. Then the SWAT team gets called in to figure out which window the shots are coming from, they pile on in with tear gas wearing body armor and knock out the sniper, but that is what he was after anyhow, and meanwhile he achieves his goal of taking a few people with him into the Great Beyond. Bottom Line, there is NO DEFENSE against a suicidal individual with nothing left to lose but his life, which he is ready to give up anyhow.

    The only solution to the problem would be to not make so many psychos to begin with, but that isn’t going to happen as long as the economic condition of the society continues to deteriorate, which it is going to do for the foreseeable future. So, since neither trying to confiscate guns nor having everybody armed will resolve this problem, the conclusion is that either way we are going to get a lot more violent behavior generated through the society over the coming years.

    For the Politicians and the Banksters, these folks won’t be appearing in Public Places very much anymore. When they do have to travel, they will be accompanied by Secret Service in the case of Politicians, and for the Banksters by Private Bodyguards hired from the ranks of ex-Green Berets and Army Rangers. I cannot imagine that Lloyd Blankfein travels anywhere these days without cars full of Mercs in front of and behind his Limo, which is also Bulletproof and hardened to withstand a hit by an RPG.

    Being so well protected doesn’t resolve the problems for either Da Goobermint Politicians or the Banksters. For the Politicians, once they sequester themselves off and no longer interact with their constituencies, they lose the legitimacy to rule. Elections such as they are will be even more of a sham, as most people will be afraid to even go out and vote. Regardless though, just like in India and Pakistan, folks who decide to risk being a Political Ruler will be offed on a regular basis, as their Secret Service guards are Bribed to look the other way. Banksters will have a similar problem with their Body Guards, for the simple reason that in every Trade there is a Winner and a Loser, and these guys are fighting with EACH OTHER for control of an ever shrinking pie. If Al Capone and Bugsy Seagall are both fighting for control of some Territory, Al will bribe one of Bugsy’s Bodyguards, and Bugsy will try the same thing with one of Al’s. Eventually they meet up in a St. Valentine’s Day Massacre at some party in the Hamptons, Tommy Guns Blazing as Ford Models serving Canapes get filled full of more Lead than Coke and Bankster Tube Steak.

    How long will the Wild West/Prohibition scenario go on before some order gets restored? In this case, probably not until nobody can get a hold of Bullets anymore to fill the magazines of their guns, which is likely to take quite some time.

    Also likely of course is that the Psychos will run out of Bullets before the Politicians and the Banksters do, but that won’t stop Psychos from going Postal. In Japan a while back a Psycho drove his car into a Tokyo shopping district and then jumped out and started making Sushi out of the Consumers with his Ginsu Knife. You don’t need complex weapons to start a fire, a match will do the trick. As long as the society continues to spin down in its economics, the society will continue to make psychos, criminals, terrorists and of course Zombie Cannibals also eventually. Hannibal Lechter isn’t far over the horizon here. Like a Hydra, for every Zombie whose head you cut off, two more will spring up in its place.

    Anyhow, I for one am in no way surprised this latest Postal Event occurred. Its not going to be the last one, by any means. This is the outcome of a Civilization Collapse, you really just have to read the Book of Revelation to understand it. People simply GO NUTS when the civilization they are living in collapses. You get your Sodom & Gomorrahs consumed in moral turpitude, you get entire cities going up in flames. All you really can do is RUN AWAY from it, and do not look back either, or like Lot’s Wife you will turn into a Pillar of Salt.

    You can feel sorry for all the folks who were at the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time here and became the victims of this particular Psycho’s actions, but you should be equally sorry for any kids who were on the wrong bus in Baghdad when a Suicide Bomber lit up his C-4 encrusted vest, and sorry for any kids who were in the wrong building when a Drone Aircraft lit it up with a Stinger Missile. Innocents are dying everywhere all the time, sometimes quickly through the violence of War, other times more slowly through gradual starvation. All of us are living inside a Global Civilization that is Collapsing around us, and not only Individuals will Go Postal here, entire Nations will also as time goes by. There is no stopping this now, we are destined for increasing levels of violence and decreasing personal freedoms as a result. There are no non-Combatants in a Civilization Collapse, and the Innocent will die along with the Guilty here in vast numbers. It will be the way of the world for the rest of your natural life.

    Its Coming Soon to a Theatre Near You. It already ARRIVED in SSS neighborhood.


  2. I have seen more conjecture about the motives of the shooter than I would have ever dreamed possible. The event is being dishonestly politicized by all parties. Vested interests are so pervasive no reason is possible. Unfortunately, I do not believe the choice is any longer ours. At best we may bring influence to the margins. Hopefully we will avoid doomsday but I am dispirited.

  3. RE——We both know I seldom glance at your deluded shit, except to occasionally laugh. I did happen to scan your first two paragraphs here and nearly hit the floor. You may well be the only person alive on this planet who will try to take credit for predicting the Arizona shooting. You sick fucker, you aren’t even saying you knew something LIKE this would occur. You claim you specifically called this one. “I predicted this one 3 years ago…” . Get some help before it’s too late. That Arizona incident is a fine example of what can transpire if someone snaps. There are many fine organizations set up specifically to help psychotic, troubled, narcissistic fools like you.

  4. Admin

    I have great difficulty in believing that you put that article together in as short a time as you did. But your lead paragraph says it all:

    “After the horrific mass murder in Tucson yesterday I had trouble sleeping last night. When my mind gets overloaded, I can’t sleep. I came downstairs at 3:30 am and for some reason decided now was the time to watch the movie V For Vendetta. Many people had recommended this movie over the years, but I had never gotten around to it. Well, on the day after the attempted assassination of a Congresswoman and murder of six others, including a Federal Judge, this movie provided a vision into what could happen next in this country.”

    This incredible accomplishment to weave so many agreeable words (to me, at least) together in such a short time after a national tragedy is not lost on me. I recognize it, and I applaud it. Thank you for this amazing article.

    P.S. Don’t let this go to your head. I remain in ambush, ready to pounce at a moment’s notice.

    1. SSS

      Now I won’t refer to you as “old man”. You know how to play me like a fiddle. You will now be referred to as “wise old man”, unless you disagree with me, then anything goes.

  5. Smokey – nice catch. As usual I did not read his shit.

    RE – your are truly a fuckwit. I have explained to you why. Now you are making hindsight predictions. Seriously – get some help.

  6. Those who would give up Essential Liberty
    to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
    deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

    Ben Franklin

    What a brilliant statement. It’s so sad where our country is heading. Jim, great article once again.

  7. The prediction was for one of an increasing number and frequency of Postal Events as time progressed and the collapse had more negative effects on more people, not for specific incidents dimwit. Read for comprehension.


  8. llpoh—-I predict Baltimore will smoke KC earlier today and that Philly will lose a squeaker to GB. Oh, and I predict the Colts and the Saints lose yesterday too.

  9. Gerald Celente has warned “when people lose everything and they have nothing left to lose, they lose it!”

    This incident and the one with the guy who opened fire in a Panama City Florida school board meeting, along with the pilot last year, I fear, are just the begining. Before the guy opened fire at the superintendent he had walked over to the wall and spray painted a red V on the wall.

    Will certain movies get “banned?” or burned?! become contraband similar to what happened with holy books like the Quran in the movie “V for Vendetta”.

