We Should All Be Like the Hippies in this One Way

We Should All Be Like the Hippies in this One Way

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The hippies are little understood these days. One particular version of them – the later, pot-smoking, political protestor – is what remains in popular culture. But the actual hippies, especially the early hippies, were a much different group. They were interesting and brave people: people very much worth remembering.

Who Were the Hippies?

The hippies were preceded by the Beat movement, a group of young people who rejected the conformity of the 1950s – a very “corporate” time. To get a feeling for their mentality, here is a quote from William S. Burroughs, one of their inspirations:

In the U.S., you have to be a deviant or die of boredom.

The Beats were, as one writer put it, “a whole bunch of people, of all different nationalities, who came to the conclusion that society sucked.”

The hippies, on the other hand, believed that they could make life better. And that was the great difference between the hippies and most other movements – the hippies acted. They changed their lives, painted their cars, and wore strange clothing. Rather than cowering at the thought of being different, they went out of their way to show their difference, and there’s something deeply transformative about that.

I’ll forgo a history of the movement and get right into the wisdom of the hippies. Let’s begin with the thoughts of two early hippies. First, some thoughts direct from the early days, care of Bob Stubbs:

We have a private revolution going on. A revolution of individuality and diversity that can only be private. Upon becoming a group movement, such a revolution ends up with imitators rather than participants.

Another, from Dr. Debra Jan Bibel:

Yes, it was sex, drugs, and rock & roll, but it was also spirituality and consciousness studies that eventually led to environmental/ecology movements, cognitive neuroscience, and psychoimmunology, as well as the increasing popularity of Buddhism in the United States and the development of world music appreciation…

Dr. Bibel is writing after the fact, of course, and you can see her disappointment with what the movement became. She continues:

The hippie wannabes spoiled the scene, did not understand the ideologies nor the proper use of entheogens. The popular image of hippies was of them, not the more thoughtful, experimental, and realized post-Beats, the pioneers who led the way.

As happens so often, the first people come for internal reasons and do the important work. Then others come along, wanting to lead the group and take credit for it as well.

From the early hippie habit of action came many of the better developments of the 1960s: new thoughts, new perspectives, the belief that they could live and thrive as individuals, not nameless insects in a giant hive.

But, more important than anything else, the early hippies discovered that they could activate their own will… that they could live their way, create the things they loved, and ignore the expectations of the state-tribe.

Once people reclaim their will, new, interesting and beneficial things tend to sprout up on every side.

The Thoughts They Sought Out

The hippies were very young, and even though they were generally intelligent kids, they knew that they lacked data and perspective, and so turned to older, experienced men.

Perhaps the best of these older teachers was Buckminster Fuller, a fascinating and good man. Here are some of his thoughts:

Politicians are always realistically maneuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers.

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I seem to be a verb.

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The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun.

* * *

You’ll see from this next one that Fuller makes up his own words. Bear in mind that he was a very serious engineer, so these odd word combinations were created carefully and are used with precision. You may have to read the passage slowly, but if you do, you’ll see that these are coherent thoughts.

The youth of humanity all around our planet are intuitively revolting from all sovereignties and political ideologies. The youth of Earth are moving intuitively toward an utterly classless, raceless, omnicooperative, omniworld humanity.

Children freed of the ignorantly founded educational traditions and exposed only to their spontaneously summoned, computer-stored and -distributed outflow of reliable-opinion-purged, experimentally verified data, shall indeed lead society to its happy egress from all misinformedly conceived, fearfully and legally imposed, and physically enforced customs of yesterday.

They can lead all humanity into omnisuccessful survival as well as entrance into an utterly new era of human experience in an as-yet and ever-will-be fundamentally mysterious Universe.

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You can see that Fuller is deeply concerned with change in the world. Here are several more on that subject:

When I was born, humanity was 95 per cent illiterate. Since I’ve been born, the population has doubled and that total population is now 65 per cent literate. That’s a gain of 130-fold of the literacy. When humanity is primarily illiterate, it needs leaders to understand and get the information and deal with it. When we are at the point where the majority of humans themselves are literate, able to get the information, we’re in an entirely new relationship to Universe. We are at the point where the integrity of the individual counts and not what the political leadership or the religious leadership says to do.

