Paying for Electric Cars… Twice

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Imagine that the government decided to tax you to finance a step ladder project to the Moon.EV charging station

In a very real way, that’s exactly what’s happening. In California right now – and probably soon, other states as well.

The “moon shot” in question is a $22 million project (just for openers) to build thousands of electric vehicle charging stations at $15,000 a piece  in the Los Angeles area to support electric cars … which can’t get very far without an electric umbilical cord.

Electric cars like the Nissan Leaf and the electric version of the VW Golf have a full-charge range of about 80 miles under ideal conditions. Less, if it’s very cold – or very hot – outside. The efficiency of electric batteries decreases with temperature extremes as well as use of accessories such as headlights and air conditioning and heaters.Tesla charging

Leaving aside the luxury-car price tag of electric cars (the Leaf and electric Golf, which both list for about $30,000, are the “cheapies” of the bunch; a Tesla starts at about $70k), their limited radius of action makes them useless for other than short trips – under ideal conditions – and when there’s a place to plug in at each end.

And even when there is a place to plug in, the wait is Soviet.

It takes at least 30-45 minutes to recharge an electric car using a high-capacity “super” charging system like the ones being pushed (for you to pay for) by Tesla CEO Elon Musk and being implemented in California.

Obama electric

Who is going to queue up to wait 30-45 minutes to recharge their $30,000 electric car so they can travel maybe another 80 miles before having to stop for another 30-45 minutes? Keep in mind, this assumes ideal conditions. Sunny and warm (but not too warm).  If you have to use the headlights or the air conditioning or the heater, your mileage will vary. It’s also necessary – if you want to get where you are going – to drive at a Prius-esque pace. Sustained speeds higher than about 50 MPH dramatically reduce the electric car’s range, as does anything more than the gentlest acceleration.

Meanwhile, the humblest new economy car that costs half as much – and which doesn’t require thousands of dollars in taxpayer-funded bribes to induce people to buy one – can travel 300-400 miles at 75 MPH on a tank of gas. And when the tank runs dry, it can be refilled in five minutes … for about $20. 

You do the math.

Too bad the folks handling our money can’t.green summit

John Boesel of CALSTART, for example. CALSTART is a crony capitalist cartel (they style themselves an “alliance of companies and groups supporting renewable energy”) that uses government power to enrich itself at taxpayer expense. Boesel writes that the $22 million in extorted capital is “…a game changer in the economics of installing charging (stations).”

Certainly.

In the same way that it’s a “game changer” when a mugger helps himself  to your wallet. He’s richer. But you’re poorer. A zero sum transaction.

Boesel even admits this. He says: “…before, the economics were getting in the way. Now there’s a real solution being offered.”

Italics added.dweezil

Sure. Just seize people’s money and the “economics” become favorable. Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders no doubt agrees.

But it begs the question: If electric cars – and electric charging stations – are so desirable (or even slightly desirable) why is it necessary to constantly prop them up with subsidies?

If the economics make sense, none of this would be necessary.

The fact that it is necessary is telling.

California – the government, not the people – is pushing electric cars like Stalin pushed pushed forced collectivization of farms. The state demands that 1.5 million “clean” (that is, electric) cars be in service by 2025, just nine years from now. A law (SB 350; see here) was passed last year mandating that the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) “invest” in (that is, use other people’s money to fund) “… accelerate(d) widespread transportation electrification to reduce dependence on petroleum and met air quality standards.”subsidy pic

The $22 million “investment” (the cost will be folded into Californians’ utility bills) is just a down payment.

Southern California Edison is one of three state utilities that will be offloading the cost of “widespread electrification” onto the backs of California taxpayers. The other two – Sand Diego Gas & Electric and Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E) also have “proposals” pending. If each is worth – if each costs  – another $22 million then taxpayers are a looking at not-far-from $100 million in EV payola.

That’s just initially. Once the programs getup and running, the total cost could exceed $355 million according to CPUC’s own estimates – which are almost certainly lowball (as government estimates of the cost of everything government does invariably are).

All this as gas prices dip to historic lows – a function of increased supply. The decades-old mantra that “we’re running out oil!” is belied by the fact that new reserves (and new extraction methods) have pushed the cost of a barrel of crude to $30 a barrel as of mid-January. If we were “running out of oil” there would be less oil available – and the cost of oil would be going up rather than down.