  10. Smokey – I predict the Admin will ignore the Eagles loss and will try to shift attention away from it by posting another fine article.

    I predict there will be another mass murder within 10 years, as well as a murder of a public figure within that time as well. When it happens I will take credit for such being a seer of all things.

    I predict RE will post 10000 words or more this week. I further predict he will write on any and all subjects, whether or not he has any knowledge of said subjects.

  11. Admin et al

    Although the Control Grid that the State is building over us will likely increase because of this violence against the system, it was not a result of the violence. The Control Grid was being prepared anyway. Even if all the sheeple laid down and simply grazed and said baaaa, it would have been built.

    The age-old struggle is for individual autonomy over one’s life and the fruits of one’s labor. For a time, we moved away from the peasant/ feudal lord relationship, and there was something called the Constitution that tried to protect the rights of the individual which resulted in the middle class (Rest in Peace). But the feudal lords can never have enough, and the oligarchy has taken control of the government, and used it to undermine our liberties and wealth.

    The Control Grid is there not because of the violence. The violence is there because of the Control Grid.

    The problem is this: The Federal Corporatist Government of the Oligarchs JUST WON’T FUCKING BACK OFF.

    They’ve always stolen a percentage of the wealth of the people, BUT DO THEY HAVE TO COLLAPSE THE ENTIRE FUCKING NATIONAL ECONOMY DUE TO THEIR GREED?

  12. SmokeyQuinn:

    There is one thing I’m sure about.

    September 11, 2001 was USSA government created. THE so-called ‘terrorist incident’ orchestrated to gain unquestioned control over the blind and dumb population. Americans, and especially people like you SmokeyQuinn, will need to be much more vigilant and connect the obvious scientific facts.

    The NWO/Nazi government uses fear as its primary means of controll of the American sheep.

    Fear of foreign terrorists, fear of flying, fear of WMD, fear of mushroom clouds, fear of the axis of evil, fear of economic collapse, fear of a Great Depression, and fear of that biggest boogey man of all, Osama Bin Laden and his magical band of 19 Arab elves.

    This attack by a crazy man will lead to further losses of liberties and freedoms. That is a certainty.

    Your almost there… Get a stubby pencil out of your school bag and connect those dots.

    Special Class is back in session.

    1. DP

      You left the barn to post more of your crazy ass conspiracy shit. Get it out of your system because your IP address will be banned by the end of the day.

  13. Historian Adam Nicholson, in his book
    God’s Secretaries,
    presents compelling evidence that Guy Fawkes was a patsy, and that the “extremist Catholic plot to blow up Parliament” was a set-up by minister Robert Cecil and his War Party.

    The massively publicized Gunpowder Plot–the 9/11 of the 17th century–was designed to incite hatred of Catholics and trigger a century of war with Catholic Spain and Portugal.
    It worked, and the anti-Catholic wars that followed built the British Empire.

    V for Vendetta asks the question: “If your own leaders were behind the worst terrorist attack in history, would you really want to know?”

  14. I was going to opine on the article, but after reading Reverse Engineer’s opening comment up above, I suddenly realized he’d already covered my exact same thoughts almost word for word.

  15. “War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength”. The unemployment rate is going down, the economy is improving, Wall Street is to big to fail. As the collapse accelerates and more and more people “hit the wall”, the violence and chaos will increase dramatically.
    RE is an optimist BTW, when the second Wall Street meltdown arrives it will not be pitchforks but assault rifles descending on Congress.

  16. Well guys, it has been nice to get to know you all.

    The PTB have been looking for an excuse to attack the First Amendment full on.

    A 19 year old punk just handed it to them.

    There have ALWAYS been crazy people, ALWAYS been mass murders, ALWAYS been some nutjob going off and killing.

    Just like drug wars did nothing to stop (human nature) drug addictions, this “war” won’t stop crazy people either.

    You cannot regulate and “law” craziness out of existence. Impossible.

    But, get ready, we will see more of our freedoms disbanded in the attempt to do it.

    In this country, at this point in history, it should be obvious – if “law” actually stopped crime, we would be living in Utopia.

    Well, on a good note, millions of citizens are soon to find employment in the security business.

  17. “This country has not reached the level of control and fear seen in Orwell’s 1984 and V For Vendetta, yet. We are moving relentlessly in that direction.”

    You could have fooled me when you wrote that.

  18. Guy Fawkes was a patsy. So was Percy and Catesbury.

    Control freaks [Kings in this case] have long pulled off false flag attacks to maintain control and to keep their subjects from lynching them.

    Its not so much different today.

    So take comfort in the fact these control freaks [empires as well] all throughout history come to a wonderful and self inflicted end. No mystery as to why empires collapse,,they never should have existed.

  19. ~~ In the wake of the tragic Arizona shooting, Rep. Bob Brady (D-PA) says he plans to introduce a bill criminalizing the use of certain forms of threatening imagery against lawmakers and judges.~~

    But they wont ever make any laws against politicians or divisive pundits use of soaring sophist rhetoric,

  20. The shadowy wall of Platos cave exists right in your home. Except the fire which illuminates it comes from within it and in front of you.

    Its called a TV,

  21. Brooks spent two days deciding whether to use a stick, a cane or a club on Sumner. The choice of instrument used by a gentleman (!) to beat another was dictated by that individual’s standing. A cane was for an inferior in rank, but not so inferior as to merit a club or a stick. He was sending a message with his choice of instrument. Such is the mindset of those on the public stage at the edge of the abyss.

  22. @TeresaE: Fear not for thou shalt not be forgotten!

    Everyone here should stop by SPOKEO.COM, look up your name and copy the URL. In tiny letters at the bottom of the window is “Privacy”. Click it and paste the URL and your email address in the appropriate place. They will send you an OPT OUT email which, when a link is clicked, will take you off there horrendous data base.

    This one is a monster, perfectly predictable, of course (RE:Take note), searcher of public databases (facebook, youtube, public databases of cities, counties (property records et al) and states, anything they can find anywhere it’s possible to look) and puts it all in one place for someone to use to steal anything they want. Just $2.95 a month.

    The Federal Government has or will very likely have exactly such a system now running (or will be in a week) to keep tabs on each and everyone of us. Puke……

    Happy Subservience Day!

  23. I believe 9/11 was the beginning of the 4th Turning. It ushered in the Police State. If thought control is as bad as it gets, we will be lucky. Unfortunately, as conditions worsen, more people will take desparate and crazed actions to seek revenge on a system that oppresses. The words of Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, do not cause violence any more than a gun kills. It is what a person does with the gun or with the words that kill. Both can be used for protection or violence. It is a choice.

  24. It is beyond comprehension how MSM talking head pundits sit in their little studios with a straight face and say that we need more civility and less vitriol in our political discussions and then in the next breath link the shootings to the Tea Party Movement.

    Are they just plain stupid, or is this some sort of plan? By falsely linking the act of a deranged 22 year old nutjob who lived in his parents’ basement and made crazy youtube videos to the Tea Party Movement, they have just added to the incivility and vitriol of politics.

    The agenda of the MSM is as clear as day to me. The Tea Party Movement (a movement of the people) is dangerous to those in power. There are new members of Congress who want to dismantle the existing power structure. This is unacceptable to those in power.