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We are powerfully imprisoned in these Dark Ages simply by the terms in which we have been conditioned to think.

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Dear reader, traditional human power structures and their reign of darkness are about to be rendered obsolete.

* * *

Whether it is to be Utopia or Oblivion will be a touch-and-go relay race right up to the final moment… Humanity is in ‘final exam’ as to whether or not it qualifies for continuance in Universe.

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I’ll close with a practical thought from Fuller. This is one that all of us should be taking seriously:

You never change anything by fighting the existing. To change something, build a new model and make the existing obsolete.

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Regardless of how we wear our hair and our clothes, we should all, like the hippies, act to make life better. Now.

Peace.

Paul Rosenberg

[Editor’s Note: Paul Rosenberg is the outside-the-Matrix author of FreemansPerspective.com, a site dedicated to economic freedom, personal independence and privacy. He is also the author of The Great Calendar, a report that breaks down our complex world into an easy-to-understand model. Click here to get your free copy.]

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sensetti
sensetti
December 4, 2013 7:29 am

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flash
flash
December 4, 2013 8:19 am

Thanks to the nihilist generation, the entertainment factor has superseded responsibility in general to the point where the positive is created by merely thinking it or so we’re told.

Olga
Olga
December 4, 2013 8:31 am

Though Gordon Wasson was both chairman for the Council on Foreign Relations and the Vice President of Public Relations for J.P. Morgan Bank, he is most famous as the individual who “discovered”, or more accurately popularized, magic mushrooms. An article in Life magazine described fantastic visions and experiences Wasson claimed to have had while under their influence (see Life, May 13, 1957 – Seeking the Magic Mushroom). Wasson’s claims were the first description of the effects of psilocybin (“magic”) mushrooms presented to the general public.

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/manufacturing-the-deadhead-a-product-of-social-engineering-by-joe-atwill-and-jan-irvin/

icanhazcatpictures
icanhazcatpictures
December 4, 2013 8:52 am

god damned dirty hippies

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo
December 4, 2013 10:27 am

“As happens so often, the first people come for internal reasons and do the important work. Then others come along, wanting to lead the group and take credit for it as well.”

Oddly, this made me think of the Tea Party.

Thinker
Thinker
December 4, 2013 10:59 am

PJ: and Occupy.

SAH
SAH
December 4, 2013 11:00 am

Buckminster Fuller was a brilliant and droll NOMAD from the Lost generation — which fully explains why his quotes are awesome and his point of view is so on point. The Beats were HEROS (GI gen) and older ARTISTS (Silent gen), and they were very cool culture makers. The fucking goddamned Hippies (as we conceive of them) are fucking goddamn shit eating Baby Boomers. Being a “Hippie” was a consumerist trend for Boomers, Credit Cards were a consumerist trend for boomers, Debt, Housing bubble, Walmart, Stock Market, SUVs, Viagra & Penis pumps, Disco, fertility drugs, plastic surgery, all you can eat buffets, obesity, crocs shoes, crushing younger generations under national debt and becoming hawkish, pro-war assholes….. Boomers go from one trend to the next, and that is why every other generation hates them and hates “Hippies” because the “Hippies” were the same fucking Boomers who have created every other abomination in modern America with their ginormous numbers. Whatever horrible consumerist trend the Boomers get on board with is the bullshit the rest of us get forced to put up with.

Buckminster Fuller is about as much of an influence on Boomer Hippies as the great nomad president Grover Cleavland was to that prophet gen fucktard FDR.

SAH
SAH
December 4, 2013 11:05 am

Grover Cleveland
Fucking touch screen QWERTY.

AWD
AWD
December 4, 2013 11:57 am

The only people that like or give a shit about hippies are hippies. We had a high-functioning country and society, complete with family values, marriage, work ethic, morals, ethics, spiritual commonality. Then the boomer hippies decided to tear it all down.

