The Coming New Schism within the Catholic Church?

Guest Post by Martin Armstrong

Pope Francis

Just when you though the chaos of the 2016 Elections in the States was unusual, we are witnessing the fragmentation of society at every level and around the globe. There is a trend toward the end of one of these Private Waves and that is the polarization of groups. Yes Democrats and Republicans always fought on Capitol Hill, but the people accepted the election and moved on. This time, there are funds being raised and Obama has refused to leave Washington waging war against Trump and Jarrett is his commander and chief. Europe is polarized between left and right and the French system has completely collapsed so it has become to impossible to forecast a party since they have disintegrated into a free-for-all.

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During the 3rd Century, that is when Christianity really took off as well as the Christian Persecutions. There were pagans who blamed the Christians for making the gods mad and they were thus punishing the Romans. The Christians argued that the pagans were praying to false gods. Even religion went into this polarization phase. We are witnessing that between the extreme Muslim sects and Christianity right now, but we are also witnessing this trend within each religion.

The Catholic Church is no exception. Pope Francis has caused a polarization among Catholics that is starting to bubble to the surface. On the one had, Pope Francis has divided the Church not furthered its existence. He has kick-started the polarization directly within the Catholic world dividing into warring political camps as we see in politics. The Pope is seen as a hero by progressive Catholics and a scourge of of the Earth by conservatives. His political statements have done far more damage to religion than most people are even willing to look at.

Pope Francis is regarded by conservatives as a very dangerous man for he is embracing Marxism and the socialist agenda that subjugates the individual freedoms elevating the state first, people second. The Pope has spoken against globalized capitalism and he has even written a major encyclical on the environment. He has championed migrants in Europe only fueling the crisis within Europe and sending conservatives away from attending church. The Pope has seriously distorted being charitable with forced state action, which is not unjustified and a denial of basic freedoms. He has been embraced by socialists seeking to ex-appropriate other people’s money for their version of what the world should be. Pope Francis has emerged as the champion of “progressives” clearly in the camp of Karl Marx. This has begun to cause the Catholic Church to be identified with the progressive left and that has led to conservatives feeling they just do not fit in the Catholic Church. His comments are crossing the line between Church and State.

Pope Francis seems to desire overturning the Catholic doctrine saying that the faithful who are divorced and civilly remarried lacking an annulment must refrain from receiving holy communion. In this area, he is also very progessive but has not quite crossed that line to make it official. Many fear that the Pope is looking to overturn Catholicism’s ancient and countercultural teachings on sexual ethics. This is adding wood to the fire that some see the beginning of a new schism within the Church in the future.

Back in 2014, Pope Francis fired the German bishop for spending too much on his private residence of about $43 million. Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst became known as the “bling bishop” for being extravagant. Pope Francis fired him for he was not in alignment with his vision of a “poor church for the poor.”

Marx Cardinal_ReinhardThe Vatican announced Wednesday the pontiff had accepted the resignation of Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst, who had reportedly spent some 31 million euro ($43 million) on a new residence and complex in his Limburg diocese in western Germany while at the same time reducing salaries for staff in the name of financial austerity.

Cardinal Reinhard Marx in Germany effectively said that Catholics could not vote for the AfD. The Cardinal has helped to unbalance the Catholic Church going so far as basically offering support to Chancellor Angela Merkel, who created this refugee crisis to further her own political standing when she was criticized for being harsh of Greece. What many are not looking at is there has been a decline in Christianity became many see this an political and hypocritical on far too many levels.

Pope Francis has admitted that there is a “hemorrhage” of priests and nuns from the Catholic church. There has been a loss in clergy. The Pope commented on how nuns and priests have just quit claiming that modern society discourages lifelong commitments as in the soaring divorce rate. He further said that people conduct their lives based on “a la carte” choices. But there has been a decline in attending church that is not restricted to just the Catholics.  This is a trend which is infecting Christianity as a whole, and is reflected in the Podesta emails revealed the Democrats disliked Catholics and Evangelical Christians. Hillary’s staff said Catholics are “severely backwards” and further demeaned them saying they don’t know “what the hell they’re talking about.”Then you have Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi who recently said: “They pray in church on Sunday and then prey on people the rest of the week.”

 

Some are attributing this to a new As of Populism. Pope Francis seems to have embraced being a populist: plain-spoken, with little regard for fusty rules and institutions, and occasionally vicious with political adversaries. Strangely, these are attributes one sees in modern politicians. Will his legacy simply be that he is part of the populist insurgency we see around the world? Pope Francis has criticized Trump for his anti-immigration bans. However, if Trump is a populist, and career politicians try to dismiss, is Pope Francis a populist to the opposite side?

