Guest Post by The Zman
The reader who still cling to libertarianism have given me hell over my screed against their faith. I’m not without some sympathy for them. The core libertarian impulse to leave people alone in order to be left alone is admirable. If you are a libertarian, trying hard to live the non-aggression principle, it probably seems unfair that a hate thinker from the extreme Right is mocking your thing. I get that and I respect it to a point. That point is when I see something like this from the Pope of Modern Libertarianism.
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It should be impossible to be this stupid. I suspect for most of human existence, idiots who said moronic things like this tried to hand feed bears or cuddle with large reptiles, thus eliminating themselves from the the system. There’s no other way to read this than Nick Gillespie believes some minor alterations to the French tax code will ameliorate this.
Now, does Nick Gillespie really think altering tax policy will magically transform low-IQ, inbred Muslims from the Maghreb into patriotic French republicans who work at Parisian software shops? It’s tempting to say it is just another pose, but the evidence is piling up in favor of the argument that Nick Gillespie is a stupid person. Anyone who truly believes altering tax policy will reverse a thousand generations of evolution is an idiot.
That’s the fundamental problem with modern libertarians. They believe this or they simply are incapable of mastering ground floor level biology. The reason the country of Niger is a basket case is that’s the way the people of Niger want it. It is full of Hausa. The reason Paris was Paris was that, up until recently, it was full of Parisians! Now that Paris is filling up with North Africans and Arabs, it is looking like Algeria with better plumbing.
What’s happened to libertarians is a form of what Vox Day calls convergence. It used to be that libertarians accepted the chain of causality. They worked backward in order to arrive, obliquely, at the first cause. If you wanted to have a nation of maximum freedom, you had to have a nation with rational laws and that meant a rational, Anglo-Saxon culture. The result was a libertarianism in one country model.
Then a new breed of libertarian showed up mouthing all the economic arguments of libertarians, often with the zeal of a fanatic, but embracing liberal cultural arguments, re-framing them in terms of personal liberty. The result is libertarians have almost fully converged now with the liberals. They have been assimilated into the Borg. Libertarianism, like most libertarians, is all about someone else paying for their ethic dining habits.
It’s why they are no longer of any use to the Right.
Brilliant column. We have to deal with the facts as they, not as we might wish they were.
“The Moron In Full”
It doesn’t get any more moronic than this…
Q: What idiot would say Nick Gillespie is the “Pope of Modern Libertarianism”???
A: Ah… Jim Quinn
“It should be impossible to be this stupid.”
Alas… he’s not!!!
Now you know why he posts the Zman’s “conservative” clap.
These guys are right wing Statists. They hold “liberty” to be what they say “liberty” is!
You got it yet???
Jackson, don’t post a comment on a site attacking the site owner’s integrity. That’s some shitty netiquette right there.
Who declared him the “Pope of Modern Libertarianism”? He’s just another talking head.
I think it is because he runs the #1 Libertarian magazine “Reason.” Reason is HQ’d in Rockford, IL which is enough to make one question the critical “reasoning” involved in that decision.
Gillespie seems a decent and engaging guy most of the time. It is hard to argue against his quote about the economic decisions being almost as bad as the refugees. Both suck in the extreme. In my opinion adding these refugees on top of the stupid politicians and economists is akin to a death wish.
“the #1 Libertarian magazine “Reason.” ”
Move the quotation marks to read: the #1 “Libertarian” magazine Reason.
If the French weren’t giving free shit to the goat-fucking muslim invaders, the goat-fucking muslim invaders would probably still be in Goatfuckistan, Where they would be pretending they aren’t pedophiles, closeted homosexuals, and goat rapists – rather than in Europe, demonstrating that they are, in actual fact, pedophiles, closeted homosexuals, and goat rapists, at every opportunity that presents itself.
Giving free shit to goat-fucking muslims is literally an economic policy the graduates of their finest schools put in place. So are those open border policies. So are the absence of border controls. Nick isn’t really wrong about this.
Cheap labor is good, goys – until it’s not, of course. It’s one thing to externalize the costs of feeding, housing, educating the spawn of, and providing for the medical needs of your foreign labor force onto the tax payers. It’s quite another to externalize onto society the need of that nominally cheap foreign labor pool, to rape and murder children, and women, the elderly, and everyone else. Of course, long before the last French taxpayer is raped and murdered by one of your nominally cheap labor force, the country will have collapsed.
Goat fucking muslims in France are a symptom. Treasonous, short-sighted, butt-sex afficionados (like Macron, allegedly) are at least one important aspect of the underlying disease.
