Who the fuck knows? I certainly don’t. Maybe Muck can check with his sources and give us the answer. I can’t imagine that Obama would be supportive of oil prices going up to $150 a barrel just before the election. Is Netanyahu that crazy? He strikes me as a prick, but not crazy.
Netanyahu ‘Determined to Attack Iran’ Before U.S. Elections, Israeli News Says
Posted on Aug 25, 2012
Abode of Chaos (CC BY 2.0) |
Israel’s Channel 10 reported this week that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “is determined to attack Iran before the U.S. elections” and that Israel is now “closer than ever” to a military strike intended to foil Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
The station’s military reporter said Netanyahu was unlikely to wait for a potential meeting with President Barack Obama in late September. “I doubt Obama could say anything that would convince Netanyahu to delay a possible attack,” the reporter added, before saying that Netanyahu and Israel’s defense minister believe Obama would be pressured to support an attack given the U.S. presidential elections in November.
Ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern earlier stressed the possibility of such an attack.
—Posted by Alexander Reed Kelly. Follow him on Twitter: @areedkelly.
The Times of Israel:
The TV station’s military reporter Alon Ben-David, who earlier this year was given extensive access to the Israel Air Force as it trained for a possible attack, reported that, since upgraded sanctions against Iran have failed to force a suspension of the Iranian nuclear program in the past two months, “from the prime minister’s point of view, the time for action is getting ever closer.”
Asked by the news anchor in the Hebrew-language TV report how close Israel now was to “a decision and perhaps an attack,” Ben-David said: “It appears that we are closer than ever.”
I like the new term ‘Insanians’… along the same lines, during the Olympics I heard one of the babbling idiots misspeak about the Israeli team, calling them ‘Israelians’ (Israel/aliens). There was an extended uncomfortable silence on air but I was laughing my ass off and have decided to use the term from here on out. Fuck the joos and their warmongering.
Folks, do NOT believe the bullshit being spread by HZK.
Think about it. She wants to bomb Iran based on what SHE believes OTHERS believe!!! “I think you think this, so I better bomb you.” Is this not sheer lunacy? Yes, it is.
Think about this example. USA is dominated by Christian beliefs, which hasthe book of Revelation, which teaches that Jesus is coming back, but first the earth must be virtually destroyed. Ronald Reagan even joked about Armageddon. Keeping in mind we are the only nation to haved nuked another country … why shouldn’t Russia go ahead and nuke us crazy religionists? That’s exactly what HZK is saying.
Besides, what evidence does she have that the Mullah rulers sincerely believe the religious nonsense they spew? None. In fact, I’m betting the “Twelfth Imam” fables serve the identical purpose that Christian fables serve …………. to control the people, to have power over them via fear and hatred.
Even George Carlin realized this. To bad HZK can’t stop watching Fox News.
Here is something to think about, for those who are capable of doing it. The reason the Iranian people accepted the theocracy in the first place was to prevent their daughters from growing up like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton or Madonna. That is how evil they are.
I believe that most Iranians, like most humans are decent people. On occasion I correspond with a few Iranian amateur astronomers. Vast areas of Iran are largely uninhabited. Areas that are sparsely inhabited are rarely modernized. I’m always envious of their astonishingly dark skies. With no light pollution for hundreds of miles in any direction, it must be spectacular!
I wish we could permanently chain together all of the political and religious extremists in the world so that they are forced to work together or perish. I really don’t give a shit what happens to them actually, as long as the rest of us can be left to live our lives in peace.
I_S
PS Cut HZK some slack. She is just fed up with the bullshit as we all are. Even I have considered turning the entire ME into a sheet of glass at one time or another. If we had a honest media doing their job of informing the population, then perhaps we could all form better opinions and decisions.
Zara, you right wing evangelical nut.
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Support the sluts in getting out the pro-uterus vote.This Republic cannot survive without the freedom to purge a uterus when one is two stupid to use free birth control.
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Those evil fucking Iranians. How dare they!!
“Iran opens nonaligned summit with calls for nuclear arms ban.
TEHRAN, Iran — Iran opened a world gathering of self-described nonaligned nations Sunday with a slap at the U.N. Security Council and an appeal to rid the world of nuclear weapons, even as Tehran faces Western suspicions that it is seeking its own atomic bombs.