 

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anarchyst
anarchyst
March 19, 2017 9:36 am

The Vatican II Ecumenical Council fomented the beginning of the destruction of TRUE Catholicism.
…there are many of us traditional “old-line” Catholics who will NEVER accept the changes that Vatican II brought forth.
For the longest time, we were marginalized by our own hierarchy, until St. John Paul II restored our “rights”. For the longest time, the Latin Tridentine Mass was banned, only to be brought out for “special occasions”…
For those who claim that (old-line) Catholics are not Christian, I beg to differ…
Yes, the mainstream Catholic Church has been perverted by jewish and other interests, but us “old-line” Catholics remain true to the faith.
It was sickening to see this “Pope” hide his crucifix when meeting with jewish and islamic “leaders”. It would appear that modern-day Catholicism has been subordinated to judaism and islam–not good…

anon
anon
  anarchyst
March 20, 2017 5:19 pm

BRAVO! One of the most insighful posts!

Vatican II was nothing more than the “official” Jewish takeover of the Church.

Look at the “bishops”.. most were originally Jews at the council.

This also lead to the jews did not kill Jesus story.. which is opposite to traditional Catholic AND Christian teaching..

The removal of “anti-Semites” in the Church began with Vatican II.

learn the truth about WWII.. Germany was right!

Anon
Anon
March 19, 2017 9:39 am

“Pope Francis fired the German bishop for spending too much on his private residence of about $43 million. ” – I am sorry…what?
This may be the reason the Catholic Church is splintering… I am not putting ANY money in the collection bin for these people at any level to be purchasing $43 million dollar homes. What a con job organized religion has become. Look, I can read the Bible just like anyone else, and as far as I can see, organized religion nowadays is nothing more than another racket for revenue collection. I DO NOT need a middle man to understand and comprehend the Bible, and certainly do not need to be feeding another beast of scams and grift.

Anonymous
Anonymous
March 19, 2017 9:59 am

The purpose of the Church, above all else, is to carry the message of the Gospel and reconciliation with God to all peoples and nations so that they may find salvation in Chirst.

The Catholic Church, as represented by this Pope, no longer does this and actually works against it.

The doctrine of teaching mans word in place of God’s truth, unsound doctrine, is predicted in the prophecies as a sign of the approaching end, you can see this happening on a very overt scale now both among Catholics and among Protestants.

Flashman
Flashman
  Anonymous
March 19, 2017 1:31 pm

Outstanding post. Secularism rules the day in our current and imo, heretical Church. For those of you (us) who refuse to bow to the dictates of Vatican II I would suggest you take a hard look at the Society of Saint Pius the 10th or SSPX as it’s familiarly known.

Interesting side note to me as a VNV. The Burning Platform posted an article pertaining to the My Lai massacre a few days ago and to kill some time I was looking at statistics pertaining to KIA percentages. I found the following. Of the 58,220 deaths the 3 religious denominations that suffered the greatest KIA percentage were Methodists with 4,077 dead, Baptists with 9,480 dead and Catholics 16,817 dead. And for those that would argue (“again”) that blacks were disproportionally affected, the number of AAs KIA were 7,243; the number of caucasian deaths were 49,830. If you do the math the numbers correlate almost perfectly with AAs as a percentage of the population.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
March 19, 2017 10:04 am

The Pope is not a populist – quite the opposite. He is against capitalism and for socialism.

A Schism has already embraced the Catholic Church due to the Pope embracing politics in his sermons.

Having been raised as a Catholic, there never was any political divide within the Church at the local level; now, the Pope has pitted the Regressives vs the Conservatives among its members.

Good luck with that – dumb fucking Pope.

Warren
Warren
  kokoda - the most deplorable
March 19, 2017 10:18 pm

The current anti-Pope is the main reason I quit the RC Church and joined the Lutheran Church, the LC is closer to the Catholicism I grew up in, than that of the current RCC hijacked and run by the current cabal of Marxist Leninist, Liberation Theology, pro Islamic, pro New World Order curia.

The leftists will do to the RC Church what they did to education.

Anonymous
Anonymous
March 19, 2017 10:10 am

This pope is a fucking new world order scumbag!

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Anonymous
March 19, 2017 5:01 pm

He’s not the real pope. He’s an antipope foisted upon the church by gay cardinals. Ann Barnhardt explained this.

starfcker
starfcker
  Iska Waran
March 19, 2017 5:45 pm

Iska, one of the more interesting theories I’ve read was that Benedict stepped down under tremendous pressute from obongo and the EU. Makes sense, if they planned to install this traitor.