And now we have socialism, the welfare country (it’s bigger than 1/2 the states and the entire population of Germany), dissolved families, more children born out of wedlock, women’s rights, diversity, political correctness, institutionalized victimhood, no values except getting something for nothing, sloth, gluttony, greed, affirmative action, the end of personal responsibility, and anything goes and nothing matters.

The hippies, like communist and anarchist radicals, weren’t happy until the entire edifice of our society was torn down. And hippies didn’t have any problem living beyond their means their whole lives and blowing up the biggest debt bubble in the history of mankind. Turns out, they weren’t “cool” and “hip” after all, just selfish gimme gimme gimme vortexes of consumption, the most obese generation in the history of mankind. And, due to their offensive filth and drug usage, started the war on drugs in the early 70’s. How can one group, one generation fuck things up so badly?

bb
bb
December 4, 2013 12:23 pm

I see miss misery is back with her complaining about the boomers and then comes AWD with his typical anti boomer rant.You two need to get married so You can be happy in misery together.You both make to many generalizations about groups of people from different ages and backgrounds.You’re starting to sound like liberals.

Stucky
Stucky
December 4, 2013 4:13 pm

” …… the “Hippies” were the same fucking Boomers who have created every other abomination in modern America …” ———-SAH

Exaggerate much?

Nothing quite like a Boomer post to draw out SAH.

The hate. The venom. It’s all so cute at this point.

AWD
AWD
December 4, 2013 5:34 pm

Me and SAH will someday live in transhuman bliss on a server somewhere…..

Stucky
Stucky
December 4, 2013 5:56 pm

AWD

You will probably be the Zero.

Billy
Billy
December 4, 2013 6:20 pm

“We have a private revolution going on. A revolution of individuality and diversity that can only be private. Upon becoming a group movement, such a revolution ends up with imitators rather than participants.

Yes, it was sex, drugs, and rock & roll, but it was also spirituality and consciousness studies that eventually led to environmental/ecology movements, cognitive neuroscience, and psychoimmunology, as well as the increasing popularity of Buddhism in the United States and the development of world music appreciation…”

The MOST PAMPERED generation in US history turned into a bunch of self-absorbed stoners and hedonists- told mommy and daddy they didn’t like their rules, didn’t like societies rules (that had kept the Republic more or less on an even keel since 1789), etc, etc.. so, they went out of their way to destroy all that shit..

And they succeeded.

FUCK the hippies.

And what the blue fuck does THIS shit mean??? —> “cognitive neuroscience, and psychoimmunology”

Sounds like a bunch of made-up bullshit… probably a result of one too many turns at the bong…

Scott
Scott
December 4, 2013 8:46 pm

SAH, first comment good-thumbs up. AWD first comment good-thumbs up. All the thumbs down have to be boomer thumbs. Statistically I fall in at the tail end of the boomers, being born in 1962. Though I never have considered myself one. I always considered my self to be in no-mans land. To young to be a boomer and to old to be a Gen-xer. AWD and SAH at least now the boomers are dying off in record numbers. I say good bye and good riddance. My 79 year old father has said numerous times that the boomers have completely destroyed this country. With that being said I have to agree.

Leobeer
Leobeer
December 4, 2013 8:50 pm

Hey SAH, you left out the bit about aborting your 50 million brothers and sisters.

llpoh
llpoh
December 4, 2013 9:22 pm

Only the Admin so honors. The rest of the monkeys know that Admin is just another fat-ass boomer, and he will do anything to keep from admitting it.

If S+H were to change their definition, he would disown them in a heartbeat, and would look elsewhere for a definition. Hell, if the Scientologists backed him up on those dates, next thing you know he would be posting L Ron Hubbard articles.

Admin is a boomer. End of story.

llpoh
llpoh
December 4, 2013 9:42 pm

I hope they are all lions and no lionesses, or I am gonna catch it. I shoulda checked first.

