I don’t think I’m a Psychopath, but I certainly recognize dozens in Washington DC and in NYC on Wall Street. There are also hundreds in and around Hollywood California. Not too many in the rural areas in the middle of our fine country. Name someone who fits this description.
Guest Post by Jesse
The Hare Psychopathy Checklist
1. Look for glib and superficial charm. A psychopath will also put on what professionals refer to as a ‘mask of sanity’ that is likable and pleasant. It is a thin veneer.
2. Look for a grandiose self perception. Psychopaths will often believe they are smarter or more powerful than they actually are.
3. Watch for a constant need for stimulation. Stillness, quiet and reflection are not things embraced by psychopaths. They need constant entertainment and activity.
4. Determine if there is pathological lying. A psychopath will tell all sorts of lies; little white lies as well as huge stories intended to mislead. Psychopaths are gifted or dull, high functioning or low performing like other people. An untalented psychopath may harm a few; a highly talented psychopath may lay waste to nations. The difference between the psychopath and others lies in their organic lack of conscience and empathy for others. The sociopath is trained to lack empathy and conscience. The psychopath is a natural.
5. Evaluate the level of manipulation. All psychopaths are identified as cunning and able to get people to do things they might not normally do. They can use guilt, force and other methods to manipulate.
6. Look for any feelings of guilt. An absence of any guilt or remorse is a sign of psychopathy. They will often blame the victim.
7. Consider the level of emotional response a person has. Psychopaths demonstrate shallow emotional reactions to deaths, injuries, trauma or other events that would otherwise cause a deeper response. Other people are satisfaction suppliers, nothing more.
8. Look for a lack of empathy. Psychopaths are callous and have no way of relating to others in non-exploitative ways. They may find a temporary kinship with other psychopaths and sociopaths that is strictly utilitarian and goal-oriented.
9. Psychopaths are often parasitic. They live off other people, emotionally, physically, and financially. Their modus operandi is domination and control. They will claim to be maligned or misunderstood to gain your sympathy.
10. Look for obsessive risk taking and lack of self-control. The Hare Checklist includes three behavior indicators; poor behavior control, sexual promiscuity, and behavioral problems.
11. Psychopaths have unrealistic goals or none at all for the long term. Either there are no goals at all, or they are unattainable and based on the exaggerated sense of one’s own accomplishments and abilities.
12. Psychopaths will often be shockingly impulsive or irresponsible. Their shamelessness knows no bounds. You will ask, what were they thinking? And the answer was, they weren’t because they did not care.
13. A psychopath will not genuinely accept personal responsibility. A psychopath will never admit to being wrong or owning up to mistakes and errors in judgment, except as part of a manipulative ploy. They will despise and denigrate their victims once they are done with them. If they have any regret it is that their source of satisfaction supply has ended and they must seek another.
14. Psychopaths lack long term personal relationships. If there have been many short term marriages, broken friendships, purely transactional relationships, the chances the person is a psychopath increase. Watch especially how they treat other people in weaker positions and even animals.
15. Psychopaths are often versatile in their criminality. Psychopaths are able to get away with a lot, and while they might sometimes get caught, the ability to be flexible and adaptable when committing crimes is indicative.
If you should find yourself in a business or personal relationship with a psychopath, the best advice is seek counseling if you need, obtain assistance if you must, and run if you can. You are a diffused and multi-faceted person with many interests. A psychopath is powerfully focused on obtaining what he wishes from others, without many prohibitions or distractions. Avoidance is the best policy. Long term confinement is their best treatment.
I do not think the repetitive sociopathic behaviours and psychopathic tendencies of the Roman imperial leadership to be accidental. The mad emperors kept recurring because they were the creatures of what that culture had become, and they stood as emblems at its apex.
Men are social animals, and can go mad in groups, as well as alone. Psychopathy can be the black hole at the center of a whole galaxy of madness and sociopathy under the right conditions, and the results can be flamboyantly destructive, as we most recently saw in several places during the 20th century. The psychopaths can thrive anywhere that deception is an advantage, but their prime hunting ground is a system in crisis, a controllable chaos lacking a well defined rule of law.
banksters, CEO’s, politicians, surgeons, copfuks are the first ones that come to mind
My x wife has 3 different personalities.Does that count?
I find the idea of psychopathy interesting in this way:
I had never really considered the idea of psychopaths up until about a year ago. A friend of mine was particularly hung up on the idea because he had run into a psychopath in his business dealings. At the time, I thought it was an interesting conversation, but I couldn’t figure out the practical “nuts-and-bolts” application of the idea in my own life. It made an interesting story for Chris, but how did the psychopath impact my life? I guess that before that discussion with him, I would probably have defined psychopathy along the lines of a Hollywood slasher movie or serial killer or something.
