My daughter works at S.B. and we’ve talked about this. She’s not going to do this.
But me being the asshole that I am will mark all of my cups #whitelivesmatter then leave them for other customers to see.
Billy
March 20, 2015 11:25 pm
It’s been a very long time since I’ve been to a Starbucks… frankly, their coffee isn’t that good for what they charge for it.
I can make as good, or better, than they can every morning.
But, if I WERE to go to a Starbucks to get ripped off for a cup of overpriced coffee, the absolute LAST thing I want is some coffee monkey trying to engage me in a political argument about race…
Motherfucker, I haven’t had my COFFEE YET. You fuck with me before coffee, I’ll rip your goddamned head off…
After I’ve had my coffee and a couple smokes, woke up, etc and you want to debate shit, then I got no problems…
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March 23, 2015 6:05 am
Is It Racist? Starbucks Gives Up Trying To Solve America’s ‘Other’ Great Divide
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/22/2015 21:15 -0400
Just as The Fed folded this week on ending the nation’s booming income inequality problem (by reinforcing the Yellen put for longer), so Starbucks has folded in its effort to fix the other growing divide in America – racism. Careful not to admit that it was due to pressure from the avalanche of less-than-positive social media reactions, AP reports Starbucks baristas will no longer write “Race Together” on customers’ cups. “Nothing is changing,” Starbucks claims it was all part “of the cadence” of the plan – hhmm. “Most people come to Starbucks for coffee,” concludes one young African-American, adding “race is an uncomfortable thing to bring up, especially in a Starbucks.”
As AP reports,
Starbucks baristas will no longer write “Race Together” on customers’ cups starting Sunday, ending as planned a visible component of the company’s diversity and racial inequality campaign that had sparked widespread criticism in the week since it took effect.
The coffee chain’s initiative will continue more broadly without the handwritten messages, Starbucks spokesman Jim Olson said.
The cups were always “just the catalyst” for a larger conversation, and Starbucks will still hold forum discussions, co-produce special sections in USA TODAY and put more stores in minority communities as part of the Race Together initiative, according to a company memo from CEO Howard Schultz said.
The campaign has been criticized as opportunistic and inappropriate, coming in the wake of racially charged events such as national protests over police killings of black males. Others questioned whether Starbucks workers could spark productive conversations about race while serving drinks.
The phase-out is not a reaction to that pushback, Olson said. “Nothing is changing. It’s all part of the cadence of the timeline we originally planned.”
He echoed the company memo, saying of the Race Together initiative, “We’re leaning into it hard.”
As one commentator noted, “I’ve not read a single positive Tweet or commentary on the @Starbucks #RaceTogether effort.”
At a Starbucks in Pittsfield Township, Michigan, near Ann Arbor, two customers said on Sunday they didn’t think a coffee shop was the right place for race relations dialogue.
Ninette Musili, a junior biomolecular science major at the University of Michigan, said the campaign seemed to her like an insincere publicity stunt that wasn’t executed properly.
Like many who criticized Starbucks, she goes to the shops either before class or later in the day to study. At neither time does she want to discuss race relations.
“Most people come to Starbucks for coffee,” said Musili, who is 19 and African-American. “Race is an uncomfortable thing to bring up, especially in a Starbucks.”
She said such discussions are important, and that Starbucks should have set aside time during the evenings for race discussions and invited people to attend.
Another customer, Shane Mulholland, 46, of Ann Arbor, also said Starbucks isn’t the venue to talk about race.
“They’re here for coffee. They’re not here to push their political agenda,” he said. “I even contemplated not coming here because of it.”
He said Starbucks should remain neutral on such topics because it’s an established brand, rather than risk alienating customers. “There are other ways you can go about doing things to stimulate interest in what you’re doing,” said Mulholland, who is white and runs an edible mushroom-growing business. “They must be doing so well they don’t have to worry about losing customers over that,” he said.
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As Bloomberg concludes, suffice it to say that Starbucks’ Race Together initiative has not yet solved the vexing problem of racism in America.
Mark
March 23, 2015 9:48 am
Starbucks brand is not about coffee.