Iran seeks to use the weeklong gathering — capped by a two-day summit of Non-Aligned Movement leaders — as a showcase of its global ties and efforts to challenge the influence of the West and its allies. Among those expected to attend include U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the prime minister of India, Manmohan Singh, whose nation remains an important Iranian oil customer as Tehran battles Western sanctions over its nuclear program.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-opens-nonaligned-summit-with-calls-for-nuclear-arms-ban/2012/08/26/4c363ec2-ef63-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_story.html
My dear child, Bizzaro World
I heard your prayer request, “Who did Jesus ever bomb?”
Good question. The answer is “nobody”. Yet.
But my prophet pal, Zechariah, made this prediction (which I inspired, of course); “the flesh of every one shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall melt in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.”
What does that sound like to ya? Huh? That’s right. The A-bomb. Most people can’t wait until I return. But they wouldn’t if they realized how fucking pissed off I am.
Iran will be the 80th country I nuke. (I’m going alphabetically as it appears in wikipedia). My people, the Joos, are 83rd. Anyway, hope that answers your question.
I AM Peace and Love,
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PS; If you don’t stop wacking off ten times a day, your weenie will consume away in its socket. And it won’t be my fault either.
Where the evil doers and vigilantes proclaim to be doing Gods work by killing one another.
May they one day succeed and allow the peaceful the sanity they have so longed for and require.
I AM Peace and Love,
Your a hypocrite that gets off by peeping into peoples bedrooms and proclaiming that you are doing Gods work when they fact is you are looking for young nude children. Go back to your Bizarro World Satan.
“HZK and SSS agree that Iran will be bombed by Israel.”
—-AWD
I didn’t say that, AWD. I said “Israel will strike IF it has solid intelligence that Iran’s nuclear program is nearing fruition. It has done so in the past to Iraq and Syria, and it will do so again.”
Let me add this. Israel will NOT tip its hand to the U.S. beforehand if it decides to strike Iran. It didn’t do so with Iraq when Reagan was president, and it didn’t do so with Syria when Bush Jr was president. With Obummer in office and Netanyahu not exactly his best buddy, you can take it to the bank that Israel will run a strike against Iran in a unilateral, total blackout mode. The U.S. will find out after the first Israeli bunker busters hit the nuclear facilities.
One more thing. This whole mess is between Israel and Iran. All the weeping and gnashing of teeth won’t make it go away. And there’s NOT ONE FUCKING THING the U.S. can do to stop it, whatever “it” turns out to be.
The Real Deal (a.k.a Fake Jesus Hypocrite)
I’m sorry I gave you shit for brains.
What me and my Dad (JHVH) think about you;
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SSS
Pray tell … what is “solid intelligence”? Isn’t that the same as “bullshit propoganda”?
Many in Israel … including high ranking GENERALS … do not believe Iran is a threat. Will Netanjerkoff believe THAT intel? No. He’ll believe whatever bullsit intel suits his own desire to bomb.
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How do you know Israel did not inform Reagan regarding Iraq? You are somehow aware of EVERY communication between two heads of state??
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The shortest route from Israel to Iran is across Iraq. So I guess the Joo planes will cross Iraq unimpeded by US warplanes? Is that what you’re saying? Other routes will require mid air refueling … and I don’t believe Israel has that capability … plus they’d have to avoid air defenses of other countries. Or, maybe they’ll fly up the Gulf without any of our aircraft carriers there noticing, or caring? Yup. All sounds pretty plausible to me.
“US or Israel, the only two powers on the planet left to kick some righteous ass.” — HZK
We’re Number One!!
We’re Number One!!
We’re Number One!!
I guess the other two countries aligned with Iran don’t count. One has thousands of nukes. The other has hundreds of nukes and a billion plus people.
Russia and China. Bunch of pussies we don’t have to worry about.
We’re Number One!!
We’re Number One!!
We’re Number One!!
“Bombing does not equal invading” — HZK
Jeebus Effing Krist.
Jim!! Admin!! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can argue with illogic. I can not argue with stupid. I’m done. You take over … if you dare.
HZK writes “If you think the Insanians run such a great country, go live there. Let us all know how wonderful I’m sure it will be.”
