Ramblings on the Constitution

Let me preface this by saying, in no uncertain terms, that I am no constitutional scholar. Following are random – and I mean random – musings re the Constitution and its amendments, which I have taken the time to read over the last couple of days. How many of you have ever read the Constitution – start to finish? It doesn’t take long to read, and it is an interesting journey.

The preamble lays out what it is all about – to establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the people. In this, I must say that it has been a dismal failure. They are high goals indeed, but the reality is far different.

Is it just for a small percentage of the population is able to sway the elected representatives of the country to do their bidding? Do you feel tranquil and safe, given the crime, economic turmoil, and inequality that exist? Do you think that the government is providing for the common defence by its involvement in overseas war, and do you think that the rampant mismanagement of the nation’s economic situation and budget are providing for the general welfare?

Re Congress, the Constitution establishes that the role of Congress is to collect taxes, provide for the common defence, regulate commerce, to coin money and regulate value thereof. Etc., etc.

At this point I want to highlight one of the most glaring, incontrovertible, in my opinion totally inarguable unconstitutional activity that has occurred. In addition to the right of Congress to coin money, the Constitution says that States may only permit gold and silver coin to be used as tender. Please re-read that – the STATES ONLY MAY PERMIT GOLD AND SILVER COIN TO BE USE AS TENDER! This has never been amended. How can any reading of the Constitution consider fiat money as Constitutional? Why has there been no challenge? Why has no state – any state – flat out refused to accept fiat money? WHY?

Moving right along, the Constitution allows the president to fill vacancies that happen during the recess of the Senate. For me, that means if a vacancy occurs during the recess, the president can fill it. Of course, presidents have taken it to mean that they can fill vacancies – independent of when they occur – during recesses. What an over-step of the intention of the Constitution.

The Constitution guarantees trial by jury, etc. It requires 2 witnesses for the crime of treason. The 5th amendment requires the person to be indicted by a grand jury. Also, Bills of Attainder are forbidden. So, in all, just how can the president make a unilateral decision to order the death of an American citizen overseas (sounds like a Bill of Attainder to me!)? Where is the indictment? Where is the trial? Where are the witnesses? In the name of all that is holy, how can that be Constitutional?

The Constitution has the Congress chosen by the “People”. It does not define people. It just assumes everyone knows that people are white men, and it doesn’t clarify people for over a century to include women. This highlights a great flaw in Constitutional law to me – that a strict reading of the Constitution is incorrect as it does not reveal intent, and for the Constitution to be followed, intent must come into it. An example of this, where I differ with SSS, for instance, is re the first amendment which enshrines free speech. Did the Framers actually mean for this to cover paid lobbyists to lobby on behalf of the rich and the corporations? Did the right to petition actually include to lobby? Does seek redress – which normally means “To set right, remedy or rectify” actually mean to sway the Congress into making laws favourable to the rich and powerful? I think not. And the right of business to lobby has never been tested in court, to my knowledge.

The Constitution gives the power to wage war to Congress. And only to Congress. And it seemingly implies that war is only meant for defence – it talks about defending against invasion. It also talks about keeping an army – with appropriations for such required every two years. How often in the last 200 years have these things been violated? Where is there a right to wage war in other countries – at all? Where does it give the president the right to wage war without the consent of congress? The requirement of 2 years appropriations and no more seems to imply, at least, that an army shouldn’t be something that is maintained in perpetuity for defence (that would seem to majorly the purpose of militias, which is mentioned numerous times). Where do long-term military contracts come in – as that would seem to breach the appropriations clause?

The second amendment clearly gives the right to bear arms, especially for the maintenance of a militia. It seems to me that a well-equipped militia would require all manner of arms – including automatic weapons, grenades, etc. A militia is defined as “A military force of civilians to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” A militia armed with sling-shots simply wouldn’t be very effective against invasion, now would it? Banning weapons of any type seems to me to be un-Constitutional.

