this isnt the breakdown of the social contract (the social contract only existed in the minds of those ruled and was planted there as a pacifier)…what was being exposed is outright approved slavery because the powers that be are involved and are above the law. This slavery has been rumored for decades, not just with the current muslim hordes… that child “protective” services actually takes children and ships them off to farm them out and do unspeakable things, that those in the upper echelons of gov are nothing more than child predators, that “intel” agencies are used mainly to gather dirt on those in power to keep everyone in check… anyone notice how quickly pizzagate was put down in the US and how vehemently it was attacked by the MSM? The few that have the ability and will to fight and expose this become political prisoners and will be smeared in public media campaigns in an attempt to give reason for the imprisonment.
the US has political prisoners as well… I remember reading the stories on Irwin Schiff and his dealings with the IRS and gov, colluding to prevent the publishing/distribution of his book on the unconstitutionality of our tax laws and property confiscation…. the CIA being the biggest dealer in the world of heroine… BLM taking peoples land and property… time and again in this country if any individual attempts to take on the gov, irs or any of the alphabet soups in a court of “law” not only will that individual not win, but will most likely be harassed, imprisoned and have property confiscated.
The fact is that those in power have power via the end of a barrel and those that carry the barrels are paid via the fiat currency that is printed out of thin air… who believes that the masses are willing to raise their heads from an iphone for a cause that may disrupt their debtor lives even for a moment? who believes that any lawyer will actually fight for Tommy without risking their own imprisonment? There is no solution to this but the one that is the elephant in the room…and the one no one will carry out unless there is a massive collapse, which is also why so many hope for a collapse because then perhaps the powers numbers wont mean as much.
This “contract” hasnt existed ever and there shouldve been a wakeup call when the UN wrote up their Human Rights contract and in the fine print listed that any or all of the rights could be revoked at any time.
By and large I agree with you. I would simply say that “contract” is a funny way of saying consent (of course it is not a contract in the literal sense), and that the reason we give our consent on a daily basis (for most of us, begrudgingly) is that there is still a level of trust (but not much these days) between the people and the institutions that govern them.
However, trust is the lynch pin of civil society, not consent. Consent only comes once trust is established. Once trust is gone, and I can feel it leaking from the system daily, then what happens next is anyone’s guess.
I think society is much more fragile than either the power’s that be or we are willing to admit. Erode trust and eventually you have nothing. No state in the western world is big enough and powerful enough or has enough guns to survive the end of trust.
Human beings are funny creatures. On a daily basis you can gauge how they will act in large groups by and large until one day you can’t. Think Rome towards the end but faster, angrier and the with the plebs and barbarians with more information (true and untrue) and wielding nastier weapons.
The state can have all the surveillance and data analysis capabilities in the world but when people finally give up and lose their shit none of that will matter. No one will be safe in a collapse of trust.
Can’t just assume trust, tho. Like anything else of value, it has to be earned, then earned anew each day (or contact\interaction). Institutions have never once earned this. It’s no exaggeration to say institutions are a trust workaround. A shortcut, like “credentials” (such as those hospital “doctors” I recently was expected to trust.). A delegation. A responsibility hand-off. A “here’s my umbilical, just tell where the womb is, so I can plug in, tune out, drop out” – “that ain’t my job…”
I will nominate earn as the lynch pin of society, & will indict institutionalization (get busy livin’, or get busy dyin’ ~ shawshank redemption) as the lynch mob of the jungle…marauding bands of bonobos ambushing their way to cannibal protein calories.
France was a faster Rome. And look at France now. Fried…starting just about immediately once “the terror” ended…no, that’s not right: including the terror. Not just France, tho. Terror is the human terroir.
PTSD compartmentalizes past certain inflection points, but P that disregards pre in favor of post doesn’t want to know, doesn’t want to start at the beginning.
No consent, tacit or explicit. No authority. (Spooner, you da’ man!) Rousseau blows…very convenient starting assumption gas bubbles. Hobbes was a hobbled apologist for nationstates, just another in a long line of Machiavelli’s. “The union preceded the states (individuals) ~ Lincoln :: because the wielders of those blunt instruments say so (& because all those minion cogs who elevate & look up to, for their orders, go along to get along). This more than anything is the fuel that sets the platform afire.
~ 1:01:50 Tribes tryin’ to trump tribes. Raison detre. Not a little torture involved. Tortured logic, too (first, actually). “You want to be one of us? What you think now?” “They are the same as us.” Yup.
A thing that seems crux re Rousseau was his failure, commercially, as an artist. Resentment. Envy. What was wrong with all those ignoble civilized who did not value his work? I just know the Iroquois would have loved the guy.
