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What really struck me last evening as I was reading Seymour Hersh’s article exposing the bin Laden raid story as a farce, was the fact that it answered in detail so many of the questions I’ve had about the raid over the years. For example:
In 2012, I wrote the post: New Emails Say No Sailors Watched Bin Laden’s Burial at Sea
This was followed up in 2013 with: U.S. Government’s Secret Move to Hide Files on the Osama Bin Laden Raid
Then, finally in 2014: The U.S. Military Ordered Bin Laden Photos Destroyed 10 Days After Freedom of Information Act Request
Commenting on the burial aspect of this White House fairytale, I noted:
The Osama Bin Laden raid was suspect from the very beginning. Not only were key initial descriptions of the assault completely incorrect (such as him being armed and his wife being killed), but the manner in which his body was rapidly tossed into the ocean was beyond bizarre. I mean, Tony Soprano keeps a body longer than that.
What’s even more incredible than the latest Hersh article, is the U.S. government’s pathetic attempt to deny it. Officials are basically responding by saying things like “you’d have to believe the government would lie to you,” and “there are too many inaccuracies to respond to all of them.
For example, Politico reports that:
First from the CIA’s former top spokesperson:
“If you were to believe Sy you would have to believe this massive conspiracy that President Obama, Robert Gates, Leon Panetta, and Mike Morell were all lying to you,” said Bill Harlow, the agency’s former top spokesman, referring to two recent secretaries of defense and a former acting CIA director. “It makes absolutely no sense.”
Someone on Twitter summarized the nonsensical nature of this perfectly with the following tweet:
I’ll take “People who are most likely to lie to you” for $400, Alex
The Politico story then becomes even more surreal, and embarrassing. The WhiteHouse National Security spokesman claims:
“There are too many inaccuracies and baseless assertions in this piece to fact check each one,” White House National Security spokesman Ned Price said in a statement to reporters early Monday. Later, at the daily White House briefing, White House spokesman Josh Earnest chimed in, saying the report was full of “inaccuracies and outright falsehoods.”
Come again? You’d think they’d be more than happy to fact check and offer proof of inaccuracies in order to restore faith in apple pie, rigged markets and overall American awesomeness.
But it wasn’t just Mr. Price who took this tactic. The Defense Department also resorted to Jedi mind tricks:
“There are too many inaccuracies to even bother going through them line by line,” Col. Steve Warren, a department spokesman, told reporters of the Hersh piece, whcih appeared in the London Review of Books. “But there should be no question that this was a unilateral action and it was conducted in accordance with all standing laws of armed conflict. The public record on the operation there is clear. The president announced it within 24 hours of completion of it, and there is nothing to add to what the president’s already said. This article appears, from where I sit, to be largely a fabrication. I’m too busy to waste my time with it.”
Think about the similarities of those two statements. These are talking points, and not very clever ones at that.
These are not the Bin Laden raid conspiracies you are looking for…
In Liberty,
Michael Krieger
“The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.”
H.L. Mencken
‘What upsets me is not that you lied to me,
but that from now on I can longer believe you.’
“The worst part about being lied to is knowing that you weren’t worth the truth.”
“Secrets don’t destroy things…but suspicion does.”
“Trust takes years to build, yet seconds to shatter.”
“It takes two people to make a lie work: the person who tells it, and the one who believes it.”
Cockroaches always scatter and run when you turn the light of truth on. Nothing new about this.
The “Wretched Hive” is in D.C.
Lest we not forget that Seal Team six died for this lie. God rest their souls.
Just like the state department with Hillary’s e-mails, they’ll investigate, but not retrospectively.
Who has more credibility?
Seymour Hersh won the Pulitzer Prize for exposing the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, and broke the Abu Ghraib story.
The CIA/CNN tool Anderson Cooper interviewed Hersh last night on TV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3jSEXMLHfg
Sorry, I still think there’s better evidence that Bin Laden died back in 2001. Yes, they’re lying, but whatever the truth is, I don’t think Hersh has got it.