Here is another little titbit – the Constitution bans imposition of taxes between states. States are currently squealing like stuck pigs over this due to on-line commerce, which deprives them of their sales tax revenue. Amazon is perhaps the major player here. States are trying everything they can to circumvent the Constitution with regard to this.

The 4th amendment talks about search and seizure, and warrants. That amendment has been violated so many times it is now common practice, I would suggest. Police knock on your door – or don’t even knock – don’t identify themselves, and shoot you dad when you come to the door armed, or confront them in your house armed. Often with no consequence to the police that do the shooting.

The 6th amendment guarantees a speedy trial. What a joke – reality is far different.

The 8th amendment talks about cruel and unusual punishment and no excessive fines. That is another joke – the IRS has so many excessive fines on its books it is laughable. For instance, if you fail to advise them of an overseas bank account and how much is in it (do they really have the right to know what is in your bank accounts?), the fine is 50% of the balance of the account. Not for not paying tax – for not telling them about the account!

I understand that the Constitution is meant to allow the federal government to do what is in the Constitution – and only what is in the Constitution – and no more. The states have the right to everything else. The fact is that the federal government has grown its reach into every aspect of the daily lives of Americans.

I apologize for the rambling nature of this, and for the fact that it barely scratches the surface of so many issues. The thoughts herein are not organized but simply came from notes taken during my reading of the Constitution and its amendments. However, it seems to me that the Constitution has never been an actual working document. The corruption of politicians and police, the buying of favor, has existed forever, and continues unabated. The rights of the people with regard to search and seizure, the right of non-self-incrimination (the IRS requires you to self-incriminate, for instance, and will use that against you in a criminal case), the right to trial by jury and habeas corpus, the right to petition, assemble and free speech, the right to coined money comprised of gold and silver, to keep and bear arms, et al, have been either ignored or entirely abandoned. And now, the highest court in the land has become politicized beyond redemption.

Does the Constitution really have a place anymore, and did it ever? It is a wonderful document – stirring even. But I have to say it is largely a work of fiction, as it isn’t in force. Perhaps the people will seize the day and make it what it may have been – a guide book for freedom and prosperity. But somehow, I think the opportunity has passed. I encourage everyone to take the hour or two required and read it start to finish. It is quite something.

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MuckAbout
MuckAbout
July 31, 2012 8:35 pm

You’re a good man, LLPOH. You have honored me in the past and may I return the favor to you now. What you write is both true and inspirational. It’s just a bloody shame that TPTB pay no attention to the truths you bring forward and the MSM is paid to ignore them.

I find the older I get, the more a fundamental Constitutionalist I become. Those guys pulled off an unbelievable feat way back during the Constitutional Convention and I’d wager that the dullest of the members thereof were smarter than the smartest of current Congressmen we have now.

If not smarter, they were damn sure greater Statesmen and were thinking of only what they wanted to build – and they did it at 100% risk to life, limb and fortune.

We have no one like that to speak for us today.

Thanks, LLPOH.. Great piece.

MA

No Field Five
No Field Five
July 31, 2012 8:38 pm

How about the Commerce clause? The intent of this was to keep commerce “regular” between the states, thus avoiding tariff wars between states. How could anyone in their right mind (unless his intent was much more nefarious) infer that “regulating” commerce could be construed as having the government FORCE a private citizen to buy a product from favored private companies?

ThePessimisticChemist
ThePessimisticChemist
July 31, 2012 8:48 pm

The Constitution is what we should aspire to, for we have never come close to actually fillings its potential.

This country should have been the greatest the world has ever seen, instead it will go down as a mere footnote. Fuck people and their uncontrollable greed.

AWD
AWD
July 31, 2012 8:58 pm

Nice work Lipoh, I agree with most of your points. Progressives have no use for the constitution, and their moral relativism removes all the tenets that this country was founded on and what made us successful. The rule of law is meaningless for those with their tentacles and puppet strings controlling the criminals in Washington. And, we race toward collapse. We might be resurrected once the progressives are swinging from piano wire and we can restore the values instilled in the constitution and bill of rights.

