LEGALIZE MARIJUANA NOW

Just kidding. Let’s see if legalizing marijuana is a good idea.

Some background first. Who started the War on Drugs and coined that phrase? Ronald Reagan? Nope. Jimmy Carter, who suggested decriminalizing possession of less than 1 ounce of marijuana? Not likely. It was Richard Nixon in 1971 who declared the War on Drugs and added that it was Public Enemy Number One. Nixon also created the Drug Enforcement Administration, then known as the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, and assembled a commission to study drug use. Ironically, one of the conclusions of the Nixon Commission was “the private use of marijuana in one’s own home should not be illegal.”

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FIRST AMERICAN TO ENLIST IN THE WAR ON DRUGS

On July 30, 2008, news reports announced that a political odd couple had introduced legislation in the U.S. House of Representatives which proposed ending federal penalties for people carrying less than 100 grams, about 3 1/2 ounces, of marijuana. This bill was co-sponsored by uber-liberal Democrat Barney Frank from Massachusetts and ultra-libertarian Republican Ron Paul from Texas.   The bill remains stuck in committee. In other words, DOA.

BARNEY FRANK AND RON PAUL

An average joint of marijuana, according to pro-pot National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), weighs 4/10 of a gram. So Frank and Paul advocated that if you carry “less than 100 grams” of Mary Jane, you are “limited” to carrying the equivalent of about 250 joints of marijuana. Oh, the horror. You can throw a helluva pot party with 250 joints.

ACTUAL PHOTO OF 100 GRAM JOINT

So the issue of legalizing of marijuana has been around for quite some time. The focus in this discussion will be to see whether or not it makes ECONOMIC sense to legalize marijuana.

There is no consensus on how many REGULAR pot smokers are out there. USG figures put the number at 14-15 million. Sites that advocate legalization put the number at anywhere between 20 and 40 million and note that half of the population has at least tried marijuana once. That’s 155,000,000 people. The higher figures make sense from the legalization lobbies’ viewpoint. Just like advocates for the homeless, the higher the number, the greater the problem and the more urgent the need to fix it by government action. According to the pro-potters, legalize marijuana, and you have fixed the problem and will garner BILLIONS AND BILLIONS  in federal and state revenues by taxing marijuana heavily like alcohol and cigarettes.

Uncle Scrooge 

UNCLE SAM SWIMMING IN DRUG REVENUES; DEFICITS ERASED!!

It won’t work that way. The Mexican drug cartels are fiercely protective of their drug profits, so protective that they’ve moved some of their marijuana cultivation into the U.S. itself. They grow the marijuana here, and, like the marijuana smuggled across the border, ship it to the HUNDREDS OF U.S CITIES where the distribution of marijuana is mostly controlled by people working for those cartels. They have the marijuana distribution networks so wrapped up that the other major importers of marijuana (Canada, Colombia, and Jamaica) somtimes sell their product to the Mexican cartels. And yes, the distribution networks are largely populated by illegal Mexican aliens.

The Mexican cartels are growing marijuana on large tracts of land in California, Oregon, and Washington, with intelligence indicating that they also plan to set up cultivation areas in Michigan, Arkansas, and North Carolina. According to a Washington Post article published in October 2009, the Mexicans protect their U.S. cultivation areas with trip flares, fish hooks dangling at eye level, punji stick pits, guard dogs, and trip wires linked to grenades, shotguns, and other explosives. Miles of PCV pipe have been laid in these areas for irrigation in times of dry weather so that 2-3 crops can be raised year round. And yes, most of the labor in these cultivation areas is illegal Mexican aliens.

This just in.  Add Wisconsin to the list.  On August 11, 12 men were arrested for running a huge marijuana cultivation and processing operation in the Nicolet National Forest near Green Bay.   200 pounds of marijuana were found in the processing plant, and a large cache of weapons, including assault rifles, was also seized.  The names of the men arrested were Adalberto Valencia, Raul Juvenal, Javier Navarro ………… oh hell, you get the point.  All were obviously upstanding Polish-Americans just trying to get some extra beer money for the Packers games.  Read about it here.   www.postcrescent.com/article/…/12-arrested-in-bust-of-marijuana-operation

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VINCE LOMBARDI: REPUTED GODFATHER OF THE GREEN BAY MEXICAN MARIJUANA MAFIA

Is anyone getting the uneasy feeling that the Mexicans will NOT be raising a white flag of surrender should the USG legalize marijuana?

White Flag of Surrender Image

COMING SOON TO YOUR CITY: TRAFFICKERS SURRENDER

In fact, just the opposite will happen. The Mexicans may at first deal with legalization of marijuana by simply undercutting the price of heavily taxed weed on the legal market. That should be easy to do, given the track record of the USG for screwing up everything it touches and the fact that the Mexican traffickers aren’t paying any taxes on their dope. If it does play out this way, you can kiss those billions of dollars in marijuana tax revenues good bye.

However, if the Mexicans sense they are losing their customer base and profits start to tank, they will react harshly. Violent crime will skyrocket, and this time the victims won’t be members of a rival drug gang. It will be the people involved in the legal cultivation, distribution, and sale of marijuana. And it won’t make a whit of difference whether those victims are public or private employees. The cartels will view those people as every bit of a threat to their drug profits as the members of a rival cartel. So when you pick up the morning paper to read about the latest dumping ground for people murdered by the traffickers, the location won’t be Juarez or Tijuana, Mexico. It will be Oakland and Chicago. Not good.

DRUG WAR BREAKS OUT IN WEST PHILLY’S 30 BLOCKS OF SQUALOR

Many may be saying at this point, “Hey, I don’t favor the total legalization of marijuana, but don’t Barney Frank and Ron Paul have a good idea in trying to change the federal laws for POSSESSION of marijuana?” Actually, no. Note that only federal penalties would change, but the bill doesn’t attempt to change state penalties. So if you get caught by ICE officers at Miami International or the Arizona border with 3 and 1/2 ounces of MJ or less, no harm, no foul, right? Wrong. Your’e still in violation of Florida and Arizona law, so off you go to the custody of the Miami Airport Authorities or the Arizona State Police. The only thing the Frank/Paul bill would accomplish is a tiny reduction in required arrests by federal law enforcement authorities, most of which would be shifted to state law enforcement officers. Granted, many states may change their possession laws (all are well below the 100 grams in the Frank/Paul bill) to match the federal law. But it’s an ironclad guarantee there will still be state fines for simple possession.

How about all those arrests for marijuana-related offenses, 847,000 in 2008, cited constantly by NORML and other pro-pot organizations as needlessly costly (NORML says “billions” with no stats to back it up) to our law enforcement budgets and unnecessarily damaging to the lives of millions of our citizens? Time to break out a photo of Congressman Joe “You Lie” Wilson of South Carolina.