1) How is Seymour Hersh still alive? Maybe he never goes to LA and drives. Maybe he’s more famous than Hastings and there’d be more risk to take him out.
2) The Bin Laden supposed killing and the release of Obama’s fake long-form birth certificate were within days of each other. That’s not a coincidence. No fucking way. The LFBC had been sought for three years (2008-2011) ever since Hillary’s campaign brought up the issue. Either they kept Bin Laden’s corpse on ice until the birth certificate was finished or they waited until the Bin Laden raid happened to release the fake birth certificate. Or they had Bin Laden on ice AND the LFBC completed but waited until the thought the timing would be best for the reelection campaign.
Anarcho is spot-on and Obama has a phd in lying. He can do it with a straight face so long as the ‘prompter works.
West- He can lie without the prompter. He is so polished, I am sure there is no difference at this point between the truth and lies for him. Further its not just him, its endemic.
Iska Waran said:
” How is Seymour Hersh still alive? Maybe he never goes to LA and drives. Maybe he’s more famous than Hastings and there’d be more risk to take him out.”
Good question. Or maybe he is part of the controlled opposition.
OBL died of kidney failure in the early winter of 2001. He had nothing to do with 911 and said so. He said, in an interview, that it was “an internal matter” in America.
His death was noted in the ME, and Pakistani newspapers published his obituary.
Is there anyone out there who watched the interviews of the phony looking clowns claiming to be OBL, that did not notice how fake the characters were? Crom almighty, could it have been more obvious?
Seymour Hersh, Ron Paul , Rand Paul, and countless others are government/corporate sponsored controlled opposition. If we all agree that the media is compromised, then why would you believe anything that is reported?
NBC Confirms Obama Lied About Bin Laden Raid
Submitted by Mac Slavo via SHTFPLan.com
Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist Samuel Hersh claimed yesterday that the Obama administration lied to the American people about certain aspects aspects of the 2011 raid that killed Osama Bin Laden. According to Hersh, the United States did not act alone when Navy SEALs were sent to capture or kill the world’s most wanted terrorist. The real story, according to the report, is that members of Pakistani intelligence services were privy to the raid months before it happened and that it was a “walk-in” Pakistani intelligence officer who gave up the location of Bin Laden rather than a CIA operation that tracked him down by following various couriers. Further, it has been claimed that Bin Laden was not buried at sea the way the Obama administration said, but rather, his limbs were simply thrown from the helicopter after the mission (suggesting that some portion of his body, perhaps his head, were retained for posterity’s sake).
It’s a markedly different story than the one President Obama told on the night he announced Bin Laden’s death. In that nationally televised speech the President took credit for ordering the raid and made it clear it was a unilateral action involving only American assets.
The Obama administration has spent the last 24 hours working to discredit the story. Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren said the report from Hersh was “largely a fabrication” with “too many inaccuracies.” The White House says the Hersh’s investigation is riddled with inaccuracies.
But according to NBC News, which has reportedly been conducting their own investigation for the last several years, Hersh’s claims aren’t that inaccurate after all.
Two intelligence sources tell NBC News that the year before the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden, a “walk in” asset from Pakistani intelligence told the CIA where the most wanted man in the world was hiding – and these two sources plus a third say that the Pakistani government knew where bin Laden was hiding all along.
The U.S. government has always characterized the heroic raid by Seal Team Six that killed bin Laden as a unilateral U.S. operation, and has maintained that the CIA found him by tracking couriers to his walled complex in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
The new revelations do not necessarily cast doubt on the overall narrative that the White House began circulating within hours of the May 2011 operation. The official story about how bin Laden was found was constructed in a way that protected the identity and existence of the asset, who also knew who inside the Pakistani government was aware of the Pakistani intelligence agency’s operation to hide bin Laden, according to a special operations officer with prior knowledge of the bin Laden mission. The official story focused on a long hunt for bin Laden’s presumed courier, Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.
