WHY DIDN’T ASIANS VOTE FOR ROMNEY?

Asians have the highest household income, highest education levels and the highest married family rate in America. They should have been a lock for the Republicans. Why did they vote overwhelmingly for Obama?

In the Aftermath of ‘12

By: Neil Howe

On November 7, Americans were just beginning to assess the magnitude and meaning of President Obama’s ’12 victory when the Dow dropped over 300 points, its largest daily plunge of the year. The next day, November 8, it plunged again. It’s almost as if history doesn’t want to give us time to contemplate what happened. But now, at the risk ignoring the rush of events, let’s take a moment to put some closure on the election season.

Overall, as my readers know, the ‘12 results were pretty much what I anticipated.

I said the election would be a lot closer than in ‘08, but that Obama would win. The margin would be narrow, but the outcome would not be an all-night cliffhanger. That turned out to be about right. In ’08, Obama won by 7.3 percent of the popular vote, just about the median margin for all elections in U.S. history. (It was just shy of FDR’s margin over Thomas Dewey in 1944.)  In ’12, Obama won by only 2.3 percent of the popular vote, which is the fifth smallest since 1900. (It was just under George W. Bush’s 2.5 percent margin against John Kerry, an election that was also considered a squeaker.)

I said there would be a 15-to-25 percentage point gap between under-30 young vote for Obama and the 65+ senior vote for Obama. In ’08, the gap was 21 percent; and in ’12, a preliminary survey by Pew projected it would be 20 percent. In fact, according to exit polls, the ‘12 gap between young and old was 16 points. So age polarization did moderate slightly. From ’08 to ’12, all age groups voted about 3 percent more for Romney. But Millennials tipped somewhat more steeply to Romney (about 5 percent) and the Silent a bit less. Let me go back to the postwar history of the presidential “generation gap” and update the Pew chart here. My edits in red show the actual ’12 exit poll results.

Why the moderation—or shrinkage—of the Obama youth margin from ‘08? Pre-election surveys identifying this youth shift away from Obama found that it was generated mostly by young whites (especially non-college young whites who have been hit hardest by the post-2008 economy) and only to a lesser extent by young minorities. The CIRCLE crosstabs on the exit poll, shown below, confirm that this is indeed what happened. Note that this time, unlike in ’08, the majority of young whites (51 percent) voted for the GOP.

This should not be a surprise. Unlike McCain, who struck many Millennials in ’08 as simply “too old,” Romney came across as more youthful and did not present the same obvious age contrast with Obama. Also, as I have mentioned in previous posts, Millennials are attracted to Romney’s cool, analytical, consensus-seeking persona—just as they have been attracted to many of these same qualities in Obama. The huge positive shift to Romney among under-50 whites after the first debate was largely attributed to the popular discovery that Romney was not an eccentric hothead like McCain or committed culture warrior like Rick Perry. This discovery brought Romney back into the race and hugely complicated Team Obama’s campaign strategy. Ultimately, however, it was not enough to put Romney over the top.

Although I’ve reported on several surveys pointing to declining youth enthusiasm for the election, I’ve also insisted that the Millennial Generation is destined to be a civic force to be reckoned with. My entire generational model points in that direction. True to my model, Millennials pulled through—surprising many who had predicted they would stay home. In fact, according to the latest CIRCLE estimates, the ‘12 youth voter participation rate (at least 49 percent, the count is not over yet) was nearly as strong as it was in ’08 (52 percent). This rate is already higher than ’04 (48 percent) and much higher than in the last election in which Gen-Xers totally filled the under-30 age bracket (1996: 37 percent).

In ’12 as in ’08, the youth vote determined the outcome—meaning that if the under-30 vote had simply split 50-50, McCain and Romney would have won. This cannot be said of any election earlier than 2008, going all the way back to the 1930s. The youth vote likewise determined the outcome of all the major battleground states that went this time to Obama: Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. Many who expected a GOP victory clearly hoped that a lot fewer youth voters would show up at the polls this year. This did not happen. Or, if it did happen to some degree, declining excitement probably kept home precisely those young voter categories (noncollege white males) who would have been least likely to vote for Obama. Either way, no advantage for Team Romney.

More generally, the ’12 results showed that the Democrats were mostly right, and the Republicans mostly wrong, about the composition of the turnout. The GOP-ridiculed “D+6” model turned out to be dead on. Also, futures markets like Intrade once again demonstrated their uncanny ability to hone in on the most likely outcome, even when real-time voter surveys were jumping all around. Conservatives who normally praise the virtues of markets should have known this all along.

Let me turn to two further perspectives on the results—income and ethnicity. Each sheds some interesting light on where Romney went wrong and why he fell short.

First, income. As discussed in a previous post, a major Pew survey recently revealed that the significant overall voter shift away from Democratic (and toward Republican) party identification over the last four years has been generated entirely by lower- and middle-income voters. Reason: They have been hardest hit by the economy. Affluent voters, by contrast, actually lean more to Obama and the Democrats in 2012 than in 2008. For Romney to win, it was absolutely essential for him to exploit this opening and harness this disaffection. He had to persuade these voters that the Obama economy had failed them and had stripped them of their security, dignity, and independence. And he had to make his biggest gains (relative to ’08) among lower income brackets.