    The neo-Cons used 9/11 as an opportunity to push their agenda forward. It has resulted in 2 worthless wars, thousands dead and maimed, less freedoms, less liberties, less safety.

    The neo-Liberals will attempt to use this shooting to push their agenda of gun control, internet control, greater surveillance, and more laws and regulations.

    Time is running out.

  25. I’ve had to deal with a daughter that had mental health issues almost as bad as this.
    Its not these times, or politics, its a mental health issue. Kids want attention (tattos) and will do whatever it takes to make things go their way. No Conscious or empathy for the human condition, so basically no soul. Liars to the max, no foundations to live by. Amoral.
    Ramp it up and it will get worse.
    Vendetta was a word she loved to use. The only way to get away from it is to GET away from it.
    They do tend to stalk though. Dangerous situation unless we move away from it and realize it for what it is. SICK.

  26. “DP

    You left the barn to post more of your crazy ass conspiracy shit. Get it out of your system because your IP address will be banned by the end of the day.”

    Aw… what the matter? You big baby! You and RubMy1 started this way back when and now The FatAss wants his bully pulpit DP-free. You fucking crack me up … You’re screaming ‘cognitive dissonance’ out of both sides of your mouth.

    Today is the 2059th anniversary of Ceasar… CROSSING THE RUBICON.

    Do some serious reading instead of that hollow ‘4th Turding’ bullshit …
    Read Michael Ruppert’s book instead of that 8th grade Pop-Fiction you are so addicted to.

    Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11.

    Dick Cheney was well aware of the coming Peak Oil crisis at least as early as 1999, and 9/11 provided the pretext for the series of energy wars that Cheney stated, “will not end in our lifetime.

    The war games & terror drills played a critical role in ensuring no Air Force fighter jocks – who had trained their entire lives for this moment – would be able to prevent the attacks from succeeding. These exercises were under Dick Cheney’s management.


    Read all about Dick.
    I know how much you love Dick.

    Smell you later… MORON !

    *Special Class’ has moved to ZH… I’ll see all you ‘special sheep’ over there.

  27. Administrator—-I am putting the finishing touches on my epic magnum opus, “Neoconservatism—The Final Hope For Mankind “, soon to be on bestseller lists worldwide and a shoo-in for Pulitzer Prize winner for literature.

  28. DP—-A random nobody trying to bring meaning to a wasted existence pissed away through cowardice. Time to ban you again, asshole.

  29. Not surprising. Dallas Green, former manager of the Phila Phillies, has always been a straight shooting, no BS person. I’m not surprised his son is also.

    Monday, January 10, 2011

    What a classy, brave and thoughtful individual John Green is – father of the 9-year-old girl murdered by Jared Loughner – Green contradicts the distasteful rush to exploit Saturday’s tragic events as a vehicle through which to eviscerate the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

    Speaking to Fox News, Green labeled Loughner’s rampage a “random act” and said that the death of his daughter should not be exploited to revoke freedoms.

    Speaking on the subject of how travel became a nightmare after 9/11, John Green said, “We don’t need any more restrictions on our society,” as a consequence of the shootings, and said that tragic events such as those that led to the murder of his daughter was the price Americans have to pay for freedom.

  30. “Guarantee Balanced Media Coverage”? WTF does that mean? Does it mean the MSM will stop feeding us only Gooberment Lies and Balance their coverage with say some of John Williams Shadow Stats? Does it men the MSM will actually do some investigative reporting of the FRAUD run by the TBTF Banks?

    This Jackass doesn’t want “balanced” coverage, he wants Orwellian Newspeak. Should be fun when they try to enforce this across the blogosphere.


  31. I’m glad the liberal media is being more civil and has toned down the vitriol.

    Steve Watson
    Monday, Jan 10th, 2011

    How low will some people stoop to play at partisan politics by exploiting the weekend’s tragic events? We’ve already seen the bar set pretty damn low by elements of the media and some public officials, yet its hard to imagine how much further anyone can go than to verbally attack the parents of the slain 9 year old Christina Taylor Green.

    Yet this is exactly what sometime AOL writer Jeanne Sager does in an article published today on parenting blog Cafemom.com.

    “Seeing the couple on Dateline NBC last night, my first inclination was to grit my teeth and ask what kind of parent is ready to go on national TV 24 hours after the loss of their child?” writes Sager.

    “The same type of parents who paraded their child out in a book about babies born on 9/11/01? They don’t deserve to be parents if they’re going to use horrors for their own gains.” she adds.

    Exactly what “gains” are we talking about here Ms Sager? Their beloved child has just been shot dead. What in the world makes you believe they are gaining anything?

    “…watching the Greens so exacting as they spoke of their daughter, so unfeeling. What, you couldn’t even summon a tear for your little girl? Everywhere I look, they’re talking to the media. To Fox News. To USA Today.” the disgusting slop continues.

    Obviously Sager missed the entirety of John Green’s appearance on Fox News, in which he defiantly fought back the tears to convey the message that this awful but completely isolated and random event should not be exploited to revoke the core freedoms protected under the first and second amendments.

    “We don’t need any more restrictions on our society,” Mr Green said, adding that sometimes our continued freedom comes at an awful cost.

    While Sager stops her attack short and admits it is “completely unfair” and that she “feels sorry” for the family, it doesn’t prevent her from ending the piece with the question “Did you find yourself wondering why the Greens didn’t get off TV?”

    The Greens are not fitting neatly into the script for those so called “liberals” that are happy to exploit the cold blooded murder of a child for political grist.

    Presumably, Sager and her ilk would have no qualms with the TV appearances of the Greens should they have demanded the immediate passage of laws to make perceived threats a federal crime or to introduce hastily thrown together gun control bills.

    These leftist vultures are the equivalent of the hordes of rightist neo-con hacks that professed hatred (yes, actual hatred) for the 9/11 victims’ families who opposed the subsequent relentless slaughter of thousands more innocent people half a world away in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The fact that their despicable smear machine has already ground to a halt in the wake of the revelation that gunman Jared Lee Loughner was a left-wing, pot-smoking liberal, rather than a flag waving tea party Sarah Palin supporter, is one blessing that the still sane can count.

    Perhaps the only other is that in amongst a barrage of shameless partisan exploitation of another tragic event, Americans have been reminded that in the face of danger and darkness, there are still those who believe in preserving the values the nation was founded on, rather than tearing them apart.

  32. The attack on Giffords and the other victims has led to some calls for stricter regulation of firearms.

    For example, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, a New York Democrat, will reportedly announce legislation to limit high-capacity magazine clips.

    McCarthy’s husband was killed and her son was severely wounded by a gunman in a mass shooting aboard a Long Island Railroad train in 1993, inspiring her to run for Congress as a gun-control advocate.

  33. “There is one thing I’m sure about. This will not result in more civil discourse. Opposing ideologies will become further entrenched in their positions.”
    That’s already happened to me. After reading the shit that lefties are spewing my hatred for them has only increased exponentially. Deep seated hatred pouring out from every cell of my body. There is no more discourse to be had, only despicable loathing for these shithole spineless vermin.