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No Field Five
No Field Five
July 31, 2012 9:01 pm

@LLPOH – I can’t remember where I read that (guess I need to go back and re-read – Federalist Papers?), but I recall that this was the common terminolgy of the time. As in “A well-regulated militia” was understood to mean well-trained and regular, NOT regulated by the government.

No Field Five
No Field Five
July 31, 2012 9:06 pm

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No Field Five
No Field Five
July 31, 2012 9:08 pm

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Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
July 31, 2012 10:39 pm

Great comments llpoh.

The problem with the Constitution is that it is a victim of its own success. What I mean is that this magnificent document provided a foundation for a form of government that allowed a country to reach the greatest prosperity for the greatest number of people in human history.

And there in lies the problem. There was sooo much wealth created, and wealth for wealth’s sake became the ultimate goal for many, that it allowed for also the greatest amount of corruption for the greatest number of people in human history.

The level of corruption and greed is so great that it has acheived a life of its own, a certain momentum of Evil whose course I am not sure can be altered without a ginormous collapse.

I remain hopeful that there are enough people out there like llpoh (and others) that understand and revere this document enough to try to put it back into practice after TSHTF.

llpoh
llpoh
July 31, 2012 10:42 pm

Thanks Hope.

Here is a link to an article re Obama’s “license to kill”. No justifacation or legal opinion has ever been released supporting his contention he has the right to oreder the deaths of Americans abroad.

Congress Wants to See Obama’s “License to Kill”

Hollow man
Hollow man
July 31, 2012 10:44 pm

Read “The 5000 Year Leap” it explains very well the intent of the founders. It also explains why we need to start over. The Judges book also does a great job Its called dangerous to be right when the goverment is wrong.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
July 31, 2012 11:46 pm

You’re right, llpoh…. It is very straight reading. It is the interpretations over time…. and the key words thrown around there is “by REASONABLE” standards. So volumes of decision…. all “reasoned” is left to a subjective analysis by people in a paradigm.

These shift, and entire philosophies behind the “reason” undertaken is discarded. That interpretation of the Constitution is made through any other philosophy but “Natural Law” is the evidence of the phenomenon.

How many “Natural Law” Juris Doctors are there in the highest court?

The fixing of “circuit” judges to single jurisdiction, the limitation of representatives, the direct influence of a state’s popular vote on the electoral college, the delegation of Congressional responsibility to external bodies, direct election of Senators… all being chips at the block… are nothing compared to the influence of the Treaty on our governance.

When congress ratifies a treaty, much can be done away with. Korea? The “Police Action” where the president did his job under the U.N. Treaty. “Declaring War” is basically against that treaty’s law. Whooping unruly members of the world community into line? That’s fulfilling the treaty’s mandate.

Teddy Roosevelt enforced the first drug laws by that very means.

Most “conflicts” the same. Congress ratifies a treaty and funds its obligation.

Good post. There’s a lot to it…. Our very big brains with the capacity to make simple things complex will do us all in.

dilligaf
dilligaf
August 1, 2012 12:57 am

the foundation of the current state of things was laid in 1913.

while most argue it was the 16th amendment, i believe the 17th amendment was the death nail.

nice ramblings llpoh.

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
August 1, 2012 1:10 am

@llpoh:

I know about that. The killing of Al-Awaki, while an odious person advocating odious things, was the Moment of Death for the Republic for me.

This guy was ASSASSINATED by the fed.gov. No due process, no habeas corpus, no military tribunal, no civil/criminal indictment. He ran a web site, for the love of Pete, and was never directly tied to terrorism or a terrorist act.

The rationale is for killing him is that the fed.gov couldn’t catch him. Yes, OMG, WTF.

Un-fucking-believable.

And here you had all the lefties/libtards/progs during the Bush years screaming about cell phone conversations POSSIBLY being wire-tapped.