Truthfully I’m tempted. Wonderful friendly english-speaking (in urban areas) people. The IRS and other manifestations of the US police state can’t touch you there. Watching with a combination of horror and fascination, the complete destruction of the US economy and society from the balcony of an airy bungalow overlooking the Caspian Sea wouldn’t be the worst fate.
PS, If you think it is even possible for Iran to dismantle its’ nuclear program you are delusional. This isn’t Iraq or Syria. Iran has multiple nuclear reactors currently in operation in four cities, not to mention its’ perfectly legal mines and enrichment facilities. Israel is just going to have to learn to live with it. Should one day they actually work on acquiring a weapon, we will know about it almost immediately.
A thinking person understands that the sanctions and Likud and neocon warmongering has nothing to do with Iran’s nuclear development but rather it is intended to weaken Iran both politically and economically with the ultimate aim of splitting it into several smaller nations based on ethnicity, just as they are doing in Syria and essentially did in Iraq.
“@SSS: The nuclear facilities are a hard target, the oil refineries are not.”
—-Hope
Thanks for the info. After spending 24 years in the Air Force and specializing in air-land warfare, I would have never guessed that.
Israel will not spend its precious, limited military resources going after Iranian oil refineries, regardless of how “easy” it would be to go after such soft targets. Israel will hit the nuke facilities, which are THE threat. Period.
And it will use everything it has to destroy those targets. Air-to-air fighters, air-to-ground fighters, aerial tankers, Wild Weasels (to neutralize Iranian ground-to-air defenses), AWACs (Airborne Warning and Control aircraft), drones, decoys, you name it. Everything but the kitchen sink will be launched if it is useful in accomplishing the mission.
And you can bet Netanyahu has already been briefed, thoroughly. If he switches on the green light, it’s over. A done deal. As Admin likes to say, “Look out below!!!!”
SSS
Do you believe there will be any unintended consequences from attacking Iran?
Do you believe it will benefit the American people?
Do you believe attacking Iran will make the American people safer?
Do you believe attacking Iran will benefit our economy?
I’d love to hear your thoughts.
Iran as HZK wants you to see it.
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Fact is … BOTH are correct. But that wouldn’t fit HZK’s agenda of hate and fear.
“Bombing does not equal invading” — HZK
Who did Jesus bomb or invade or kill or maim or cause to be ill?
“Math! It’s so fucking hard to understand!” — HZK
“Math! It’s so fucking hard to understand!” — HZK
“200 is greater than 0” — FBD
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All numbers are infinite.
FBD
Answers to your questions in caps.
Pray tell … what is “solid intelligence”? WHATEVER ISRAELI OFFICIALS DETERMINE IT TO BE. IF THOSE OFFICIALS BELIEVE THE INTELLIGENCE IS GOOD ENOUGH TO ATTACK, THEY WILL. AND YOU CAN BE DAMN WELL CERTAIN THAT THEY WILL NOT SHARE ANY OF THE DETAILS AFTER THEY DO ATTACK.
Many in Israel … including high ranking GENERALS … do not believe Iran is a threat. SO WHAT? Will Netanjerkoff believe THAT intel? No. He’ll believe whatever bullsit intel suits his own desire to bomb. AGAIN, SO WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU OR OBUMMER OR ANYONE ELSE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT EXCEPT MOUTH OFF?
How do you know Israel did not inform Reagan regarding Iraq? You are somehow aware of EVERY communication between two heads of state?? IF ISRAEL DID INFORM REAGAN, IT’S STILL CLASSIFIED, SO I DON’T KNOW FOR SURE. ISRAEL DID NOT TELL BUSH ABOUT THE SYRIA ATTACK. THAT’S BEEN CONFIRMED PUBLICALLY.
The shortest route from Israel to Iran is across Iraq. I ALREADY SAID THAT WITH MY FIRST COMMENT. So I guess the Joo planes will cross Iraq unimpeded by US warplanes? YES. Is that what you’re saying? YES. Other routes will require mid air refueling … and I don’t believe Israel has that capability. ISRAEL HAS SEVEN KC-135 AERIAL REFUELING TANKERS, MORE THAN ENOUGH TO SUPPORT A MASSIVE STRIKE FORCE GOING INTO IRAN.
Netayahoo needs to be silenced, he is such a dick. My predicition: no one does shit, end of story. I hope that’s not too boring.
