Guest Post by Dmitry Orlov
The killing of the staff at the French satirical publication Charlie Hebdo by Moslem assailants who said that they wanted to die as martyrs, and the subsequent killing of the assailants, together with their hostages, by the French police, could not have failed to produce strong emotions. For instance, my friend Bruno had this to say. I don’t entirely disagree, especially about the undue haste of the French police, but I do want to make a few points about methods.
No matter how difficult it is, what’s needed in such a situation, at least on the level of those aspiring to any sort of social adequacy, is a dispassionate look, with an eye toward what would qualify as a political fix that can win the peace, rather than some combination of police/military/judicial action that is virtually guaranteed to lose the war, by making the situation worse. You see, police/military/judicial action is only effective when the enemy could potentially admit defeat, surrender and make amends. When the enemy wishes to be martyred, police/military/judicial action is akin to combating alcoholism with bottles of booze.
What Bruno proposed—capture, torture, public humiliation, public execution—worked very well for Jesus Christ. Here we are over 2000 years later, and he is still the world’s best-known, most widely celebrated martyr. If, by the standards of one of the world’s greatest religions, poking fun at prophet Mohammed is a sin, and if the perpetrators of the Charlie Hebdo can be said to have died for that sin, then that, by a rather simple calculus, does qualify them as martyrs, even in the Christian tradition.
I was not a reader of Charlie Hebdo, and so I don’t know whether they properly satirized the American invasion of Iraq, the seeding of Basra, Fallujah and other parts of Iraq with depleted uranium munitions causing a large number of cancers and birth defects, the wholesale slaughter of Iraqi civilians, or the use of torture at Abu Ghraib and other US-run detention centers. Or whether they shined a comic light on the utter futility of the NATO war in Afghanistan, whose only result seems to be a speedy return to status quo ante as soon as the troops pull out. I think there are gems of comedy there: the Americans are still sending in advisers—as if they ever knew what to do there themselves! I hope they did satirize these events; if they didn’t, but on the other hand saw it fit to poke fun at Islam, then that would seems a tiny bit lopsided to me, but I hope to stand corrected.
Nor do I know if Charlie Hebdo properly savaged the Israelis for their various practices, such as shelling UN-run schools because there might be “terrorists” lurking among the women and children, or for the Israeli military propaganda along the lines of “shoot pregnant Palestinian women and kill two for the price of one.” Is there humor in such things? I don’t know. Nor is there humor in the Qur‘an, or in any of the acts ascribed to prophet Mohammed. And yet the satirical geniuses at Charlie Hebdo found some there. So why does Israel get the kid glove treatment? Again, I hope to stand corrected, but if that’s the case, then there is a bit of lopsidedness there as well.
There is also the tiny matter of taste. I know that the French are not alien to the idea of mauvais goût. And given what has been happening in many Islamic countries around the world—from outright invasions and bombings to drone strikes, to US-funded political corruption and régime change, to sanctions maintained over decades, to many acts of discrimination in the western countries to which circumstances force the refugees from the destroyed countries to flee—it seems like poking fun at their religion using cartoons, however gently, is akin to joking about rope in the house of the hanged. By analogy, consider writing such oeuvres as “Auschwitz, the operetta.” Or how about a song-and-dance troupe composed of non-Jews, called “The Not Ready for Holocaust Players”? Would that be in bad taste? You bet! Of course, none of these particular expressions of mauvais goût are likely to happen, because people in the west are deathly afraid of being labeled anti-Semites. On the other hand, they are not yet particularly afraid of being shot in the head by furious Moslems. Why the disconnect, I wonder? The instinct of self-preservation does not seem fully engaged yet.
I want to keep this to below 1000 words, so I will close simply by noting what the solution may look like. The only solution I see is a duopoly, where Moslems and non-Moslems run their respective segments of society according to different sets of rules. Some rules they must have in common, such as a ban on incendiary, extremist speech. The prohibition against “shouting fire in a crowded theater” applies to such arrangements.