Joe Wilson You Lie photo

NORML is grossly covering up the true picture. What NORML doesn’t tell you is that 90% of the arrests, or 762,000, are almost all “catch and release” for simple possession (the remaining 75,000 arrests are for “manufacture” or “sale”). In states where most of the arrests are made, such as California and New York, it’s almost like getting a speeding ticket. You get a citation to appear in court, show up, pay your fine ($100 in both California and New York), and off you go. California really puts the hammer down if you’re caught with 28.5 grams (over 70 joints worth) or less ON SCHOOL GROUNDS. Then you get 10 days in jail and a $500 fine, which is the NORML equivalent of waterboarding. New York gives you three shots if you have 25 grams (60 joints) or less: first offense, $100 fine; second offense, $200 fine; third offense, $250 fine and maybe up to 5 days in jail if the judge is in a really cranky mood. It doesn’t get any more draconian than that. I’d be willing to bet that states like California and New York MAKE money, not lose, off the fines they collect for marijuana possession.

Memo to NORML. Over 1,000,000 people are arrested for drunk driving every year. When someone fails or refuses roadside tests, they are arrested, cuffed, taken into custody, and jailed. 100%. Not 10% as in marijuana cases, 100%. Convicted DUI offenders pay enormous fines, lose their drivers license for 90 days or more, have to take mandatory alcohol abuse courses, and on and on. 2nd and 3rd offenses start to involve serious jail time in some states. And alcohol is a legal drug. NORML thinks smokers of an illegal drug are being dumped on and uses outright propaganda to mislead the public about marijuana laws unnecessarily clogging up the court system.

Some factoids in closing. Nobel Prize winner and cat lover Paul Krugman was my advisor on the economic analysis.

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1. Every year, 200,000 people enter drug rehabilitation centers for marijuana addiction (it is estimated that 4,300,000 people are addicted to marijuana). Average cost for inpatient treatment is $7,500 and may go up to as high as $75,000 for stays over 30 days. Simple math tells you that a minimum of $1.5 BILLION is spent annually to treat marijuana addiction. I’m sure all of these addicts pay cash on the barrel head for their treatment, and, according to Krugman’s infallible analysis, legalizing marijuana will certainly decrease the number of addicts. Costs for rehab will plummet, he believes, saving the addicts hundreds of millions in out-of-pocket expenses. Krugman insists that addicts will use this money to send child-support payments to their battered ex-wives.

2. 12% of all the fatal accidents involving a driver of an 18-wheeler are caused by the driver being high on marijuana. Krugman advises that legalizing marijuana will make this 12% drop to 0%, so let’s move on. Nothing to see here. These fatal accidents are totally cost free. “Good Lord,” Krugman told me, “Do I have to spell out every obvious detail. Everyone has to die from something!”

3. Every year, 2,000,000 people try marijuana for the first time. 62% of this group is under the age of 18. According to Krugman, if we legalize marijuana, this 62% will fall dramatically, perhaps disappear altogether, because everyone knows that kids just like to do forbidden stuff. He knows for a fact that kids certainly don’t smoke or drink because tobacco and alcohol are legal. It’s just not fun. Further, he states, if the snotty little brats fool us and marijuana use increases among underage teenagers, they’ll probably all mellow out and grow up to earn their PhD in nuclear physics from MIT. “It’s so clear,” Krugman insisted, “that these young potheads will solve America’s energy problems overnight. Am I the only person who can see this?”

Paul Krugman for president 2012. Legalize marijuana now.

Rep. Barney Frank's bill would radically curb federal penalties for personal marijuana use.
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KaD
KaD
August 13, 2010 10:01 am

SSS, good observations and IMO I think you’re exactly right. The US puts on a SHOW of dealing with drugs but in reality needs the money badly which they use the big banks to launder along with money from the arms trade.

matt
matt
August 13, 2010 11:26 am

I like Ron Paul’s stance on drugs, the government has no business telling people what they can or can’t consume. I have seen far more damage done by drinking “legal” alcohol than anything else being consumed.

Dave
Dave
August 13, 2010 11:40 am

I’ve never tried marijuana, but lately with the assholes running government, I’m thinking of starting up.

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 12:16 pm

Admin

Who said there are no consequences to the Mexican traffickers? How about those people who were just arrested in Wisconsin and face 10-15 years minimum? Why don’t we at least TRY to secure the border and stop these cockroaches from coming in here and spreading their filthy trade to all corners of the nation. Green Bay, Wisconsin, for Christ’s sake!!!

On a percentage basis, I don’t know whether or not use of illegal drugs has increased. I do know that the population has increased considerably since Nixon’s day, so there a lot more customers out there for the traffickers. BTW, do you think your 30 Blocks of Squalor will get any better by legalizing marijuana? Be honest now. Before you answer, you must realize that marijuana is VERY HEAVILY TRADED in the illegal drug market for cocaine, crack, and heroin.

You said, “We have predator drones that can kill a terrorist or an innocent child from miles away, but we can’t figure out where marijuana is being grown?” You need to rent an airplane and ask the pilot to fly you over northern Pennsylvania. While you are carefully studying that terrain, try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who is trying to discover where marijuana is being grown, or not. I think you’ll have an answer to your qustion when you land.

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 12:21 pm

Matt

So we just ADD to the damage being done by alcohol abuse by legalizing marijuana (or decriminalizing its possession)? Think about that the next time you start complaining about the skyrocketing costs of health insurance.

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 12:21 pm

Dave

Party on, Garth.

matt
matt
August 13, 2010 12:53 pm

SSS
We could save billions of dollars in our prison system by not incarcerating small time pot users. In fact, we are realeasing violent criminals onto the streets to make room for pot-heads. I would rather deal with a stoner than a violent criminal.

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo
August 13, 2010 1:07 pm

“BTW, do you think your 30 Blocks of Squalor will get any better by legalizing marijuana? Be honest now.”

I honestly do not care. The people who live on the 30 Blocks of Squalor and their entirely self-inflicted problems are not my concern. Grown adults should be able to smoke weed if they want, Squalor residents be damned. It’s not even dangerous – there are no known cases of anyone ever overdosing on it, and that stuff about addiction is complete bullshit. It could be habit-forming, but is not a chemically addictive substance like alcohol, tobacco, or a lot of prescription drugs.

SSS, if you’re such a fan of the nanny state, go get busy throwing all the obese people in jail for their self-harming behavior.

We already went through that stupid prohibition crap with alcohol and should have learned our lesson the first time.

Administrator
Administrator
  Pirate Jo
August 13, 2010 2:00 pm

Looks like a Pirate Jo and SSS smackdown.

I’m putting my money on Pirate Jo

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 1:52 pm

Matt

I have no problem with backing off on prison penalties for small time pot USERS. In fact, I clearly pointed out that many states such as New York and California have already done so.

I would take exception to your assertion that states are releasing violent criminals to make room for potheads. I saw no such evidence in my research for this article that that is happening. And if it is happening, it’s sheer insanity.

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 2:01 pm

Pirate Jo

Anyone who has read my articles and postings knows I am no fan of the nanny state. That was a low blow. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Your comments about Prohibition were riveting. Why stop with marijuana? Do you also favor legalizing cocaine, crack, heroin, speed, LSD, and the like?