Bizzaro World
Are you eating Chinese fortune cookies? You’re answers sure sound like it.
Trying stringing along, oh, 3 or 4 sentences in a row. You might like it.
SSS
Thanks for your answers. I still disagree. It is inconceivable to me that Israel would, or could, pull this off on their own.
As you said — what can we do about it? Nothing. And why is that? Because Israel has nukes. You can’t bully a country with nukes.
And THAT, sir, is the real reason for wanting to bomb Iran. It has nothing to do with them being crazy enough to launch one or two nukes against Israel with 200+ nukes. It has everything to do with controlling them, to get them to do what WE and Israel want them to do, without fear of reprisal.
SSS says “and the Jordanian Air Force will sit on its hands”. He mis-spelled sit, I think.
Z says: “When Ahmedinejad talks about ending the zionist regime, he isn’t talking to the zionist regime but rather to his own base.” Maybe that is true. However, when someone threatens to annihilate you or kill you, may be it is wise to take them seriously. A lot of folks have died making the assumption that the commenters were not serious.
I agree with SSS’s position on this thing – Israel/Netanyahu will do what ever it is he wants based on however he interprets the intel. US will have no part to play before the fact, and needs to stay the hell out of it.
Again, many lives have been lost interpretting intel incorrectly. If Iran gets the bomb, and Israel decides that they will not use it, and are wrong, they are history. So, I suspect that they will er on the side of not being history. They as a group decided Hitler was not serious, and the rsult was catastrophic. Their psyches have been formed by this error in judgement, and I do not think they will take too many risks re Iran getting the bomb.
But not my business – they will do what they think best for themselves, and the rest of the world will have to deal with that when the time comes.
llpoh
What is the probability — in your humble opinion — that the United States will “stay the hell out of it”?
Me … I’m guessing 0.
HZK
As soon as WE remove the insane leaders of Iran all will be well.
Where have I heard that before?
Do you even realize you are are Cheney-Wolfowitz-Rumsfeld Neo-Con?
You rail against deficit spending and the evil and incompetence of our government and in the next breath you want to spend another $3 trillion on a war with Iran waged by an incompetent military machine that has already lost two wars in the Middle East in the last ten years.
You rationalize the existence of nukes in Pakistan and North Korea with some bullshit rationale. Why the fuck don’t we bomb the shit out of the Pakis and the Koreans?
You continually trip over your ridiculous arguments and claim you aren’t putting forth the same solutions as the Cheney gang.
You’re a pip.
I dont like jew bashing or Christian bashing.But if i met you i would do skull bashing.
They dont spend billions positioning men and ships for knothing.Well then again the government is run badly.
The obama Iran war would be a great diversion from all our problems,before the other problems start.
I still say it well happen soon for the resulting fuel spikes and riots wich enable martial law and Obama staying in power.It would also give him unlimited powers to change things.What more could he want?
Admin
It’s about goddamn time you showed up here. Why do I always have to do the heavy lifting?
FBD
Avalon made me go to the YMCA to work out. Sorry that I’m trying to live a couple years longer.
“@Admin: No, neither the NKs nor the Pakistanis should have nuclear weapons. Those governments are also headed by certifiable nutcases.” -hzk
At least they are certifiable. Our leader doesn’t even have a real birth certificate to show us.
Not trying to misdirect here, but our leaders are none better than the worst on the planet.
The strong over the weak… the strong all act the same and the weak all follow the same.
Human nature?
Nah. Mother nature.
Admin at the Y:
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FBD – I have no idea if the US will stay out or not. No reason the couldn’t. Just say no.
Thank god our beloved Ally Israel treats people equally and justly, unlike those vicious Iranians.
The Rise of Settler Terrorism in the West Bank
August 16, 2012| News | John Glaser
From Foreign Affairs:
According to UN investigations, in 2011, extremist settlers launched almost 300 attacks on Palestinian property, causing over 100 Palestinian casualties and destroying or damaging about 10,000 trees of Palestinian farmers. The UN has also reported that violent incidents against Palestinians have proliferated, rising from 200 attacks in 2009 to over 400 in 2011. The spike in assaults on Palestinians by settlers has come despite the fact that over the same period, Palestinian terrorism fell dramatically.
