The latest media-generated “blowup” is from The Donald saying that McCain isn’t a real war hero.
Well, he’s not folks.
You don’t become a war hero by being captured by the enemy. You might become one through what you did before or after that, but the act of being captured itself doesn’t qualify because you don’t choose that.
McCain is not a war hero because there was nothing particularly valorous about his service.
Moreover, and at least as important, what he did to his first wife was viperous, not valorous.
Carol McCain is a war hero. She stuck with her imprisoned husband without complaint through his entire time being held as a POW, raising their three children alone while he was in prison. She made a series of valorous choices. But then she was in a terrible car accident that left her permanently impaired and John McCain ditched her for a very wealthy and beautiful heiress who not only became his lover but financed his political campaigns.
War hero eh? I think not.
McCain is a snake who will screw anyone for his own personal and political aggrandizement.
The reason the political establishment on both sides is all over Trump for this latest comment is that mistreating those who you have taken a sacred oath to before God, one that certainly ought to be more important than your petty oath to defend and protect the Constitution (which is also routinely ignored), is treated as a sport in politics.
Trump is right — again.
Southern Sage
July 21, 2015 10:06 am
McCain is scared to death that the Trump comments will lead to a fresh look at his “war hero” status. The true story is coming out all over the Internet. The sooner this flatulent old gasbag is exposed the better.
Stucky
July 21, 2015 11:43 am
TRUMP IS RIGHT!!
Inconvenient Truths.
1)- Sen. Shitstain was NOT a fighter pilot … despite his attempts to perpetuate that myth. He was trained as an A-4 bomber pilot.
2) Sen, Shitstain’s Naval Academy was dismal … he graduated 894th in a class of 899 …. (the other 5 graduates below him were chimpanzees being trained to sit in a chair for upcoming rocket launches into space).
3)- Sen. Shitstain barely passed flight school …. crashing two airplanes and damaging a third.
4)- In one of those crashes, Sen. Shitstain flew a navy airplane to Philadelphia to attend the Army-Navy football game (1965). On the way back to his base in Norfolk, Virginia, the plane’s engine quit, he said, so he bailed out. The plane crashed and was destroyed.
5)- Sen Shitstain, in military terms, was born was born with two silver spoons in his mouth. His grandpa was a highly-decorated admiral in World War II. Daddy was commander-in-chief of all forces in the Pacific, making him the highest ranking officer in the Vietnam War. Mostly all the awards and accolades Shitstain received were due to his lineage, not actual results.
Above summary from this excellent (and, long) article:
He dove down to attack an antiaircraft battery as a target of opportunity. Must have seen to many Davy Crockett movies where he attacks and kills another Grizzly Bear with a Bowie Knife.
Stucky
July 21, 2015 5:08 pm
New York Times reporter, R. W. Apple. Jr., reported on July 31, 1967, that Captain John K. Beling, the Forrestal’s commanding officer, stated:
“for some unknown reason, a plane parked near the carrier’s island, midway up the 1,045 foot flight deck, experienced an ‘extreme wet start.’
“This malfunction, comparable to what happens when a cigarette lighter is ignited after having been filled to full, occurs about once a week on attack carriers, but almost never so severely as it did yesterday.”
“A thick tongue of flame lashed backward from the parked jet, igniting a missile on one of the dozen or so planes parked near the fantail, their engines turning over in readiness for a strike launching scheduled for 11 a.m.The rocket ‘shot across the deck,’ Captain Beling said, ‘and by a quirk of fate smashed into a fuel tank under a plane on the port side.’”
The plane struck by the missile was McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk, a fitting “quirk of fate” since it was McCain’s “wet start” that triggered the firing of the missile that hit his jet in the first place.
From the point of ignition of the missile in the conflagration on the Forrestal, McCain leapt from his jet and rolled out of the flames. No mention was ever made of McCain experiencing “wounds” from the incident in any of the accounts of those onboard the Forrestal in July, 1967 — all lower in rank than McCain’s father who had rank over all officers in the Forrestal’s theater of operations.