Now, since that initial conversation, the meme of psychopathy has been everywhere around me. It’s like you never know how many blue VW bugs are on the road until you buy a blue VW bug, and then there everywhere. (There’s a name for this phenomenon, but I can’t think of it.) Lately, more and more of my reading has been about this idea of psychopaths running the show. It’s spooky to think about, but it sure makes all the pieces fit into place.
There’s a guy I like to listen to – Mark Passio, google him up, he does good stuff, IMHO, that goes pretty far down the rabbit trail. On a recent podcast, he begins the inquiry of, “Where do psychopaths come from?” I’m intrigued to follow the rabbit trail as he continues this line of thought, as it seems to lead directly to the Origin of Man, and has some interesting ideas.
All this leads back to the original point – “What are the practical applications of this in my life?” It surely looks, to me, like that one poster about the American Patriots. “They Fucking Shot Them.”
bb,
i think she can only be a psychopath if at least 2 of the 3 personalities were psycho.
tim,
i am gonna look up passio, never heard of him.
great poster.
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Obama sure meets the criteria on 1 through 5 and definitely 13.
I’m not kidding about x wife .I usually call before I see her just to make sure which person I’m dealing with that day.The one I married is a nice ,happy woman but the other two are demons from hell.She can be a lovely caring person one day and the next be as cold hearted as the devil .It was only after marriage did the others show themselves.It got so bad that even at my house I still carry my pistol.Scary.
#19. You have a wife named Michelle, daughters Malia and Sasha, claim to have been born in Hawaii, “worked” (grifted) as a community organizer in Chicago and have a lover named Reggie.
Without an understanding of demon possession, it is impossible to understand the psyche of these individuals. A person possessed by a devil spirit is a willing accomplice. “The devil made me do it” is not an affirmative defense, but a confession.
Devil spirit influence is not the same thing as possession, neither is the anti-christ. One is simply being influenced in your thinking, the other is selling out your soul to the devil, the anti-thesis of being born again of God’s spirit.
Both a person possessed and an anti-christ will exhibit these traits. A person possessed can have that spirit cast out and be redeemed, if he or she so chooses. An anti-christ has the seed of the serpent in them, and they will be tormented for all eternity in the lake of sulphur and fire reserved for the devil and the beast. They would be worthy of pity were it not for their acts of atrocity, murder, genocide, and torture of millions and perhaps millions upon millions before it’s all said and done.
I’ll leave the psychobabble to those way smarter than me. Thankfully, we have a saviour from the wrath that is to come.
“Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.” (Revelation 3:20 ESV)
“because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.” (Romans 10:9-10 ESV)
obama also definitely meets #9
Once someone waves their hand and proclaims “magic” they have stopped trying to understand the topic at hand.
I know two genuine psychopaths. One currently resides in prison and will do so for the remainder of his days.
The other is the widow of my ex-husband. She’s a widow because when he returned home from a hospital stay for a heart attack, within 15 minutes she stabbed him in the back. The justice system is still processing her crime. Prior to this incident she displayed most of the criteria on the list.
TPC, you’re the only idiot waving their arms and proclaiming magic.
I just now asked Ms Freud how many psychopath clients she had in the past year.
She said as far as she could tell maybe one or two. I asked why she said … ‘maybe’ and ‘as far as I can tell’. She said that’s because true psychopaths are extremely smart at hiding their psychopathy.
I then asked her if psychopaths are born or made. She firmly believes a true psychopath — one that exhibits more than half those 15 traits — is born that way. She told me about the physical evidence, brain scans, which show that these people’s brains are actually wired differently than ‘normal’ people.
She does not excuse their behavior. Meaning, if they commit a crime, they should be punished accordingly, but would prefer they be institutionalized in a ‘mental hospital’ rather than prison. Those places are bigger shit-holes than prison, I said. She agreed and said there is no easy solution. I suggested just killing the fuckers. She called me a ‘dolt’, and thus that ended the conversation.
Pick out the real psychopath
That list looks like a study sheet for the qualities that are requisite to gain admission to an Ivy League school.
Retiring SEC Lawyer Crucifies His Employer: “It’s A Cancer” Collecting Pennies On The “Bankster Turnpike”
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/08/2014 10:42 -0400
We wonder: why does the truth about the broken system, as witnessed and experienced by individual employees, always wait until said employee is about to depart their employer or just after? Obviously that is rhetorical. However, it is worth mentioning, because in the latest such revelation, a retiring SEC trail attorney veteran, James Kidney, who had been with the agency since 1986 and retired this month, just crucified his now former employer for doing precisely all those thing that outside critics – notably Zero Hedge – have accused the most co-opted, clueless, corrupt and criminal regulators of doing. Only he said it in a way that not even we could have phrased.