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 2:08 pm

Admin

Stop stirring up the natives. I’ve already circled the wagons.

Administrator
Administrator
  SSS
August 13, 2010 3:00 pm

Fascinating history of marijuana laws. It wasn’t illegal until 1937. FDR made it illegal.

The Marihuana Tax Act of 1937

Now, first again, does everybody see the date, 1937? You may have thought that we have had a national marijuana prohibition for a very long time. Frankly, we haven’t.

The marijuana prohibition is part and parcel of that era which is now being rejected rather generally — the New Deal era in Washington in the late 30s.

Number two, you know, don’t you, that whenever Congress is going to pass a law, they hold hearings. And you have seen these hearings. The hearings can be extremely voluminous, they go on and on, they have days and days of hearings. Well, may I say, that the hearings on the national marijuana prohibition were very brief indeed. The hearings on the national marijuana prohibition lasted one hour, on each of two mornings and since the hearings were so brief I can tell you almost exactly what was said to support the national marijuana prohibition.

Now, in doing this one at the FBI Academy, I didn’t tell them this story, but I am going to tell you this story. You want to know how brief the hearings were on the national marijuana prohibition?

When we asked at the Library of Congress for a copy of the hearings, to the shock of the Library of Congress, none could be found. We went “What?” It took them four months to finally honor our request because — are you ready for this? — the hearings were so brief that the volume had slid down inside the side shelf of the bookcase and was so thin it had slid right down to the bottom inside the bookshelf. That’s how brief they were. Are you ready for this? They had to break the bookshelf open because it had slid down inside.

There were three bodies of testimony at the hearings on the national marijuana prohibition.

The first testimony came from Commissioner Harry Anslinger, the newly named Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. Now, I think some of you know that in the late 20s and early 30s in this country there were two Federal police agencies created, the FBI and the FBN — the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Federal Bureau of Narcotics.

In our book, I talk at great length about how different the history of these two organizations really are. But, the two organizations, the FBI and the FBN had some surface similarities and one of them was that a single individual headed each of them for a very long time. In the case of the FBI, it was J. Edgar Hoover, and in the case of the FBN it was Harry Anslinger, who was the Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics from 1930 until 1962.

Commissioner Anslinger gave the Government testimony and I will quote him directly. By the way, he was not working from a text that he had written. He was working from a text that had been written for him by a District Attorney in New Orleans, a guy named Stanley. Reading directly from Mr. Stanley’s work, Commissioner Anslinger told the Congressmen at the hearings, and I quote, “Marihuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.” That was the Government testimony to support the marijuana prohibition from the Commissioner.

The next body of testimony — remember all of this took a total of two hours — uh .. You understand what the idea was, don’t you? The idea was to prohibit the cultivation of hemp in America. You all know, because there has been some initiative here in California, that hemp has other uses than its euphoriant use. For one, hemp has always been used to make rope. Number two, the resins of the hemp plant are used as bases for paints and varnishes. And, finally, the seeds of the hemp plant are widely used in bird seed. Since these industries were going to be affected the next body of testimony came from the industrial spokesmen who represented these industries.

The first person was the rope guy. The rope guy told a fascinating story — it really is fascinating — the growth of a hemp to make rope was a principle cash crop right where I am from, Northern Virginia and Southern Maryland at the time of the Revolutionary War. But, said the rope guy, by about 1820 it got cheaper to import the hemp we needed to make rope from the Far East and so now in 1937 we don’t grow any more hemp to make rope in this country — it isn’t needed anymore.

If you heard that story, there are two things about it that I found fascinating. Number one, it explains the long-standing rumor that our forefathers had something to do with marijuana. Yes, they did — they grew it. Hemp was the principal crop at Mount Vernon. It was a secondary crop at Monticello. Now, of course, in our research we did not find any evidence that any of our forefathers had used the hemp plant for euphoriant purposes, but they did grow it.

The second part of that story that, to me is even more interesting is — did you see the date again – 1937? What did the rope guy say? We can get all the hemp we need to make rope from the Far East, we don’t grow it hear anymore because we don’t need to.

Five years later, 1942, we are cut off from our sources of hemp in the Far East. We need a lot of hemp to outfit our ships for World War II, rope for the ships, and therefore, the Federal Government, as some of you know, went into the business of growing hemp on gigantic farms throughout the Midwest and the South to make rope to outfit the ships for World War II.

So, even to this day, if you are from the Midwest you will always meet the people who say, “Gosh, hemp grows all along the railroad tracks.” Well, it does. Why? Because these huge farms existed all during World War II.

But, the rope people didn’t care. The paint and varnish people said “We can use something else.” And, of the industrial spokesmen, only the birdseed people balked. The birdseed people were the ones who balked and the birdseed person was asked, “Couldn’t you use some other seed?”

These are all, by the way, direct quotes from the hearings. The answer the birdseed guy gave was, “No, Congressman, we couldn’t. We have never found another seed that makes a birds coat so lustrous or makes them sing so much.”

So, on the ground that the birdseed people needed it — did you know that the birdseed people both got and kept an exemption from the Marihuana Tax Act right through this very day for so-called “denatured seeds”?

In any event, there was Anslinger’s testimony, there was the industrial testimony — there was only one body of testimony left at these brief hearings and it was medical. There were two pieces of medical evidence introduced with regard to the marijuana prohibition.

The first came from a pharmacologist at Temple University who claimed that he had injected the active ingredient in marihuana into the brains of 300 dogs, and two of those dogs had died. When asked by the Congressmen, and I quote, “Doctor, did you choose dogs for the similarity of their reactions to that of humans?” The answer of the pharmacologist was, “I wouldn’t know, I am not a dog psychologist.”

Well, the active ingredient in marijuana was first synthesized in a laboratory in Holland after World War II. So what it was this pharmacologist injected into these dogs we will never know, but it almost certainly was not the active ingredient in marijuana.

The other piece of medical testimony came from a man named Dr. William C. Woodward. Dr. Woodward was both a lawyer and a doctor and he was Chief Counsel to the American Medical Association. Dr. Woodward came to testify at the behest of the American Medical Association saying, and I quote, “The American Medical Association knows of no evidence that marihuana is a dangerous drug.”

What’s amazing is not whether that’s true or not. What’s amazing is what the Congressmen then said to him. Immediately upon his saying, and I quote again, “The American Medical Association knows of no evidence that marihuana is a dangerous drug.”, one of the Congressmen said, “Doctor, if you can’t say something good about what we are trying to do, why don’t you go home?”

That’s an exact quote. The next Congressman said, “Doctor, if you haven’t got something better to say than that, we are sick of hearing you.”

Now, the interesting question for us is not about the medical evidence. The most fascinating question is: why was this legal counsel to the most prestigious group of doctors in the United States treated in such a high-handed way? And the answer makes a principle thesis of my work — and that is — you’ve seen it, you’ve been living it the last ten years. The history of drugs in this country perfectly mirrors the history of this country.