In this effort he failed. The GOP preference by income bracket in ’12 was even steeper (slightly) than in ’08. Among > $100K voters, Romney won 54 percent; among < $50K voters, he won 38 percent. Compared to McCain in ’08, Romney did better over $100K and worse under $50K. To be sure, Romney faced some unique challenges in appealing to lower-income America—starting with his image as a very wealthy Wall Street wheeler-dealer. But these were surmountable. (Obama too is regularly criticized as an elitist Ivy League legal theorist, yet over time he has learned to handle the issue deftly.) What killed Romney was not the image, but rather the substance he regularly delivered that perfectly matched the image. Notorious example: the surreptitiously taped “47 percent” monologue, which was exactly the wrong message and which remained attached to Romney until the end of the campaign. The remark did untold damage. At long last, Jimmy Carter’s humiliating 1980 loss to the GOP was avenged by his grandson!

Second, ethnicity. And here I’m not sure I have the answers. Romney was the decisive favorite of all white Americans (59 percent).  He was even the decisive favorite of all white American women (56 percent). Yet Romney was also distinctly unpopular among nonwhites: He got the vote of only 27 percent of Hispanics, 26 percent of Asians, and 6 percent of African-Americans. Despite his better overall showing compared to McCain in ‘08, Romney actually lost 4 points among Hispanics and (incredibly) 11 points among Asians.

What’s going on here? Of course, everyone points to John McCain’s and George W. Bush’s conciliatory stance on immigration reform as one reason they didn’t suffer as badly at the hands of minority voters. Maybe. But I don’t think that’s a complete explanation. Romney and Obama actually agree on most of the basics of immigration reform—and though minority immigrants widely approve of Obama’s Dream Act and selective enforcement policy, they also know about his relentless deportation agenda. (Obama has deported more immigrants than any other President.)

I think something deeper, more cultural is at work. An 11 percent decline among Asians? That’s a catastrophe for the GOP. Asians are not known to obsess over immigration reform. They exceed whites in median household income. They are socially conservative, aspire to own property, and admire successful business leaders. In recent elections, I haven’t found one in which they didn’t give the GOP at least 40 percent of their vote.  In 1996, when Dole lost badly to Clinton, Asians actually preferred Dole to Clinton, 48 to 43 percent. So what happened in 2012?

Perhaps this is where Romney’s Mormonism ultimately hurt him—not, as once expected, among white evangelicals (who ended up ignoring theology and voting for him anyway), but among nonwhite minorities (who could not look past the long LDS heritage as a white-only church). Again, I am simply suggesting possibilities. I welcome your suggestions.

We can make two fairly certain predictions for how Romney’s defeat is going to play out for the future of the GOP and for the Republican candidates likely to be running in 2016. One prediction is generational. Romney is likely to be the last Boomer to run as the GOP Presidential candidate. After all, by nearly everyone’s post-mortem consensus, he was the ablest Boomer contender in ’12 and still he lost. In 2016, by contrast, a huge new influx of first-wave Gen-Xers will be flooding onto the GOP primary stage. They are smart, charismatic, and (mostly) have plenty of hands-on executive experience. I’m talking about Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, Nikki Haley, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and Ted Cruz. And maybe we can add on late-wave Boomers (both born in 1959) Susana Martinez and Scott Brown.

To be sure, not all the these will run for the White House in ’16. And, of those who do, many have sharp edges and as-yet unvetted secrets that could prevent them from going all the way to nomination. But it is an impressive field, and the Democrats have nothing like it in the bull pen.

In fact, it’s easy to imagine a generational reversal in party candidates. The Democrats in 2016 could very well move back to a Boomer candidate (Hillary, we know you’ve been waiting!), who might encounter little serious competition from Xers. Meanwhile, the Republicans are clearly going to put an Xer at the top of their ticket. Moreover—and this is my second prediction—this Xer is very likely to be nonwhite or Hispanic. (Of the contenders listed above, three are Hispanic and two are Indian.) Given Romney’s exit polls, many GOP leaders will regard the elevation of a minority standard bearer for their party as not just a nice-thing-to-do, but as a must-thing-to-do.

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Thunderbird
Thunderbird
November 10, 2012 3:34 pm

I guess the establishment republicans are really hated.

Eddie
Eddie
November 10, 2012 3:40 pm

I’m guessing that Asians look on LDS and their widespread proselytizing as having wreaked damage and destruction against Asian religions and cultural traditions.

How do you feel when Jevohah’s Witnesses knock on your door? Yeah. Oh, no, not another one!

Taoism is eight thousand years old, dating back to Lao-tzu.