And while the cost of gas goes down, the cost of electric cars continues to go up.crony pic

Electricity is neither free nor without “environmental impact.” The utilities that generate power do so for the most part by burning (wait for it) oil and coal. If the state of California – if other states – get their wish and millions of electric cars come online, it will mean more demand for electricity, which will mean… burning more oil and coal. (SB 350 also mandates that by 2030, utilities produce 50 percent of their electricity using “renewable” sources. Good luck with that, given that nuclear – the only other economically/functionall viable alternative – has been takeoff the table.)

So much for the “green” argument.

Both tailpipe-wise and pocketbook-wise.

The homely truth is that electric cars are pretty much the least efficient – and most expensive – way to get from A to B. The “economics” are impossible. Which is why they need not one but two crutches to prop up their existence.

How much more of this can California taxpayers afford? How much more of this can the country afford?

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Anonymous
Anonymous
January 20, 2016 2:52 pm

If these electric thingies were viable with consumers then the companies making them would be building the charging stations at their own expense to encourage and expand their sales.

But they’re not, other than for golf course use not many consumers want electric vehicles.

Dutchman
Dutchman
January 20, 2016 3:03 pm

I have come to hate that pompous asshole Elon Musk. He’s the poster child of getting government grants and subsidy’s. What’s worse the MSM kisses his ass, and thinks he’s the new Einstein. Colonies on Mars – we should send him first.

His cars simply run off of laptop LIon batteries. That’s it – nothing more. He was also pushing a solar home electric system – once again LIon batteries. Christ there aren’t enough rare earth metals in all of Africa and China to make enough batteries.

How come the government doesn’t build gas stations?

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
January 20, 2016 3:13 pm
B
B
January 20, 2016 3:34 pm

The funny things that happen at the end of Empire.:o)

Stucky
Stucky
January 20, 2016 3:35 pm

Forty five minutes to recharge. heh heh That’s hilarious.

Good business opportunity though. I’d open up a Blowjobs-On-Demand business. You can run it out of a cheap camper/trailer. 75% of guys waiting for an hour with nothing else to do will definitely go for it. The other 25%, the faithful ones, will settle for a hand job. You could make a fuckin fortune.

Potential jingo —- “So your car has been sucked dry? Let us do the same for you!”.

kokoda
kokoda
January 20, 2016 3:49 pm

Another theft from the public that Westcoaster loves.

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
January 20, 2016 4:12 pm

I also wonder why the cost of replacement batteries after 5 years or so is never taken into account. From what I recall a while back, the battery bank might set you back another 10k or more when the time comes!!

Muck About
Muck About
January 20, 2016 4:27 pm

While all this BS go flying around, I just tool along – get a 600 mile range whether stop and go or turnpike speeds – all on my 12 gallon tank.

My Prius is 3 years old now, nothing but routine maintenance , does exactly what it needs to do when it needs to do it. I kick a Corvette’s ass for 1/2 block the other day too! Such excitement..

MA

Gator
Gator
January 20, 2016 4:34 pm

These green energy and green car schemes are nothing but scams. I have a very close acquaintance that works high up for a major transportation company that has told me all about it. The way it works is the government offers all of these subsidies for doing certain things, which the company will only do if they still make money while doing it. None of them do this shit for free. In many cases, the government essentially bribes them to sign off on doing these things, because the government needs big corps to participate. The big transport company basically says what it will cost for them to do something, or the government offers crazy amounts of rebates for vehicles to run on compressed natrual gas and other things, so the company gets paid to run the trucks, and also gets all the money they spend on fuel back with tax rebates. Its a pretty disgusting waste of money. Then, once its started, the company is or course willing to expand this operation, build CFM stations, all of that, if the price is right. Again, the government is desperate to get more companies to participate in this kind of thing, so they just shovel money out.

My acquaintance doesn’t believe in this global warming nonsense, and the majority of the people in that department don’t seem to either, they just go along with it because the government provides large financial incentives for doing so. They even wanted to interview my acquaitnace for some kind of publication, but didn’t like it when the answer given about why they were pursuing this kind of thing is “because it is my job and my duty to the company to maximize shareholder value. This saves us a ton of money on taxes and saves us xx% on fuel for these trucks” when the preferred answer is “We want to stop global warming and save the planet, blah blah blah”. If this large, publically traded company doesn’t believe in it, I doubt any of the other ones do either. The government basically uses a carrot and stick approach – do what we want and we will shower you with taxpayer dollars, don’t play ball, and we wil make you a pariah. Guess which one gets picked? And the shitty thing is, this company in no way needs any government subsidies to be profitable, was just fine before all this nonsense.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
January 20, 2016 4:37 pm

I read recently that some of the plug-ins coming on the market in the next two or three years will only require 15 minutes to recharge at one of these stations. The best option is to go with gas/electric hybrids to lessen your inconvenience.

