The Reverse Model T

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Elon Musk, Tesla’s CEO, touts his latest electric car as the second coming of the Model T – an odd comparison given the Model 3 is everything the T was not.

Henry Ford’s idea was to make cars that emphasized utility and practicality; that were basic and which could be stamped out (literally) in quantity at low cost, so that almost anyone could afford to buy one. Prior to the T, cars were largely hand-built, ornate and very expensive.

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Consequently, almost no one could afford one except the very affluent. They were also delicate and finicky and so were basically toys. The T, in contrast, was rugged and durable; it was designed to be used on unpaved roads and to be fixable “in the field” (literally) with almost no tools and very little mechanical knowledge.

The first production model T (1909) listed for $825 – a fraction of the cost of other cars. By 1926, a T listed for just $265, the equivalent of about $3,574 in today’s money and equivalent to about a third of the cost of the least expensive new car you can buy today.

Ford sold a lot of cars. And without any subsidies.

Musk’s concept is the antipodal opposite of Ford’s. His electric cars emphasize style and performance, technology and complexity.

As a result, they are very expensive.

And require massive subsidies.

His soon-to-be-available Model 3 will list for $35,000 to start  – the equivalent of $472,073 in 1926 dollars. It is not the latter-day reincarnation of the Model T. It is the electrified equivalent of a 1926 Bugatti Type 35 – which cost about the same in 1926 as a Tesla Model 3 costs today. 


1925 Bugatti Type 35 Grand Prix

The difference being that the government didn’t mandate production quotas for Bugatti Type 35s, nor subsidize their purchase.

As a result, very few Type 35s were built.

As ought to be the case with Teslas and electric cars generally. Because – like the Bugatti Type 35 – they are indulgences.There is no economic case to be made for them – at least, as currently constituted. Whether electric or not, spending $35,000 to get from A to B when one could spend half that sum to get there just the same is about something other than getting from A to B.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to get from A to B swaddled in heated leather seats, surrounded by all the latest amenities. Nor is there anything wrong with sexy bodywork and blistering speed.

But why should those things be subsidized?

Isn’t it even more obnoxious than witnessing an EBT card holder ahead of you at the supermarket checkout “buying” sushi and prime rib? He’s not merely being fed. He’s being fed well. Fed better than you – and on your dime.

It’s an affront.

But it’s also something else.

Leaving aside the moral question of government subsidies in principle, the subsidization of high-end/high-performance electric cars like the Tesla has diverted engineering resources away from what ought to be the focus of electric car development: making them cost less to own/operate than non-electric cars.

If not, why bother? A Porsche is quicker than a Tesla – and doesn’t need 45 minutes to recharge. A Lexus can go 400 miles on  tank – twice as far as the best case range of the Tesla Model3.

The Tesla touts its ability to accelerate quickly (which it does) but that makes it less efficient – just as a Porsche is less efficient than a Prius.

You can have speed – or economy. If you want both, you’ll get a compromise.

But the Tesla is no middle of the roader. It emphasizes that it’s quicker than most cars, most especially economy cars. Which is like the EBT card holder smacking his lips as he describes how delicious that ribeye you just bought him was.

If the Tesla and other electric cars had to sell on the merits, they’d be much more like the Model T. They’d have to cost less than other cars, not more.

They’d also need to at least equal the practicality of non-electric cars.

This business of $35,000 electric cars that have half the range of $15,000 economy cars and that need five times as long (or much longer) to recharge is preposterous on the face of it.

But it could be made less preposterous if performance were de-emphasized, as it ought to be – and would be, if market forces were allowed to operate. Take away the grotesque subsidization of luxury and speed and the engineers would be working on ways to lighten electric cars (buh-bye cush carpets and leather) and minimize the draw on the batteries – which is the electric car’s weakest link. No heated seats. No power seats. No electric sunroof. No power windows. Electric motors burn electricity, which reduces range. To make up for this, you can install a bigger battery, but that adds weight, which requires more power to get moving . . . you see the problem.