The people that own Macron (and his peers) are the real problem, the real disease. These are the people that set the policies that cause muslims to be in France, and Germany, and Sweden, and Denmark.
That was good, AC, especially the first paragraph.
OOhh-fucking-Rah, AC.
Colonialism and cold war had nothing to do with the present state of Africa or the middle east? I’d like to see some around here grow up eating dirt and wildebeest assholes , dodging CIA “rebels” every time they try to form an independent government. I’ll bet they would probably end up scoring an 85 on some western funded IQ test.
Colonialism didnt happen to functioning nations. It happened to backwards shit holes. Look it up. Dummy.
No surprise my whole point flew right over someone as small as you.
Daddysteve
Are you really that dumb? Africa is Africa because the average IQ hovers at around 75 and this is joined to largely genetically determined behavior traits. The CIA has nothing to do with it. As for colonialism, what a fly-blown, discredited excuse. Do shut up.
I feel the same when I see the latest from Ron Paul and Paul Craig Roberts. They have simply become fanatics trying to pound their round peg ideology through the square holes of reality.
Great article, and something to consider. Conservatives had to face the same reality under the chimp. It wasn’t really conservatism anymore.
Who the fuck is Nick Gillespie? I thought I knew about the major libertarian writers, but I never heard of this guy.
You do know about the major libertarian writers and that is exactly why you have never heard of this hack.
I dont know what libertarians you talk to…pacifists? But a belief in liberty and a desire to be left alone has nothing to do with a will to fight and an understanding of what must be done if there is to be liberty again.
I am not a libertarian… an originalist/textualist of the Constitution I have been called, but I believe in the liberty to be left alone, much the same as most of the founders believed and desired. Do you think these men were all of your belief? Every action undertaken would suggest that they want to be left alone to be free to do as they pleased in life, to worship as they pleased, to make a living and cut a life out of the land and be left alone without a forced ruling over their lives. At the heart of this is the desire not to rule over anyone else either for it takes away time and energy from ones own pursuance of liberty and by default if others are left to their own then so should be all. In the end, these men were pushed and cornered and would fight for this very liberty knowing that they must, not because they wanted to…not because their beliefs had changed…but because they had to in order to preserve their beliefs.
Now, I wont argue that this leave and be left alone philosophy didnt coordinated a power coup over the government that many didnt want to pay attention to or simply didnt care, but it is within the nature of many people to go along with the tides for one pebble is no match for the tide. This is why the times to fight must be chosen carefully and wisely. An attack on those closest in political belief isnt going to help a cause, and I assure you that any libertarian would fight given the chance to secure their liberties… but much like the men that hacked off the childrens arms, there must be a zero sum game, to be no worse off in a fight then as a slave to the state.
Choosing to group all economists into a heap isnt exactly true and shold be reconsidered. Most true libertarians take to the Austrian models, those that you complain of tend out of London and its Keynesian philosophy… but these are Frenchmen… not true libertarians… The fact that folks love to use the genetics of the muslims hordes and blacks out of bumblefuck Africa but refuse to consider that the French are not really of the anglos or saxons …they are frankish and goth and even basque… just boggles my mind… The french have been cowards for generations and have succumbed to any invader, is it truly any curiosity that they do so now? The parisians definitely dont represent all of france as others arent the same shitheads that come out of paris. To another point of the twitter message; is it not true that the decisions of those people of the “finest institutions” have created the hell that france now faces? Sure the muzzie hordes are the tool, but who organized the hordes. Even if one was to clean up the trash that now terrorizes their streets… that only cures a symptom…the source is deeper and that is what needs cleansing.
“There’s no other way to read this than Nick Gillespie believes some minor alterations to the French tax code will ameliorate this.”
Well, actually, there is another way to read this: it’s called reading.
What Gillespie actually wrote: “economic policies.” He said nothing about minor alterations to the French tax code.
When I read the title I thought someone finally did an expose on bb.
Right wing statist Jim Quinn lets anybody say anything on his site. NO CENSORSHIP. That is pretty admirable.
Libertarianism, like all other “isms” is nice in theory, tough in practice. Libertarianism depends on all others also leaving YOU alone, doing their own thing, and taking responsibility for their own actions, good or bad. REALITY doesn’t work this way. There is always going to be a contingent of the stupid, the careless, people who just cannot make life work for them, either because of stupidity or plain laziness. And then there is always the contingent of people who feel bad for these other people, and try to take care of them. Fine. Go ahead. The problem lies when you make EVERYONE ELSE take care of them whether they want to or not. And thinking that every other culture will respect your beliefs, lifestyle, etc, is naive in the extreme.