So look at the date — 1937 — what’s going on in this country? Well, a lot of things, but the number one thing was that, in 1936, President Franklin Roosevelt was reelected in the largest landslide election in this country’s history till then. He brought with him two Democrats for every Republican, all, or almost all of them pledged to that package of economic and social reform legislation we today call the New Deal.

And, did you know that the American Medical Association, from 1932, straight through 1937, had systematically opposed every single piece of New Deal legislation. So that, by 1937, this committee, heavily made up of New Deal Democrats is simply sick of hearing them: “Doctor, if you can’t say something good about what we are trying to do, why don’t you go home?”

So, over the objection of the American Medical Association, the bill passed out of committee and on to the floor of Congress. Now, some of you may think that the debate on the floor of Congress was more extensive on the marijuana prohibition. It wasn’t. It lasted one minute and thirty-two seconds by my count and, as such, I will give it to you verbatim.

The entire debate on the national marijuana prohibition was as follows — and, by the way, if you had grown up in Washington, DC as I had you would appreciate this date. Are you ready? The bill was brought on to the floor of the House of Representatives — there never was any Senate debate on it not one word — 5:45 Friday afternoon, August 20. Now, in pre-air-conditioning Washington, who was on the floor of the House? Who was on the floor of the House? Not very many people.

Speaker Sam Rayburn called for the bill to be passed on “tellers”. Does everyone know “tellers”? Did you know that for the vast bulk of legislation in this country, there is not a recorded vote. It is simply, more people walk past this point than walk past that point and it passes — it’s called “tellers”. They were getting ready to pass this thing on tellers without discussion and without a recorded vote when one of the few Republicans left in Congress, a guy from upstate New York, stood up and asked two questions, which constituted the entire debate on the national marijuana prohibition.

“Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?”

To which Speaker Rayburn replied, “I don’t know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it’s a narcotic of some kind.”

Undaunted, the guy from Upstate New York asked a second question, which was as important to the Republicans as it was unimportant to the Democrats. “Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?”

In one of the most remarkable things I have ever found in any research, a guy who was on the committee, and who later went on to become a Supreme Court Justice, stood up and — do you remember? The AMA guy was named William C. Woodward — a member of the committee who had supported the bill leaped to his feet and he said, “Their Doctor Wentworth came down here. They support this bill 100 percent.” It wasn’t true, but it was good enough for the Republicans. They sat down and the bill passed on tellers, without a recorded vote.

In the Senate there never was any debate or a recorded vote, and the bill went to President Roosevelt’s desk and he signed it and we had the national marijuana prohibition.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/whiteb1.htm

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
August 13, 2010 2:21 pm

Questions for you folks who are against making pot legal;

1) Aren’t you also the same people who complain about government intrusion in our lives??

Oh, yes you are! But, I guess you’re willing to make an exception for your favorite vice that you hate.

2) Why aren’t you folks against EVERYTHING that is “bad” for you? Why are you SO inconsistent?

As just one example, why not outlaw sugar? Millions suffer and die from diabetes every year!!

3) Why can’t you understand that making something illegal, usually has NEGLIGABLE effect on whether or not people continue the activity?

Just look at the numbers provided in the article. Millions upon millions of people do or have smoked pot. (I, myself, am a former member of the club … 30 years ago). So, I guess you’re all googoo and gaga happy that the government makes instant criminals of at least 1/3 of the population? That’s insane!!

4) How much MORE money are you willing to piss down the drain to “win” this so-called war on drugs?

Facts are on MY side. The many billions spent on this war has been a dismal and total failure. Maybe another few hundred billion or so will do the trick? Yeah, right. Gimme a break!

Lastly, SSS, the scenario you paint regarding the Mexican drug cartel’s response to legalization is pure conjecture and fiction. Might make a great movie, though!

Administrator
Administrator
  StuckInNJ
August 13, 2010 3:02 pm

A StuckinNJ and SSS smackdown.

Get out the popcorn.

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo
August 13, 2010 2:55 pm

“Do you also favor legalizing cocaine, crack, heroin, speed, LSD, and the like?”

Yes. I fully support the right of every individual to fuck up his or her life as he or she sees fit.

However, speaking of low blows, it’s misleading to lump marijuana in with these other drugs, which actually have demonstrable negative impacts to a person’s health. Marijuana is probably more benign than any type of food made with high-fructose corn syrup. It’s like they made skim milk illegal, for chrissake. Yet it accounts for 60% of drug arrests.

And if they made skim milk illegal, the price of it would probably go up to an equally ridiculous $400 an ounce, which would give me yet another thing to be pissed about.

The war on drugs IS pure nanny statism. I’m not ashamed of calling that out. Even with those harder drugs you mention, people wreak much worse havoc on their bodies with their crappy diets. The health of an obese person is in worse shape than that of an otherwise healthy person who snorts coke.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
August 13, 2010 3:13 pm

“Marihuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

Awesome!! FINALLY an explanation as to what ails Pelosi, Reed, et. al.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
August 13, 2010 3:16 pm

“And, finally, the seeds of the hemp plant are widely used in bird seed.”

Well, damn! That explains why that fuckin’ Robin keep flying head first into my windows.

Sparrowhawk
Sparrowhawk
August 13, 2010 3:46 pm

True confession time. I have been a daily pot smoker for most of my adult life. Not now because I live in a new town and at my age, I don’t go to the places I might find a reliable connection.

But let me tell you, I miss it. This is how it is for me personally. It takes the edge off and helps me enjoy life without being testy. A nice buzz for doing mundane things like cleaning the house. I have never had a traffic accident because of it, or missed a day of work or spoken hurtful words to people that I didn’t mean ( sound familiar, alcoholics?). I do not engage in any criminal activity. Nor do I use any other drugs. Now, alcohol…I can’t begin to tell the horrible stories of the things I’ve done and that have happened to me because of drinking.

So, the more harmless buzz is banned while the dangerous one is ok. WTF? I also know plenty of folks like me. It just shouldn’t be a crime.

Daniel
Daniel
August 13, 2010 4:15 pm

I’ve been on the fence on this issue for some time. Yes, part of me resents Federal government dictating this behavior. However, we throw around terms like “nanny state” easily. There remains core to our nation, a concept of “civil society”. Our nation is not founded on anarchy, and we do make laws based on our ethics, morals. I would pin the ‘everyone for themselves’ mentality on a modern phenomenon of the ‘culture of narcissism’ (thank you baby boomers).

For everybody noting the good-old-days, I can refer you to the state’s Blue Laws, tight knit groups, religion, and other institutions that set the tone for the individual communities. Go out and rent the movie “Footloose”.

Regardless of the fact that I would prefer that pot be illegal – at some point a community should be able to create law as they deem fit. There are activities that should be frowned upon. There are some things we deem immoral, destructive, or harmful. Our country is “a nation of laws, not men”, and outlawing herb is something I’m OK with. In short, because the community, the majority says so.