It’s a self image narrative of a sophisticated yuppie . Race is part of that narrative and expressing that as a public posture fits the Tom Wolfe novel narritive.
So Starrbucks could have been to good at “fooling them selves”. They could have found the answer to their discussion by offering Negros free coffee.. Let’s see how much coffee they actually sell at those locations to their Lilly White tolerant types who live in enclaves with people who look just like themselves.
dc.sunsets
March 23, 2015 12:37 pm
I was in a Starbucks in Hoffman Estates IL last week.
The girls working there were quite cute. Makes sitting in a public place less unpleasant.
Some of the patrons were also nice looking, albeit in the “look at me, look at me” vampire-I’ll-drink-your-blood sort of way.
The coffee was the usual burned-bean crap, but it was an easy landmark at which to meet a business associate. And I had a gift card, so I wasn’t paying my own $ anyway.
That a visible corporation attempted, at the behest of its Peter-Principle CEO, to influence the race-divide in public is prima facie evidence that the high water mark of this folly is behind us.
Regardless of WHICH narrative was truer (the Anti-Racism/White-Guilt cultural Marxism of the past 50 years, or the next one, which will be, WTF were we thinking, shuffling the racial deck is a disaster), the new one is gaining steam.
Armies cannot resist an idea whose time has come.
I don’t really care if you think the new narrative is evil, or atavistic, or what-have-you. It is the next fashion and it will not be denied.
I for one am saddened that FORCED ASSOCIATION took precedence over FREEDOM of association, and that in doing so it filled an ocean-sized reservoir of resentment, and that resentment (Caucasians being beaten endlessly about how BAD they are) will inevitably blow-back in the form of RAGE.
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As a “white” male, I am however SICK of being told I’m the bad guy.
After most of an adult life of being told this drivel, I wonder if those beating me with it have ANY idea what it would look like if I actually WAS the bad guy they paint me as.
In truth, I won’t ever do that….but I fear the coming times when less-self-controlled people are plunged into poverty and, with nothing left to lose, THEY LOSE IT.
There’s a lot of rage out here. I feel it smouldering just below the surface, held in check by jobs and plans for the future that depend on things I believe are weeks or months from collapse.
My daughter works at S.B. and we’ve talked about this. She’s not going to do this.
But me being the asshole that I am will mark all of my cups #whitelivesmatter then leave them for other customers to see.
It’s been a very long time since I’ve been to a Starbucks… frankly, their coffee isn’t that good for what they charge for it.
I can make as good, or better, than they can every morning.
But, if I WERE to go to a Starbucks to get ripped off for a cup of overpriced coffee, the absolute LAST thing I want is some coffee monkey trying to engage me in a political argument about race…
Motherfucker, I haven’t had my COFFEE YET. You fuck with me before coffee, I’ll rip your goddamned head off…
After I’ve had my coffee and a couple smokes, woke up, etc and you want to debate shit, then I got no problems…
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Is It Racist? Starbucks Gives Up Trying To Solve America’s ‘Other’ Great Divide
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/22/2015 21:15 -0400
Just as The Fed folded this week on ending the nation’s booming income inequality problem (by reinforcing the Yellen put for longer), so Starbucks has folded in its effort to fix the other growing divide in America – racism. Careful not to admit that it was due to pressure from the avalanche of less-than-positive social media reactions, AP reports Starbucks baristas will no longer write “Race Together” on customers’ cups. “Nothing is changing,” Starbucks claims it was all part “of the cadence” of the plan – hhmm. “Most people come to Starbucks for coffee,” concludes one young African-American, adding “race is an uncomfortable thing to bring up, especially in a Starbucks.”
As AP reports,
Starbucks baristas will no longer write “Race Together” on customers’ cups starting Sunday, ending as planned a visible component of the company’s diversity and racial inequality campaign that had sparked widespread criticism in the week since it took effect.
The coffee chain’s initiative will continue more broadly without the handwritten messages, Starbucks spokesman Jim Olson said.
The cups were always “just the catalyst” for a larger conversation, and Starbucks will still hold forum discussions, co-produce special sections in USA TODAY and put more stores in minority communities as part of the Race Together initiative, according to a company memo from CEO Howard Schultz said.