From Bloomberg:
The SEC has become “an agency that polices the broken windows on the street level and rarely goes to the penthouse floors,” Kidney said, according to a copy of his remarks obtained by Bloomberg News. “On the rare occasions when enforcement does go to the penthouse, good manners are paramount. Tough enforcement, risky enforcement, is subject to extensive negotiation and weakening.”
Kidney said his superiors were more focused on getting high-paying jobs after their government service than on bringing difficult cases. The agency’s penalties, Kidney said, have become “at most a tollbooth on the bankster turnpike.”
Wow: another “erudite” former cog in the systemic wheel goes off the reservation and gets all tinfoil bloggy on us. He goes on:
In his speech, Kidney also hit the agency for using misleading statistics to showcase its enforcement efforts. The SEC should focus on the quality of its actions, rather than try to file as many as possible just to tout its record to lawmakers and the media, he said.
“It is a cancer,” Kidney said of the agency’s use of numbers. “It should be changed.”
His name was James Kidney.
Kidney said in the interview that he will always be an SEC loyalist and was trying to offer constructive criticism that could help the agency. He said he wasn’t singling out any specific cases or officials in his comments.
“I don’t think we did a very aggressive job with all the major players in the crash of ’08,” he said, noting that as a civil enforcement agency, the commission does not need to prove its cases beyond a reasonable doubt like the Justice Department does. “The SEC has a lower burden of proof and we should be pushing the envelope a bit.”
You mean, pretending to regulate the same people where SEC staffers wish to work will no longer fool most of the people all of the time? The horror… The horror.
A quick reminder on the Goldman wrist slap deal with the SEC, where Kidney was part of the initial, if not final team.
Kidney, who was part of the initial team that was building the Goldman Sachs case, pressed his bosses in the enforcement division to go higher up the chain. He later took himself off the team after being given a lesser role, according to people familiar with the matter.
In particular, the people said, Kidney argued that the commission should sue Tourre’s boss, Jonathan Egol. Kidney also wanted to bring a case against Paulson & Co. or some executives at the hedge fund, which helped pick the portfolio of securities that were underlying the Abacus vehicle and then bet against it.
The SEC ultimately decided not to sue Egol, the Paulson firm or any individuals from the hedge fund.
Yes, it was all the not even 30 year old Tourre’s fault. All of it. And the person who dared to point out this criminal disdain for justice by the SEC? He was demoted by the most corrupt of all: Mary Schapiro.
The punchline – the SEC is a regulator only for optical purposes. It’s true role is not to shake up the status quo.
In his retirement speech, Kidney noted that he had been “involved in a high-profile case or two” and said he had gotten a message from above not to take too many risks.
“I have had bosses, and bosses of my bosses, whose names we all know, who made little secret that they were here to punch their ticket,” Kidney said. “They mouthed serious regard for the mission of the commission, but their actions were tentative and fearful in many instances.”
Simply said: disgusting and pathetic – both the sad truth about the US market “regulator”, which most were already aware of, and that an SEC employee has to wait until the day he quits to express it.
Oh, and if anyone still wants to know why the perfectly legal parasitism of HFT has turned off the retail investors for the last time, and why everyone knows the market is rigged – it is not the vacuum tubes. Nope. It is the criminals at the SEC who made it legal for 25 year old math PhDs to rig stocks in the first place, and who allowed the TBTF banks to make the marketplace into their own personal no risk, all return piggy bank. Them, and of course Congress – because when the day comes that all those idiotic trades blow up and the banks have to pay the penalty, why – they just get another taxpayer bailout, courtesy of America’s democratically elected “representatives.”
Obama the Psychopath is giving some BS speech about equal pay for women and is surrounded by a properly diverse harem of disaffected women.
Here is the best comment on ZH:
More vacuous gum flapping from the disrespectful, arrogant, narcissitic, illegal alien kenyan muslim sociopathic ignoramus fudge packer in chief aimed at buying votes to keep its sorry ass in its grand imperial golf lifestyle with its minions and crony union and capitalist buddies…. ain’t this country grand….