Examples of such arrangements being successful include the Republic of Tatarstan (Russian Federation) where Orthodox Christianity and (majority) Islam coexist peacefully, and mixed marriages can offer a choice of religions to the children they produce. Another example is the Republic of Chechnya (also Russian Federation) which, having fought a bloody separatist conflict financed by the Saudis and the US, can now successfully combat Islamic terrorism on its own, without involving federal authorities. Russia is now a dual Christian/Islamic federation; if current demographic trends continue, then at some point it will become an Islamic/Christian federation. So be it. If peace is maintained, nobody will notice or care. France can embrace the same choice, forming Les Républiques Françaises, and probably will, because what choice does it have—other than losing the war?
Fucking crock of shit. Asshole says “Some rules they must have in common, such as a ban on incendiary, extremist speech.”
Fuck that. Who decides what is incendiary and extreme? Assholes like Obama, Merkel, Hollande? Fuck me dead.
He can kiss my rosy red ass and blow me. What a stupid motherfucker. Because of some fucking terrorists he wants to strip away freedom of speech.
How about this for an idea: boot the fucking ragheads back to the fucking desert and stone ages where they are most comfortable.
Motherfucker. The world is doomed.
I don’t think he looks quite so wrong now.
“The only solution I see is a duopoly, where Moslems and non-Moslems run their respective segments of society according to different sets of rules.” ———- Dmitri Dumbfuk
First The Skaer spouts his bullshit that the newspaper “had it coming”.
Now this motherfucker espouses a DIFFERENT SET OF RULES for mooslims???
**URGENT NOTIFICATION** That is about THE dumbest fucking statement I’ve ever read here … and that includes any or all of bb’s comments.
The world is going more batshit insane by the day.
FUCK YOU ORLOV, you goddamned mooslim appeaser!!!
Stuck – I was just getting back to this to rip that very point to shreds as well – that fuckstick is essentially proposing that countries abdicate sections of their nation to the fucking mooslims.
I had previously thought Orlov had some sense. Boy was I wrong.
“KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (Reuters) – Hundreds in southern Afghanistan rallied to praise the killing of 12 people at the French newspaper Charlie Hebdo, calling the two gunmen “heroes” who meted out punishment for cartoons disrespectful to Islam’s prophet, officials said Saturday.”
———— https://ca.news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-rally-hails-charlie-hebdo-attackers-heroes-083446525.html
Picture on Drudge … European leaders marching in support of mooslims
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Seriously, I can’t wait for Europe to return to their roots …. a bunch of warring states that kill each other
Oh, BTW, FUCK YOU Orlov!!!
Batshit crazy fucked-the-head Germans
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I think it is getting about time for this;
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Maybe I’m an arsehole…Scratch that, I am an arsehole.
A bunch of shitty French ‘satirists’ get killed by Algerians and the world is expected to collectively lose it’s shit? Don’t make me laugh. Fuck the French. Fuck the delusional zealots that killed them too. They fucking deserve each other.
Brainwashed zombies and hypocrites
So up to 3 million people took to the streets of Paris, including 40 heads of state, to denounce the murders of 17 victims of a streak of Takfiri terror attacks this past week.
Where were they?
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Afghanistan? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the Shia of Saudi Arabia? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against Shia of Bahrain? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Chechnia? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the Serbian people? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against Libyan people? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the Syrian people? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Iraq? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Kurdistan? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Lebanon? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Nigeria? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Pakistan? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of India? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Russia? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Somalia? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Kenya? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Yemen? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Algeria? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Indonesia? Nowhere.
Where were these 3 millions and 40 heads of state when abject Takfiri terror was unleashed against the people of Iran? Nowhere.
Why not?
More questions
Did they not crucify babies in Algeria? Did they not torture hostages on video in Chechnia? Did they not spray weddings with bullets in Bosnia? Did they not blow up bombs in Indonesia? Did they not skin people alive in Afghanistan? Did they not keep hostages with live wolves in holes in Chechnia? Did they not torture to death and crucify people in Syria?
Or is it that some innocent victims are more equal then others?
Why is it that when all of Europe supported the Syrian Takfiris AND the Ukrainian Nazis 3 million of people did not take to the streets?
How many of those 3 million people and 40 heads of state really do not know that Takfirism has been lovingly and carefully nurtured, organized, financed, trained, federated, directed, supported, armed and protected by the AngloZionist Empire?