CCRider
CCRider
March 19, 2017 10:24 am

It’s more than this pope just being an asshole-and he is. He’s stupid. It’s the bedrock notion that God supposedly speaks to him and he regurgitates it and speaks it down to us? Are you shitting me or what?

Barney
Barney
March 19, 2017 11:16 am

“And I heard another voice from heaven saying, Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues” -Revelation 18:4 Some folks believe this verse is talking about the catholic church. Could be talking about the one world religion of the future that this pope seems to favor, or something else.

TampaRed
TampaRed
March 19, 2017 11:34 am

Long b4 this pope there were problems.
The American bishops are so left wing as a group that they may as well be a front for the communist party.They are for gun control,against tax cuts,against welfare cuts,etc.

Mark
Mark
March 19, 2017 11:45 am

You notice how popular and unpoplar this pope is?

The most popular and unpopular in history.

Its the atheistic Joos in the media once again.

underfire
underfire
March 19, 2017 12:06 pm

I can’t speak for all of them, but I think the same thing has happened in many of the protestant churches. I attended regularly for years, but not anymore, got fed up with these same liberal politics infiltrating the church and the practitioners thereof that feel the need to dominate others with their doctrine.

I agree with anon above, in that I don’t feel the need for a middleman, particularly one that is there to impress their politics on me. And is there any question from which side of the aisle the assault on Christianity is coming from? Hint, it’s not the gun and bible clingers.

I am the lorax i speak for the trees
I am the lorax i speak for the trees
March 19, 2017 5:49 pm

I speak for 90% of people in christian countries and I say this about the Pope – Who Cares, shut up !
Also for 90% of people in moslem countries and say this about the radicals – You’re the real enemy.

Össur Kristinsson
Össur Kristinsson
March 19, 2017 7:46 pm

Read Howard Bloom’s “The Lucifer Principle” for an enlightenment, or maybe rather, an opinion, on the ambitions of groups with indoctrinated world view, may they be political or sectarian.
My take is that there is no sectarian pressure – it’s all politics, aimed at taking over precious lands and resources.
Expendable young Males are the fodder of tribal expansion drive for, access to the spoils of a concurred enemy. These youngsters are sent out to fulfill megalomaniac wet dreams of the PTB and the fervor installed in the boys we send to battle is usually created by feeding them lies or promising them education and prosperity.
Google Cromwell and the Irish slave trade.

BB
BB
March 19, 2017 11:30 pm

Anonymous , Warren and Underfire are all spot on. Never been inside a Catholic Church or service but I can tell you The Protestants churches have their share of liberal apostates.Years ago when I finally started going to church I got up and walked out of several churches.I couldn’t take their liberal tolerance anymore..One had two lesbians as church officials.

R.J. Loomis
R.J. Loomis
October 6, 2019 1:48 pm

It is sad what this pope has done .The Catholic Church as we know it is doomed I am afraid.I am afraid in more ways than one.I wonder what God has in store for us ?

anarchyst
anarchyst
October 6, 2019 5:20 pm

The beginning of the end of traditional Catholicism was sealed with the infiltration of the Catholic Church Vatican II Ecumenical Council of the 1960s by Jews and Protestants who were involved in the “modernization” of the Catholic Church.
Much Catholic ritual and doctrine was discarded or changed, in order to reflect the “age” that we live in, as well as the promotion of the absolution of the Jews for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death, despite vitriolic Jewish hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity which exists to this day. The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) to do their “dirty work” for them…
Abandoning the use of Latin in the Mass destroyed its universality. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand the meaning of the Mass.
Prohibition of the celebration of the Tridentine Mass (except by special ecclesiastical permission) pushed many Catholics away from the new Modern Mass and the New Church, in general. It took a brave Archbishop Lefebvre and the Society of St. Pius X to push back” against Vatican II and re-legitimize the celebration of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass and other Catholic rites.
In pre-Vatican II times, the priest (celebrant of the Mass) was considered to be a part of the congregation, and a representative of the people.
By turning the priest around to face the congregation, the priest was no longer a representative, but an actor, diminishing his status and importance.
One area where the Catholic Church could improve itself involves celibacy, which is NOT Church dogma or doctrine. Celibacy was put in place during the middle ages in order to keep Church property from being inherited by family and relatives of priests and bishops. Celibacy was based on purely financial considerations, nothing more. It is interesting to note that Episcopal (Anglican) priests who convert to Catholicism can bring their families with them to the Church while Roman Catholic priests are denied marriage.
It was a grave mistake by the Church to de-legitimize pre-Vatican II principles.
Fortunately, there are Catholic organizations that subscribe to pre-Vatican II principles, one being the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).