The object of the exercise ought to be reducing consumption – in order to make the electric car economical. But because of the perverse incentives created by government subsidies, the reverse is encouraged.

Result? Expensive toys.

Musk crows about the roughly 400,000 people who’ve put $1,000 down to reserve a $35,000 Model 3. But there are only so many people who can afford to spend Bugatti Type 35 money on a car, electric or otherwise.

What happens when Elon runs out of rich people? Is the government going to subsidize $35k cars for everyone? A Bugatti in every garage – so to speak?

With the weight of Uncle behind him, Musk just might succeed in reversing the course of automotive history. Cars will become what they were before the appearance of the Model T:  Indulgences of the affluent.

The tragedy is we might actually have electric cars that make economic sense – if it weren’t for government subsidizing those that don’t.

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musket
musket
April 9, 2017 12:03 pm

Will never buy this subsidized POS…….

Dm
Dm
April 9, 2017 12:08 pm

– Porsche isn’t quicker than a Tesla
– Tesla range is over 300 miles
– Base price is $35K which is the same as BMW 3 Series which sold 500K units. Hardly a Bugatti
– The Chevy Bolt gets the same rebate and it costs more
– 99% charge at home

So much more wrong with the article

1980xls
1980xls
  Dm
April 9, 2017 6:46 pm

The Model S gets about 300 mi per charge.
Even Tesla has claimed expected range of the Model 3 around 200 mi.

And if you think the average selling price of the model 3 will wind up anywhere close to $35K, you’re dreaming.

Gator
Gator
  Dm
April 10, 2017 12:16 am

Dm, Most people doing what would be considered normal driving aren’t going to get 300 miles. Nothing I’ve read says that, its a best case kind of thing. And it being faster than so many other sports/muscle cars is a little bit misleading. There are videos of them blowing away supercharged challengers and other things like that on the track, but its a 1/8th mile track, run them on a 1/4 mile track, different story. Its an electric motor, it can get full power, instantly, on demand, and its all wheel drive, so it takes off quick.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 9, 2017 12:20 pm

“His soon-to-be-available Model 3 will list for $35,000 to start – the equivalent of $472,073 in 1926 dollars”
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uh, no. $35,000 today is equivalent to $2600 in 1926 FRN’s using the linked calculator. Personally I suspect it was even less than that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Zarathustra
April 9, 2017 2:36 pm

I’ll bet the number of people that have or can afford 35,000 dollars today is far greater than the number that had or could afford 2,600 dollars was in 1926 as well.

Dollar comparisons of now to then never seem to factor in relative wealth of people now and then.

http://www.jacksonskates.com/html/frames/frameset-1926.htm

travis
travis
  Anonymous
April 9, 2017 4:59 pm

Too truthy. Downvote. Lol. People were allowed to be dirt the fuck poor back then. No gov steppin in with free shit. Credit required an ability to repay and money was priced right.

General
General
April 9, 2017 12:33 pm

Lol. I bought a relatively new, used Tesla Model S, with 20k miles on it at a good price. It was still a bit expensive, but its a damn nice car.

Overall pros: luxury car, stupid fast acceleration, very quiet, no oil changes needed, no gas to buy, no transmission, no radiator, no gas engine, no muffler

Cons: charging is a little bit of hassle, as I am not set up to charge at home yet. I can charge at work, or go to a nearby Tesla supercharger. Basically, the car can be charged anywhere there is an electrical outlet. Its just slow to charge, but its not a major issue. Also the car is a bit on the expensive side, but within range for a luxury car.

starfcker
starfcker
  General
April 9, 2017 3:37 pm

Congratulations General. I’ll bet you have a smartphone, too. And one of those fancy microwave ovens. And a washing machine. All them new fangled things. Wasn’t Eric just crowing about driving around rolling stopsigns in a loaner Benz a couple weeks ago?