…The Israeli government does not support or condone settler violence, but it has failed to adequately combat it. Soldiers have been known to look on as violence occurs, and they sometimes do not aggressively seek the perpetrators after the fact. According to Yesh Din, an Israeli human rights organization, of 781 incidents of settler abuse monitored since 2005, Israeli authorities closed the cases on over 90 percent of them without indictment.
Perhaps there is an argument to be made that the fact that Israeli authorities systematically ignore and pardon settler violence doesn’t necessarily equate “support” for it. But that is a weak argument. And it’s even weaker when you consider that Israeli policy purposely incentivizes Israelis to live in the West Bank. Under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ‘s policies over the last three years tens of thousands more Israelis have moved into the West Bank, causing the Jewish population in Palestinian territory to increase by 18 percent to more than 342,000 at the end of 2011. Israeli spending on these illegal settlements has hit a two-decade high of $1.1 billion. This, while Tel Aviv is well aware of the rise in settler violence.
That certainly sounds like support to me.
http://antiwar.com/blog/page/2/
If I recall correctly, we bombed the fuck out of Serbia for doing this shit.
John Glaser, reporter for Anti-war News blog. Gee, and I bet he hasn’t got a slanted viewpoint.
For fuck sake, Z, don’t you vet your sources? Or do you just hide them?
llpoh, I agree. Foreign Affairs is a highly biased publication.
Sorry Z – I see you do post your source – antiwar.com, at the end. My bad.
So I will just ridicule you for using such a slanted source.
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Hope – Sorry, Iran is a sovereign nation and we’ve been fucking with them for 60 years. If someone stole your lunch money every day for 60 YEARS you might be a little pissed too. Also, how would they get it here – the Nina, Pinta, or Santa Maria??
Gotta get back to pissing off Republicans. Love to all.
llpoh, don’t be a fucking idiot. Glaser is a journalist and antiwar.com does publish his opinion pieces. He is also a staffer and they also publish lots of shit from other sources. Put on your glasses and look closely:
The Rise of Settler Terrorism in the West Bank
August 16, 2012| News | John Glaser
From Foreign Affairs:
Apology accepted.
PS, Antiwar.com is a wonderful site. Ron Paul tells his staffers to read it daily.
Guest Post: The Endless War: Saudi Arabia Goes On The Offensive Against Iran
Submitted by Felix Imonti of OilPrice.com,
Saudi Arabia has gone on the offensive against Iran to protect its interests. Their involvement in Syria is the first battle in what is going to be a long bloody conflict that will know no frontiers or limits.
Ongoing Disorders in the island kingdom of Bahrain since February of 2011 have set off alarm bells in Riyadh. The Saudis are convinced that Iran is directing the protests and fear that the problems will spill over the twenty-five kilometer long COSWAY into oil rich Al-Qatif, where The bulk of the two million Shia in the kingdom are concentrated. So far, the Saudis have not had to deal with demonstrations a serious as those in Bahrain, but success in the island kingdom could encourage the protestors to become more violent.
Protecting the oil is the first concern of the government. Oil is the sole source of the national wealth and it is managed by the state owned Saudi Aramco Corporation. The monopoly of political power by the members of the Saud family means that all of the wealth of the kingdom is their personal property. Saudi Arabia is a company country with the twenty-eight million citizens the responsibility of the Saud Family rulers.
The customary manner of dealing with a problem by the patriarchal regime is to bury it in money. King Abdullah announced at the height of the Arab Spring that he was increasing the national budget by 130 billion dollars to be spent over the coming five years. Government salaries and the minimum wage were raised. New housing and other benefits are to be provided. At the same time, he plans to expand the security forces by sixty thousand men.
While the Saudi king seeks to sooth the unrest among the general population by adding more government benefits, he will not grant any concessions to the eight percent of the population that is Shia. He takes seriously the warning by King Abdullah of Jordan back in 2004 of the danger of a Shia Crescent that would extend from the coast of Lebanon to Afghanistan. Hezbollah in Lebanon, Assad in Syria, and the Shia controlled government of Iraq form the links in the chain.
When the Arab Spring reached Syria, the leaders in Riyadh were given the weapon to break the chain. Appeals from tribal leaders under attack in Syria to kinsmen in the Gulf States for assistance could not be ignored. The various blinks between the Gulf States in several Syrian tribes means that Saudi Arabia and its close ally Qatar have connections that include at least three million people out of the Syrian populations of twenty-three million. To show how deep the bonds go, the leader of the Nijris Tribe in Syria is married to a woman from the Saud Family.