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The NBC News sources who confirm that a Pakistani intelligence official became a “walk in” asset include the special operations officer and a CIA officer who had served in Pakistan. These two sources and a third source, a very senior former U.S. intelligence official, also say that elements of the ISI were aware of bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad. The former official was emphatic about the ISI’s awareness, saying twice, “They knew.”
Source: NBC News
Video Report:
The one thing that President Obama could hail as a success during his tenure as President has now been exposed as an outright lie.
It looks like all those ‘conspiracy nuts’ who took issue with the “official” story following the President’s original announcement of bin Laden’s death were not so crazy after all. There’s a reason millions of Americans have lost trust in their government, and especially with the sitting President of the United States. It’s because we have been consistently lied to about anything and everything of any significance.
What else are they lying about?
Fast and Furious gun running? Economic recovery? Official unemployment numbers? Jade Helm military exercises? The Ukraine conflict? Or, what about the deaths of SEAL team members that were supposedly involved with Bin Laden raid?
Flashback: Representative Joe Wilson breaks State of the Union Decorum when he shouts “You Lie” during President Obama’s speech.
How right he was…
Obama is a lame duck, why bring this up now? Unless Team Hillary wants to discredit ‘Bama and strengthen her position to look good by comparison. Next up: another Hillary scandal. Ho Hum.
Fuck Democrats, they never delivered on immigration reform. As Uncle David said about the 710 extension into Pasadena; it’s not that they couldn’t but that they lost the will to act.
It seems that Seymour Hersh has been a bigger pain in the ass for the government than Bin Laden ever was. He just keeps popping up over and over again with shit bombs that political fuckers just hate. You can bet that the “Elected” never loose sleep of some Americans getting blown up by the Islams but they sure do when guys like Seymour Hersh start throwing nasty shit around.. May Seymour live long and well to dump some more of their garbage back on them.
In Stunning U-Turn, NBC Retracts Story That Obama Lied About bin Laden
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/14/2015 10:38 -0400
It would appear someone at NBC News got a rather large tap on the shoulder. In what is a stunning reversal of their confirmation that President Obama lied and lying about the killing of bin Laden, NBC News has updated their original story – that “two intelligence sources tell NBC News that the year before the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden, a ‘walk in’ asset from Pakistani intelligence told the CIA where the most wanted man in the world was hiding” – to this – “Sources say that while the asset provided information vital to the hunt for bin Laden, he was not the source of his whereabouts.” As Slate concludes, while NBC’s story doesn’t use the word correction or retraction, that’s what this appears to be.
Since we discussed the details of the original NBC News ‘confirmation’ story here…
…the Obama administration has spent the last 24 hours working to discredit the story. Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren said the report from Hersh was “largely a fabrication” with “too many inaccuracies.”
The White House says the Hersh’s investigation is riddled with inaccuracies.
And now, NBC News “retracts”… (as Slate reports)
Shortly after the Hersh story’s publication, NBC News did seem to have confirmed one of its surprising details, namely that a “walk-in asset” from Pakistani intelligence had approached the CIA in 2010 and given it Bin Laden’s location. Hersh claims that this “walk-in” was a more important source of information on Bin Laden’s whereabouts than the courier who, in most other reports on the al-Qaida’s leader’s death, was identified and followed by American intelligence until he unknowingly led them to Abbottabad.
Here’s what NBC wrote earlier this week:
Two intelligence sources tell NBC News that the year before the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden, a “walk in” asset from Pakistani intelligence told the CIA where the most wanted man in the world was hiding.
If true, that would be major news. But NBC now says it’s not actually true. Here’s what now appears atop NBC’s story on the walk-in:
Editor’s Note: This story has been updated since it was first published. The original version of this story said that a Pakistani asset told the U.S. where bin Laden was hiding. Sources say that while the asset provided information vital to the hunt for bin Laden, he was not the source of his whereabouts.
While NBC’s story doesn’t use the word correction or retraction, that’s what this appears to be. The walk-in “did not provide the location of the al Qaeda leader’s Abottabad, Pakistan compound,” the story now says.
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Did the most transparent administration in history just transparently strong-arm the press?