If you’re an Asian, when some young, dumb, white kid knocks on your door touting his 150 year old sketchy, hard to swallow Christian narrative, and tries to covert you, how do you react? Especially if you already know that his religious community is overwhelmingly white and that their ideology is rife with racist overtones?

O don’t think Romney’s Mormonism hurt him so much with the young…but with the Asian vote, perhaps it did.

ssgconway
ssgconway
November 10, 2012 3:54 pm

The higher-income folks that I know voted for Obama, generally speaking. Asians are more likely to be secular in their orientation, or at least not interested in ‘social issues’ as they are framed by Christian conservatives. High-income secular voters, unless they’re business owners suffering from a negative tax and regulatory environment, favored Obama. That Asians (in professional occupations especially) should favor the President should therefore come as no surprise; it’s exactly what voters in Mitt Romney’s well-to-do home county (Oakland County, Michigan) did – regardless of race.

flash
flash
November 10, 2012 4:11 pm

Eddie- touting his 150 year old sketchy, hard to swallow Christian narrative,
For chrissakes, stop confusing the 150 cult of Mormonism for the 2000+ year old Christian religion They are apples and oranges.

Hey look me I’m a wood butchering dentist…come on in folks and get that two by four extracted from your jaw bone…same thing Eddie.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
November 10, 2012 5:06 pm

Really fucking simple:

They aren’t fucking stupid.

They don’t vocally stand out, and they don’t rock the boat. They are doing just fine and aren’t feeling the calculus of the increasing rate of demographic change to boot.

I think it’s safe to say that they are correct in their instinct that Mittens comes off as a douche bag and a vote on that instinct is not really too hard to fathom.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
November 10, 2012 5:20 pm
TC
TC
November 10, 2012 8:38 pm

Chris Christie knows he’s too fat to ever be Prez, so he sold his soul for who knows how many $B in federal bailout money. He’s done as far as the GOP is concerned. Jindal and Rubio aren’t Natural Born Citizens (as per the founders’ definition) and although the media and the legal system obviously doesn’t give a shit, there’s enough believers on the right who will stay home rather than vote for either of those guys. IMO, it looks pretty grim for the GOP in 2016.

WIP
WIP
November 10, 2012 9:49 pm

Who giives a flying FUCK? In the end we are all Greece or WWIII will take about 7 Billion people. Sorry RE. I see your 7 Million and Raise you 7 Billion.

SAH
SAH
November 10, 2012 10:20 pm

@TC -Jindal was born in Louisiana. Rubio was born in Florida. I bet both of them have birth certificates to prove it too.

Bruce
Bruce
November 11, 2012 12:31 am

It’s so simple. In recent years people have come to hate Republicans at a faster rate than they hate Democrats. In a smaller part because of policy ( most voters only understand policy in three to six word slogans) but mostly because the Republicans have trotted into the lime light the most objectionable, inarticulate, hostile and just plain nasty stupid people they can find.

Even the moron vote traditionally strong in the Republican camp is shrinking and the delusional vote demographic is almost all democrat now. But the Democrats will catch up after the disasters and pain everyone is in for over the next four years comes home.

But it matters little who’s in office. No matter what things will always be screwed up until we hunt down and rout out the Bankers.

Ron
Ron
November 11, 2012 2:33 am

Almost every slightly religous person ive met wouldnt vote for Obama.All filipinos,ive met talk about how being catholics and against abortion and gay marriage,and the horrible economy.So Romney should have gotten votes.
I still think Obama won because most people arent that bright.I saw it coming.

Chicago999444
Chicago999444
November 11, 2012 8:20 am

Its allegiance with the Christian Right and its freak show of nasty, stupid, and just plain crazy adherents like Rush Limbaugh, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, and Sarah Palin, have all cost the Republican Party the support it might have had from many segments of the population.

It’s not that people don’t understand the damage Obama’s economic and fiscal policies are creating. We surely do. But we also see that the oppositions are really only different on the surface, and that a Romney presidency would have meant another war, MORE government expenditure and more government debt, as well as further reduced personal liberties and a continued assault on women’s rights.

It was not even a question of who would do less damage, but whose atrocious policies were more easily reversed. Many of us decided that while it will be difficult to unwind the welfare state, it would still be easier to do that than to recover from World War 3.

TC
TC
November 11, 2012 9:14 am

@SAH – being born in the US to non-citizen parents make them 14th amendment citizens, not Natural Born Citizens. see Minor vs Happersett. But like I said, you don’t have to take my word for it. Nominate either Jindahl or Rubio and then scratch your head again why GOP voter turnout was so low.

sangell
sangell
November 11, 2012 11:36 am

The term “Asian” like Latino is very imprecise. Japanese Americans in California are a different bloc than Vietnamese in Westminster or Sacramento Sikhs and Hindus just as Cubans are not Mexican mestizos or Central American Indians.