It is no wonder that Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal said in February that arming the Syrian rebels was an “excellent idea.” He was supported by Qatari Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani who said, “We should do whatever necessary to help [the Syrian opposition], including giving them weapons to defend themselves.” The intervention has the nature of a family and tribal issue that the prominent Saudi cleric Aidh al-Qarni has turned into a Sunni-Shia War by promoting Assad’s death.
The Saudis and their Qatar and United Arab Emirate allies have pledged one hundred million dollars to pay wages to the fighters. Many of the officers of the Free Syrian Army are from tribes connected to the Gulf. In effect, the payment of wages is paying members of associated tribes.
Here, the United States is not a welcomed partner, except as a supplier of arms. Saudi Arabia sees the role of the United States limited to being a wall of steel to protect the oil wealth of the Kingdom and the Gulf States from Iranian aggression. In February of 1945, President Roosevelt at a meeting in Egypt with Abdel Aziz bin Saud, the founder of modern Saudi Arabia, pledged to defend the kingdom in exchange for a steady flow of oil.
Since those long ago days when the U.S. was establishing Pax Americana, the Saudis have lost their trust in the wisdom or the reliability of American policy makers. The Saudis urged the U.S. not to invade Iraq in 2003 only to have them ignore Saudi interests in maintaining an Iraqi buffer zone against Iran. The Saudis had asked the U.S. not to leave a Shia dominated government in Baghdad that would threaten the Northern frontier of the Kingdom, only to have the last American soldiers depart in December 2011. With revolution sweeping across the Middle East, Washington abandoned President Mubarak of Egypt, Saudi Arabia’s favorite non royal leader in the region.
Worried by the possibility of Iranian sponsored insurrections among Shia in the Gulf States, the Saudis are asserting their power in the region while they have the advantage. For thirty years, they have been engaged in a proxy war with the Islamic Republic of Iran. Syria is to be the next battlefield, but here, there is a critical difference from what were minor skirmishes in Lebanon, Yemen, and elsewhere. The Saudis with the aid of Qatar, and the UAE is striking at the core interests of Tehran; and they have through their tribal networks the advantage over an isolated Islamic Republic.
Tribal and kinship relations are being augmented by the infusion of the Salafi vision of Islam that is growing in the Gulf States. Money from the Gulf States has gone into the development of religious centers to spread the fundamentalist belief. A critical part of the ideology is to be anti-Shia.
Salafism in Saudi Arabia is promulgated by the Wahhabi School of Islam. The Wahhabi movement began in the eighteenth century and promoted a return to the fundamentalism of the early followers of the Faith.
The Sauds incorporated the religious movement into their leadership of the tribes. When the modern state of Saudi Arabia was formed, they were granted control of the educational system and much else in the society in exchange for the endorsement of the authoritarian rule.
When the Kingdom used its growing wealth in the 1970s to extend its interests far from the traditional territory in the battle against the atheistic Soviet Union, the Wahhabi clergy became missionaries in advancing their ideology through religious institutions to oppose the Soviets. More than two hundred thousand jihadists were sent into Afghanistan to fight the Soviet forces and succeeded in driving them out.
There is no longer a Soviet Union to confront. Today, the enemy is the Islamic Republic of Iran with what is described by the Wahhabis as a heretical form of Islam and its involvement in the Shia communities across the region. For thirteen centuries, the Shia have been kept under control. With the hand of Iran in the form of the Qud Force reaching into restless communities that number as many as one hundred and six million people in what is the heart of the Middle East, the Saudis see a desperate need to crush the foe before it has the means to pull down the privileged position of the Saud Family and the families of the other Gulf State rulers.
The war begins in Syria where we can expect that a successor government to Assad will be declared soon in the Saudi controlled tribal areas even before Assad is defeated. The territory is likely to adopt the more fundamentalist principals of the Salafists as it serves as a stepping stone to Iran Itself. It promises to be a bloody protracted war that will recognize no frontier and will know no limits by all of the participants.
Z – I do not find Glaser has written for Foreign Affairs. Google search shows no such relationship. I suspect from foreign Affairs refers to their department, not the magazine.