According to established reports, McCain was the first person to be reassigned to the USS Oriskany, probably to protect him from the friends of the 134 killed and 161 injured on the USS Forrestal.What this all means is that John McCain and his campaign are “revising history,” using McCain’s father’s position within the Navy to hide and distort matters of historical fact.
All this fact-bending in order to spare the privileged son of a distinguished Naval officer the embarrassment of having to explain how he was responsible for the worst disaster on a naval aircraft carrier since World War II, and yet was honorably discharged and continues to receive a veteran’s pension.
John McCain, the American people would like your pension paid back to the Treasury, adjusted for inflation.
yahsure
July 21, 2015 5:36 pm
McCain is not a war hero. He is an example of why term limits are needed. This senile old man seems determined to start ww3.
Stucky
July 21, 2015 5:54 pm
John McCain and the POW Cover-Up
The “war hero” candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam.
Eighteen months ago, TAC publisher Ron Unz discovered an astonishing account of the role the 2008 Republican presidential nominee, John McCain, had played in suppressing information about what happened to American soldiers missing in action in Vietnam. Below, we present in full Sydney Schanberg’s explosive story.
TAC-McCainPOWs John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn’t return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero who people would logically imagine as a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.
Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain’s role in it, even as the Republican Party has made McCain’s military service the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn’t talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.
The sum of the secrets McCain has sought to hide is not small. There exists a telling mass of official documents, radio intercepts, witness depositions, satellite photos of rescue symbols that pilots were trained to use, electronic messages from the ground containing the individual code numbers given to airmen, a rescue mission by a special forces unit that was aborted twice by Washington—and even sworn testimony by two Defense secretaries that “men were left behind.” This imposing body of evidence suggests that a large number—the documents indicate probably hundreds—of the U.S. prisoners held by Vietnam were not returned when the peace treaty was signed in January 1973 and Hanoi released 591 men, among them Navy combat pilot John S. McCain.
Sydney Schanberg has been a journalist for nearly 50 years. The 1984 movie “The Killing Fields,” which won several Academy Awards, was based on his book. Here he also writes about — “McCain and the POW Cover-Up” — in a scathing and well documented (long) article.
by Karl Denninger
Trump Is Still Right (McCain)
The latest media-generated “blowup” is from The Donald saying that McCain isn’t a real war hero.
Well, he’s not folks.
You don’t become a war hero by being captured by the enemy. You might become one through what you did before or after that, but the act of being captured itself doesn’t qualify because you don’t choose that.
McCain is not a war hero because there was nothing particularly valorous about his service.
Moreover, and at least as important, what he did to his first wife was viperous, not valorous.
Carol McCain is a war hero. She stuck with her imprisoned husband without complaint through his entire time being held as a POW, raising their three children alone while he was in prison. She made a series of valorous choices. But then she was in a terrible car accident that left her permanently impaired and John McCain ditched her for a very wealthy and beautiful heiress who not only became his lover but financed his political campaigns.
War hero eh? I think not.
McCain is a snake who will screw anyone for his own personal and political aggrandizement.
The reason the political establishment on both sides is all over Trump for this latest comment is that mistreating those who you have taken a sacred oath to before God, one that certainly ought to be more important than your petty oath to defend and protect the Constitution (which is also routinely ignored), is treated as a sport in politics.
Trump is right — again.
McCain is scared to death that the Trump comments will lead to a fresh look at his “war hero” status. The true story is coming out all over the Internet. The sooner this flatulent old gasbag is exposed the better.
TRUMP IS RIGHT!!
Inconvenient Truths.
1)- Sen. Shitstain was NOT a fighter pilot … despite his attempts to perpetuate that myth. He was trained as an A-4 bomber pilot.
2) Sen, Shitstain’s Naval Academy was dismal … he graduated 894th in a class of 899 …. (the other 5 graduates below him were chimpanzees being trained to sit in a chair for upcoming rocket launches into space).
3)- Sen. Shitstain barely passed flight school …. crashing two airplanes and damaging a third.
4)- In one of those crashes, Sen. Shitstain flew a navy airplane to Philadelphia to attend the Army-Navy football game (1965). On the way back to his base in Norfolk, Virginia, the plane’s engine quit, he said, so he bailed out. The plane crashed and was destroyed.