While San Francisco Chinese may vote Democratic ( what alternative do they really have in that city) they are not loopy left wingers. In fact, they share most of the same concerns of those who post here.
They are often the targets of black street crime, are not energized by gay marriage or redistributionist
economic policy and like Korean and Japanese Americans are not wedded to the Democratic party ideologically. It is more a practical matter in that they tend to live in big cities that are dominated by the Democrats so any ( and I’ll use the more antique but accurate term) Oriental who wants to run for public office had better be a Democrat or they cannot win. Thus their political leadership is, of necessity , Democratic.

indian american
indian american
November 11, 2012 1:18 pm

The republican party comes across as the the party of sanctimonious white Christians. The economic message is lost in the bible thumping. Example: very wealthy Indian American doctor will not vote for Republicans b/c of a speech at the RNC convention years ago talking about how we are a judeo-christian nation for judeo christians…blah, blah. These impressions stick. True or not, the image is one of white smugness and intolerance. And this image is only growing…

Moreover, asian americans do not identify with the image of the tea party. Guns, slogans, racial undertones. I don’t know the stats, but tea partiers are seen as uneducated and there is nothing more important to the Asians than education!

Finally, there is a feeling that the conservative values are hogwash. States like WV and Alabama have huge divorce rates and teenage pregnancy; the beacon of conservative values, Sara Palin, has an out of marriage grandchild. (A friend of mine once joked that he married into an Indian family b/c he wanted to experience traditional American values that he didn’t find in American homes! ) I don’t agree with this generalization, but some Asians believe that conservatives are trashy alcoholic whites who don’t practice what they preach.

I don’t agree with all of this, but these are things I have heard over and over. I am a highly educated Indian-American from a self-made professional family. At home, we are conservative, with a 0% divorce rate, 0% alcoholism rate, and an average income well over $200k. And yes, we are all democrats.

Moderator- if you find this post offensive, please consider the points and incorporate them into your own comments if you like. I don’t think the Mormon aspect was at all relevant. I would not describe Asians as tolerant of other religions– it is more like indifference.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
November 11, 2012 1:29 pm

Indian American:

You should post more often. I don’t think the connect is made by a lot of people regarding your points.

Sangell made a good point too. Often, Chinese-American politicians in SF have a very “Blue Dog” stance.

Perceptions are key. They don’t go away.

SAH
SAH
November 11, 2012 2:19 pm

@TC – Minor v Happersett was in effect overruled by the 19th Amendment, issues of citizenship were just a side tangent of this ruling – and it was in fact ruled that Minor was a natural born US citizen, but that she wasn’t eligible to vote due to her gender.

The basis of American citizenship has always been based on English Common Law, and rests primarily on the precept of Jus Soli (right of the soil), meaning place of birth is the primary determinant of who is a natural born citizen of the US. Some other countries do not recognize Jus Soli at all, but we always have since the original adoption of the Constitution. Jus Sanguinis (right of blood) is the secondary method by which one can be a natural born citizen (born to 2 American citizens outside the jurisdiction of the US).

I agree that the interpretation of the 14th Amendment has been too broad, and should not include children born to foreigners who are here illegally, and who should take the nationality of their parents by Jus Sanguinis. However, our accepted 14th Amendment currently even includes this class of ‘anchor babies’.

In the case of Jindal, his parents were both legal green-card holding permanent US residents at the time of his birth, who later became naturalized citizens. Jindal himself is undoubtedly a natural born citizen of the US, even if we were to employ a stricter interpretation of the 14th Amendment. Where things might be a little sticky for Jindal is NOT in any question of his being a natural born US citizen (there is no legal question of that), but rather in his holding automatic Dual Citizenship in India by right of Jus Sanguinis under Indian law at the time of his birth. When Jindal was born, any child who’s Father was a legal citizen of India received automatic Jus Sanguinis citizenship. Current Indian law will confer Jus Sanguinis citizenship to children of Indian citizen parents only if the child is registered for it. So, it seems Jindal has dual citizenship.

However, this STILL should pose no legal problem for Jindal if he seeks the Presidency. US Attorney General Edwards Pierrepont wrote in 1875 of a case in which a natural born US citizen was taken back to Germany at a young age and had dual German citizenship by Jus Sanguinis. Pierrepont said:

“by virtue of German laws the son acquired German nationality. It is equally clear that the son, by birth, has American nationality, and hence he has two nationalities, one natural, the other acquired. …. Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of 21, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States.”

sangell
sangell
November 11, 2012 2:55 pm

RE: 14th Amendment and citizenship

I won’t go into the illegal ratification of the 13th and 14th amendments merely not that they did not have sufficient majorities in either the Congress or by state ratification to be adopted but as to the issue of acquiring citizenship by being born on US territory needs to be revisited when neither parent had a legal right to be in the United States.

It is pretty established that once cannot grant a right, title or privilege one does not legally posses. I cannot sell an item I do not own nor can I grant permission to use property I do not own unless I am acting with the authority and consent of the owner. The 14th amendment turns this upside down if two people who have no US citizenship or even permission to be in the US can bestow something they do not possess ( citizenship) on another.