Fucking hypocrites. Obama et al have murdered hundreds of civilians on the AfPak border with drones, for fuck’s sake. Relations are so bad with Pakistan, the ONLY Muslim nation with nuclear weapons, that resupply to the troops still in theatre has been jeopardized. And we have the NDAA and a slew of EOs giving the Executive Branch unprecedented power and control under King Obama.

And were is the outrage from the Code Pinkies, the anti-war crowd, the MSM???? Fuck me, they screamed themselves blue in the face over Bush/Cheney, mere PIKERS compared to the Obama Gang.

Crickets, to the sound of the Constitution and the Rule of Law being flushed down the toilet.

Fuckity Fuck Fuck Fuck.

We. Are. Doomed.

llpoh
llpoh
August 1, 2012 1:22 am

Hope – they are killing Americans with no due process whatsoever, and refuse to release anything which 1) defends the legality of so doing, or 2) is evidence of the victims criminal activity, witnesses thereof, et el.

The Constitution had as one of its center-points that those things should not happen, as those very things were being done by the British to the colonials, and the Framers wanted to make sure their new nation never had to endure such things. They would be spinning in their graves right now.

Bubba
Bubba
August 1, 2012 7:46 am

It’s Hip! It’s Cool! It’s Libertarianism!

Chicago999444
Chicago999444
August 1, 2012 9:37 am

Shall we follow the “intent” of men who meant to exclude my sex, while still holding members of it fully responsible for their crimes?

Sorry, but NOTHING gives anyone the right to deprive me of my rights because I’m female-something I had no choice about, by the way.

And let’s define a” right”. When I hear males say that they “gave” or “granted” women their rights, I say THIS: Your rights cannot be given to you, because you always had them. A right is that which can only be taken from you by force, like my right to live, make a living, keep my money, decide how to allocate it, and control my own reproductive organs, make a contract and enforce one, or participate in civil life.. Nobody “gave” me those rights, I always had them, but they were taken from me and my kind by brute force for 5000 years. These rights do NOT include the right to mooch off the public, or live without working, or in other ways violate the rights of others, by the way.

Novista
Novista
August 1, 2012 9:55 am

llpoh

a most valuable post. Food for thought. I will partake of same.

Wyoming Mike
Wyoming Mike
August 1, 2012 11:11 am

Thank you LLPOH. Actually, the Constitution is my favorite topic to write about. All government evil can be refuted by it, and the only way to fix this mess is to return to it. Well written.

FBD
FBD
August 1, 2012 11:16 am

What POWER does the Constitution give to the National Government?

Surprisingly, it lists only 24.

Powers delegated to U.S. (National) Government:

(1) Exclusive powers

(1) To lay and collect import duties.

(2) To pay the debts of the U.S. Government.

(3) To regulate commerce with foreign nations and Indian Tribes.

(4) To regulate commerce among the States.

(5) To regulate immigration.

(6) To establish a uniform rule of naturalization.

(7) To establish uniform laws on bankruptcy throughout the United States.

(8) To coin money and regulate its value and that of foreign coin, and to issue bills of credit.

(9) To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States.

(10) To fix the standard of weights and measures.

(11) To provide and regulate postal services.

(12) To establish protection for intellectual property, including patent, copyright, and trademark rights.

(13) To constitute lower national courts.

(14) To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the laws of nations.

(15) To declare war, authorize warlike activities by other than the armed forces, and make rules concerning captures.

(16) To raise, support and regulate the armed forces.

(17) To govern what part of the Militia shall be employed in the service of the United States.

(18) To exercise general Legislation[9] over federal ground, which is limited to federal territories and districts, land purchased from states with the consent of their legislatures, U.S. flag vessels on the high seas, and the grounds of U.S. embassies abroad.

(19) To guarantee a republican form of government to the States.

(20) To enter into a treaty, alliance, or confederation with a foreign state.

(21) To declare the punishment for treason.

(22) To prescribe the manner in which the acts, records, and judicial proceedings of each state shall be proved to other states and what should be done about them.

(23) To admit new states into the Union.