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 9, 2017 2:41 pm

People don’t buy a Tesla because it is a practical everyday all purpose family vehicle.

I’m thinking they never will.

That’s pretty different than the whole concept of the Model T.

starfcker
starfcker
  Anonymous
April 9, 2017 5:30 pm

Sure they do. I have an employee with a deposit on a model 3, to replace his BMW as a family sedan.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
April 9, 2017 2:46 pm

What about maintenance, especially batteries.

And, what does it cost to replace the battery pack?; how long do the batteries last?

Dm
Dm
  kokoda - the most deplorable
April 9, 2017 2:57 pm

10 years easily. With prices dropping fast.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Dm
April 9, 2017 3:18 pm

Wish I could get a cell phone or laptop battery that would last 10 years.

Maybe Musk should start making them, I’d bet they’d sell well enough to finance his Tesla’s without needing subsidies.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
  Anonymous
April 9, 2017 3:28 pm

Good thinking.

As far as Electric vehicles – useless until they become a lot, lot cheaper. I’ll believe it when I see it.

Socratic Dog
Socratic Dog
  Anonymous
April 9, 2017 5:14 pm

That laptop uses exactly the same batteries as a Tesla, only 5 or 6 instead of 15,000. Li-ion, 18650’s.
My laptop batteries lose life within a year, and that’s with minimal usage (I’m usually plugged in).

1980xls
1980xls
  Anonymous
April 9, 2017 6:49 pm

Tesla’s batteries ARE laptop batteries. only in a huge bundle with a cooling system.

travis
travis
  Dm
April 9, 2017 5:02 pm

4 years is the real world lifespan of a prius battery fwiw. My vet has one.

General
General
April 9, 2017 3:41 pm

Overall, the design and maintenance of an electric car is much simpler than a car with a gas power engine. The big bottleneck is the batteries, which are rapidly improving.

I consider my Tesla very practical. I should have less maintenance issues then my previous car. I had a Honda Accord 2002, which I drove for 15 years and had over 200k miles on it. It was nice not having a car payment for over ten years. But it was getting too old. I replaced my radiator and my fuel pump myself over the past two months. My finances are better, and I needed another car. I was debating between a Hybrid Honda Accord or the Tesla. I wasn’t going to shell out 100k for a new Tesla, so I got a used one with 20k miles for 60k about two weeks ago. If I am not happy with it next year, I will sell it, and I doubt that I will lose much money. But so far, I like the car. Overall, its far better then my old Honda Accord was when new.

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
  General
April 9, 2017 4:38 pm

That’s all well & good-I’m glad you’re happy with the car but who fucking cares when Musk has already sucked close to $5 Billion out of the Treasury. I don’t know what that works out to per car but it ain’t peanuts.

The point of the article wasn’t whether or not individuals owning one are happy, the point is why in the world are we subsidizing this bullshit? And make no mistake, that $60K you shelled out would have been much higher had Musk not tapped into the government.

starfcker
starfcker
  General
April 9, 2017 4:44 pm

They are really nice cars, General

Shinmen Takezo
Shinmen Takezo
April 9, 2017 3:57 pm

Musk is in fact positioning himself to be the “Henry Ford” of electric cars.

There WILL BE a major breakthrough in battery technology in the very near future–and Musk is banking on this, or in fact possesses it already in his back pocket.

When it is revealed that you can get 500 (or more) miles on a single charge–gone will be the day of the gasoline engine car…. and Musk will in fact own the market (as did Henry Ford back in the day) and possibly the patent on this battery technology. His car’s prices will drop dramatically and electric cars will dominate the roads forever.

At this point these subsides will disappear.

Just a few days ago I read about a “battery breakthrough” which multiplies the charge by a factor of four.

Musk is no dummy.