HalfPint
HalfPint
December 4, 2013 10:31 pm

Billy, I think Albert Einstein was thinking of you when he said “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” Your lucky stupidity is not punishable by death. I really think that if you were any slower, you’d be going backwards. My guess is that you have just enough intelligence to open your mouth when your hungry, but certainly no more. By the way, the millennials are typically considered the “pampered generation”.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
December 4, 2013 11:28 pm

FUCK the hippies. -Billy

Today we call them doomer preppers w/o a bong.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
December 4, 2013 11:33 pm

Though I am pretty sure most alaskans have bongs, meth and alcohol in their bugout means.

flash
flash
December 5, 2013 7:38 am

… The leadership structure of the former hippie/ future minnie-me movement explained.
Stupid is as stupid does…and as long as someone else has the ability to pay…until then?

HalfPint
HalfPint
December 5, 2013 9:25 am

Billy, I only said you were stupid. Every comment you make only solidifies that observation. It makes a lot of sense you would be one to read Bork. His brilliant skewering of the 60’s culture is your opinion, and one that is not held by many. Again, only solidification of your stupidity.

HalfPint
HalfPint
December 5, 2013 10:56 am

Ted Kennedy said about Bork “Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens.” I didn’t like Kennedy either, but I think his characterization of Bork is spot on. Again, based on your comments, I can see why you like Bork, and that is one of the many reasons I think your stupid. Your the reason there is no “Peak Stupidity”. Each comment raises the previous peak.

Billy
Billy
December 5, 2013 11:19 am

Halfdick

You cite TED KENNEDY?

The very same Ted Kennedy, that fucking drunk of a murderer whose daddy bought him his way into government with money he got from running booze during Prohibition?

The same Kennedy whose family used The Mob to leverage their spawn into government?

The same Ted Kennedy that flat-out lied to Congress when he said of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act (that he authored): “This bill will not change the demographics of the United States”?

The same Ted Kennedy that worked to enact Obongo-Care? Calling it “the cause of my life”?

The same Ted Kennedy whose daddy got him out of the Korean War? (Instead, Teddy spent his time mountain climbing in Europe while assigned to SHAPE… while better men died half a world away).

The Ted Kennedy that drunkenly caroused with that motherfucker Chris Dodd? (Dodd, the author of the 1968 Gun Control Act, used his personal copy of the 1933 Nazi antigun law as a template- Teddy was part of that, too).

The Ted Kennedy that worked to strip Americans of their 2A Constitutional rights over the course of his entire lifetime?

The Ted Kennedy who worked to amnesty bazillions of illegals, sucking their dicks in the hopes of having a new multigenerational Demofuck voting bloc?

If Ted Kennedy hated the Judge, then that’s all the endorsement I need to support him.

FUCK Ted Kennedy… I hope he died screaming from his brain cancer… fucking puke.

HalfPint
HalfPint
December 5, 2013 11:31 am

I’m just trying to keep you occupied on this thread so you don’t pollute the others with your trash.

Billy
Billy
December 5, 2013 11:42 am

Halfdick

“I’m just trying to keep you occupied on this thread so you don’t pollute the others with your trash.”

No, what you’re doing is wasting everyone’s time (except mine… I love curb-stomping shitheads like you) with bullshit comments. Something like this:

Me: “Hippies suck! Here’s why (lists reasons A, B, C, etc..)

You: “Yer stoopid! Stoopid stoopid stoopid! Huuuurrrr…”

Me: “Um, fraid not douchenozzle. Here’s why (lists reasons, A, B, C, etc.. backs up position with constitutional scholar, professor and former Federal Judge)

You: “Huuur! Ted Kennedy hated him! So your wrong!”

I bet you just loved sucking Ted Kennedy’s dick, you fucking bucket of anal pus… it’s paint chip eating window lickers like you that have destroyed this Republic.