“Thankfully, we have a saviour from the wrath that is to come.” ——- Nonanonymous
First, it’s spelled ‘savior’, you freaking moran. Secondly, Jeebus displays the following psychopathic traits;
2. grandiose self perception. —– claims to be God
3. constant need for stimulation — always starting shit wherever he goes
5. manipulation —- always getting people to do his bidding
6. absence of any guilt, often blames the victim —– believed he was perfect, condemned others to hell
8. lack of empathy — came only for the Jews, once called gentiles ‘dogs’
9. parasitic —- never had a real job, community organizer, had his disciples go and beg for money
10. obsessive risk taking —- constantly calling the religious leaders hypocrites, vipers, vultures, etc …. Started a riot in the Temple
11. unrealistic goals —- believes he can save the whole world
13. will not genuinely accept personal responsibility — always blaming the devil for shit
THERAPEUTIC FINDINGS: The patient, Jeebus, believes he’s the light of the world and the only way to God. That is s sign of severe mania. Claims to be the Son of God, then claims to actually be God, then claims to be merely a Son of Man …. all strong signs of schizophrenia. Speaks to demons and once claims to have had an in depth conversation with the Devil while camping on a mountaintop …. thus exhibiting a delusional personality. Patient hides away a lot for long periods. allegedly to pray, and he could have been severely depressed during these times. Predicted his own demise constantly for three years …. patient is mad, suicidal and/or extremely masochistic. Makes bizarre demands, such as telling his disciples to drink his blood and eat his body. Patient has an unusually strong desire to be admired. Instills massive guilt in everyone he meets by insisting that they are either for him, or against him.
CONCLUSION: We, at Sanhedrin Psychiatric Services, believe this is a perfect candidate to start a worldwide religion. We expect he can attract billions of sheeple who exhibit the same, or worse, personality disorders. We expect this new religion to last 2,000 years, at which time an even greater Savior shall come; The One who who will slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet.
Stuck
That was brilliant satire.
Non an bb will be aghast.
“That was brilliant satire. Non an bb wil be aghast.” ———– Admin
Thanks, buddy.
Already one down vote. LMFAO I’m trying real hard to get that “Hidden Comment” thingy.
Funny, Stuck. Explains why Obama thinks he’s God.
Stucky ,go back to sucking dicks and leave Jesus alone .
@Nonanon – “TPC, you’re the only idiot waving their arms and proclaiming magic.”
I pride myself in being able to break down science so that even an 8 year old can understand it. My sincerest apologies if you do not meet that bare minimum.
“Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”
—-Vince Lombardi
Let’s play a game called “Who’s the psychopath?”
Say someone, we’ll call him Sticky for brevity’s sake, sets up an online contest. It’s private and reserved for “members only.” Dozens of members sign up to play.
Now, at the end of the contest, someone, we’ll call him by the initials IGYBTB or Igy for short, suddenly announces he won the contest. Sticky checks the scorecard and notes that Igy didn’t even come close to winning and announces the name of the true winner.
Igy protests and persistently posts doctored scores showing that he, Igy, actually won. Sticky becomes flummoxed and starts checking every clue on the website. It takes hours and hours of his precious time, but he finally announces again the winner. Igy doesn’t budge.
Sticky becomes extremely angry and upset and threatens Igy with censorship and banishment from any future online games. But Sticky is unable to come up with any verifiable proof that Igy didn’t win and leaves the discussion in a huff.
Now, who’s the psychopath? Sticky? Or Igy?
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Stucky’s post totally made my day!!
It’s mostly the stone truth.
stucky,
+1000
loved it
Good one, SSS. Very good.
Per your description, that Sticky fellow, or gal, isn’t wrapped too tight. Igy wins!!
I sure love the ladies on here that have their act together!!!
MA
I’m trying real hard to get that “Hidden Comment” thingy.
—-Stucky
It’s easy. Just join in and defend me when I go on one of my illegal drug rampages. You’ll get a “Hidden Comment” without even breaking a sweat.
But you’ll never break my record. Three “Hidden Comments” IN A ROW, one of which was a total shutout (0 thumbs up and 33 thumbs down), plus an additional 10 pink screen comments. All on the same thread. I could almost feel the love.
Very funny … made me smile. You’re a DAMN good sport, SSS. God, I luv ya.
Stucky ,no dick sucking ,perhaps a night with the x?She would have a lot of fun with you.I guarantee she would put back the fear of God in you.
Stucky, that was awesome. It reminded me of the chatroom where Iranian (and fellow traveller) hackers would gather to discuss strategy during the Iran protests from the summer of 2009. Everybody knew the place was being monitored by the Iran government and occasionally one of them (basij) would get bored and enter the room to threaten people. Now all of these conversations occured in phoenetic persian, of which I was never all that great at, so I only understood bits and pieces, but what usually happened is that someone would piss them off by insulting their religion (shia islam of course) and the result was fucking hilarious.
Nobody knows how to piss off a muslim fundamentalist like someone who had islam shoved down his throat for 18 years of government school.