Mike Murray
May 12, 2017 9:51 pm
The linchpin of today’s society is fear… of a legal lynching.
this isnt the breakdown of the social contract (the social contract only existed in the minds of those ruled and was planted there as a pacifier)…what was being exposed is outright approved slavery because the powers that be are involved and are above the law. This slavery has been rumored for decades, not just with the current muslim hordes… that child “protective” services actually takes children and ships them off to farm them out and do unspeakable things, that those in the upper echelons of gov are nothing more than child predators, that “intel” agencies are used mainly to gather dirt on those in power to keep everyone in check… anyone notice how quickly pizzagate was put down in the US and how vehemently it was attacked by the MSM? The few that have the ability and will to fight and expose this become political prisoners and will be smeared in public media campaigns in an attempt to give reason for the imprisonment.
the US has political prisoners as well… I remember reading the stories on Irwin Schiff and his dealings with the IRS and gov, colluding to prevent the publishing/distribution of his book on the unconstitutionality of our tax laws and property confiscation…. the CIA being the biggest dealer in the world of heroine… BLM taking peoples land and property… time and again in this country if any individual attempts to take on the gov, irs or any of the alphabet soups in a court of “law” not only will that individual not win, but will most likely be harassed, imprisoned and have property confiscated.
The fact is that those in power have power via the end of a barrel and those that carry the barrels are paid via the fiat currency that is printed out of thin air… who believes that the masses are willing to raise their heads from an iphone for a cause that may disrupt their debtor lives even for a moment? who believes that any lawyer will actually fight for Tommy without risking their own imprisonment? There is no solution to this but the one that is the elephant in the room…and the one no one will carry out unless there is a massive collapse, which is also why so many hope for a collapse because then perhaps the powers numbers wont mean as much.
This “contract” hasnt existed ever and there shouldve been a wakeup call when the UN wrote up their Human Rights contract and in the fine print listed that any or all of the rights could be revoked at any time.
digital,
By and large I agree with you. I would simply say that “contract” is a funny way of saying consent (of course it is not a contract in the literal sense), and that the reason we give our consent on a daily basis (for most of us, begrudgingly) is that there is still a level of trust (but not much these days) between the people and the institutions that govern them.
However, trust is the lynch pin of civil society, not consent. Consent only comes once trust is established. Once trust is gone, and I can feel it leaking from the system daily, then what happens next is anyone’s guess.
I think society is much more fragile than either the power’s that be or we are willing to admit. Erode trust and eventually you have nothing. No state in the western world is big enough and powerful enough or has enough guns to survive the end of trust.
Human beings are funny creatures. On a daily basis you can gauge how they will act in large groups by and large until one day you can’t. Think Rome towards the end but faster, angrier and the with the plebs and barbarians with more information (true and untrue) and wielding nastier weapons.
The state can have all the surveillance and data analysis capabilities in the world but when people finally give up and lose their shit none of that will matter. No one will be safe in a collapse of trust.
And at this stage any old spark can set it off.
Can’t just assume trust, tho. Like anything else of value, it has to be earned, then earned anew each day (or contact\interaction). Institutions have never once earned this. It’s no exaggeration to say institutions are a trust workaround. A shortcut, like “credentials” (such as those hospital “doctors” I recently was expected to trust.). A delegation. A responsibility hand-off. A “here’s my umbilical, just tell where the womb is, so I can plug in, tune out, drop out” – “that ain’t my job…”
I will nominate earn as the lynch pin of society, & will indict institutionalization (get busy livin’, or get busy dyin’ ~ shawshank redemption) as the lynch mob of the jungle…marauding bands of bonobos ambushing their way to cannibal protein calories.
France was a faster Rome. And look at France now. Fried…starting just about immediately once “the terror” ended…no, that’s not right: including the terror. Not just France, tho. Terror is the human terroir.
PTSD compartmentalizes past certain inflection points, but P that disregards pre in favor of post doesn’t want to know, doesn’t want to start at the beginning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
No consent, tacit or explicit. No authority. (Spooner, you da’ man!) Rousseau blows…very convenient starting assumption gas bubbles. Hobbes was a hobbled apologist for nationstates, just another in a long line of Machiavelli’s. “The union preceded the states (individuals) ~ Lincoln :: because the wielders of those blunt instruments say so (& because all those minion cogs who elevate & look up to, for their orders, go along to get along). This more than anything is the fuel that sets the platform afire.
“Rousseau blows”
I know it. I’m still pissed at him over that “Noble Savage” bullshit.
But he meant it as a compliment….
~ 1:01:50 Tribes tryin’ to trump tribes. Raison detre. Not a little torture involved. Tortured logic, too (first, actually). “You want to be one of us? What you think now?” “They are the same as us.” Yup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdD9YUeBDlI
A thing that seems crux re Rousseau was his failure, commercially, as an artist. Resentment. Envy. What was wrong with all those ignoble civilized who did not value his work? I just know the Iroquois would have loved the guy.
The linchpin of today’s society is fear… of a legal lynching.