How many of those 3 million people and 40 heads of state really do not know that Takfirism is a golem which has two functions – to be unleashed against those who dare disobey the Empire and to terrify the people of the West into accepting a police state?
Will we ever learn?
We have already seen all that. On 9/11 the American people were literally conditioned to react with fear and hysteria. It worked perfectly and we all know how that ended: with many major wars and millions (Iraq!) of dead people. Most Americans simply stopped thinking and substituted a panic reaction to careful analysis. Today Europe is doing exactly the same thing. The same causes will yield the same results. Will we ever learn?
And who is the enemy anyway?
Oh sure, they are being oblique about it. “We are not against Islam!!”, “Islam is a religion of peace!!” , “we have nothing against Muslims!!!”.
Yeah, right!
The truth is while “they” have nothing against “Islam” and “good Muslims” they ALSO “just happen” to think that “multiculturalism has failed” and that “Islam is incompatible with western societies”. Not only that, but since “bad Muslims” tend to hide amongst “good Muslims”, let’s just stay on the “safe side” and keep a very VERY “close eye” on all “them Muslims” just in case one of them happened to suddenly turn into a crazed Jihadi suicide bomber. Right?
Wrong!
Did you notice how ALL these Takfiri freaks “just happen” to have had PLENTY of contacts of all sorts with western security services? It’s like a Ku Klux Klan meeting in the USA: for 10 hooded participants you have 2 morons and 8 Federal Agents working undercover. Same exact deal for these Takfiris. And then the two morons do something really really bad, and the 8 Federal Agents “just happen” to vanish in thin air (or commit suicide). Does that have anything to do with Islam? Of course not. It has everything to do with the deep state and the covert manipulation of probably every single terrorist group on the planet.
So what would make more sense: to fear Muslims or the western security services which carefully manipulate the Takfiri freaks?
The truth is what the very same western security agencies which control the Takfiri freaks want us all to hate Muslims. Why? Simply to create an atmosphere if social chaos, civil strive and even civil war. So while we are busing hunting down those “evil Muslims” they can continue to exploit us all.
So what can we do?
Simple! Our imperial overlords want us to do exactly three things:
•Be terrified
•Hate
•Stop thinking
So all we need to do is to
•Reject fear, endorse courage
•Love
•Think
It is really that simple. If we fear, hate and stop thinking – they win. If we refuse to fear, if we love and if we think – we win. Their entire Empire has been built on fear, hate and stupidity. Let’ bring it down by courage, love and intelligence!
What we saw today in Paris was 3 millions and 40 heads of state demonstrating for two basic reasons: some were brainwashed by the media frenzy, others did so for political reasons. 3 million brainwashed zombies and hypocrites. Let them. But let us also proclaim loud and clear that we are NOT falling into their trap, that they will NOT pollute our souls with hatred and our brains with stupidity, that if there are millions of brainwashed and zombified people, there are billions who see through the lies and who reject this entire “mental landscape” of hate, fear and stupidity.
The Saker
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It appears Charlie all that going in for equal opportunity satire.
“When we originally discussed publishing this article to make these points, our intention was to commission two or three cartoonists to create cartoons that mock Judaism and malign sacred figures to Jews the way Charlie Hebdo did to Muslims. But that idea was thwarted by the fact that no mainstream western cartoonist would dare put their name on an anti-Jewish cartoon, even if done for satire purposes, because doing so would instantly and permanently destroy their career, at least.” …
To see how true that is, consider the fact that Charlie Hebdo – the “equal opportunity” offenders and defenders of all types of offensive speech – fired one of their writers in 2009 for writing a sentence some said was anti-Semitic (the writer was then charged with a hate crime offense, and won a judgment against the magazine for unfair termination). Does that sound like “equal opportunity” offending?”
And, then note the sociopath heads of various nations lined up to support free speech is voice only , whilst back in the native national prison systems they imprison , torture at murder at will any who dare disagree with their authoritarian rule.
One Student’s Epic Tweets Call Out the Biggest Hypocrites Marching for Free Speech In Paris
http://mic.com/articles/108166/one-student-s-epic-tweets-call-out-the-biggest-hypocrites-marching-for-free-speech-in-paris
And, then one final quote via Vox… Hypocrites gonna’ hypocrate..