TPC says:
“I pride myself in being able to break down science so that even an 8 year old can understand it.”
Viruses and plant seed evidence to the contrary, life can only come from life and that comes from the spirit. Only a few years ago, it was argued that women did not have souls. Living organisms have a spirit and cannot live without that life spark, the bible says that god is spirit. There is a spirit world, that is what Anon is talking about.
Stucky says:
“9. parasitic —- never had a real job, community organizer, had his disciples go and beg for money ”
Har dee Har Har, as Billy might say but you are wrong on this colossal stretch, even for the sake of satire. He sent the disciples to borrow a donkey, He sent one to go find a fish with a gold coin inside. A couple of disciples did not recognize him but insisted he stay with them. He said he did not need to eat even when his disciples worried that he hadn’t eaten. He pointed out the offering of a poor woman but he himself did not receive any money. It was Judas who kept the purse and he stole from it.
Otherwise, your funny.
El Coyote, don’t biblical scholars generally agree that Mary Magdalene was a wealthy chick, perhaps a widow, from Tiberius who funded Jeebus and teh deciples. Or perhaps she and Jeebus were involved in a sexual relationship (or married) as described in the novel The DaVinci Code… Regardless, Mary Magdalene was a very important desciple as it was to her that Jeebus appeared after rising from teh death (how he managed to remove the stone covering the cave is a mystery), or maybe not. He is god after all…
What I am interested in is how Jeebus reunited with the the father. Did he simply float into the sky like a helium balloon while people below waved and yelled, “bye Jeebus!,” or was he suddenly dematerialized as in a Star Trek transporter?
You would have to ask Stuck, he’s the scholar. I merely read the bible and as Stuck has pointed out on occasion, my memory fails me at times. Which is why I said that the stories I remember sound true enough but my own family has different details. Anything I could surmise, the Stuck will materialize in time to call into question my layman’s version.
Now if I put my Stucky hat on, yes, it makes sense that only a rich woman could afford an expensive perfume in alabaster. That the Pharisee would recognize her is also a signal that she is a prominent figure in society.
I have no recollection of anyone funding the group like a sponsor, we know Judas kept the purse but if he sold out his leader for 30 pieces of silver, it might mean that the purse did not have that much in it. (Consider: kids who graduate in a recession have a low income history that follows them all their life, saying to them, you don’t deserve more. If Judas had a better self worth, he would have sold his soul for much more. As it was, he kept a meager purse and had a penny-ante concept of himself.)
The Pharisees reasoned that if Jeebus as you call him, was sent from god there would be no stopping him and if he wasn’t, his ‘obra’ or ministry would come to nothing. The movie JC Superstar suggests that M. Magdalene has a sexual attraction toward Jeebus. There are two references toward his appearance, one – he is comely or attractive, two – he was ugly that none were attracted to him and three – when he materialized in star trek fashion after his death and resurrection, no one recognized him, so much for features.
the story says angels took the body, mary et all witnessed this. then the disciples came to check it out and yep, the body was gone.
The story says Elijah floated up to heaven and a fiery chariot came down. the story also says Jeebus as he leaves the disciples one last time, floated up into heaven or the heavens.
The physicians of old described several humors of the body and determined folks temperament according to the dominant humor. when the soldier pierces Jeebus side on the cross to kill him quickly rather than take the time to break his femurs and let the bones pierce his thighs and make him bleed out that way, Jeebus body pours out water and blood. This mystifies the soldiers who have seen enough bodies to know that this is very odd. I mention the humors because sperm and it’s consequent sex drive is not mentioned, only blood and water.
the problem folks have with the gospel is that they cannot get around their own concupiscence and think Jeebus could not possibly have been so uncorrupted as to look upon women without popping at least a minor boner. Jeebus said that the devil has nothing in him, the devil could not tempt Jeebus while he can play man like a fiddle. I was writing fast and did not refer to any bible so please excuse my mistakes.
Where’s Admin? Is he OK? I submitted another copfuk story last night around 7PM … still not up …. and haven’t seen a posting from him.
I do hope all is well.
Stuck
I was attacked by a horde of zombies who didn’t like my article, but I fought them off. All is well at TBP Central.
El Coyote
I do not question anything you wrote in your “layman’s version”. You are a scholar in your own right … good insights come from your pen, sir. I smiles at the Jesus Christ Superstar reference. It is in my Top 5 ALL TIME favorite movies. I’ve seen it literally dozens of times. People can laugh if they want to, but there is deep spiritual truth throughout the movie.
Mary Magdalene is one of the most fascinating women in either Testament. There is a very fine documentary about her available on Netflix streaming. Just enter her name in the search box for the title.
