It just keeps getting better for my wisdom on legal pot. How’s this January 27, 2014 article from the liberal Denver Post written by reporters Steve Raabe and Andy Young strike you? Party on, Garth.
“As recreational cannabis sales begin Jan. 1, one fact is sometimes overlooked: Employers still can fire workers for using it on- or off-duty.
State law gives employers full authority to impose any drug prohibitions they wish, despite it being legal in Colorado for adults to possess and consume marijuana.
“Employers hold all the cards,” said Curtis Graves, a staff attorney for the Mountain States Employers Council.
So you smoke only off-duty? Not good enough. Consuming just at home provides no protection if your workplace drug test comes back positive for marijuana.
Amid the euphoria of approving legal pot, some cannabis enthusiasts may have overlooked a key piece of fine print in Amendment 64. Nothing in the law will “affect the ability of employers to have policies restricting the use of marijuana by employees,” the amendment states. That includes getting high at work or even after hours, according to legal experts and judicial rulings.”
Read more: Employers can still fire Colorado pot smokers for legal use – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_24799683/employers-can-still-fire-pot-smokers-legal-use#ixzz2tYCCDgbi
SSS I’m sure someone will sue an employer and get the legal system to address this issue.
I don’t smoke but I wouldn’t fire an employee for smoking, unless he smoked on the job and we could prove it.
Which is difficult as you can give a drug test to a employee and they can show positive on Thursday even though they smoked at a Zac Brown concert Saturday night, or even weeks before.
I’ve fired one employee for smoking on the job, he was out in his truck and when I showed up he stepped out in a cloud of smoke, that was easy. One employee for drinking at lunch, he actually said that was his time and he could do what he wants. One for cocaine, smashed his hand and was positive, Doc said unlike pot when you are positive for coke, you just did some.
Was at a Christmas party about five years ago, sat next to a distinguished looking fellow, he was drinking straight vodka, then he asked if I would mind if he lit his bowl, nope, he offered, no thanks, then proceeded to tell me he’s an eye surgeon, and this is how he relaxes the night before a surgery. Party on Doc!
some companies will change their policies so they don’t risk losing the workers they want to keep around.
this will be an issue for the near future but what will eventually happen is they will test not whether the person has consumed pot in the last 2-4 weeks (like they do now) but whether they are affected at that point in time.
some businesses won’t want their employees to ever touch it and they will likey leave their policies alone.
what is the greatest unknown in my mind is how the fed guvthugs will react in regards to the danger legalized pot is to DEA jobs (and likely other destructive alphabet agencies) and the ever profitable Prison Industrial Complex that needs the US to keep up the highest rate of inmates per capita.
Federal Law on drug testing is the problem. All Organizations under the control of the Feds such as the Department of Transportation, utility companies, truck drivers, etc etc are subject to random drug testing, State law is irrelevant in such cases.
I am a States right advocate, fuck the Feds, let each state determine the laws that govern the citizens of that state. Very little wisdom comes out of DC, we would be much better off if they had a minimal role in our lives.
The sheer fact that Colorado passed this law in an act of nullification of federal law is an encouraging first step. It is the first of many such laws that will be passed. As federal dollars and funding dry up the federal Bureaucrats will find their Power over the state fading away
“It just keeps getting better for my wisdom on legal pot.” ———– SSS
Employers can punish employees for engaging in LEGAL activities … even if they occur in the employees home! I thought you were a law & order kind of guy. Why does this make you happy? Because you like to pick & choose which laws should be followed according to your liking?
SSS, I hate to cut your glee pee stream short , but people can be fired for a myriad of reasons, drug use on or off duty is just one of them..I’ve fired people for walking around with their shoes untied after being told to tie them.If your too damn sorry to tie your shoes, your too damn sorry to work for me. ….but6 I’ve never fired anyone for their off duty drug use.As long as their perform their duties at work, I could careless what they do at home.. You’re can take the bitch out of government , but you can never get the government out of the bitch…enuff said.
Other than stirring up shit, I’ve no idea what SSS meant by this. He didn’t even bother to try linking his stance with the article.