Not long ago a Canadian mother was about to give birth to 4 or 5 premature babies. There were not enough available incubators on her side of the border so she was flown to an American hospital to give birth. It was not the intention of the mother or the Canadian government that her children be American citizens and she was authorized by both governments to be in the US. If the US government asserts that illegal immigrants children become US citizens if the child is born on US soil can the US government not also claim jurisdiction over those Canadian children and, e.g. draft them for military service and place a warrant for their arrest if they do not present themselves for induction? Should work both ways in other words.

John A
John A
November 11, 2012 4:33 pm

Indian American,

My nationality is American. I have no other and I want no other. My ancestry is Czech, English, Irish, and Native American. Thank you for your comment here. I hope to see more of your comments in the future.

Drowning in Parasitism
Drowning in Parasitism
November 11, 2012 5:06 pm

They vote overwhelmingly Democratic because they are subjected to the same (Big Brother-as-savior) collectivist clap-trap, multi-culti, anti-Whitey indoctrination at every level of the early educational process along with the rest of masses. They are spoon-fed the “beleagured minority” malarkey with Whites-as-their-sole-historical-oppressors throughout their years in our Soviet finishing schools we call “higher education” which is obsessed with “diversity, radical egalitarianism,” and “racial justice” at the expense of all else.

As we can well see, the “model minorities” care very little about upholding the Constitution and rule of law which pinpoints the entire problem with foreigners who know little to nothing (all by design of course) of our nation’s history. Moreover, if it were advocated and put into practise “that White foreigners were to be flooded into other countries at staggering levels that would ultimately dispossess, disenfranchise and displace the majorities of those host countries, they would see it for what it is: an ACT of WAR. Only Whites are brainswahed into thinking we have some moral obligation to play host to the dregs of the world even as these ingrates replicate the same deploreable conditions of the countries from which they fled and this is being done to Western European countries ALONE by our new Masters.

TC
TC
November 11, 2012 5:39 pm

@SAH – of course Minor was NBC – she was born on American soil to American citizens. What’s your point? Jindahl’s parents were not citizens at the time of his birth. It doesn’t matter that you believe he’s NBC, as there’s too many righties who believe otherwise.

SAH
SAH
November 11, 2012 5:50 pm

@TC – you are wrong. You originally stated “Jindal and Rubio aren’t Natural Born Citizens (as per the founders’ definition)”. Wrong. At the time of the Founding Fathers, many people were born on US soil to British Subjects (legal foreigners). These people were considered natural born citizens by right of Jus Soli, and their status as natural born citizens has never been in question – not even before the adoption of the 14th Amendment. Jindal is absolutely a natural born citizen under the Founders’ definition, regardless of the 14th Amendment.

AWD
AWD
November 11, 2012 6:51 pm

“….the most current county-by-county election map, which clearly reveals what state election maps don’t, and what Obama and his Leftist cadres do NOT want you to contemplate. It shows where Leftist constituencies reside.

The assault on Liberty we witnessed Tuesday, as was the case in 2008, was led primarily by those on urban “ObamaNation Plantations,” those who depend on what Obama calls “redistributive justice” from the rest of us in order to survive. They account for almost 60 (SIXTY) percent of Obama’s constituents, and Socialist Democrats are masters of co-opting (read: “buying”) their allegiance and getting them to the polls. The good news is that about 10 million fewer Obama voters showed up in 2012, despite his billion-dollar campaign.”

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Drowning in Parasitism
Drowning in Parasitism
November 11, 2012 9:53 pm

Who’s behind swamping the Western countries with alien foreigners who for the most part will NEVER assimilate because our Federal Leviathan and Bolshevik Supreme Court have ensured it cannot happen:

Immigration in the U.S.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpjxLxK1GWw

Immigration in Western Europe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA7Ymki71fM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpWhdrNlEmI

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/05/israeli-anti-immigrant-riots-ignored-by-the-organized-jewish-community-and-the-mainstream-western-media/

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/07/jewish-australian-mp-bring-israels-african-immigrants-to-australia/

http://incogman.net/12/2011/hypocrite-israeli-jews-will-kick-out-50000-africans/

Israel detains and exports children and African immigrants while foisting mass immigration on Western European countries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR6Pe7_lPEc

Michael
Michael
November 12, 2012 4:39 am

Why did Asians vote for Obama overwhelmingly?
Simple it is. They do the math.

Avinash_Tyagi
Avinash_Tyagi
November 12, 2012 5:00 am

As an Indian-American, I’ll tell you why you won’t win with Asians (at least Indian Asians)

First off, your Bible thumping is very off putting, you want to be a bunch of jeebus loving bible thumpers, fine, but stop trying to push it in our faces, we aren’t interested. When Christians come to our temples and try and disrupt our holy festivals, I can tell you its not going to win much support.

Also if you think running someone like Jindal or Haley will help you, I’ll let you know the outcome, it won’t help.

None of the Indians in my community like Jindal or Haley, we consider them morons.

So feel free to run them, but I wouldn’t.

Secondly, we aren’t as conservative as you think, we aren’t opposed to social programs as you are.