“As for those who claim that we cannot hold all Muslims responsible for the actions of their military wing, I will remind them that the free people of the West had absolutely no problem holding all Germans responsible for the actions of a few National Socialists. I note that the French Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, has already declared that France is at war with “radical Islam”, even though the vast majority of radical Muslims did not kill anyone in Paris this week.”
– Vox Day
http://www.voxday.blogspot.com/2015/01/multiculturalisms-last-gasp.html
…can’t wait to see the peace rally set due to the murdered innocents of Syria next week..
Northern Syria Coalition Airstrike Killed At Least 50 Civilians In December: Report
Days after the Pentagon announced that it would investigate alleged instances of civilian deaths in airstrikes carried out by the U.S.-led coalition in its campaign against the Islamic State group, McClatchyDC News claimed, in a report, that at least 50 civilians were killed in an airstrike in the northern Syrian town of Al Bab in December last year. If confirmed, this would make it the single worst case of civilian casualties since the airstrikes in Syria began in September.
http://www.ibtimes.com/northern-syria-coalition-airstrike-killed-least-50-civilians-december-report-1780248
cartoons not tolerated in Franchey…via Glenn Greenwald.https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/09/solidarity-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/
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Slain Paris Terrorist Claims He Was Working For ISIS In Posthumous Video, Explains Reasons For Attack
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 01/12/2015 08:43 -0500
Two days after the dramatic and tragic events from Friday, Amedy Coulibaly, who in coordination with the two brothers who attacked a satirical newspaper and said they were affiliated with al-Qaeda, killed four hostages at a Paris supermarket Friday before he was slain by police appeared in a new posthumous video released on Sunday, on which he pledging allegiance to the Islamic State group and explained the planning and the reasoning behind the attacks that sowed terror across France.
According to WaPo “the video pointed to the dangers, long anticipated by law enforcement, posed by the expanding allure of the group that has conquered vast areas of Iraq and Syria over the past two years, even as al-Qaeda continues to pursue its own agenda of staging attacks against the West. The video offered no evidence, however, that Coulibaly had been in contact with the Islamic State before his assault on the supermarket, which may represent another example of the “lone wolf” attacks that the Islamic State has inspired, analysts said.”
As Breaking 911 adds, “filmed over several days and edited after the attacks, the video shows Amedy Coulibaly displaying a small arsenal of weapons, doing pushups and pullups in a drab courtyard and, in broken Arabic, giving fealty to IS militants. The video appeared Sunday on militant websites, and two men who dealt drugs with Coulibaly confirmed his identify to The Associated Press.”
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Coulibaly cited the airstrikes carried out against the Islamic State by the U.S.-led coalition, in which France participates, as one of the motives for his assault on the supermarket, which came two days after two brothers, Said and Chérif Kouachi, stormed the offices of the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo and killed 12 people.
“You attack the Islamic State. We attack you,” he said, speaking in French and occasionally lapsing into broken Arabic, in a segment of the recording that showed him wearing a leather jacket and wool cap, seated beside an AK-47 automatic rifle. “You and your coalition, so that you who are almost in the lead now, you bombard there regularly,” he said. “You kill civilians, you kill combatants, you kill.”
Other segments showed him wearing Arab and African robes and a flak vest, suggesting they were recorded at different times, though all appeared to have been filmed in the same place. The furnishings and stripped hardwood floors suggest an apartment in France.
At least one segment, which refers to the Charlie Hebdo attack, was likely recorded in the two days that elapsed between the attacks, and the video begins and ends with footage of police bursting into the supermarket and shooting Coulibaly.
The video lacked the sophisticated editing techniques typically associated with Islamic State videos, and French authorities have not indicated that Coulibaly was among the more than 700 French citizens who are thought to have traveled to Syria to fight.
The video was first posted by an obscure jihadist account on Twitter, rather than the Islamic State’s official forums, according to Aaron Zelin, an expert in jihadist movements at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. That gives no reason to believe Coulibaly had been directed to act by the Islamic State, only that he was connected to a wider network of jihadists who sympathize, support and perhaps dispatch volunteers to fight for the organization, he said.