Admin
The fat man exercising pic was posted by a doppleganger.
I’ve been doppleganged several times today. I do not like it.
FBD
It was that prick llpoh.
I should have known you wouldn’t do such a vile thing.
llpoh knows no bounds.
🙂
Questions from Admin (thanks for asking) ……… my replies in caps.
SSS
Do you believe there will be any unintended consequences from attacking Iran? OF COURSE. MOSTLY NEGATIVE FOR THE U.S., EVEN IF WE ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE ATTACK IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
Do you believe it will benefit the American people? NO. SEE ABOVE. IT WILL GREATLY BENEFIT ISRAEL, IF IT MANAGES TO DESTROY IRAN’S NUCLEAR FACILITIES.
Do you believe attacking Iran will make the American people safer? NO. REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME, IT WILL MAKE AMERICANS AND AMERICAN INTERESTS LESS SAFE, MOSTLY ABROAD, BUT POSSIBLY EVEN HERE AT HOME. IRAN IS NOT WITHOUT RESOURCES TO MAKE US PAY, WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ATTACK.
Do you believe attacking Iran will benefit our economy? NO. IT WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT, ESPECIALLY IF IRAN MOVES AGAINST THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ.
Now then, as I’ve said in the past on this site, this is an issue of national survival for Israel. Israeli leaders would agree with what I’ve just told you above. They are well aware of the negative impact that an Israeli attack on Iran would have on the U.S. AND ISRAEL Everyone on this site knows how well the Israelis are plugged into the American political system.
Doesn’t matter to the Israeli leaders. Let me say it again. National SURVIVAL. Game over if Netanyahu, his cabinet and advisors, the Mossad, and the IDF see the intelligence information in that light. Israel will attack.
As you are fond of saying, so solly. This one ain’t our call.
SSS – people don’t want to hear that so you will get thumbs downed. Good points. I agree with you. That will cause you some more trouble.
SSS, please explain how Iran threatens Israel’s “national survival.” I’m all ears.
RP’s swan song.
Best I ever saw of him.
We are the Future rally speech at USF SunDome in Tampa Florida (without Rand’s intro)
Zara said, “SSS, please explain how Iran threatens Israel’s “national survival.” I’m all ears.”
Simple. Israel is living in a region of people who want to destroy the Jewish nation since 1948. The Arabs have tried it over and over again. Hasn’t worked, and Israel is just a little more than paranoid about the issue. Now it’s Iran’s turn to give it a shot. Get it?
SSS, a few questions then.
1. Do you believe the Iranian government is rational?
2. Given that Israel has a second strike capability with its submarines, do you believe the Iranian government is suicidal?
3. Do you believe (or think the Israeli government believes) that Iran would sacrifice millions of their citizens in a nuclear exchange and see its major cities in ruins simply to destroy Israel?
4. Given that Supreme Leader Ali Khamanei has issued a fatwa against the possession of nuclear weapons do you believe he would be proven a liar by authorizing their development?
5. Do you believe Iran would nuke the Palestinians and destroy the Dome of the Rock mosque which is the third most holy site in Islam?
6. If the Iranian mullahs want to initiate a second holocaust, why doesn’t it start with its’ own Jewish population?
7. Israel is a dangerous parasite on the US, bent on territorial expansion at any cost, a threat to world peace and Netanyahu is a major league asshole. Yes or No.
8. Israel has no intention of ever agreeing to an independent Palestinian state. Yes or No.
I look forward to your answers.
Z. You aren’t looking forward to his answers so cut the crap. Your questions are set to promote your own point of view.
My answers to those are 1, hell no, 2, Israel isn’t interested in no frigging second strike option. By that time they are history, 3, yes, 4, yes, 5, not talking about Jews so much as state of Isreal, 6, if those are the only answers, no, but to the individual points of the question, yes re parasite, no re expansion at any cost, no re threat to world peace, tho their actions re self- protection may be, and yes, Netanyahu is an asshole, but doesn’t mean he is wrong about Iran’s threat to Israel.
You really do not get it. Israel will act in what it perceives to be its best interests. Iran doesn’t believe Israel has the right to exist. Israel won’t just roll over and die, so war it may be. But I believe given half a chance that the Israelis are a peace loving people. They have pretty good reason to be paranoid – people are out to get them.