Thirdly the racism and bigotry of your base is very off putting. Sorry but its there, you guys can hide and argue that republicans aren’t racist, but we’ve experienced it first hand, so we know just how intolerant the GOP actually is.

Avinash_Tyagi
Avinash_Tyagi
November 12, 2012 5:02 am

Protip Stucky:

Calling us Dot-Heads is not going to win us over to your party

flash
flash
November 12, 2012 5:36 am

Avinash_Tyagi -Protip Stucky: Calling us Dot-Heads is not going to win us over to your party

And, what party would that be Avinash?

Avinash_Tyagi
Avinash_Tyagi
November 12, 2012 5:44 am

Republican

flash
flash
November 12, 2012 5:57 am

Avinash ,So Stuck is a Republican and all this time has hid this alliance with the dark side from fellow TBPers……the dirty rotten…..

Just curious , but could he also be the bastard child of Galactic Emperor Ronnie Raygun as well?

flash
flash
November 12, 2012 6:17 am

Good job Avinash. When you look in the mirror from now own you can focus upon the image of a full blown collectivist and be proud that yourself and ilk played as much a party in altering the history of a nation as those few farmers that stood their ground against the British Redcoats culminating into the overthrow of a monarchy.

You sir, by supporting a Marxist ruler have played a major role in firing the shot of collectivism mortally wounding indivdual liberty which will resonate all over the civilized world.

I salute you.
It’s no small feat to bring down a Republic.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/11.12/newkind.html
The slothful masses now control America through an Orwellian czar in Washington whose mentor was a rabid communist apparatchik in the 1970s and whose close advisors (Bill Ayres, Jeremiah Wright, Valerie Jarrett, etc.) have always been radical leftist haters of America. This Orwellian czar is now a lame duck President and doesn’t have to run again. All that blocks him from ravaging our rights and freedoms is a supine Senate and a timid array of House Republicans. Will these political sycophants be able to stand up to him and the new hordes of entitlement seekers that bolster him with their eager votes? Not likely. Congress will, instead, begin to reach out to the new entitlement seekers along with the pressing hordes of illegals and their comrades waiting in the wings for entrance to America.

Jean Raspail’s Camp of the Saints looms over the horizon. Congressional sycophants will begin to emulate Fox News analyst, Kirsten Powers, who gleefully reported on election night, “We are now a brown nation.” They will begin to reevaluate their position on the illegals. They will reason that another 15 million illiterate anti-Americans amidst us is no problem. To paraphrase Nixon, “We’re all Multiculturalists now.”

Thus, Obama will push full-blown for amnesty for the illegals and Marx’s redefinition of slavery into a “new kind of freedom.” We will charge toward the abyss at a speed never before employed. Obama and the Creature will gobble up the last of our freedoms. America will become a giant replica of Greece.

Avinash_Tyagi
Avinash_Tyagi
November 12, 2012 6:41 am

America cannot become greece

Your belief that it can shows a misunderstanding of of the respective economies

We have our own central bank (the fed) whereas Greece is under the ECB, we have control of our currency.

Our Economy is far larger than Greece’s

And treasuries are still considered a safe investment.

In fact even with negative real interest rates we still have people looking to invest in our treasuries, basically paying us to borrow.

flash
flash
November 12, 2012 6:51 am

Avinash_Tyagi –America cannot become greece

Right AT, and fiat currency will away maintain a semblance of it’s intrinsic value.

Avinash -In fact even with negative real interest rates we still have people looking to invest in our treasuries, basically paying us to borrow.

Would those investors happen to be the Fed and their discount window customers? My left pocket recently loaned my right pocket 700 billion in freshly printed cash and the interest rate was fabulously affordable.

No I’m off to invest in the DJI….wish me luck.

Indian_Indian
Indian_Indian
November 12, 2012 7:55 am

Indian_Indian

I have lived in India, in the UK and in the US. I have never seen any intolerance from any white American. The only time I was afraid in the UK and US was when I was confronted by a black man.

Indian_American wrote “These impressions stick. True or not, the image is one of white smugness and intolerance”. In the past 30 years (since 1980) America had 20 years of republican presidents’ rule, but I do not think any Indian would have found American intolerant. GW Bush the war monger president also never came across as someone who was intolerant of Indians or any other ethnic groups.

conservative values are not hogwash, rather the practitioners might be, but then it is better than what you generally find among black Americans who are 99% democratic voters.

havind said all that the White American cultue is infinitely far better than what we have in India. The endless corruption, the brode burning, the Khap panchayats, the rape of women, the communal riots and what not…

End Note – YOU will find far less American_Indians than Indian_AMericans on this planet. So much for the SUPERIOR Indian values.

Indian_Indian
Indian_Indian
November 12, 2012 7:55 am

The above is addressed to Indian_American.

Hollow man
Hollow man
November 12, 2012 8:04 am

Lol, they probley did vote for Romney!