The old bastard has finally marched off into the abyss of senility.
Since marijuana consumption (even “medicinal”) is still illegal at the federal level, getting a medical marijuana card in a state like CA could – if the feds wanted to pursue this – mean failing a background check for gun purchases. Of course, in Obama’s third term they’ll probably just declare that the desire to own a weapon is evidence of insanity and reason itself to fail a background check. If I lived in CO or WA and had a desire to buy legal weed, I’d use cash. The question is not whether you’re paranoid, it’s whether you’re paranoid enough.
Stucky says in regards to SSS: you like to pick & choose which laws should be followed according to your liking?
Apparently Obongo has influenced triple S……to his detriment I fear.
Your glee is disturbing SSS. Seems you enjoy destroying peoples’ lives for the use of a God-made herb because your brainwashers told you they deserve it. Seems you deeply enjoyed your job and the legislative destruction our laws have rained down upon our souls.
You know prohibition doesn’t work. Or do you still abstain because the smart people in gubment tells us it is bad, bad, bad (as they use it themselves, exactly like all other things prohibited) It has never worked for prostitution, porn, alcohol, drugs and now deadly-foods and deadly, yet legal, prescriptions.
Keep on enjoying your Schadenfreude, maybe in the next world you will figure out that my life choices are none of your freaking business.
Or not, I have the distinct feeling that failure to become enlightened is a form of hell. Of course I’ll be dead before I can prove it, so happy dance on SSS, happy dance on.
TeresaE, none of your life choices are SSS’s business… Until you’re asking SSS for a job.
For some reason, the Feds won’t piss test people getting welfare and disability. They should, and dump anybody that’s positive for illegal drugs, which would be half of the FSA.
Joe blow smokes weed, gets pissed tested at work, is positive and is fired. Then he gets unemployment benefits for 99 weeks, during which time he gets signed up for disability. Problem solved. You don’t need a job in the USSA. 50% of the population is getting money from the government, which they can spend on weed in Colorado. And food stamps to buy Doritos and cokes to munch while they’re stoned and watching Duck Dynasty and Honey boo boo on the tube.
Legalize all drugs. Have the law enforced when the rights of others are violated.
@Iska, I may be wrong, but I don’t believe SSS has ever provided jobs from his own endeavors. Spending the taxpayers’ budgets don’t qualify.
AWD, I’ll only back that idea if EVERY government employee is tested – and fired – first. You miss the forest, for the trees. Government employees cost us as much – more if pensions are included – as the FSA and yet you harp on the poorest and least capable of functioning. In large part due to the gubment drones.
Why are our rulers and gubment-sponsered bullies ignored and exempted. This is the height of hypocrisy.
Pot would be legal within a week or the feds would be in serious staffing trouble.
Then, after cleaning out the biggest taxpayer boondoggle, go after the nation’s idiots and poor.
Priorities dude, priorities.
I think every one who works in government at all level , from the offal office on down should be pissed tested…and then we would see just who the hypocrites really are.
SSS- I don’t doubt people will twist the laws. It is something worth pointing out that currently legalizing weed does not make current laws invalid. It is going to take years to work out all the years of prohibition. However, most people will not care about their employers stance. When service sector jobs are the top employers, no one cares. Every job I have worked since turning 16 has been filled with potheads including management.
“Legalize all drugs. Have the law enforced when the rights of others are violated.”
Sorry, this I cannot support.
There are drugs that can enslave large populations other populace, and guarantee corporations profits for generations. They fundamentally change the chemistry of someone so that they need the drug just to go on in life.
Most notably opiates, and the opium wars that they caused.
Furthermore, a good pharma company could easily “weaponize” their product to maximize addiction rate.
Hell, given how this country operates it would be easy for a russian or chinese firm to open up a drug dispensary outside of each major US military base and push shit that wrecks our ability to wage war.
The Feds or the state of Colorado didn’t allow pot to be legal, voters did. The government, and the Feds in particular are looking askance at Colorado, knowing full well what is going to happen, because if you think this is going to be allowed to stand, you’re a fucking idiot. The war on drugs supports millions of government drone employees and the military/industrial/security complex that sells billions in hardware to the DEA and DHS.