We forget history, and thus are doomed to repeat it. We talk about Islam being, at it’s core, a culture that is set up to take over and assimilate others. Christianity was like that for a long time too, subjugating peoples whether they like it or not. That lasted for a while, then the people rose up and rebelled. Some lasted, others did not (know any Mayans?) This is how humanity works. Those in the majority, with power, use whatever excuse to hold sway over others. We are all cannibals, it’s just semantics.
I regard libertarianism as a personal discipline. A person can decide for himself that he isn’t going to intrude on another person’s rights, person or property. It’s useless as a political philosophy because politics involves government and government can’t be influenced by the governed.
Ed said:
Blah Blah Blah… I’m a proud Red statist.
Whenever I see an article about libertarian policy that talks about international political strategy I assume that it has nothing to do with liberty but with another facet of globalism. Liberty is the political position of the individual. Libertarianism is the politics of channeling those folks into a movement that is prima facie anti-liberty. In short, I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member*
I don’t think most people understand what liberty is all about. The risks associated with it are inherent to the value of it and most people are risk averse. It requires a reliance on your own sense of what is right and wrong and the associations that you are able to forge with others who are like minded. This narrows your circle down to an almost imperceptible few. The vast majority want nothing to do with real liberty because it means giving up so much for so little and most of those are intangibles.
The flip side is that you live a life that is rich in experience, you can be honest with yourself and in the end you haven’t placed the demands of your life on anyone else against their will and all the relationships that you have developed are deeper because they are mutually beneficial based on genuine freedom of association. Those kinds of enticements only work on a negligible minority of people.
The lesson almost everyone misses in all of these various human societal interactions is that it is just a giant laboratory for perfecting the organism to it’s environment. None of these iterations of structure or political affiliation are genuinely driven by conscious desire or motivations of the rational intellect, but by the real driver of our physical bodies through time- genes. Genetics require living life forms to replicate and move through time and so they use whatever flesh suit they find themselves in and try whatever variety of options work best to make the jump. None are inherently better or worse than any other if they allow for the genes to replicate. When one strategy fails so completely that it disappears, then that strategy was a loser and the ones that produce more physical bodies is the winner. We “think” we are the commanders of our souls, but we’re just the boats. Of course if you’ve got to be a boat, a good one is the goal.
I think I’m turning Japanese I really think so.
*Apologies to Groucho Marx
HF, don’t go turning into a Jap. I already have about as much as I can deal with over here.
Libertarianism is great in theory, but Tribalism still trumps #MuhOpenBorders
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“Libertarianism is the politics of channeling those folks into a movement that is prima facie anti-liberty. ” There’s your money quote, right there. Dead on.
Fuckin A, star. There it is.
starfcker said:
“There’s your money quote..”
Ya?… And just who said that… besides you??
Cite your source.
Jim, you fuck up when you drink alcohol with your drugs.
This article is by The Zman. I forgot to add the link.
To start, I know nothing of Nick Gillespie and call into question his credentials as libertarian pope.
Anyway, here’s my interpretation of the relevant debate-
I do think minor (Ok, huge) alterations to the French tax code (and its regulations and spending) would ameliorate their muslim problems. Specifically, it would drive the muslims away. They come to France because they can find sustenance, and status there. Take away the incentives (especially the evolutionary incentives) to do so, and they’ll leave or fail to reproduce.
As a libertarian, I consider the alt-right crowd to have reversed cause and effect. Economics drives race. It’s obvious that in a tightly regulated democracy where success is constrained but failure is forbidden, low intelligence plus high reproduction, combined with strong tribal impulse, is the evolutionary strategy.
In this environment, if muslims didn’t exist, evolution would create them.
The next move remains the same either way- remove the right to vote from scum. Probably by succeeding. However, the question of how to keep the enemies outside afterwords remains. The alt-right veers towards fascism, and thinks their government will protect them, by outlawing anything that reeks of low class.
As a libertarian I consider this plan to be folly. Governments don’t act like that. Give government that sort of power, and they’ll quickly find that it’s easier to control idiots than smart people, and will intentionally import idiots. Which is how we got into this situation to begin with.
So this Libertarian smear piece wasn’t the work of Admin, but that of the Zman.
Any surprise there? Nope.
Remember boys and girls: When they attempt to smear you, they fear you!
Bullshit, libertarians are either fools or liars. Both are dangerous.
Bullshit, libertarians are either fools or liars. Both are dangerous. I don,t fear libertarians, they are as organized as a herd of cats.
LMAO!!
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