    Jim, Jared Loughner is no Guy Fawkes. We’ll have to wait another day for the tipping point. Maybe you can be our Guy Fawkes?
    I wouldn’t worry about the nutsacks calling for more gun control. Tragic as it is, this story will be a non-story within a few weeks. For all we know large sections of the Gulf of Mexico may be dead. Pfffft! Next story please!

    1. Stuck

      I did not say or infer that Jared Loughner is Guy Fawkes.

      I see Jared Loughner as the person who did something stupid (the shooting of the 10 year old girl with the Guy Fawkes mask) and provoked a more extreme response from both sides.

      I see it happening before our very eyes.

  34. I’m surprised by which websites published this article. I thought Zero Hedge would surely post it, but they didn’t. It seems perfect for their audience.

    I thought Financial Sense wouldn’t publish it because they are a financial site, but they did and it is on the most read list.

  35. Yves Smith from Naked Capitalism with a totally warped view of the murders. She wants to desperately blame someone other than the shooter. This is a such a liberal government control viewpoint.

    Sunday, January 9, 2011
    Broader Implications of Giffords Attack

    The assassination attempt on Gabrielle Giffords and shooting and deaths of bystanders is not merely a tragedy. The targeting of a political figure is intended to stifle opposition. Anyone thinking of running for office or working for a government official will have to now consider personal risk.

    Another aspect that is troubling is the reaction of some members of the right wing. YouTube videos prepared by the shooter John Loughner have vague ramblings and enough paranoid-sounding “they are watching” references to suggest that he was disturbed. Some articles linking to the videos have comments at the end arguing, in effect, that because Loughenr was off beam, by implication no one is really accountable. For instance,

    A looney. Sad when people cannot express their ideas and discuss anything rationally, however you will always have people like this in any society (left right and center) regardless of what precautions you take.

    Yet news reports as of this AM indicate that Loughner did not act alone, which suggest that various exhortations against Gifffords had an impact.

    There have also been calls to cool heated violent political rhetoric, as well as a postponement of upcoming Congressional vote to repeal the Obama health care plan (Giffords’ support of the bill was a proximate cause of opposition to her).

    It is hard to know what to say about this event except to express outrage and extend sympathy to those who have suffered from this event. What do you see as the broader ramifications of this attack?

  36. OK Jim.

    If llpoh, Smokey, or someone else says that I’m “full of shit” just one more time .. then I can assure you, I will be the NEXT person that does “something stupid”. I guran-fucken-tee it. I have a Guy Fawkes mask and I know where they live.

  37. I havent seen definitive proof where the Safeway killer was active in any political group yet both main parties are claiming he is one of the other parties members.

    Yet another reason I dont want anything to do with either one.

  38. “What do you see as the broader ramifications of this attack?” — Yves Smith


  39. If llpoh, Smokey, or someone else says that I’m “full of shit” just one more time . -SiNJa

    If I were you I would go Neanderthal on them out of Africa half breed monkey asses

  40. Its Ms Smith. Yves Smith is female, real name Susan Weber.

    I fail to see what is wrong with asking this question. Clearly there will be blowback resulting from this, whether it comes in the form of restrictions on free speech or gun control can’t be predicted for sure, but something will likely come of this. You can have sorrow for the victims here and still consider implications beyond imprisoning or executing the shooter Stuck.


  41. How about we gather the 4,500 members of TBP for a little march on Washington?


    I think I know what the next product for sale on TBP store of doom will be.

  42. When the banksters pretty much own both political parties is their really such a thing as liberal or conservative government?

    The way I see it entitlements create deficits and so does big defense spending. Debt debt debt. The difference being one creates things that kill and the other purchases food that kills while both lavish welfare on their masters,

  43. I think I know what the next product for sale on TBP store of doom will be. -Admin

    Umm vinegar to apply to pepper spray burns?

  44. Admin et al

    In retrospect, would Joe Stack be a better candidate for Guy Fawkes? He was intelligent, thoughtful, and had a clearly reasoned explanation for his actions. He also chose a target (the IRS) that was reasonable considering his manifesto…

  45. Yves Smith had published a couple of my articles on her site. Her readers were outraged by my articles. As is my motto, I responded to every slur hurled my way. It got quite testy and nasty. The commentors complained to Yves that I wasn’t being civil.

    I just tried to post a comment on her article and it appears she has a pulled a David Pierre on me. My IP address is banned.

    So much for free speech in the liberal media.

  46. Stuck—-When you joined forces with the Administrator on the war-for-oil fiction, you asked for it. You and I are arch enemies from here on. No redemption for you. UNLESS, you happen to reconsider your stance on that issue, in which case I MIGHT have mercy on you.

  47. Kill Bill—Is there a chance that perhaps you were banned because you are a worthless piece of shit and added nothing to their sites? Not that I’m suggesting that, of course.

  48. Somehow a character from The Muensters trying to intimidate someone into changing their view, for mercy sake, is hilarious,

    You funny Smokey,

  49. Kill Bill—Is there a chance that perhaps you were banned because you are a worthless piece of shit and added nothing to their sites?

    The Amazing Kreskin and his tiny crystal balls are wrong once again.


  50. Interesting comment on ZH

    by philgramm
    on Mon, 01/10/2011 – 16:27

    This Arizona shooting has been dominating the news. It made me think about what our MSM highlights as threats to our sovereignty as a nation. It seems to me that when we have a democratic president in power the MSM highlights threats from within (Waco, Ok. City, Arizona) and when we have repub president they highlight threats from without (Saddam, Osama, Iran etc). Every four or eight years these two parties pass the baton to each other. Rinse and repeat. This way the war of mind control continues unassailed.

  51. High Plains Drifter on ZH would fit in nicely on our site:

    by High Plains Drifter
    on Mon, 01/10/2011 – 16:29

    We need two years of anarchy to get things settled out again. The old United States is dead. It has been for a long time. We have been foolish to think it was still here, the one we grew up with, is finished and will never return , at least for the near future. What has been done has been done. It is our fault. It the fault of our parents and their parents before them etc. and nothing but nothing can be done now, to ever change that. It is over my friends. Now we must fight to take back what is ours by right and this will not be easy. I wish I could come up with a better thesis on it, but that is my theory as best as I can say it in 2011. The only other action that might have success is a military coupe by military people who love their country and want it returned to its rightful owners. Other than that, we are now too ethnically diverse to move as one in any revolutionary activities. It will boil down to race and racial and tribal motivations. Mark my words on that. Again, diversity never creates strength, only weakness and chaos. It was designed to fail and in a world of no food and no water and no law to speak of, race will be the common denominator just like it is in the big house. In the ebb and flow of life in this new world, jewish financial thieves will never be seen or heard of , by most , but in our day to day lives , trying to survive, it will be kill or be killed, eat or be eaten. Sad commentary, I know, but I believe every word of it.

    by High Plains Drifter
    on Mon, 01/10/2011 – 16:47

    Are Houston police using aerial drones yes or no? That is the question. Does such activity cause you to feel safer? There they are taking the money and using the money to buy toys and being taught how to use the toys against the people. I see it happening and I see the end game and it is unconstitutional bullshit as far as I am concerned. I don’t know about you, but that god damn piece of paper collecting dust in the Smithstonian means something. In order for it to live, we must make it live. We make it live by living by its words , word for word. God gave me rights. These men that lived over 200 years ago tried to give us a framework of a democratic republic. My fathers fell asleep on the walls surrounding the city and the enemy creeped in and is now destroying the land of my fathers. This cannot stand and it will not stand.