Legalized weed is a giant bear trap, a drag line capturing all kinds of suckers in it’s web, and then one day the trap is going to slam shut. The Feds will swoop in and seize everything and arrest everyone. There is simply too much money to be made from drug prohibition and the government is not simply going to shut down the drug enforcement apparatus and return power and choice to people They will never relinquish one iota of the power and fascism they have acquired. Mark my words folks.
TPC, the US military bases are the illegal and legal drug dispensaries of the world…ask any vet…The amount and variety of drugs when I was unbelievable and the mail rooms around the globe where the delivery systems….you might even say the DEA and CIA would be in fierce competition to bring in more drugs than the US military…and speaking of vice, don’t forget about the whores….they spread shit more dangerous than drug abuse.
Heroes they’re called.
http://gawker.com/female-soldiers-were-goaded-into-prostitution-on-texas-1476478711
Female Soldiers Were Goaded Into Prostitution on Texas Army Base
Several “young, cash-strapped female privates” from Ft. Hood testified this week that they were pressured to prostitute themselves to superiors—and that the senior soldier who pressed them was his unit’s sexual assault prevention officer.
[Photo credit: Bigstock Photo]
I’m sure businesses will fire people until they realize that some of them are not easily replaced
I once worked with a gentleman who was an open pot smoker
he was an outstanding manager
I witnessed him telling the district manager that he smoked up daily
he was never fired, or even tested when others were
retired age 62
I worked with him for the better part of fifteen years
my drug of choice is coffee, and lots of it
but I do see the merits of weed for medical purposes
cant speak to recreational users having never tried it
Stucky what happened to not posting pics is it ok again?
Where the fuck is admin? He’s been gone for a week now without a peep.
Copying and pasting articles …. that I understand.
Pictures? I have NO idea what is or isn’t allowed. So, until I do, I’ll keep posting them.
Oh …. the one thing I do understand ….. no titty pics, or other sexual type pics.
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I still like that pic with the nuts, Sensetti, how much for the original?
People using drugs to get high are fucked up. People swarming pot shops just because they are legal now, are stupid. My nightmare scenario is someone who dies while stoned, how fucked up is that? However, I am glad my buddy Ray enjoyed some medical ganja the last months of his life, he was in a lot of pain and used other painkillers also.
I don’t know SSS’s motivations for posting this or what he is or is not gleeful about, but I find it funny that some people think anything they do or are makes them part of some legally protected class. Pot smokers are not a protected class. People with pierced eyebrows are not a protected class. People with mullets are not a protected class. People with tattoos are not a protected class. Pants halfway down your ass does not make you part of a protected class. Men who wear ladies’ clothes…unfortunately probably a protected class.
Chen, I don’t believe there is a single case of anyone, ever, dying from smoking pot. I won’t advocate it, but if you are one of those people who likes getting high, there is simply no safer way to do it. I have repeatedly suggested to SSS that it would likely enhance his golfing experience.
In a truly free society, each party would be able to decide to act in its’ own best interests. To wit:
I truly believe that marijuana should be no be illegal than the common garden tomato. Go to Home Depot, purchase your seeds, and grow to your hearts’ content. Keep the government out of the growing, sales, and distribution business, and keep the tax issue a moot point. (Save for the sales tax you pay on the seed packets.)
On the other hand, I work for a large construction company. I am subject to random drug testing. I comply with their rules, because it’s worth my effort to do so. In other words, I don’t smoke pot because it’s not worth losing my job over.
There are probably a number of studies that show a high degree of correlation between marijuana use and accidents on a construction site. Thus, it’s in my employer’s best interests, in order to keep insurance costs, lawsuits, and other associated costs down, to drug test their employees to manage that risk.
Both parties have a choice in this business agreement. For me, I choose not to smoke pot because I value my job more than I value getting high. My company has the choice to fire/not fire me, drug test me or not.
This is simply not a matter for the Government to interfere with.