Still, I would be sure to buy ONLY a brand that guarantees to replace the batteries at no cost to the consumer up to and not less than 100,000 miles.

Stucky- Better hire gals that can get’er done and blown in 15 minutes.

phoolish
phoolish
January 20, 2016 4:39 pm

Fucking Fascism is a Riot.

BOHICA

AKAnon
AKAnon
January 20, 2016 4:40 pm

That 30-45 minute recharge time might look pretty attractive when CA starts rationing gas to push folks into electrics. Anyone remember 1973? I lived in LA at the time. We may all be doomed, but CA will lead the way.

nkit
nkit
January 20, 2016 4:51 pm

Gator wrote: The government basically uses a carrot and stick approach – do what we want and we will shower you with taxpayer dollars, don’t play ball, and we will make you a pariah.

Kind of how Islam works

http://spectator.org/articles/65241/invitation-islam

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
January 20, 2016 4:53 pm

AKAnon- If memory serves me you are in Alaska. What is your temp today and also has your snowfall amount been less than normal?

AKAnon
AKAnon
January 20, 2016 4:56 pm

BL-Single digits, above zero. Snowfall roughly normal for this time of year, but came in 3 very large storms-that is unusual.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
January 20, 2016 5:00 pm

AKAnon- Yes, noticed unusual storm pattern, thanks.,

starfcker
starfcker
January 20, 2016 5:28 pm

Nice write, eric

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
January 20, 2016 6:20 pm

Electric cars were supposed to be at great risk of exploding, but it hasn’t been happening. I got my hopes up for nothing.

po'boy
po'boy
January 20, 2016 7:22 pm

There is a free electric car charging station at the price chopper supermarket at our local strip mall area. For free you can charge your electric vehicle. In the 2 years it has been there I have never seen a single car charging there. Not once. It can service up to four cars at once. Funny stuff. We get snow here. Plenty of snow. Which means you need 4wd. Not an electric novelty.

ottomatick
ottomatick
January 20, 2016 7:27 pm

Jesus, all you fuckin smokers are spoutin off like the petroleum industry is not subsidized, I got a good chuckle outa that.
My solar panels are mine, think about that for a second, pseudo-libertarians.

wip
wip
January 20, 2016 7:55 pm

Ottomatick

Pretty funny.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
January 20, 2016 9:34 pm

I’m glad to see these charging stations sprouting up, and if they’re located near shopping or restaurants 30 to 45 mins for a charge about equals out.

I love my 2012 Plug-in Prius. While the charge is only good for about 10 miles of total EV driving, the cost of charging at home doesn’t even register on my electric bill, and the transition from EV to HV driving is pretty much seamless. And much of my gofer driving is within the 10 mile range, so I don’t use much gas. Took a trip to San Diego today (about 90 miles) and the fill-up was less than $10. The mpg is averaging 56 on all-around use.

The roads are full of Priuses here in SoCal, and I”m beginning to see Volts and Leafs as well. I wouldn’t buy a Volt because you’re limited to burning Premium gas, and frankly, they’re made by GM. I’ve never had good luck with Chevy’s except for 2 Corvettes I owned and loved.

Aheinousanus
Aheinousanus
January 20, 2016 9:53 pm

Kalifornia – the land of fruits and nuts. I just hope they keep their insanity there. Hopefully they will go bankrupt before they can spead it to other states.

goofyfoot
goofyfoot
January 21, 2016 7:17 am

SO fucking glad I self deported myself out of Alta-meh-hee-co in 95. Face it, the only sensible reason for even being in Hell-A is to change fucking planes.

po'boy
po'boy
January 21, 2016 8:30 am

Westcoaster gets 56 mpg in his smug mobile. I used to get 70 mpg in my vw virago. And it was cool. 10 mile range, lol. Go out for groceries in the snow with 10 mile range and die. He totes a thousand pound battery around all the time for that ten miles. Prius shitbox would prolly get a hundred miles to the gallon if it didnt have to drag that battery around. Ever seen an electric excavator? Now thats a useful electric vehicle. Massive generator and an umbillical over to the excavator. Super low gearing. Tires taller than you or I. Still burns 600to 800 gallons of diesel a day. Someone needs to sit california down at a table and explain to them that we have neither the rare earth elements or even rubber supply to change our system over to all or even 10% electric vehicles.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
January 21, 2016 9:09 am

Electric vehicles cause more pollution than they save.

http://www.pitt.edu/~crf30/Writing3.pdf