The campaign has been criticized as opportunistic and inappropriate, coming in the wake of racially charged events such as national protests over police killings of black males. Others questioned whether Starbucks workers could spark productive conversations about race while serving drinks.
The phase-out is not a reaction to that pushback, Olson said. “Nothing is changing. It’s all part of the cadence of the timeline we originally planned.”
He echoed the company memo, saying of the Race Together initiative, “We’re leaning into it hard.”
As one commentator noted, “I’ve not read a single positive Tweet or commentary on the @Starbucks #RaceTogether effort.”
At a Starbucks in Pittsfield Township, Michigan, near Ann Arbor, two customers said on Sunday they didn’t think a coffee shop was the right place for race relations dialogue.
Ninette Musili, a junior biomolecular science major at the University of Michigan, said the campaign seemed to her like an insincere publicity stunt that wasn’t executed properly.
Like many who criticized Starbucks, she goes to the shops either before class or later in the day to study. At neither time does she want to discuss race relations.
“Most people come to Starbucks for coffee,” said Musili, who is 19 and African-American. “Race is an uncomfortable thing to bring up, especially in a Starbucks.”
She said such discussions are important, and that Starbucks should have set aside time during the evenings for race discussions and invited people to attend.
Another customer, Shane Mulholland, 46, of Ann Arbor, also said Starbucks isn’t the venue to talk about race.
“They’re here for coffee. They’re not here to push their political agenda,” he said. “I even contemplated not coming here because of it.”
He said Starbucks should remain neutral on such topics because it’s an established brand, rather than risk alienating customers. “There are other ways you can go about doing things to stimulate interest in what you’re doing,” said Mulholland, who is white and runs an edible mushroom-growing business. “They must be doing so well they don’t have to worry about losing customers over that,” he said.
* * *
As Bloomberg concludes, suffice it to say that Starbucks’ Race Together initiative has not yet solved the vexing problem of racism in America.
Starbucks brand is not about coffee.
It’s a self image narrative of a sophisticated yuppie . Race is part of that narrative and expressing that as a public posture fits the Tom Wolfe novel narritive.
So Starrbucks could have been to good at “fooling them selves”. They could have found the answer to their discussion by offering Negros free coffee.. Let’s see how much coffee they actually sell at those locations to their Lilly White tolerant types who live in enclaves with people who look just like themselves.
I was in a Starbucks in Hoffman Estates IL last week.
The girls working there were quite cute. Makes sitting in a public place less unpleasant.
Some of the patrons were also nice looking, albeit in the “look at me, look at me” vampire-I’ll-drink-your-blood sort of way.
The coffee was the usual burned-bean crap, but it was an easy landmark at which to meet a business associate. And I had a gift card, so I wasn’t paying my own $ anyway.
That a visible corporation attempted, at the behest of its Peter-Principle CEO, to influence the race-divide in public is prima facie evidence that the high water mark of this folly is behind us.
Regardless of WHICH narrative was truer (the Anti-Racism/White-Guilt cultural Marxism of the past 50 years, or the next one, which will be, WTF were we thinking, shuffling the racial deck is a disaster), the new one is gaining steam.
Armies cannot resist an idea whose time has come.
I don’t really care if you think the new narrative is evil, or atavistic, or what-have-you. It is the next fashion and it will not be denied.
I for one am saddened that FORCED ASSOCIATION took precedence over FREEDOM of association, and that in doing so it filled an ocean-sized reservoir of resentment, and that resentment (Caucasians being beaten endlessly about how BAD they are) will inevitably blow-back in the form of RAGE.
————————————————————————————–
As a “white” male, I am however SICK of being told I’m the bad guy.
After most of an adult life of being told this drivel, I wonder if those beating me with it have ANY idea what it would look like if I actually WAS the bad guy they paint me as.
In truth, I won’t ever do that….but I fear the coming times when less-self-controlled people are plunged into poverty and, with nothing left to lose, THEY LOSE IT.
There’s a lot of rage out here. I feel it smouldering just below the surface, held in check by jobs and plans for the future that depend on things I believe are weeks or months from collapse.
I plan to avoid public places for sure, then.