Besides, people who want it legalized are fucking hippies anyhow! 🙂

Also, there are a few people here that cry hysterical to SSS about the cost and incarceration – he pointed out, like in NY and California’s case, that the vast majority of possession charges are essentially given fines and sent on their way. We give out lots of speeding tickets don’t we? I think that’s a good compromise – you get caught with it 1st time: $1000 fine. Second time $2000. 3rd = $3k…. And its on your record for your employer to judge. Dealing is another issue. There is a real cost to drugs. You can’t distill a solution down to legalization, regardless of how attractive that looks in some bombed Humboldt haze.

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 4:35 pm

Admin

Enough with the friggin’ smackdowns. I’m not finished with Pirate Jo, and you go and throw an unhinged Stucky into the fray.

Pirate Jo

My response in caps to your post above.

“Do you also favor legalizing cocaine, crack, heroin, speed, LSD, and the like?” Yes. I fully support the right of every individual to fuck up his or her life as he or she sees fit. SO DO I. YOU CAN TRY A DIET OF RAT POISON FOR ALL I CARE. WHAT I DON’T SUPPORT IS YOUR DRUG HABIT FUCKING UP MY LIFE OR ANYONE ELSE’S FOR THAT MATTER. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT OLD SAYING, “YOUR RIGHTS STOP WHERE MY NOSE STARTS.”

However, speaking of low blows, it’s misleading to lump marijuana in with these other drugs, which actually have demonstrable negative impacts to a person’s health. Marijuana is probably more benign than any type of food made with high-fructose corn syrup. It’s like they made skim milk illegal, for chrissake. Yet it accounts for 60% of drug arrests. MARIJUANA ARRESTS MAKE UP SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 50% OF DRUG ARRESTS, NOT 60%. DOES CORN SYRUP DO THIS TO YOUR BODY: MEMORY LOSS, DISTORTED PERCEPTION, TROUBLE WITH THINKING AND PROBLEM-SOLVING, LOSS OF MOTOR SKILLS, DECREASE IN MUSCLE STRENGTH, INCREASED HEART RATE, AND ANXIETY. WELL, DOES IT, PUNK? HAS THE NUMBER OF EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS DUE TO CORN SYRUP USE TRIPLED IN RECENT YEARS? WELL, HAS IT, PUNK? (JIM, PLEASE INSERT A PICTURE OF DIRTY HARRY CALLAHAN HOLDING HIS .44 MAGNUM HERE.)

And if they made skim milk illegal, the price of it would probably go up to an equally ridiculous $400 an ounce, which would give me yet another thing to be pissed about. HOW ON GOD’S GREEN EARTH DID WE GET FROM MARIJUANA TO SKIM MILK?

The war on drugs IS pure nanny statism. I’m not ashamed of calling that out. Even with those harder drugs you mention, people wreak much worse havoc on their bodies with their crappy diets. The health of an obese person is in worse shape than that of an otherwise healthy person who snorts coke. CORN SYRUP, SKIM MILK, AND NOW CRAPPY DIETS. WHAT ELSE YOU GOT IN YOUR QUIVER, PUPPIES AND KITTENS???

Administrator
Administrator
  SSS
August 13, 2010 5:03 pm

SSS

This is really entertaining. I just sit back and watch the fireworks. I’m learning from both sides. I’ll try to roll a hand grenade into the room every time it dies down. Excellent article by the way. You put a lot of work into it.

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 4:42 pm

Sparrowhawk

I said it above, and it bears repeating. Party on, Garth.

Daniel

Daniel for president 2012.

Stucky

Stand by, I’m reloading. Pirate Jo just came down with a serious case of lead poisoning.

matt
matt
August 13, 2010 4:52 pm

Sparrowhawk,
Thank you for your honesty. I have never regretted things I did when I smoked. On the other hand, drinking is another story. I can only assume people like SSS think the average smoker is like Cheech or Chong. It simply isn’t true. Not a slam on you SSS, just my experience. I had a time in my life where I needed help with anxiety. My Doctor recommended a couple different prescription meds for me and they sucked, made me too sleepy and lathargic. Weed can be a calming alternative to meds, if used properly. BTW, if Big Pharma could make money with weed, it would be legal tomorrow.

Sparrowhawk
Sparrowhawk
August 13, 2010 4:59 pm

Pot is nature’s valium. And I really like hippies, myself. I will party on if I can!

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo
August 13, 2010 6:40 pm

SSS, I take my trusty large knife and CARVE THAT BULLET RIGHT OUT OF MY OWN HIDE! Ye gods, now you’ve got me doing the crazyville all-caps thing. But I’ll adress your points:

How does it harm you if Sparrowhawk gets stoned? Do you mean people who smoke pot and drive? Because that’s a separate issue. It’s against the law to drink and drive, or even text on a cell phone and drive in some places, but we don’t outlaw alcohol or cell phones. In fact, I don’t want to be sharing the road with you if you are trying to eat a taco salad, but I don’t suggest we outlaw taco salads. Just wondering how you think it harms others if any given individual smokes pot.

Then, as to what you list as health risks. I can see loss of memory and difficulty concentrating, and those others you list, WHILE someone is stoned. But it wears off in, what, two or three hours? The buzz will be off by the time you’re done watching ‘The Two Towers’ – do you mean to say those effects are permanent? Because I’ve never seen anything credible that says so, or observed it in my personal life.

As to the rest, if you understand (whether or not you agree with) my premise that marijuana is harmless, then you should be able to understand why I think criminalizing it makes as much sense as outlawing skim milk.

Even if you think marijuana is harmful, how is it any LESS harmful than high fructose corn syrup or a crappy diet? If you think things should be outlawed if they are bad for you, then you’ve got an awfully long list to address.

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo
August 13, 2010 6:45 pm

Daniel, your take is interesting – ” … a community should be able to create law as they deem fit.”

Well, I would have a problem with a Muslim community deciding to allow honor killings in a county in the state of Iowa, but you are just talking about blue laws and such, so I’ll assume that’s the spirit of your discussion.

I don’t disagree. These are local levels of government, like counties or cities, and I say let them pass those laws and pay for the costs of enforcement themselves. What I object to is the federal government butting in and laying that heavy blanket on everyone, even overriding the wishes of individual states (communities) to do as they wish.

I don’t want to live in a county with blue laws, but people who like blue laws think it’s great and want to live there. That makes us both happy. Works for me! I like having all the prudes in one place – elsewhere.

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 7:05 pm

Stucky

Note that Daniel has joined my team. He’s covering my 6 o’clock. We are now outnumbered only 200 to 1. As with Pirate Jo, who remains in critical condition, my response is in caps to your initial post above. Do you have 911 on your speed dial?

Questions for you folks who are against making pot legal;

1) Aren’t you also the same people who complain about government intrusion in our lives?? YES.

Oh, yes you are! OK, YES AGAIN. But, I guess you’re willing to make an exception for your favorite vice that you hate. YES, I AM. THAT’S 3 YESES IN A ROW. DO I WIN?