  52. Ms Cleo was a male vampire bat named Smokey.

    Actually it was the previous admin that asked for the report from the Bush created DHS titled
    The “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” document was produced during the Bush administration, as a quick check of the PDF document’s properties reveals. It was created on January 23, 2007.

    So while I agree somewhat with philgramms perception about which party sees more threats within and which sees more threats without, the over generalization in his comment is apparent.

  53. Just for the record, writers who are using the description of Jared Loughner as a “liberal, left-wing pothead” are likely using the words of a woman who was a former high school classmate who last saw Loughner in 2007. There may be some credibility lent to her words because she actually knew Loughner, but then again, it may also be just her opinion.

    Whoever interviewed the woman certainly didn’t dig any deeper (eg. How do you know he’s a liberal?), because I haven’t read anything which goes beyond that characterization.

  54. Haven’t seen the movie. Now I want to. Good read. I agree with you, Wynter, that the turning started with 9/11. The War on Terrorism started soon thereafter, then Anthrax and the DC sniper guy… The many failed bombings… The high profile mass murder/suicides. Our society is tearing itself apart, building up to a conclusion like a good movie. Or a bad movie, as is the case.

    A civil war between the haves and the havenots is one route, the total police state is another. RE’s Mad max is one, LLPOH’s third world shithole is another. All out Euro style Socialism is possible, as is Bizzaro japan style slow motion deflation death spiral. Same with hyperinflation. There are a great many ways this turning can go still, but not many of them are pretty.

    Admin, its too bad about Naked Capitalism, good site, but they do seem a bit uptight. Maybe Yves will let you back on if you promise to call people names without swearing.

  55. Punk

    Asking Admin to stop calling people names without swearing is akin to asking all dogs and cats to start loving each other. Ain’t gonna happen. When someone really gets under his skin, he goes off like a Roman candle. Chalk it up to an Irish temper or whatever. He does not suffer fools lightly. And I’ll bet he could care less than Yves blocked him from the site.

    1. Punk & SSS

      I really enjoyed the “debates” on Naked Capitalism. They were minor skirmishes compared to our daily give and take on TBP. I don’t even think I swore at those pricks. They were deeply offended when I called them liberals and socialists. They became outraged when I called their savior Krugman a lying liberal left wing ideologue. I’ll survive not being on Naked Capitalism. Zero Hedge does wonders for my articles. When they pick one up, it immediately gets picked up by 50 other major sites. I love those guys.

  56. Found this over at NaturalNews.com and thought the Health Ranger Mike Adam’s poses a very logical question:

    “Why are people so outraged when citizens commit acts of violence against a government official while relatively few people seem to care when the government commits acts of violence against the People?” (taken from below)

    Monday, January 10, 2011 10:38

    Mike Adams
    Natural News

    In the aftermath of the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson yesterday, the mainstream media is now desperately trying to blame the attack on “anti-government” sentiment. USA Today ran a tabloid journalism piece that selectively cherry-picked certain phrases used by Jared Lee Loughner in order to create the impression that he was some sort of anti-government nut. Loughner was actually a mentally deranged individual who ranted about everything from “grammar” to imaginary birds (www.naturalnews.com/030953_G…). His state of mind, as evidenced from his YouTube posts, seems incapable of holding any traditionally-recognized political philosophy.

    The Associated Press, meanwhile, actually blamed the “political climate” for the shooting, saying, “The nation’s caustic political climate has become a suspect of sorts in the rampage that left six dead and a lawmaker critically injured in Arizona.” The implication from these kinds of stories is that if you criticize the government, you therefore promote violence.

    That is, of course, a silly idea, especially considering the fact that the government nearly always uses the threat of violence against its own citizens to get what it wants. To use the example of Obamacare, the law itself says that if citizens don’t buy health insurance, the U.S. government will essentially extract a large sum of money from you by force through the use of IRS agents and, if necessary, the government seizure of your assets.

    On the health care front, remember it was the U.S. government that committed medical violence against children by forcing teens with cancer to undergo chemotherapy against their will (www.naturalnews.com/019617.html). Various local governments also routinely threaten vegan parents with having their children taken away by Child Protective Services if they don’t start feeding their children processed factory foods such as hamburgers.

    The FDA, for its part, routinely sends extremely threatening letters to natural product companies (cherry growers, walnut growers, green tea importers, etc.) that contain extremely threatening language that imply company executives will be “criminally prosecuted” by the FDA, or have their assets seized, or even have their businesses shut down if they don’t agree to admit to crimes they never even committed (selling “unapproved drugs” which are really just cherries). (www.naturalnews.com/019366.html)

    No one is surprised when the government uses the threat of violence to get what it wants these days. Today, the government actually commits felony crimes against the American people on a daily basis! It’s called the “enhanced pat-down” by the TSA. If you did the exact same thing to another person at your office, you would be arrested as a “violent criminal” and charged with sexual assault.

    The FDA, too, has a long history of armed raids against innocents (www.naturalnews.com/021791.html) who were merely trying to help others improve their health with the power of nutritional supplements. These raids are always conducted with the use of firearms.

    The FDA even sent agents into Ecuador last year to illegally kidnap Greg Caton (www.naturalnews.com/027750_G…) and fly him out of the country, in complete violation of international law. This, too, was conducted with the use of multiple armed agents wielding firearms.

    More recently, the U.S. government led an armed raid on a Venice, California food cooperative selling raw milk (www.naturalnews.com/030136_R…).

    When the government commits acts of violence, it’s okay?

    There are many other examples of similar acts of violence by the government committed against the People of America, but it all brings me to this important question: Why are people so outraged when citizens commit acts of violence against a government official while relatively few people seem to care when the government commits acts of violence against the People?

    The outrage expressed in the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords is entirely justified, as violence is never the answer to disputes. Yet shouldn’t we all be similarly outraged when the government uses violence or the threat of violence to achieve its own political aims with the People

  57. I DON’T see an organized revolution on America’s horizon à la ‘V for Vendetta’ because Americans have become too ideologically incoherent, self-centered, soft & politically divided to pull-off something like that. You’d need to tie a pole to each Americans head with an iPod & a Big Mac dangling from a string in front of them just to get them to advance anywhere. No my friend, the American public will simply continue to react in the same fashion it always has, especially when Uncle Samuel starts waving the stars & stripes with calls for ‘patriotism’: they’ll bend over even lower and spread those morbidly obese American ass cheeks even WIDER. Goldman Sachs doesn’t even need to lube America up anymore. Ouch.

    What I DO see on the other hand is a string of poor bastards like Jared Loughner going quietly meshuggah on an individual basis and (with perhaps the support of a few accomplices at times) suddenly pulling out weapons in order to blow-away politicians, judges, banksters and other random assorted douchebags as they get the chance.

    To those lunatics who might be contemplating commiting such heinous crimes against public & political figures I have but TWO words: HAPPY HUNTING!

  58. @Mike Litoris: First of all, great screen name! The ever elusive clitoris! Ahh…South Park!