Keep sucking that Progressive dick, Halfwit…. slurp, slurp, slurp…

Eddie
Eddie
December 5, 2013 11:46 am

I’m a boomer…born 1955. I first read Buckminster Fuller in about 1971 or 1972. Ran across him courtesy of Stewart Brand and Co., aka The Last Whole Earth Catalog. He influenced me profoundly then, along with some others, like Paolo Soleri and Michael Reynolds and Lloyd Kahn.

I was never a hippie, just a slightly younger wannabe who finally decided to buy into BAU, wrongfully supposing that the dire circumstances that Bucky and others were warning us about would not occur in my lifetime. I expect that was the case with a lot of us, that we took the course of least resistance, not wishing to try to remake the world from the ground up.

Looking back now I can see that the real hippies, those people out in New Mexico who were trying to build domes out of wrecked out car roofs and grow their own food and learn a sustainable lifestyle…were prescient individuals who were willing to take a stand for what we then called “the environment” and willing to try and fail on the way to building a different world.

I often wonder these days if some of the effects of climate change might have been averted if that early wave of change hadn’t stalled out.

By the late seventies and early eighties it was all ancient history, though.

As Dr. Thompson wrote:

“Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era—the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run . . . but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant. . . .

History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshit, but even without being sure of “history” it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened.

My central memory of that time seems to hang on one or five or maybe forty nights—or very early mornings—when I left the Fillmore half-crazy and, instead of going home, aimed the big 650 Lightning across the Bay Bridge at a hundred miles an hour wearing L. L. Bean shorts and a Butte sheepherder’s jacket . . . booming through the Treasure Island tunnel at the lights of Oakland and Berkeley and Richmond, not quite sure which turn-off to take when I got to the other end (always stalling at the toll-gate, too twisted to find neutral while I fumbled for change) . . . but being absolutely certain that no matter which way I went I would come to a place where people were just as high and wild as I was: No doubt at all about that. . . .

There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda. . . . You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. . . .

And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.”

HalfPint
HalfPint
December 5, 2013 11:49 am

Most people would agree, its better to have a bottle in front of me instead of a frontal lobotomy. Not Billy!

Billy
Billy
December 5, 2013 11:59 am

Halfassed

“Most people would agree, its better to have a bottle in front of me instead of a frontal lobotomy.”

Hey shit-heels, the 70’s called. They said they want their insults back.

What’s next? “Up your nose with a rubber hose?”

You need to stop watching reruns of Welcome Back Kotter…

Billy
Billy
December 5, 2013 12:01 pm

@ Admin

“You sure do remind me of Smokey. You have that same calm demeanor and civility.”

I thought “fucking bucket of anal pus” was particularly good…

Billy
Billy
December 5, 2013 12:12 pm

Eddie

“I often wonder these days if some of the effects of climate change might have been averted if that early wave of change hadn’t stalled out.”

Oh please… climate change? Really? Fucking REALLY??

When I was a kid, all the “scientists” swore up and down that we were screaming headfirst into a new Ice Age.

When that didn’t happen, they swore up and down we had “Global warming”…

When the data showed that “Global warming” was bullshit and was, in fact, invented specifically so the ‘carbon credit’ could come into being, allowing for massive shakedowns of 1st world countries by 3rd world countries, they changed it to ‘climate change’…

News flash- the Earth is not static. Never has been. Never will be. The climate is ALWAYS changing. Since humans (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) have been around, there have been 4 major glaciations…

The argument seems to be that a species of hairless ape can, through his efforts, somehow change the climate to something other than what the Earth wants it to be… And, since just ONE active volcano (of which there are scores) spews out more CFC’s in one day than every internal combustion engine ever made, combined, I’m tempted to think that the answer is “No”.

Environmentalism is a religion that is populated by zealots… the hippies had it wrong- It’s not the Earth that needs “saving” (whatever that means), it is humanity.

We can biff every nuclear weapon we have right now. Burn it all. Life will return. It might take a few million years, but it WILL come back. It might not look anything like what it does now, but it WILL come back…

“Save the Earth” is just a euphemism for “Save my ass”. If the enviro-whackjobs were at least honest about it, I wouldn’t have nearly as big a problem with them…

Eddie
Eddie
December 5, 2013 1:02 pm

Dear Billy

I said I wondered, I didn’t say I knew. I don’t and neither do you. So go fuck yourself. I still wonder and always will, probably.