Hollow man
Hollow man
November 12, 2012 9:31 am

It just shows how much the injuns know about liberty.
Freedom of choice and the feedom to suffer the ill effect of those choices to grow you as a human being.

sangell
sangell
November 12, 2012 9:45 am

It would be impossible to find a more ignorant and bigoted population in the United States than Americas indigenous blacks yet , to hear our Hindu friends here, they are comfortable overlooking the likes of Al Sharpton or the Congressional Black Caucus in their political affiliations. If bible thumping makes you uncomfortable look no further than Barack Obama who will adopt the cadence and tone of the black preacher just as soon as he steps before a black audience and whose own religious leader, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright , ought to make your skin crawl.

That you are comfortable with these alliances says to me your stated objections to the Republican Party are insincere and that you are simply more of the same big government leftists willing to overlook any flaw in your own political allies if it is necessary to maintain political power.

Hollow man
Hollow man
November 12, 2012 10:01 am

Don’t worry injuns you and other like you have invaded and made america what you want it to be.

You have won. Enjoy it as America dies.

Hollow man
Hollow man
November 12, 2012 10:14 am

Obama in 2016, recall it is a living breathing document. It is to grow and mature lika human, corp. And such. Obama does not leave office until 2020.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
November 12, 2012 10:17 am

The “shining light” in our now dead constitution that our collective minded population has failed to see is that we are individually self developing beings. The “bill of Rights,” now voided because the people failed to preserve these rights, recognized that we are created from something outside this world that is greater than us, and no power in this world has a right to deny us our right to self development. No one can deny that the body and mind we are given to use in this world are instruments far superior than man can create. These instruments were given us for our self development.

Government and law is a product of man. When it is used to force programmed development of a certain bent, like socialism, communism, fascism, on a self developing being, it is wrong. And those politicians doing it are wrong.

This country is being run on negative thoughts and emotions which by their nature lead to slavery to a lower power, fear. Fear makes people give their power away to false promises of those in government. If you think about it government has always led people to slavery, and the more government the more slavery. Limited government, which our forefathers strove for, allows for the most latitude to self developing beings.

I don’t know where we are headed after this election, but I do know there are still many people in this country that aim for self development and liberty to do it. Perhaps this government will self destruct under the weight of all the entitlements demanded from it just like the Soviet system failed, and the European system is failing. But for now the latter day Bolsheviks are in their hay day.

Hang tight. Individualism is not dead.

sangell
sangell
November 12, 2012 11:05 am

Actually Hollow man, the immigration the US receives from Asia is pretty much exactly what any well run immigration program should be. Getting young professionals from India ( hey, they already speak English) were educated at their own countries expense is a win for the US politically and economically. They assimilate and require no expensive government social programs.

I do wonder about Muslim immigration, even educated Muslims. We certainly don’t need cab drivers from Pakistan, Egypt or anywhere else nor do we need their little stores which are often little more than fronts for various frauds and money laundering schemes.

An anecdotal story. Growing up in San Francisco in the 1960’s all the little corner groceries were owned by Chinese. SF didn’t have a lot of big supermarkets then so these tiny stores were still viable. Today the Chinese no longer operate any of them. The couples that ran them sold them to Muslim immigrants as they retired and their children graduated from university and went on to work in American industry. Of course, times have changed and those little stores are not so viable anymore so the Muslim proprietors have to engage in coupon and food stamp frauds and other money laundering schemes using these little stores as fronts both out of economic necessity and in keeping with their cultural tradition. It is also the case that the children of these new proprietors are not overwhelming the admissions offices of Stanford and UC Berkeley with applications, again more in keeping with the lower class Muslims. So, again, its not immigration per se that is the problem it is the quality and cultural traditions of the immigrants that matter.

Avinash_Tyagi
Avinash_Tyagi
November 12, 2012 11:34 am

@Administrator

I’m just basing it on what I’ve read and seen, if it looks like an elephant, and it sounds like an elephant and it walks like an elephant, well you get the point.

@Sangell

Wright is a Fringe individual with no power in the Democratic party, within the GOP however, the fringe individuals dominate

@Indian_Indian

Yes because rapes and riots never happen in the US, oh wait, rapes do happen every day, and didn’t those white students riot after Obama was elected?

Hmmmm

sangell
sangell
November 12, 2012 12:03 pm

@Avinash_Tyagi

Jeremiah Wright may have no official position with the Obama Administration but we really don’t know what his relationship, if any, with the president currently might be. Certainly Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are powerful figures in the Democratic Party and I can find no equivalent to them
in Republican party circles. Then there is former DC Mayor, convicted crack cocaine abuser and current city councilman Marion Berry who recently said “”We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops. … They ought to go. I’m going to say that right now.” Is that the kind of enlightened thinking you find attractive in the Democratic party?

As to ‘riots’ , I presume you are speaking of some incident on a Mississippi campus after the election involving some drunken college students? If so you aren’t very familiar with what a real riot is but, if you stay in the US long enough, your fellow democrats will educate you on what a real riot is if you missed out on the LA riots of the early 1990’s. You will see Asi

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
November 12, 2012 12:18 pm

The fact the Avinash lives here now says something… he prefers the lifestyle he lives in this country over his own. He gets more respect here using his money than he does in his country; even with their caste system.