    Anyways, unless a military coup transpires then I agree with you, that it will not be a coherent revolution. What we can expect to see is a loose association of “revolters” using social media, the postal service, and cb radio to stay in touch. These groups will not have a leader persay, similar to “sleeper cells” that other freedom fighters use.

  59. Smokey, I have to disagree with that call, the Naked Capitalism link is too valuable to scrub from this site. Regardless of the unhinged political views of Yves Smith, her coverage of the ongoing foreclosure fraud and the lawlessness of the TBTF banks is must read material, especially for those of us looking for the “trigger” event that will begin the second Wall Street meltdown. The realization by the “masses” that mortgage backed securities are in fact backed by nothing as the paperwork and title transfers are irreparably borked is one on my watch list.

  60. @Plato_Plubius: Thanks for catching my screen name! I’m trying to leave behind my days of posting under Ben Dover & Seymour Butt.

    An internal military coup is unrealistic because the American military -unlike say Argentina’s, for example- has no prior experience in organizing & pulling one off. Plus it would inevitably lead to military in-fighting with those remaining forces still loyal to Halliburton ..er.. I meant our constitution.

    And as all-powerful as the internet may appear to be, Facebook hasn’t toppled any national governments. Although I WILL be cautious here and add YET to that last sentence, just in case.
    After all, my heroe Julian Assange is STILL out on bail.

    “Remember. remember,
    when you vote in November,
    the Monsanto and Goldman Sachs plot,
    I can see no good reason,
    why our TWO PARTY treason,
    should ever ..be ..forgot”


  61. “Man that Mike Litoris gravatar with all those pointy sharp edges could put a guys eye out”

    I like it because it seems to say, “Merry Christmas” while at the same time expressing my desire to poke people’s eyes out. Specially if they work at Goldman Sachs.


  62. Great article – you have guts….I have some thoughts about the situation but I’m afraid to post anywhere else. I will here and if I’m called a heretic so be it.

    1. Why does no one in media call him a “terrorist”? If he was islam extremist and did what he di, he would be a terrorist (and I’m certain considered sane)? Jared did say it would be ad hominem (if you watch his video).

    2. Of course I don’t condone his violence, I don’t think anyone can, but why do I still have some sympathy for this loon. Maybe I’m a bit naive in looking at his intentions….but I think he was trying to do something “noble” for America and yes he was totally misguided in the violent behavior. My view, I think he was trying to hold government to account for not governing by the constitution (and for supporting a corrupt fiat system). He repeats this several times in his video. I’m pretty sure he was expecting to be shot and become the martyr. And that this would be catalyst for america to stand up and reclaim their civil and constitutional right and reform the monetary policy.

    3. I’m certain he didn’t have issue with just Gifford aside that she was illiterate (meaning she did not understand and follow the constitution). Put differently, if a Republican held that congress seat or if Jared was living in a different congressional district he would have taken the same action on any “illiterate” politician.

    If I was a new graduate, I’d feel like I have no future in america, feel completely alienated by the government (who are supporting the banker and their profits and could care less about me) and frankly feel betrayed by Obama who promised “change” and is doing more of the same.

    I truly believe this situation will get worse (more shootings, mailbombs, protests)
    – 1 in 5 people are underemployed
    – 1 in 10 are unemployed
    – a year of new graduates are entering a dead job market.
    – and government can’t get past their bipartisan rhetoric and do what is the interest of its citizens

    Unemployed people have too much time and either play video games, watch NFL or explore some interesting sites on the internet. And unemployed lunatics are probably scarier.

  63. Admin et al

    Let me run by you a case in point of an average Joe squeezed by the Federal Government.

    I have a friend who is 60, a security guard, makes $10.50 an hour, no benefits, no health insurance, no pension, no paid vacations. He grosses $21K per year. Yes, he could be considered an “underachiever”. He is unmarried, no drugs, no alcohol, very few possessions. No debt.

    He lives in the metro Boston area (very high cost of living), and had refused to take any government hand-outs. He is white, has never taken unemployment and never been on worker’s compensation. He hates doctors, has never been seriously ill, and avoids the hospital.

    He lives where he can see people of color who know how to work the system. They know how to get the W.I.C. subsidies, section 8 housing, food stamps, and whatever other monies they can get from the state. He sees them driving their BMW’s, Lexus’, Mercedes, Cadillacs, etc.

    The State Dept of Revenue last year sent him letters. He had not filed his taxes for 8 years (although he did have withholding – it wasn’t enough). He is not too savvy and did not fight them when they told him he had to pay them $3,300 in total. He talked them down to only taking $150 a month from his salary.

    Because he could no longer get by without the $150, I convinced him to apply for food stamps. He didn’t want to, but I convinced him, since everyone “poor” in this area is working the system, and he literally would not be able to get by without it. The state gave him $135 a month. He now nets $15 less a month, but the state must take a larger net loss to have to pay for a program that gives him back $135 so he can pay $150 in taxes.

    Now this week the Federal Government has sent him letters telling him that, with penalties and interest, he owes them $11,000. This is obviously an unreasonably high concocted figure.

    Here is the thing. This guy is well aware, through the internet and talk radio, how the rich are gaming the system and robbing us blind. He is aware Geithner did not pay some taxes, yet still got his post. He is aware of the bank bailouts and the banker bonuses.

    I can see how some people will start to snap now that the government is coming down on them like a ton of bricks. The IRS is choosing to harass and intimidate the people who are not sophisticated and don’t know how to work the system.

    This guy is telling me how he cannot believe the price increases he is seeing at the supermarkets, and how he is having trouble making ends meet again. The rise in the price of gas is hurting him. He is now a month behind in his rent.

    The unmitigated gall of the Federal Government to step on the little people while ignoring the wholesale theft by Wall Street and the Oligarchs is infuriating.

    Frankly, I am surprised more people aren’t snapping and engaging in violent civil unrest.

    1. Yojimbo

      The IRS are thugs. They are incompetent thugs, which is a dangerous combination. If he doesn’t pay, they will become more threatening. The penalties and interest accumulate at an astounding rate. They will show up and take his car and anything else of value he owns. The pressure is building in this country towards a large scale blow off. It is surely coming.

  64. Yves Smith “unhinged”? Good grief, she basically just writes legal analysis in her posting. I can see charaterizing JimQ as “unhinged” or KD or Kunstler, but Susan’s stuff is plain vanilla.


  65. @Yojimbo: I truly feel for your 60 year old friend. As Gerald Celente always repeats; when people lose everything and have nothing left to lose; THEY LOSE IT!

    That makes LOSING IT the one and only real “change we can believe in” delivered by this POS administration.

  66. Well said Yojimbo! I am sure your friend is not an isolated case. Here in the state of California if you apply for food stamps or medi cal (medicaid) any automobile registered in your name (even if it is on non op) is used as an asset against you and factored into the equation which usually means you would get less assistance. Basically what it has done has encouraged people to lease their cars because the State of California sees that as a liability and not an asset. Go figure!

  67. Why does no one in media call him a “terrorist”? If he was islam extremist and did what he di, he would be a terrorist (and I’m certain considered sane)? Jared did say it would be ad hominem (if you watch his video

    They found some letters and an envelope, I gather, in a safe at his parents house where he wrote “He planned ahead” “My assassination” “Gifford” and apparently signed it ‘Loughner”

    I guess we will find out more later what was in that envelope during the trial phase and if the attempted assassination was meant to instill terror in the public or if he just had it in for Giffords for reasons yet unknown.