You don’t have any news flashes I haven’t heard. I’m up to date on climate change, having read a number of books on the subject. I make up my own mind about such matters and you’re free do the same.

So, what have you done to save humanity? I’m guessing not a whole lot.

Billy
Billy
December 5, 2013 2:27 pm

Eddie

“I said I wondered, I didn’t say I knew. I don’t and neither do you. So go fuck yourself. I still wonder and always will, probably.”

Oooo, tough guy! Disingenuous piece of shit… don’t try to back-peddle away from your comment – Specifically, THIS one —-> “I often wonder these days if some of the effects of climate change might have been averted if that early wave of change hadn’t stalled out.”

Hey Mr. I-read-some-books? Why don’t you spell out for the rest of us ignorant proles exactly WHAT those “effects of climate change” are? Come on, I know you can do it. Don’t sit there and hide like a little bitch behind the word “wonder” like it’s a get-out-of-jail-free card…. You know what you meant by this statement. WE know what you meant by it. So come on – own it. Step up and tell us what those “effects” are.

That is, any “effects” that otherwise would not have occurred if humanity were not present on the Earth… come on, Tough Guy With Books – prove a negative. Prove that without humanity, these “effects” would not have happened… I got time. I can wait.

Tick tock.

“So, what have you done to save humanity? I’m guessing not a whole lot.”

HAH! What have I done? Not a goddamned thing and I never claimed otherwise. Nice try putting words in my mouth, you bloody vaginal belch.

In fact, I was just the OPPOSITE, you self-righteous, smug ass cumstain. I was a soldier. A Lifer. Combat Infantry. It was my job to ELIMINATE people, and I was damn good at it. Of course, at the time those people were trying to kill me, so it’s all good.

You should be happy I was a soldier. Did my part to reduce the Earth’s population, thereby saving it from some of humanity’s potential abuse….

Here… something for you eco-fags..

Eddie
Eddie
December 6, 2013 2:53 pm

” Why don’t you spell out for the rest of us ignorant proles exactly WHAT those “effects of climate change” are? Come on, I know you can do it. Don’t sit there and hide like a little bitch behind the word “wonder” like it’s a get-out-of-jail-free card…. You know what you meant by this statement. WE know what you meant by it. So come on – own it. Step up and tell us what those “effects” are. ”

Well, dumbass, I have to get my information somewhere, and I look around and read the best I can find. In these days of Bernaysian bullshit, there is plenty of deliberately confusing “information” out there, so I take it all with a grain of salt.

But the climate IS changing, that part should be fucking obvious even to someone retarded enough to join the military without being forced to. Where I live we’re in a fucking bad drought. That’s the main effect I’m worried about at the moment, although some smart people think maybe the ocean is gonna heat up and we’ll all die in maybe 20-30 years. I don’t know, but I trust Guy McPherson and Bill McKibben more than I trust you. At least they went to school.

“In fact, I was just the OPPOSITE, you self-righteous, smug ass cumstain. I was a soldier. A Lifer. Combat Infantry. It was my job to ELIMINATE people, and I was damn good at it. Of course, at the time those people were trying to kill me, so it’s all good.”

What a load of shit. Supporting useless eaters like you during peace time is what’s bankrupted this country. Military service may be your ticket to respect around here, but as far as I’m concerned, you’re just another welfare recipient who lived off the government his whole adult life because it was easier than getting a productive job.

I suspect that in some lifetime, you’ll get to work off the karma you collected out there killing for God and country, assuming you aren’t just blowing smoke.

You talk a lot of shit. Lots of people talk shit. Talking shit don’t mean shit to me. You seem to assume (What did they teach you about that soldier boy, remember?) that I’m some kind of fairy tree hugger. You’d be very wrong about that.