(24) To make laws necessary and proper for executing the powers delegated to the U.S. government

Therefore, every other power the gub’mint has is unconstitutional. Right?

http://constitution.org/powright.htm

FBD
FBD
August 1, 2012 11:26 am

I was/am curious as to the first time ever the Constitution was violated.

More specifically, I was interested in which President was the first to violate the Constitution.

So, I googled. Amazing results. Almost all the results on the first few pages referenced ……………. either Abe Lincoln or Obama.

Funny shit, that.

I still don’t know the answer. My “gut” feel is that the Constitution was first violated within just a year or two of its publishing.

AKAnon
AKAnon
August 1, 2012 11:32 am

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the People.” Just in case FBD’s point wasn’t clear enough, the framers reiterated in the Bill of Rights.

Administrator
Administrator
  AKAnon
August 1, 2012 12:27 pm

The Constitution is a written instrument. As such, its meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted, it means now. South Carolina v. United States, 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905)

FBD
FBD
August 1, 2012 12:04 pm

I’m pretty sure this is unconstitutional.
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“In Camp Pendleton, California, the Marine Corp have created a law-enforcement battalion (ELB) consisting of specialized military police officers (SMP) that will be deployed to assist in investigating crimes dealing with drug trafficking, train security and terrorism.

The ELBs contain an estimated 500 SMPs and trained dogs. While capitalizing on their investigative and police training, they will take the role of current street cops while still remaining part of the Marine Corp.”

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Specialized_Military_Police_Deployed_in_America_During_Civil_Unrest/20795/0/0/0/Y/M.html

Anonymous
Anonymous
August 1, 2012 12:35 pm

I have The Constitution on my I Phone and The Declaration of Independence. I am currently working on a book based on my discovery of some old family letters by individuals who were prominent in the American Revolution and the forming of the nation. They would be appalled by the abandonment by our current political class of the principles for which they fought. And by the way, these letters, mainly from husband to wife, reveal that these men really had principles. Two of the individuals involved, wealthy men, had their properties burned and ransacked by the British and knew that capture would mean death. Undeclared wars serving only a corrupt elite, the creation of money as debt to private interests via the Federal Reserve (think of European royalty), a capricious legal system where issues are dragged on for years and can only be resolved at great expense, it seems are government has come to embody the injustices the Constitution was written to prevent. We are losing our prosperity and our freedom, I believe, because we have abandoned the document upon which our government is based. Abominations like the NDAA and the various executive “findings” that supposedly trump the Constitution are a profound betrayal of America. Every day as economic conditions deteriorate and more lies emanate from Washington we are witnessing the results.

John Coster
John Coster
August 1, 2012 12:39 pm

Forgot to add my name to the comment. Much as I’d rather just remain anonymous to the SOBs
in Washington, that would pretty much undercut the message.

Wyoming Mike
Wyoming Mike
August 1, 2012 12:40 pm

The important thing to remember is that it wasn’t written for lawyers and bureaucratic assholes. It isn’t full of hidden meanings. It doesn’t “evolve”. It was written by the people, FOR THE PEOPLE. If it says you need a warrant for a search, that’s what it means. No lawyer necessary.

My favorite is “CONgress shall make NO LAW abridging the freedom of speech.” Yet the asshole legislators beat on that daily. It’s pretty !@#$%ing clear to me. What part of NO LAW don’t these douchebags not understand?

Wyoming Mike
Wyoming Mike
August 1, 2012 12:40 pm

understand. Oops.

Llpoh
Llpoh
August 1, 2012 5:14 pm

Thanks all. I agree with the folks that are saying that it’s meaning doesn’t change. However, some things are so vague with regard to what they meant that it is important to know their intent. The commerce clause seems to be a good example. And in those cases the judiciary takes extreme liberties, example being Obamacare.

Hollow man
Hollow man
August 1, 2012 11:59 pm

Chicago 999444, iagree with you, your rights always werethere. No human should be able to take them away. The founders state so. They also were not perfect.