  68. all I keep thinking is ‘mind control’,it just seems weird to me that this has become so frequent,I mean people just ‘loosing it ‘ .-oladyinashu

    Loughner went to one of Giffords congress on a corner gatherings sometime before august of 2007. Giffords office had sent him a thank you not on congressional letterhead for attending one in Foothills Mall in Tuscon. Perhaps he had been planning this for years.

  69. Jojimbo, very good post…
    I will forward it to my friends

    this is the world as we did it.
    to fuck others before others fuck you

  70. Before you follow Hollywood, up the garden path, you should be aware that Guy Fawkes (aka Guido Fawkes, also spelt Faulkes) was a marrano Spanish (out of Portuguese) jewish convert to catholicism, via the jewish controlled Jesuit order.

    It was a classic, false flag operation, by cryptojews (read 9/11). Lord Monteagle (read Goldberg – golden eagle, Mont=Berg) aka William Parker, of obvious jewish ancestry (his closest friends included Henry Garnet , a red jewellery item like Gold, Diamond & Silver, another Jesuit cryptojew), was forewarned to stay away on the planned day of bombing of the English Houses of Parliament, in exactly the same way in which many Isrealis/jews were advised to stay away from the WTC on 9/11, by the Isreali owned Odigo (Hebrew language) messaging service, just hours before the 9/11 attack took place.

    Original Mossad Motto: “By way of deception, we shall make war.” (on gentiles)


  71. Jeff said — “Of course I don’t condone his violence, I don’t think anyone can, but why do I still have some sympathy for this loon.”
    How can you have ANY sympathy for a guy who killed a 9 year old girl? Weird ….

    HOWEVER, your comment made me think of a “what if” scenario.

    What if Loughner shot ONLY Giffords? How would TBPers feel then? She does not believe in anything most of us do. And there are many calls here to hang banksters and pols.

    Maybe some would condemn the violence … but would you be AS outraged if only Gifford were shot? Would you say the right thing but inwardly think, “Great. Only 534 more to go!” ?

    1. Stuck

      I don’t believe anyone deserves to be murdered in cold blood, no matter what their beliefs. A gun should only be used in self defense.

  72. @Anon

    Thanks for that link. Very interesting story! Just added it to my favorites. I recently just heard about TOR from a friend. No wonder the governments of the world want to restrict access to the internet; necessity breeds ingenuity and it seems those once called nerds, now hackers, are fighting the battle against oppressive censorship with their expertise! Good stuff!

  73. I’ve had dealings with the IRS long ago. They eat shit. That’s why you have some fucker fly a plane into their building. And I do not wish violence against any American. But if a terrorist attack was imminent, and someone held a gun to my head forcing me to prioritize the top five government facilities that were to be blown to smithereens, I’d put the IRS national headquarters at slots one, two, and three.

  74. I am gratified to see my original response to this has received a new personal record for me of 52 Thumbs Up 🙂 Of course still a ways to go to match Stucky’s triple digit response a while back, but what makes this one really good is the 2 Stooges who tried to Napalm it have been completely BOMBED with Thumbs Down.

    This goes to prove quite a few things, the most important one being that the vast majority of TBP Members prefer good literate analysis of the issues we discuss here to the kind of juvenile trash that comes off the keyboards of Smokey and LLPOH. It also shows that TBPers have the attention span necessary to read a post longer than a paragraph in length.

    As I tried to inform LLPOH in another thread here, you gain nothing by pitching Napalm, and in the end if you continue to do it you look like a juvenile imbecile. Thanks to the literate readers of TBP, this principle has now been proven.

    Thumbs Up to TBP!


  75. StuckinNJ: Do you feel the same sympathy for all the little girls and children that have and are being killed by our troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan? Have you ever wondered why we are at war with an ism rather than with the countries of Iraq, Afpghanistan, and Pakistan themselves? Ofcourse if we were not under mind control we would realize that we are at war with Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan and their people; and not an ism. An ism is fictional. Get real Stuck. This guy has more balls than you; he walks his talk. You only complain and nothing changes. I can’t get over how people do everything to avoid real dialogue; especially on subjects like this.

  76. Western New York Congresswoman Louise Slaughter offered her first reaction to the tragic shootings in Tucson, Arizona Monday afternoon.
    “I think it is awful. I don’t want guns on the floor of the House,” said Slaughter.

    Slaughter places some of the blame on the airwaves and Federal Communications Commission.

    Congress woman Slaughter met with reporters at her District office in Rochester. Buffalo reporters were able to listen on a conference call.

    Slaughter is concerned that the national airwaves could be fueling the fire with unstable citizens.

    “Frankly what I would like to see if we can all get together on both sides of the isle. Democrats and republicans to and really talk about what we can do to cool down the country. Part of it has to be what they are hearing over the airwaves,” said Slaughter.

    Slaughter said she needs to conduct a review of the FCC rules in light of what she has heard in some past broadcasts.

    “As citizens of the United States and part owner, as you all our of those of those airwaves, I really resent the fact that and have for some time that people aren’t always told the truth,” noted Slaughter.

  77. “I think it is awful. I don’t want guns on the floor of the House,” said Slaughter.”

    I’m surprised to hear that. What do Murder and Mayhem have to say about it?

  78. “Do you feel the same sympathy for all the little girls and children that have and are being killed by our troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan?” — Thunderbird

    Evidently you have never seen the fireworks between Jim and I regarding dead Muslim babies. The answer is, yes, I do. So, what;s your point?

    As far as me only complaining — you don’t know jack shit about me. I take action whenever I can in whatever form I can. Please try to stick to what you know, tough internet guy.

  79. Check this out….Mockingturd Shill Glen Beck is using the Tucson Killings as an excuse to continue demonizing 9-11 “truthers” as mental patients.

    “I think some of those people are nuts. I think some
    of these people… (disingenuous, fake pause)…
    are dangerous.”

    (here is the link to the 1 minute video, if you scroll down on the link there is another 3 minute video where he uses the term “truther” when referencing the shooter.

  80. The quote about the people fearing the government/the government fearing the people is from Thomas Jefferson. And he was of course correct. But things have been turned upside down. The servant has usurped power and become the master.

    Today when the pundits talk of “homeland” or “national” security, they are not talking about protection of the common man; rather, they speak of the security of the ruling class.

    That ruling class really has little to fear at his point from the subjects over whom they rule. It’s not that we lack the means to resist–simply the will. We have been propagandized to the point that we (generally speaking) actually believe that any meaningful dissent or active resistance to the crimes of the ruling class is treasonous. Even so, the elite take no chances. They are well protected in their gated communities and workplaces, replete with heavily-armed guards paid for with money looted from our very pockets. Moreover, their military and militarized police forces, backed by compliant judges and courts, hold the sword of violence over our heads. The law is perverted to serve injustice.

    But there are more of us than there are of them, and their greatest fear is that we cease being afraid of them. That we cease to be their eyes and ears, hands and feet, doing their dirty work in the boondocks and backwaters of the provinces. If you serve them in exchange for their ill-gotten mammon, stop. Without servants in the provinces, they cannot oppress.