Jeebus’ interaction with women is not appreciated enough by modern readers. Just look how women in the Middle East are treated TODAY …. and now imagine how it was 2,000 years ago. It was much worse. For example, it is said that a Pharisee began his day by thanking God that he had not been born a Gentile, a slave, or a woman.
—- back then the testimony of women did NOT count …. yet it was a woman who first testified about Jeebus’ resurrection
—- the religious elite believed women should not be taught Torah …. yet Jeebus taught Mary, Martha’s sister
—- women were considered “unclean” during menstruation and not to be touched … yet Jesus showed compassion to the woman with the issue of blood who touched the hem of his garment.
—- men were not supposed to speak to women in public …… yet Jeebus did so often, which makes the story of Jeebus speaking to the woman at the well so scandalous
—- only TWO times does the gospel record Jeebus as saying someone has “great faith” ….. one was a gentile man, the other was a gentile woman
—- women were not to touch men ….. yet Jeebus allows a sinful woman to clean his feet
—- in addition to Mary Magdalene the gospel of Luke tells us about “Joanna, the wife of Herod’s steward Chuza, and Susanna, and MANY others …. “ ……… except for the rich Pharisee who provided Jeebus’ tomb, I can’t think of any other men who were singled out as to providing financial support
—- it was men who conspired to kill Jesus …… yet only Pilate’s wife had the balls to speak up for Jeebus
—- lastly, who was at the foot of the cross as Jesus’ lifeblood was draining from his battered body ….. the bible says “Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.”
WOMEN RULE !!!!!!!!!!!!
GREAT job, Jimbo!! I really was getting a bit worried.
Stuck, what do you think of these season appropriate movies on the gospel; Mel Gibson’s version and the new SOG movie (which I haven’t seen, along with Noah)?
“Did he [Jeebus] simply float into the sky like a helium balloon while people below waved and yelled, “bye Jeebus!,” or was he suddenly dematerialized as in a Star Trek transporter?” —— Zara
I’m going with the helium balloon theory since the story states that Jeebus floated into the clouds.
Why does it mean that Jeebus ascended UP into heaven? The earf is round. There is no “up”. The NT writers accepted the “3-story’ cosmos; hell below, earth in the middle, heaven above.
So, Jeebus is going up, up, up. But, our Milky Way is something like 100,000 light years big. Jeebus started ascending 2,000 years ago. So, even at the speed of light, Jeebus’ travels have only taken him 2% across the Milky Way. Hopefully, he packed extra hummus and wine.
Some people like to say that the Kingdom Of God is here on earth, or maybe within us. Perhaps so, metaphorically. But, clearly, a physical “heaven” – the place Jesus went to — MUST be somewhere other than earf.
@ Stuck –
There’s a preacher that I like to listen to on YouTube. He’s out of New Jersey, somewhere, so maybe you know where he is. [As a sidenote, I brought this subject up a long time ago on TBP, hoping to spur a little conversation with you. Instead, a doppler gave me a bunch of shit.]
Nevertheless, he teaches that the Bible is not literal, but metaphysical (Is that the word I’m looking for? Maybe it’s metaphorical.) Either way, Jesus clearly said that the Kingdom of Heaven is inside you. It’s not out there in some sweet by-and-by to be enjoyed in some future eternity, but is here to be enjoyed in the here-and-now.
Apparently, the way to get there is through stillness and meditation. I can’t say I’ve experienced this directly yet, but, frankly, his teaching makes more sense to me than so many other of the corporate sermons I’ve heard over the years.
If you’re interested, the guy’s name is Bill Donahue. I’d be interested to hear your take on his teachings.
The bible is a parable, at least thats what I’ve always been taught, even by my right-wing Catholic mother.
“There is a spirit world, that is what Anon is talking about.”
Hardly, he ties everything back to a literal interpretation of the Bible at every turn. Such a person isn’t known for their powers of observation, but rather their blind acceptance.
Even flash has actual commentary to add, but Nonanon is just a better spoken bb.
“Stuck, what do you think of these season appropriate movies on the gospel; Mel Gibson’s version and the new SOG movie (which I haven’t seen, along with Noah)?” ——– El Coyote
MEL GIBSON: Mel’s depiction of Satan was utterly ridiculous …. just about as silly as depicting the devil in a red suit, pitchfork, and horns. Mel purposely made a gory movie to give us a visual understanding regarding Jeebus’ physical suffering. He failed MISERABLY, because he doesn’t go far enough. After the scourging Jeebus’ back is indeed bloody and has nasty looking gashes. The reality is that Jeebus back would have been torn to shreds … ribs and spine would likely have been exposed. Forty lashes minus one was a virtual death sentence. Below are pictures of a roman flagellum … depending on which type was used, the strength of the person doing the whipping, and the enthusiasm behind it …. well, those jagged shards of lead would have literally ripped wide open Jeebus’ back, exposing bone and organs. The loss of blood alone would have been massive. To think that afterwards Jeebus could carry a crossbeam weighing a hundred pounds or so for a mile or whatever is absolutely stretching credulity. Lastly, a LARGE part of Jeebus suffering was the emotional and mental anguish of being separated from the Father …. and Mel did a horribly shitty job depicting that.