Stucky
Stucky
November 12, 2012 12:51 pm

“Stucky: Calling us Dot-Heads is not going to win us over to your party” —- Avinash_Tyagi

Win you over? You think that’s what I’m trying to do? I could care less. My only intent was to call you out on your own bigotry, narrow-mindedness, and illogical thinking that you spewwed forth on this thread.

Dothead is what it is — an apt description of people who put red dots on their foreheads. You should be proud of it.

If you want, you can call me a Kraut … because I am from Austria and I love cabbage! Doesn’t bother me. Or, you can call me ‘Sticky’ because I like to …. well, nevermind.

Stucky
Stucky
November 12, 2012 1:12 pm

Avinash_Tyagi

One of the things I greatly admire about India Indians — at least the ones living here in the USA — is that they are hard working people. I have never known even one who accepted FREE SHIT. Not one, although there might be exceptions somewhere … if so, surely less than 1%. They work hard, pay their taxes, don’t complain, mind their own business, and commit few crimes. This is all quite exceptional.

It is also quite baffling, then, that you and your kind affiliate with a party whose primary platform is ….. giving away free shit!! I (we) call that cognitive dissonance.

And you are GRAVELY misinformed, and seriously lacking in reading for comprehension, if you think I (we) are pro-Republican. I (we) loathe them with equal fervor. Although, it would make much more sense if you disliked Republicans because of their war-mongering whoredom ….. since Indians are, I believe, generally pacifist and very anti-war. THAT would make a lot more sense than your stated reasons of “racism” and “bible thumping” ….. bullshit you are parroting from watching mainstream news, no doubt.

indian american
indian american
November 12, 2012 1:18 pm

Dear Stucky,

I believe the issue raised was why Asians did not (generally) vote for Romney. I provided a description of the impressions that many Asians have regarding the republican party. And no, I don’t hate Christians. And I actually believe that our government benefits from having both republicans and democrats as part of the process. Republicans need to understand how they come across if they want to win.

As for your references regarding Indian culture, I don’t believe that that is the topic of this forum.

Indian_Indian
Indian_Indian
November 12, 2012 1:25 pm

Avinash_Tyagi said

“Yes because rapes and riots never happen in the US, oh wait, rapes do happen every day, and didn’t those white students riot after Obama was elected?”

You are taking out the outliers and comparing it to the norm in India. Now crime reporting in India may be a very small percentage of the actual.

The Indian rupee has fallen from 10 to 54 since 1984. That is about 6% fall just in the currency exchange rate. The inflation in the US has been about 3%-4% all these years. So India has had an inflation rate running at 10% for the past 30 years.

Recently an Indian bureaucrat mentioned that the poverty line in India is at Rs.32 which translates to about 60 cents a day. I think the FSA in the US live much better than the professionals in India. Somebody is working for it.

It was news when NY lost power for 3 days because of Sandy, whereas Indian villages do not get power for 16 hours a day. This is quite a norm.

Even now in many villages in India solve their problems via KHAP panchayats. You can google what is a Khap panchayat to know more- so much for the legal system.

Indians are know for their Math and Engineering skills, but that is a miniscule percentage of the population. The others are close to the Rs.32 mark I mentioned earlier.

The infrastructure is close to third world in India. There are states where children are killer because they are female – some parts of the country have 850 girls for 1000 boys.

Leave the statistics alone, the very fact that Avinash is making his career and life in the country of the “stupid Whitey” is a testament to the greatness of Indian society.

Is India progressing? Definitely yes. Id America declining? Definitely yes and Obama and his ilk can bring America to Indian levels in a few decades. Anyway Avinash will be happy to live in a non-Whitey America! Let us see how he copes.

Avinash_Tyagi
Avinash_Tyagi
November 12, 2012 1:27 pm

@Administrator

Who said anything about considering India a paradise, I’m talking GOP, not India, as Tuesday showed you guys are now the minority, I’m very happy with this Democrat majority America. A better America. 😀

@Sangell

Jackson and Sharpton powerful figures? Since when? Its been years since either had any real influence

With outdated intelligence like that its no wonder the GOP got trashed this cycle.

@ Thunderbird

Indeed, by avoiding Republicans as much as possible, staying out of the backwoods areas of the country and away from any banjo music, I find it quite enjoyable living in the liberal cities of America.

@ Stucky

problem is, its not called a dot, its called a Bindi and secondly most Indians don’t wear Bindis

so the term is both inaccurate and clearly intended as a slur, and you claim bigotry on my part, lol

Yeah I’m really mistaken, sorry, but your rants clearly label you a republican, otherwise why defend them so vehemently? As for the Racism charge, well you already proved to me yourself that it exists, so I don’t need the MSM.

As for why I support the Democrats, and why so many others do as well, well I’ve already given the reasons.