2) Why aren’t you folks against EVERYTHING that is “bad” for you? DEFINE BAD. Why are you SO inconsistent? INCONSISTENT IS ONE OF MY STRONGER TRAITS.

As just one example, why not outlaw sugar? HAWAII AND SOUTH FLORIDA FARMERS WOULD GET VERY UPSET. Millions suffer and die from diabetes every year!! YOU NEED TO READ MORE ABOUT THE CAUSES OF DIABETES.

3) Why can’t you understand that making something illegal, usually has NEGLIGABLE effect on whether or not people continue the activity? I DON’T UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THINGS, INCLUDING WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY HERE.

Just look at the numbers provided in the article. I WROTE THE ARTICLE! WHY ARE YOU ADVISING ME TO LOOK AT SOMETHING I JUST WROTE? Millions upon millions of people do or have smoked pot. (I, myself, am a former member of the club … 30 years ago). So, I guess you’re all googoo and gaga happy that the government makes instant criminals of at least 1/3 of the population? That’s insane!! WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT OVER 100,000,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MADE INSTANT CRIMINALS(!!!) BY THE GOVERNMENT? EXPLAIN YOURSELF. FIRST, LOOK UP THE WORDS MISDEMEANOR AND FELONY. STUDY THEM CAREFULLY. NOW, GO TO THIS PRO-POT SITE, THEWEEDBLOG.ORG, AND STUDY THE STATE LAWS ABOUT USE OF MARIJUANA. THE LAWS OF ALL 50 STATES ARE THERE. STUDY THEM CAREFULLY. THEN GET BACK TO ME WITH YOUR RADICALLY REVISED CORRECTION. YOU HAVE A WEEK TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK. GET BUSY.

4) How much MORE money are you willing to piss down the drain to “win” this so-called war on drugs? DON’T HAVE AN EXACT FIGURE IN MIND, BUT IT’S BETTER THAN ROLLING OVER AND SURRENDERING. I DON’T LIKE THE IDEA OF CREATING SEVERAL MILLION MORE DRUGGED-OUT ZOMBIES RUNNING AROUND IN PUBLIC CREATING UNNECESSARY HAVOC TO THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS. IF YOU CAN CONVINCE ME THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN IF WE LEGALIZE MARIJUANA, THEN YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT. OH, YOU CAN’T DO THAT? YOU LOSE.

Facts are on MY side. WHAT FUCKING FACTS? YOU HAVEN’T PRESENTED ONE SINGLE FACT, JUST YOUR OPINION. The many billions spent on this war has been a dismal and total failure. DON’T TELL THAT TO THE DRUG KINGPINS WHO ARE EITHER IN THEIR GRAVES OR SERVING LIFE IN PRISON. Maybe another few hundred billion or so will do the trick? MAYBE. Yeah, right. Gimme a break! I WILL NOT GIVE YOU A BREAK. YOU’VE BEEN VERY MEAN TO ME.

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 7:42 pm

Pirate Jo

Didn’t I just drive a stake through your heart? Don’t make me open your coffin in broad daylight.

Here’s a story to illustrate where I’m coming from. Please try and pay attention.

Here in Tucson they just sentenced a 19-year-old kid to 8-10 years in prison for voluntary manslaughter. Seems the kid and 3 friends drove up to Mt. Lemmon for a pot party. To get to Mt. Lemmon, you have to drive 26 miles along a two-lane highway that is mostly cut out along mountain cliffs. Lots of twists and turns with a speed limit generally no more than 25 mph. The kids got higher than a kite and came flying down the mountain road at speeds some witnesses estimated at 70-80 mph (numerous cars were passed by these idiots). Sure enough, the driver (the kid who went to jail) lost control and went over a cliff. 3 critically injured, one dead. How much do you think that one incident cost in terms of emergency response teams deployed to the scene and subsequent medical care for the survivors? My guess is 6-figures minimum.

Are you still with me? Do you think this sort of thing doesn’t happen dozens of times a day? This isn’t Sparrowhawk mellowing out at home harming no one but possibly himself. This is a threat to the public. Do you think these types of incidents WON’T DRAMATICALLY INCREASE if we legalize marijuana? If you believe they won’t, you’re hopeless.

Administrator
Administrator
  SSS
August 13, 2010 8:53 pm

SSS

They could have been on Mt. Lemmon drinking Jack Daniels and did the exact same thing. I don’t see the difference between pot and whiskey.

matt
matt
August 13, 2010 8:50 pm

SSS,
Oxycotin is legal in prescription form and kids are stealing it from their parents and becoming addicied in a big way. Or worse, killing themselves with stolen meds that are easier to get than weed. My friends son got hooked on oxycotin, it was easy to get, and he ended up killing himself and devastating an entire family, boy scout troop and community. Let’s cut the crap, weed is basically harmless. As for the story about the kid wrecking the car, sounds like he would have wrecked without the weed. I will leave you with a quote from the movie Wall Street “weed is good”. Have a great weekend.

Smokey
Smokey
August 13, 2010 9:21 pm

Me and a buddy of mine planted a garden back in 1975. On government land beside an old railroad track down here in the south. Used government tools and government fertilizer. Growing a garden like that is therapeutic as hell. Just makes you feel good watching the plants grow. It was an extremely hot summer with several heavy rainfalls which made it a fucking perfect storm for growing a garden. These mother fuckers were growing so fast that we started naming each plant as we watched them grow. We harvested 33 plants.They were extremely bushy and averaged about 7 feet tall. Then we loaded them in his parent’s station wagon and took them to an old tobacco barn out in the country. We hung the plants upside down in the rafters for about two weeks to cure them. They shriveled to about one tenth the pre-cured size, which shocked us. But all that was left was golden. Let me tell you something Daddy Rabbit. I’ve burned a lot of good reefer in my time, but I’ve never had any that could touch that stuff. Fucking dynamite. I’m talking about the kind of shit you take a couple of tokes only on, and four hours later you’re are still laughing your ass off and saying silly shit. The following year we put in another garden in a different area but it didn’t grow and we got nothing. But ranking that garden experience among the most enjoyable things I’ve ever done, and it’s slightly ahead of sleeping with Charleston SC’s Junior Miss, which I did about three months later on the Carolina / Clemson football weekend.

Gemini
Gemini
August 13, 2010 9:34 pm

Wow, late to the party, gore all over the place.
That was a great article, SSS, you are well armed. It is very true that Mexican gangs control the pot trade and they are VERY dangerous. I have it on good authority they are working on getting into New England.

That being said….

If pot was legalized the trade would stop instantly. It grows friggin anywhere, if it was legal I sure as hell wouldn’t have to spend money on it anymore, I’d just stick a bunch in my flower gardens every summer or get a good light. Any one who could afford a pot to piss in could fill it with dirt and grow a plant.

The real reason you want to keep it illegal is your just a stickinthemud.