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SON OF GOD: You didn’t see it? Well, just go to The History Channel and watch the Bible mini-series. The SOG movie is basically edited from that. The mini series was produced by Roma Downey (Touched By An Angel) and her husband Mark Burnett (Survivor, The Apprentice, Shark Tank). These people are Mental Midgets, and it shows in SOG. Jeebus looks exactly like an American WASP, and the movie goes downhill from there. Rottentomatoes gives it a 22% …. Which is 21% to high.
NOAH: The director, Darren Aronofsky, is an atheist. He himself stated he was more focused on telling an interesting story than in following the Biblical script. So, let’s be clear, it’s a fantasy movie. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. The major sin is that Darren presents fantasy as fact. This is utter bullshit. Christians who actually know their Bible will be able to spot the bullshit. Non-Christians may be led to believe that the movie is (relatively) accurate. So, congrats to Darren for deceiving the ignorant masses even more. He tackles NONE of the difficult questions regarding the story. For example, HOW exactly did four men build such a massive ark from scratch?? Simple! Let’s throw some CGI Rock Giants into the story!! Bwaahahahaha! Utter bullshit, not worth my federal notes.
The vast majority of biblical themed movies are huge disappointments to me. My three favorites are 1) Jesus Christ Superstar, 2) The Last Temptation Of Christ, and, 3) The Life Of Brian.
I also liked Samson and Delilah, the 1950 version because I was a big Victor Mature fan, and I used to fantasize (heh-heh) about Hedy Lamarr and me being naked together.
“If you’re interested, the guy’s name is Bill Donahue. I’d be interested to hear your take on his teachings.” ———- Tim
I never heard of him. I’ve done some quick research. Here are my thoughts. But, I must first preface my comments with this disclosure. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school in Newark until 6th grade. The experience was not good. As a result I have a general disdain, even loathing, for the Catholic church. Do take all that into consideration.
1)- The man does have an interesting past … one that includes a violent upbringing, and a father who committed suicide. How he became what he is today is documented here in his own words. Interesting read if you haven’t heard it before. ——— http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/billorigin.htm
2)- The first thing that pops up on youtube is this; — “Judas Wasn’t A Bad Guy After All”. It’s over an hour long and I don’t have the time to listen to it right now. But, it is a most interesting and provocative title …. one I happen to agree with. His other sermon titles are equally interesting sounding. It seems he likes to stir shit amongst the literalist / fundy community. I like that.
3)- I found this ……….
“Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, has emerged as one of the most vigorous defenders of Pope Benedict XVI, formerly Cardinal Ratzinger, as the Catholic Church reels from revelations that Ratzinger was made aware of a priest who molested more than 200 deaf boys in Wisconsin, and yet declined to punish him. Donohue’s most controversial claim is that this is not a pedophilia crisis but a homosexual crisis; since most victims of molestation were “post-pubescent”,” that means the priests were not child molesters but some kind of gay predators.”
Fuck. That’s bad. That’s nasty bad. Me no likey!!!
Stuck – Your first two points echo mine. I think you’d like the guy’s teachings.
As a point of clarity, the Bill Donahue of the Catcholic Church is not the Bill Donahue from the YouTube series. Same name, different guy.
I know, because I looked that shit up, too.
Give him a try. I think you’ll like his teachings.
Tim
I was wondering about that. Thanks for the clarification.
Do me a favor. Give me the youtube link to a sermon you particularly liked, and I’ll listen to it and give some further input. TIA.
Here’s a pretty good one. Pretty short, about 25 minutes, that gives a pretty good flavor of his teaching.
Tim
I hope you see this as it’s about to fall off the list …. seeing how there’s 16 fuckin new articles today.
I started to listen to the vid on youtube … but then I saw some other very interesting titles and listened to them instead. I listened to one about Buddhism’s influence on Christianity — he has several vids about Buddhism — and one titled God is Photon.
I was doing some writing (work stuff, not TBP) and other stuff around the house … even made a dozen Spitzbuben cookies … so, I had it on in the background meaning, I did not devote my full attention to his talks. I HAVE to have “background” noise cuz I don’t want to be alone in my thoughts for too long … for fear of killing someone (that deserves it, like copfuks). lol Nevertheless, I caught enough to get the drift.