    Withdraw your consent from this organized criminal enterprise and dare to be free men and women. Your children and grandchildren will thank you.


  81. Verily, voracious villains vulgarly violate financial virtues & values, visiting violence against the virtuous whom vigilantly & vehemently vote to veto such vicious acts of virulent economic vice.

  82. StuckinNJ: I have seen a lot of injustice and shit happen in my lifetime. I see people complain about their petty inconveniences and totally deny the serious injustices that are taking this country to hell because these injustices don’t yet affect them.

    Now I see the spin over this tragedy that happened in Tucson with full blame going toward the mental problems this kid had that drove him to commit this crime. We as a country are not questioning ourselves and our sick society for contributing to this tragedy. How many young males to you think we have in our society that are in the same mentality this guy is in? Mental illness is a cronic condition of millions in this country, and society just turns its head until it affects them directly; then the howls come out about injustice against them when they are thrown in the midst of it. I have worked with mental illness in people directly as a volunteer for a number of years and I know first hand how mental illness is ignored by the public & courts, and denied treatment.

    We have to look at our national community as one people with many common and uncommon interests. This means we have to take responsibility individually and collectively to solve our cronic problems; such as mental illness. The media having full access to the life of this dude has come to the conclusion that the signs of mental illness was very evident from the testimony of all that knew him. Yet what was done to help him? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. So collectively the community he lives in holds responsibility along with him. We claim to be a good people and yet we are a people full of strife and contention thinking we can go along our way in our communities ignoring all the mental illness and disfunctional people that surround us thinking we can make all sorts of laws that will make the problems go away. We make laws so we do not have to take responsibility to do something for the general welfare of the community.

    This little girl that was killed because she happened to be there is a tragedy in itself. Such a young life with so much promise of a fulfilling life gone in an instant makes me sick to think about. I do not think there are accidents in life. Events and circumstances bring people together. This shooting was not an accident, however, the media wants to spin it that mental illness caused it. I don’t belive it. What caused the mental illness? Was it all the demented websites and violent fantasy content that goes on in vitual cyberspace? It could not be a idle mind as it was apparently filled with all this cyber content.

    Anyway, I appreciate your defense on my comment regarding the questioning of your sincereity on the death of this little girl. Please accept my apology. You are right, I don’t know you other than from your comments on this blog. One thing I am finding out is you appear to be sincere in your comments.

  83. It strikes me, american (both on the right and left) asking their government to treat them better through (lower taxes or improved wages for food etc) is not that much different from peasants asking the English monarchy for (lower taxes and cheaper food etc). Isn’t this the system that the founders rebelled from?

    The similarities of the current american democracy to a monarchy are shocking (aside from the exception of some additional constitutional freedoms). We have a democratically elected government that largely serves those who did not elect them. Take a look at legislation that has been past (both under Bush and Obama) and who does it benefit.
    – Health Care – benefits pharma/insurance largely
    – Patriot Act/Mid East Wars – Security/Defence Industry

  84. Check out this Yahoo headline:

    “Police find bag holding ammo in Ariz. shooting”


    This has me infuriated! We need to pass a law restricting the use of bags! I don’t just mean plastic bags like is being done in Europe and now here; but ALL BAGS!
    Bean bags! punching bags, even garbage bags! We can never know if they might be used to hold ammunition that might be used to attempt and assassinate our elected officials! Better safe than sorry! Let’s just eliminate them all, yes even those pesky ol’ “bag ladies”! Just toss them into the FEMA camps with the immigrants waiting to be deported and of course take their bags from them!!!!!

  85. Don’t forget that the number of crazies increase as the cube of the population. Double the population and that wins you 8 times as many nut jobs. Most of them used to die off young due to the rather inflexible Darwinian nature of the what the world used to apply to everything living on the face of the earth.

    We’ve changed that now – the nut jobs are considered “handicapped” and every effort is made by both individuals and the State to “fix” them. Hence more mixing with the general population and less control exercised over their behavior.

    No easy “moral” way out.

  86. There are the used and the users. What users want? Art, labour, entertainment, organization, worship, etc. Why? because they lack skill, strength, personality, man power, or true popularity. They also lack the determination to create their own worth. We are indeed governed by our inferiors and they’re worth is a mere illusion. In fact you may find the used are examples of what users dream to be. it is truly a shame that our world as we know it has been shaped by an insecurity complex. All that we ask as animals on this planet as that our fellow inhabitants or in this case rulers prove to us how they have become to be worth more than the used. Why wont they have this conversation? I think its a case of THE USED DONT WANT TO FIGHT THEY WANT TO CREATE AND USERS DONT WANT TO TO CREATE THEY WANT TO USE. which begs the question…WHO IS INFERIOR?

  87. I only just discovered your website through a video tweeted by Lynn Chase, with a video at the side on YouTube which fascinated me… and then to the website, and then to this blog…

    All are little gems… I remember thinking and trying to talk to the people who watched that movie with me… they liked the movie, but didn’t care to discuss the relevance (couple years ago).


  88. Remember Remember the 5th of November…

    Look at what Anonymous has posted on youtube about the 5th of November 2011 and FACEBOOK (2 mnute video)

  89. RE says: “It also shows that TBPers have the attention span necessary to read a post longer than a paragraph in length.”

    Actually I rather like posts longer than one paragraph. And you have always been good at shoving them out, don’t know how you have the time to do that, except sheer boredom in that little cabin of yours in bumfuck Alaska. Your opening comment was good, and glad to see the naysayers get shot down in flames. 😉

    I read here all the time, but have never bothered posting since he changed from the old site to this one. I’ll be sticking to that M.O for the most part. But keep spitting them out, I’ll keep reading and greening ya.

    BTW: the whole article wasa good, and I saw the movie when it first was available on DVD. Still have it, and think its time to stick it in the tower and watch it again, one day this week after work.

  90. Hmmmm? How did my WIle E. Coyote avatar show up here? I do not recall ever registering to this new site format! Automatic transfer from the old site?

    THings that make you go HMMMMMM! ;-0

  91. Damn – I sure miss Smokey. He has a way with words. Smokey – get your sorry ass back here.

    cbxer55 – RE has vacated the premises for the most part. Seems that Admin was supposed to kiss his ass as well as provide a free forum for all of RE’s rants. Admin just couldn’t bring himself to pucker. Imagine that.

  92. LLPOH – RE has posted more than once just today. I do not really call that vacating the premises. But he also has his own site, where he is free to post anything he wants. I used to go there regularly, but damn, its hard to keep up with him. On his site he posts so many long-winded articles, one could spend all day reading them.

    I had to step away from that. I got a life besides these here interwebs. Apparently he does not.


  93. cbexer55 – I haven’t seen him post today. The dates on a lot of these posts are messed up. This article is almost entirely old posts that have been re-dated today. You may be right but I think he has largely abandoned posting here and last I have seen he is posting one line comments under “anonymous”. And you are right, writing his rants seems to be hos only life.

    1. I moved the article from January to August and WP automatically re-dates the old comments. RE no longer posts or comments on TBP. Sigh.

  94. You may have missed the best quote of all from V: “People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”


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