With his Space X company–he will reach Mars with people long before NASA manages to do so.
If you compare NASA’s Orion spacecraft with Musk’s spacecraft–NASA’s is still using “steam type” gauges and instrument panels. NASA’a Orion spacecraft will never, ever be used to take people to Mars as they envision. I do not see how four people will spend nine months (each way, back for forth) in the space of a Chevy panel van…. not going to happen.

I wish the author of these Musk “hate pieces” go to see a doctor to get rid of this “Hate Musk hard-on” he seems to have.

Anon
Anon
  Shinmen Takezo
April 9, 2017 4:35 pm

Ok, huh? First off, Space X can’t seem to even get a craft out of Earth’s orbit without “catastrophic failure” otherwise known as explosion. NASA got men to the moon in the 60’s. NASA has already reached Mars with two craft that lasted far LONGER than designed, and I suspect that the engineers at NASA could do manned flight now, if they were not working for the government. Elon, MAY be able to do it, BUT he would most likely be working with the same engineers AT NASA and of course be subsidized by Uncle Sam to do it.
Regarding this breakthrough battery tech you are talking about – vaporware period. The issue with batteries vs. gas / diesel / fossil fuel is a physics problem. You can also SAY that you are working on a way to send a particle faster than the speed of light – in theory, but unless Musk has God on speed dial and has made some deal with him to change the physical laws of nature, I am not holding my breath. Don’t believe me, research it yourself. I dare ya, then you may realize why Elon is looking in the wrong direction, and why so many here and elsewhere just see him as a fraud and his company is a cash furnace. If you think that they are going to take over the market, go log in to your Scottrade account and buy some shares of TSLA stock. You’ll be millionaire in no time. Just remember NOT to read their 10K or do any math, because it is a horror show.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
  Anon
April 9, 2017 6:07 pm

Yup, with batteries it is the physics that count.

Gator
Gator
  Anon
April 10, 2017 12:47 am

I don’t believe for one second that Space-X, or anyone else for that matter, is going to Mars anytime soon, but they are a different animal than Tesla. Sure, he makes a shitload of money off that too, but Space-X actually saves the taxpayer money. You can make the argument that maybe we shouldn’t we shouldn’t be launching all that shit into space, but, we are launching a ton of shit into space. We used to rely on the ULA’s Atlas V, which cost something like 3 times as much as a Space-X launch. Their latest explosion was, I believe, the first time they tried to reuse one of their rockets that landed, so there is obviously still some work to do there. I sure as hell wouldn’t ride in one.

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
April 9, 2017 4:01 pm

Yes but remember for all the pretensions of being for “the poor”, the Left is made of fake elitist boobs seeking fake status with social markers like Iphones and Gucci bags. These low-brow pinheads and their fake elitist attitudes are now being shilled by idiot technocraps like Elon Musky to buy his fabulous Icar. An expensive unreliable toy you cannot really charge anywhere, because it takes hours when plugged into a standard outlet. Elon Musky is the latest shill to bilk these cardboard edumaction losers. Steve Jobs made a fortune off these pretentious idiots. Musky the swamp rat is the diametric opposite of Henry Ford. He’s a money grubbing shill whose only motivation is GREED.

unit472
unit472
April 9, 2017 4:12 pm

Look, Tesla or any electric car could double its range and it would still be impractical for long road trips. A car needs to refuel every 400 miles or so but its not a problem. You pull into a gas station, stick your credit card in the gas pump and 5 minutes later you are back on the road. What in the hell do you do if you are driving a Tesla?

Imagine if Model T’s had been electric vehicle and the motor world had instead of ‘gas stations’ developed electric charging stations all over America to accomodate charging automobiles. Along comes General Motors who wants to sell gasoline powered cars because gasoline was a waste product from refining kerosene for lamps. To volatile for lamps or home heating purposes it was only ideal for internal combustion engines of which there were few around.