He is VERY interesting. However, he may be too liberal even for me. He simply does NOT believe there is any such thing as “spirit”. He says the word “spirit” was invented by humans merely to explain the unexplainable. Now that we are scientifically enlightened ….. and while not all things can be understood, they can be explained via science, math, logic, etc. …. that there is simply no need for things spiritual. In summary, the PHYSICAL world is all that there is.
I am simply not ready to make that leap, not now, probably never.
I find that stance to be supremely arrogant. I’m reminded of that marvelous book written in the late 1800s, titled “Flatland”. The premise revolves around a 2-dimensional world (Length and Width), and the people in that world debate whether or not a 3rd dimension (L,W,H) exists. Some postulate and theorize that it can, others deny it, and neither side can ever prove their point because, obviously, being confined to 2-dimensions they are literally incapable of conducting a 3rd-dimension scientific experiment.
The same holds true for the Spirit world. Whether or not it exists is SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE for either side to prove. It is literally “another dimension”, a non-pyhsical world so completely unlike ours that our only solution is to accept it, or reject it, by FAITH. Yes, both require faith.
I choose to believe that there is a Spirit existence. I have ZERO ideas what it is like. Maybe Jesus is right. Or, Zoroaster. Or, Buddha. Or, Wonka Tonka. Or, Mohammed. Or Moses. Or, none of them. Or, all of them. I do know this. I’ll find out when I’m dead. That’s good enough for me.
All that doesn’t mean I won’t listen to more! I added him to my Religion bookmark folder. As I said, he is very interesting, and I look forward to more. I really appreciate you took the time to introduce me to that website. Thank You!!
“I choose to believe that there is a Spirit existence.”
Likewise.
There’s enough shit out there that we can’t explain that the term ‘spirit’ is as good as any.
OK. A quick Copy and Paste.
I mention Spitzbuben cookies I made. They are WUNDERBAR!! Here’s the recipe. It looks complicated because I spell it out in great detail. (I originally did this for my younger son.) It takes about half hour — start to finish.
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SPITZBUBEN COOKIES (like Oma used to make)
1)- Beat the butter in mixing bowl until smooth
———- 8 tablespoons butter (softened at room temperature)
2)- Add sugar and beat until pale and fluffy
———- 2/3 cup sugar
3)- Gradually beat in egg, vanilla, and salt until well combined
———- 1 large egg, beaten
———- ¼ teaspoon pure vanilla extract
———- ¼ tsp salt
4)- Add flour about ¼ cup at a time until dough forms. (Dough must be firm enough to roll out; add more flour as needed if to ‘wet’.)
———- 2¼ cups all purpose flour
5)- Roll out the dough on a lightly floured work surface to about ¼ inch thick
6) Cut out the cookies. Optimal size for round cookies is a 3” diameter. I use a wine glass. As you can see from the picture, you can use any shape; round, heart, star. Depending how thick you rolled the dough you should have enough for 18 – 22 rounds, or 9-11 cookies. For half of them (if doing round cookies) you need to cut out a center —- I just use the cap off a milk milk container.
7)- Bake at 375 degrees for 10 minutes (cookies should be pale golden in color). Best to put cookies on wax paper first. Transfer to wire rack to cool — otherwise cookies will continue to bake on the hot sheet. .
8)- Spread each of the solid cookies with about 1 tablespoon of the preserves. Top each with a cut-out cookie. Sift confectioner’s sugar over all.
———- 2/3 cup raspberry or strawberry preserves
———- Confectioners (powdered) sugar
Oh, one more thing about Mr. Donahue.
He mentioned, in passing, that arthritis isn’t a bone disease, but a disease of the brain, specifically, the pituitary gland. Hmmmmm, so I did some quick searching. The below paragraph is from a Medical web site;
It seems that when the body becomes stressed, the pituitary gland releases a hormone called ACTH which stimulates the adrenal glands to produce cortisol. The extra cortisol allows the body to cope with stressful situations, such as infection, trauma, surgery, or emotional problems. In a healthy body, when the stressful situation ends, adrenal hormone production returns to normal. In unhealthy bodies, cortisol continues to be produced …. And the over-production is devastating leading to a whole bunch of serious problems including, but not limited, to; Hypertension, High blood sugar, Insulin resistance, various bone issues, Carbohydrate cravings, type 2 diabetes, Fat deposits on the face, neck, and belly. Jeebus!!
His solution is meditation, especially yoga, to reduce the stress which in turn will [supposedly, I’m not a doctor] shut off the over production of cortisol.
Fascinating, really.