Opinionated Bloviator
Opinionated Bloviator
August 13, 2010 10:19 pm

So legalizing marijuana and taxing it won’t work because the open border policy persued by Democrats – illegal aliens vote 90% democrat and Republicans – cheap undocumented labour for business, doesn’t just bring in hard working ignorant Mexican peasants but paramilitary drug lords and all their footsoldiers as well. I can see this ending badly. My gold and silver is on all out civil war triggered by Mexico collapsing into a failed state and the economic meltdown of the United States when the next Wall Street bailout is due 2013-2015 (according to Jamie Dimon CEO JPMorgan Chase). Having said that my money is on the Iraqi and Afganistan war veterans. Bring popcorn – it will be a hell of a show.

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 10:52 pm

The gloves are off.

I’m beginning to think that a lot of the people on this site are denser than a neutron star. Useless personal opinions not backed by rational thought, useless anecdotal shit about personal experiences with marijuana, and useless comments involving skim milk, corn syrup, crappy diets, and oxycontin. You’re firing blanks, people. You’ve brought slingshots to an artillery duel. Stop making fools of yourself.

Matt

You said, “As for the story about the kid wrecking the car, sounds like he would have wrecked without the weed.” The kids went up the mountain to smoke pot and made it ok. They got blitzed on pot, came down the mountain at 70-80 miles per hour on a road designed for 25 mph, and totally wiped out. Well, I guess the only possible explanation is that they were driving a Toyota, and the accelerator got stuck. You are a fucking moron. I am reserving the word imbecile for the next victim. And that would be you…………..

Admin

They didn’t choose alcohol, they chose pot. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Take heart, though. Even lower on the totem pole is the idiot. And that would be you………

Gemini (take heart, there’s a surprise ending)

Jesus, man. Of all the ridiculous solutions to the drug problem, yours takes the cake. “If pot was legalized the trade would stop instantly. It grows friggin anywhere, if it was legal I sure as hell wouldn’t have to spend money on it anymore, I’d just stick a bunch in my flower gardens every summer or get a good light. Any one who could afford a pot to piss in could fill it with dirt and grow a plant.”

Do you really believe the federal and state governments would ever let that happen? The gobblermints would strictly control the cultivation of marijuana, just like they strictly control the tobacco and alcohol industries for the tax revenues both produce.

But, although cultivation will always be tightly regulated, you do make a very intriguing and interesting point, so I’m taking you off the moron, imbecile, and idiot lists (Matt and Admin are demoted accordingly). You are free to recommence firing.

Administrator
Administrator
  SSS
August 13, 2010 11:10 pm

SSS

Pot is illegal. They smoked it and crashed. If pot was legal, they would have smoked it and crashed. WTF don’t you understand old man?

matt
matt
August 13, 2010 11:15 pm

SSS,
I am proud to be grouped with Admin.

SSS
SSS
August 13, 2010 11:41 pm

Admin

Uh, oh. “Old man” is starting to creep into your dialogue. I’m winning.

You said, “Pot is illegal. They smoked it and crashed. If pot was legal, they would have smoked it and crashed. WTF don’t you understand old man?”

You were responding to a remark I made to Pirate Jo, in relation to the incident on Mt. Lemmon, “Do you think these types of incidents WON’T DRAMATICALLY INCREASE if we legalize marijuana?” What’s YOUR answer to my question, punk? Answer the fucking question. Pirate Jo left Dodge City hours ago.

This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Administrator
Administrator
  SSS
August 14, 2010 9:11 am

SSS

You’ll know I’m losing when I have to start trashing the CIA. If pot was legal, these dudes wouldn’t have to drive to some secluded mountain to smoke. They could sit on their front step, get high, get the munchies, and pass out.

Did alcohol usage soar after prohibition was overturned?

Bullock
Bullock
August 14, 2010 12:21 am

Damn!! I am out of pot, I think I will go drive off a mountain. Shit, we don;t have any mountains in Florida, screw it I am going to bed.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
August 14, 2010 4:09 am

SSS: “I WILL NOT GIVE YOU A BREAK. YOU’VE BEEN VERY MEAN TO ME.”

SiNJ: I could never be mean to you. It was you brought me back to TBP to defend my honor against that evil SOB Smokey. I am indebted to you, and so you have my undying love and affection … platonically speaking, of course.

==== =

SSS: “YES, I AM. THAT’S 3 YESES IN A ROW. DO I WIN?”

SiNJ: OK, lemme see if I understand this. You admit to not wanting the government to intrude in your life, and you admit you complain bitterly when you do, and you also admit you’re making exceptions to those two beliefs.

What do you win? You win a dime-bag of the best pot in NJ. Come on over and party. I mean, if you’re going to have a fucked up belief system, you might as well be fucked up.
=== =

SSS: “YOU NEED TO READ MORE ABOUT THE CAUSES OF DIABETES.”

SiNJ: You got me there. Sugar does not cause diabetes, directly. Pffffft. Big deal.

That does not change the fact that refined sugar is just this side of toxic poison. Sugar wears out the insulin response. The energy required to handle all that sugar will reduce the capacity of the immune system leading to more illness. Sugar can make you hypoglycemic and you’ll feel exactly like you just smoked a sweet mary jane …. experience dizziness and shakiness between meals, mood swings, irritability and fatigue. Sugar causes candidiasis which is an overgrowth of a dangerous yeast throughout the digestive tract, causing digestive distress, fatigue and frequent yeast infections. And as a result of all this you could become diabetic! Now your body cannot handle the slightest amount of sugar without going into shock. Sugar also prevents calcium from doing its job … that’s why teeth rot. Excessive sugar intake also wrecks havoc on the kidneys and liver.

If marijewanna caused even half the havoc that sugar does, then it would be a mandatory life sentence for users.

Sugar destroys more lives, and kills more people than hemp. You can evade the question if you want, but I’d like to know why you’re not against making sugar illegal.

===== =

SSS: “Why can’t you understand that making something illegal, usually has NEGLIGABLE effect on whether or not people continue the activity? I DON’T UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THINGS, INCLUDING WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY HERE.”

SiNJ: Holy Crap, are you stoned, or what? It’s almost as simple a sentence as, “See Dick run”

1. You want to keep pot illegal.
2. You think this will solve all sorts of problems.
3. No it will not.
4. That’s because laws cannot change a person’s heart. Only Jesus can. Laws can only punish.

I hope that helps you understand.

==== =
SSS: “WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT OVER 100,000,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MADE INSTANT CRIMINALS(!!!)”

SiNJ: Ummmmmm … from you? It’s in YOUR ARTICLE!!!
“ … and note that half of the population has at least tried marijuana once. That’s 155,000,000 people.”

You were smoking the weed when you wrote your responses … weren’t you!

==== =
SSS: “I DON’T LIKE THE IDEA OF CREATING SEVERAL MILLION MORE DRUGGED-OUT ZOMBIES RUNNING AROUND IN PUBLIC CREATING UNNECESSARY HAVOC TO THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS.”

SiNJ: When you talk about several million Zombies running around you are clearly and plainly referring to Obama voters.