SSS
Stop, you are clearly posting out of some narcissistic self congratulatory impulse, devoid of intellectual support or merit. I put time and effort into engaging you into an open discussion on your last post (yesterday), with many(I feel) legitimate questions……crickets. Now this drivel. Sophomoric drivel. Is this your response?
TPC
“Furthermore, a good pharma company could easily “weaponize” their product to maximize addiction rate.” Can you say Oxy, tobacco, adderol ? I am no fan of the thought of complete legalization, but I fear at current rates of use and abuse, we are near the tipping point. Everyone who wants drugs is clearly getting them. Our current paradigm or “war” is not working/broken, I feel very comfortable with this. I am open to all suggestions for a viable exit strategy.
Flash
“the US military bases are the illegal and legal drug dispensaries of the world…” frightening, see Baghram. Compare heroin use and overdose in 2002 and now after 12 years of “protected” production. What chance do we have against the unholy triumvirate of Government, Banks, and Military?
Sensetti
“The sheer fact that Colorado passed this law in an act of nullification of federal law is an encouraging first step.” This is the basis for my support of Amendment 64, power is concentrating in unhealthy ways. Not some get rich dealin weed notion, SSS hangs on us to bear with shame. Actually Coloradans can now grow plenty of their own for free, no oversight, its a weed, very little tax revenue there.
Iska paranoia is a funny thing, separated from prudence only by outcome.
You people are flopping around like a fish on a boat dock.
I’ve stated on this site at least four and a half billion times, maybe more, that I favor decriminalization of pot for personal use. You don’t want to hear that. You want to hear legalization. Well, fuck you and the horse you rode in on, all of you. You’re not going to get it from me. Got it? Do we understand each other now?
I’ve written two articles on WHY Colorado’s legal pot law will fail (overtaxed, cost of overhead, etc), and I have yet to receive one, single solitary comment from anyone countering the points I made. Not one. You want to know why you can’t present a logical counterpoint? Because there IS no logical counterpoint, or one of you geniuses would have made it.
You’d rather engage in personal attacks and sputter about states rights or some other fucking shit that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. Then, I posted THIS article simply to show that, in Colorado, the consequences of smoking pot vis a vis your job, haven’t gone away.
Sure enough, factual as the article is, the smear brigade shows up and starts to shit on ME for posting it. Oh, did I hurt your feelings by telling you the truth? I’m so sorry, my precious little darlings. Please forgive me for my insensitivity.
“Because there IS no logical counterpoint, or one of you geniuses would have made it.”
Ok, I will give you one. You want to say costs will sink the weed trade in Colorado. I think I recall you talking about the price of weed since it became legal in Colorado. I believe it jumped to $500 an oz. Now, that is not a steep price. Actually it is quite fair. Colorado weed is the best weed in the country. People know this. Through legal medical marijuana, growers have damn well perfected the best high in Colorado weed. You are looking at the wrong statistics. You need to read information about Colorado weed and how it is created. It gives you a different perspective. This is not low grade legal weed being sold at hyper inflated prices. This is high quality being given a fair price through the new free market of Colorado.
“You (SSS) want to say costs will sink the weed trade in Colorado. I think I recall you talking about the price of weed since it became legal in Colorado. I believe it jumped to $500 an oz. Now, that is not a steep price. ….. Colorado weed is the best weed in the country. …… growers have damn well perfected the best high in Colorado weed. You are looking at the wrong statistics. You need to read information about Colorado weed and how it is created. …… This is not low grade legal weed being sold at hyper inflated prices. This is high quality being given a fair price through the new free market of Colorado.”
—-Stephanie
You’re addressing your comments to the Breckenridge and Aspen crowd, along with the overpaid professors in Boulder and Ft. Collins, Stephanie. So I wouldn’t argue with you there.
What you’re missing is probably 95% of pot smokers. Young folks and millions of Joe and Jane Six-Packs who can’t AFFORD the really good shit. They shop price because they have to (have you heard of Wal-Mart?), not quality. That’s where the pot market is.
Thanks for playing.