As ideal as a car powered by gasoline may have been without the infrastructure to support it it would be a useless novelty or something that could only be used around towns who had a few gas stations.

starfcker
starfcker
  unit472
April 9, 2017 5:37 pm

Your comment comes about five years too late, Unit. They Drove A Tesla From LA To New York In A Record 58 Hours 55 Minutes
http://jalopnik.com/they-drove-a-tesla-from-la-to-new-york-in-a-record-58-h-1699782187

General
General
April 9, 2017 6:05 pm

Has anyone commenting actually ever test driven a Tesla or even owned one?

Elon Musk may be an asshole, but I have a Tesla car, and I like it. I didn’t get it for being green. I wanted a nice reliable car. Yes, I am a bit concerned about the battery, but it has a warranty on it.

Personally, I am against all subsidies, including oil, gas, and electric. The government should stay out of it, although all know they won’t.

In spite of the subsidies, all cars still have to compete in the marketplace.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable
  General
April 9, 2017 6:11 pm

For $60,000 on any vehicle, one would hope it would be reliable.

And, for $60,000 of course it is ‘nice’.
It is not a car made for the general public.

1980xls
1980xls
  kokoda - the most deplorable
April 9, 2017 6:51 pm

The average Transaction price for a Model s is around $98K

General
General
  1980xls
April 9, 2017 11:30 pm

Depends on the add ons, which is why I didn’t buy a new one.

Gator
Gator
  General
April 10, 2017 12:34 am

The entire point of the article is that we shouldn’t be subsidizing their production, not that they aren’t nice cars. I’m sure they are, they certainly look like they’d be a blast to drive. But, its pretty fucking ridiculous, we are subsidizing expensive toys for rich people so that crony capitalists like Musk can grow insanely wealthy not by producing things people want to buy at a reasonable price (which I have no problem with, obviously), but by sticking his hands in all of our pockets.

Anon
Anon
  General
April 10, 2017 10:15 am

Yes, I have. Went in to a Tesla dealership, test drove one, asked many questions, researched a lot on its mechanicals etc. I love engineering and am always interested in anything that could be a new concept. I find their engineering great. I also, BTW like the engineering of a Prius. Would NEVER own one, as they almost scream to the world “Hi, I am a libtard doush bag” but I digress….That being said, it is an expensive toy. Period, and there of course is that physics problem I mentioned above…..

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
April 9, 2017 9:40 pm

I’ve always wondered how these cars will react in an EMP event.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
April 9, 2017 11:47 pm

Amazing that I saw no mention of the Prius, which virtually IS the Model T of the day. Tough as nails and requires very little maintenance. I saw one for sale the other day, former taxi with 465,000 miles and still running and passes smog.

Aquapura
Aquapura
April 10, 2017 4:06 am

I get the point Eric was trying to make but VERY SLOPPY WRITING. $35k in 1926 would be worth $472k in 2017, not the other way around. In 2017 $35k is a well optioned Accord or Camry or Fusion…i.e. your run of the mill family sedans. Sure, those are the models with the bigger motors and more do-dads at that price but it’s not a fucking Bugatti. Say what you will about Elon but he does have the pricing finally right to mass market an electric car.

If the gov’t subsidy is your beef why was there absolutely zero facts in the writing about that? There is plenty of evidence out there with a simple google search. Instead you focus on how the model T was cheaper and simpler by comparison. Well no-shit, that was a vehicle from a time before gov’t standards in vehicle production. Why don’t we harp on that, never mind that you could easily die in a model T for getting into what would be a routine fender bender in a modern vehicle.

artbyjoe
artbyjoe
April 12, 2017 11:07 pm

big maff error in this paragraph.

“His soon-to-be-available Model 3 will list for $35,000 to start – the equivalent of $472,073 in 1926 dollars”
i used an online interest calculator, here:

Amount: $2595
From: 1926 to 2017
To: Calculate
Inflation Results

$2,595 in 1926 equals $35,000.90 in 2017.

source: http://www.saving.org