5)- Sen Shitstain, in military terms, was born was born with two silver spoons in his mouth. His grandpa was a highly-decorated admiral in World War II. Daddy was commander-in-chief of all forces in the Pacific, making him the highest ranking officer in the Vietnam War. Mostly all the awards and accolades Shitstain received were due to his lineage, not actual results.
Above summary from this excellent (and, long) article:
http://www.pythiapress.com/wartales/McCain-Shootdown.htm
Shitstain bombed villages and killed civilians.
But, we were at war, so I guess he gets a pass.
He dove down to attack an antiaircraft battery as a target of opportunity. Must have seen to many Davy Crockett movies where he attacks and kills another Grizzly Bear with a Bowie Knife.
New York Times reporter, R. W. Apple. Jr., reported on July 31, 1967, that Captain John K. Beling, the Forrestal’s commanding officer, stated:
“for some unknown reason, a plane parked near the carrier’s island, midway up the 1,045 foot flight deck, experienced an ‘extreme wet start.’
“This malfunction, comparable to what happens when a cigarette lighter is ignited after having been filled to full, occurs about once a week on attack carriers, but almost never so severely as it did yesterday.”
“A thick tongue of flame lashed backward from the parked jet, igniting a missile on one of the dozen or so planes parked near the fantail, their engines turning over in readiness for a strike launching scheduled for 11 a.m.The rocket ‘shot across the deck,’ Captain Beling said, ‘and by a quirk of fate smashed into a fuel tank under a plane on the port side.’”
The plane struck by the missile was McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk, a fitting “quirk of fate” since it was McCain’s “wet start” that triggered the firing of the missile that hit his jet in the first place.
From the point of ignition of the missile in the conflagration on the Forrestal, McCain leapt from his jet and rolled out of the flames. No mention was ever made of McCain experiencing “wounds” from the incident in any of the accounts of those onboard the Forrestal in July, 1967 — all lower in rank than McCain’s father who had rank over all officers in the Forrestal’s theater of operations.
According to established reports, McCain was the first person to be reassigned to the USS Oriskany, probably to protect him from the friends of the 134 killed and 161 injured on the USS Forrestal.What this all means is that John McCain and his campaign are “revising history,” using McCain’s father’s position within the Navy to hide and distort matters of historical fact.
All this fact-bending in order to spare the privileged son of a distinguished Naval officer the embarrassment of having to explain how he was responsible for the worst disaster on a naval aircraft carrier since World War II, and yet was honorably discharged and continues to receive a veteran’s pension.
John McCain, the American people would like your pension paid back to the Treasury, adjusted for inflation.
McCain is not a war hero. He is an example of why term limits are needed. This senile old man seems determined to start ww3.
John McCain and the POW Cover-Up
The “war hero” candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam.
Eighteen months ago, TAC publisher Ron Unz discovered an astonishing account of the role the 2008 Republican presidential nominee, John McCain, had played in suppressing information about what happened to American soldiers missing in action in Vietnam. Below, we present in full Sydney Schanberg’s explosive story.
TAC-McCainPOWs John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn’t return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero who people would logically imagine as a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.
Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain’s role in it, even as the Republican Party has made McCain’s military service the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn’t talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.
The sum of the secrets McCain has sought to hide is not small. There exists a telling mass of official documents, radio intercepts, witness depositions, satellite photos of rescue symbols that pilots were trained to use, electronic messages from the ground containing the individual code numbers given to airmen, a rescue mission by a special forces unit that was aborted twice by Washington—and even sworn testimony by two Defense secretaries that “men were left behind.” This imposing body of evidence suggests that a large number—the documents indicate probably hundreds—of the U.S. prisoners held by Vietnam were not returned when the peace treaty was signed in January 1973 and Hanoi released 591 men, among them Navy combat pilot John S. McCain.
rest of story here —-
Sydney Schanberg has been a journalist for nearly 50 years. The 1984 movie “The Killing Fields,” which won several Academy Awards, was based on his book. Here he also writes about — “McCain and the POW Cover-Up” — in a scathing and well documented (long) article.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/