Ok, I will give you one. You want to say costs will sink the weed trade in Colorado. I think I recall you talking about the price of weed since it became legal in Colorado. I believe it jumped to $500 an oz. Now, that is not a steep price. Actually it is quite fair. Colorado weed is the best weed in the country. People know this -ss
it is steep, and would not help to undermine drug traffikers.
Maybe you have smoked colorado weed?
btw i used to smoke alot of weed, as I have gotten older it no longer appeals to me. but in the day humboldt county weed was the best.
but, driving under the influence does bring other things to mention.
thc does stay in your system for a month, though while not high when arrested your thc level shows you to fail the test.
since thc changes ocular pressure this will, imho, become the modern day metric as alcohol is to breathalyzers.
$500 an ounce for something that costs cents an ounce to grow is exhorbitant. Black market/illegal trade will flourish if it costs so much.
For instance, illegal tobacco sales in the US is skyrocketing, owing to the ever increasing taxation on a product that is very inexpensive to grow. Tax loss on illegal sales of tobacco is around $10 BILLION per year in the US.
There will indeed be a lot of wacky baccy grown and sold if the legal price is $500 per ounce.
Book it, Dano.
SSS…what’s your stance on medical marijuana use /
llpoh
“There will indeed be a lot of wacky baccy grown and sold if the legal price is $500 per ounce.” There is, tons and tons literally. South Denver absolutely reeks, especially when its cold out, I assume the grow houses have to ventilate the shit out of all those millions of watts grow lamps and the scent is palpable for about 40 square blocks. There are serious amounts of folks cashing in. I dont know how much taxable income will be derived but there is massive upside for Denver and the bubs, lots of cash. Somebody is making bank.
SSS
“pot law will fail (overtaxed, cost of overhead, etc), ” These are your points. Over taxed, maybe, maybe not. The market sets the price, taxation is but a single component. This is still a black market, by design I am sure, illegality brings big profits. So for price point, sanctioned growers + tax & license are competing with the black market. So the risk of losing everything is mitigated by tax and license. So far the retail price of pot is commensurate with the black market price. All adult Coloradans can grow weed for free. A phenomena that will drastically impact the black market here for sure. You though, and the rest of your ilk in nearby states that fail to decriminalize will ensure a healthy black market and price( due to risk), ensuring the profitability of growing weed here ans selling it to your neighbors. I dont think the marginal tax rate will overcome the profitability of black market sales.
Cost of Overhead. This is not really a point to be taken seriously, unless you include Tax, which was your first point. Its a weed, that anyone can grow in the most pitiful gardening spot, with the most pitiful gardening skills, during the grow season, for free. Very little overhead, unless you include tax and formal illegality.
I have also remember another point you made about the endeavors attraction of an undesirable element moving in. They have, it sucks, and it will be used to great effect in the coming media war as to why it must fail, that and the children. I covered this before, they are setting up here to sell to you, the black market. Just as in prohibition in your day, so goes the black market, so goes the gangs. If prohibition were to end Nationally, they wouldent come here, except maybe to ski.
I welcome any thoughts or especially any input as to what we could do Differently to deal with the cancer that is our drug policy, cuz Plan A aint cuttin it.
This will become upon what i spoke of.
“SSS…what’s your stance on medical marijuana use?”
—-Buckhed
Well, at least someone asked my opinion instead of calling me a bloodsucking, useless government drone. Are you reading this, TeresaE?
I have no problems with the intent of the program, but I think it’s grossly abused. I have a good friend who’s an 84-yr-old retired, and highly regarded, surgeon who suffers from severe lower back pain. He smokes grass and tells me it helps him a lot. That’s fine. I have no problem with that. Nor do I have a problem with marijuana helping with glaucoma and similar maladays.
On the other hand, I’ve seen the customers in medical marijuana shops in California, and they’re all twenty-something. The “pain medication” hook is a fraudulent industry, by and large.
the fuck, forgive me for gving pot smokers smokin pot legallly, dumbasses. and defiing it
Well, at least someone asked my opinion instead of calling me a bloodsucking, useless government drone-SSS
I understand the agreement you signed. your a good man SSS, your other should know, if your marriage mattters.
I am the one who gives these folks freedom.
Let the snipers have me, but their wives and children not.