The rest of us who are not need to smoke pot in order to put up with those fuckwads. How in the fuck am I supposed to put up with the Obamanistas if I can’t resort to a little toke now and then to mellow me the fuck out?? It can’t be done! This is the best argument I have for legalizing pot. I hope you and Daniel join me.

Administrator
Administrator
  StuckInNJ
August 14, 2010 9:16 am

Stuck bitch slaps SSS. Awaiting SSS’s pathetic response.

eugend66
eugend66
August 14, 2010 8:41 am

Wet dream: try to seal your southern border, gov`t turning a blind eye on pot growers,
then seal water border for certain shipments from certain countries.
Keep an eye on how land is used, so only smal growers survive.
Then cut gov`t in half, including your Homeland KGB,
then just live and let live. END

Novista
Novista
August 14, 2010 8:47 am

Do you think these types of incidents WON’T DRAMATICALLY INCREASE if we legalize marijuana? If you believe they won’t, you’re hopeless.

Uh huh. Ten years of success in Portugal says your belief is wrong. After decriminalization, usage has continued to drop. Part of that was due to the youth culture, make it illegal and they are all for it; when it’s OK, on to the next rage against the machine.

I have to wonder, though: back at the end of the 19th century, when anything was legal to buy at the local _drugstore_, why was America not totally addicted to stuff? The statistics I’ve seen point to 7% usage of various substances across the population and about 1.5% addicted. Funnily enough, that same ratio exists today on a regular basis.

I’ve smoked pot, good shit too (not free, JimQ) but I’m
just as happy with wine, beer, and pipe tobacco. If I did want some pot right now, I reckon I could find it within 15 minutes.

When I read the post, I thought, “Is this from The Onion”? but no … when I gleaned the real message, “The drug cartels will be like the Hulk: you won’t like me when I’m angry” so it’s business as usual forevermore.

Back in the mid 1930s, the agricultural cheerleaders were crowing that “we can have a billion dollar a year hemp industry soon”. And hemp does has great uses: superior paper (a certain American historical document) and fabric, etc. But 1937 … Dupont announces the first synthetic fabric, and then there was the Hearst paper connection … and it was “Reefer Madness” next.

Administrator
Administrator
  Novista
August 14, 2010 9:19 am

Novista crushes SSS. This is really getting good.

Gemini
Gemini
August 14, 2010 9:28 am

Surprise ending indeed, I winged him!!!:)
I can make my own beer and wine, there is a store that sells supplies a few miles from my house. I can find 14 million beer recipes on google. There is some homemade bourbon stout in my fridge that would floor you, about 12% alcohol. Government controls alcohol industry?

Your future of gubberment controlled production is a fantasy, I refer you back to your own argument:

“You need to rent an airplane and ask the pilot to fly you over northern Pennsylvania. While you are carefully studying that terrain, try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who is trying to discover where marijuana is being grown, or not. I think you’ll have an answer to your question when you land.”

Administrator
Administrator
August 14, 2010 10:32 am

SSS is tied in knots by Stuck, Novista and Pirate Jo

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Smokey
Smokey
August 14, 2010 10:55 am

I am dangerously close to throwing in with SSS to annihilate all of you crackheads. Stuck sent the first shot over the bow with his tactless and inappropriate comment “that evil SOB Smokey”. And the Administrator crossed the rubican long ago. Novista, Pirate Jo, Matt, Sparrowhawk, Stucky—I’m serving notice now: I will not longer stand for your insolence on this matter. Daniel deserted SSS like a fucking French soldier at war. I will be back late tonight, and it will be a fucking bloodbath. When I’m finished eviscerating you dopeheads, SSS will likely be the only one standing. Consider yourselves forewarned!!!!!!!

Legalize Now
Legalize Now
August 14, 2010 11:52 am

Jim , no one ever died smoking weed on its own. People kill people, Guns don’t kill people. Marijuana doesn’t make bad decisions, People make bad decisions. I’m beginning to wonder Jim if your doctor didn’t prescribe you some wacky meds.

SSS
SSS
August 14, 2010 3:12 pm

I love the smell of napalm in the morning. Smokey, bring that .50 caliber sniper rifle with you. The barrel on my .44 Magnum melted yesterday afternoon. Most of the combatants hightailed it off the battlefield and are hiding behind the ridge line to the west. Here’s the current conditions of this dustup. I remain unscathed.

Pirate Jo. Enamored with his new found popularity. Currently campaigning for president on a “Legalize Skim Milk” platform.

Admin. Minor flesh wounds. Reduced to calling me old man and posting funny pictures. Last seen propped up against a cottonwood tree hollering, “Medic! Medic!”

SINJ. Still in NJ. Still stuck.

Gemini. Back on the idiot list.

Novista. Just bought a round-trip ticket to Lisbon, Portugal to check out his facts. When he returns, he will enter a time machine and return to the 19th century to check out his facts. As in, who cares?

matt
matt
August 14, 2010 3:23 pm

SSS,
They are all over here at my place. We are tie-dying t-shirts and making pottery. Later on we will be weaving hemp baskets and baking hash brownies. You and Smokey are of course invited as well.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ
August 14, 2010 4:00 pm

“Legalize Skim Milk platform” — HaHa. That’s funny. Maybe he could put a picture of you on the milk carton —- “MISSING! SSS, Sad Sack Sphicter”

Bring it on Smokey. “I’ll be back.”, you say. WTF? You trying to imitate the Terminator? Just be truthful, as in, “I’m gonna run away with my tail between my legs.”

Gemini
Gemini
August 14, 2010 6:14 pm

Unscathed?

Current condition of SSS:

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I await your barrage Smokey, SSS needs you.

Administrator
Administrator
August 14, 2010 6:44 pm

SSS on an undercover mission

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Administrator
Administrator
August 14, 2010 6:48 pm

SSS experiencing the agony of defeat

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SSS
SSS
August 14, 2010 6:52 pm

Gemini and Admin

I could turn you both in for national security violations. Those were two of my best disguises when I worked for the CIA. Do you realize the damage you’ve caused to this country?

Footnote for Admin. I think that’s me on the left, but to be quite honest, I don’t remember very much about that particular mission.

Gemini
Gemini
August 14, 2010 6:52 pm

While I reload and lie in wait for Smokey…

Sparrowhawk, good for you for outing yourself, I too am a daily user and am happy to keep out of the public’s way.

And for all you thumb button pushers, your all a bunch of cowardly sacks of shit. SSS puts up a good fight. I’ve half a mind to drop a firebomb on my fellow dope fiends, and take Daniel’s spot.

Administrator
Administrator
August 14, 2010 6:56 pm

SSS’s favorite band

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Sparrowhawk
Sparrowhawk
August 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Hey, Jim, that’s my favorite band since I was a teenage girl. Soulful and great dancing.

I think if pot were legal and we could all grow it in our backyard then the government couldn’t make money on it.

As it is, it gives the government more reason to waste money and exert control over the people.

It doesn’t hurt anyone, and if we could grow it in our backyards, the evil cartels would be out of business.

Sheesh, what a bunch of stressed-out folks. Tak-A-Tok!! And chillax.