Young men are working less and playing video games more, according to a National Bureau of Economic Research study published Monday.
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Men ages 21 to 30 years old worked 12 percent fewer hours in 2015 than they did in 2000, the economists found. Around 15 percent of young men worked zero weeks in 2015, a rate nearly double that of 2000.
Since 2004, young men have increasingly allocated more of their free time to playing video games and other computer-related activities, according to the study. Thirty-five percent of young men are living at home with their parents or a close relative, up 12 percent since 2000.
The results of the economists’ research are interesting, considering there are 10 million American men ages 24 to 64 that have completely dropped out of the workforce. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported in June that there were nearly 6 million jobs waiting to be filled. The U.S. job market has consistently posted gains around or above 200,000 new jobs per month in 2017.
The results of Monday’s study could suggest that, instead of actively seeking work in an economy with millions of open jobs, young men are choosing to stay at home and play video games.
No one wants to seek a job paying $7.50 per hour (pre-tax). While I don’t really agree w/ the decision, it is somewhat rational to not work under such circumstance. Going Galt.
Exactly. If I faced their circumstances, being a Sandwich Artist for shit pay, I would choose to spend my days fishing or staying home with a stack of books while sipping beer. Fuck ’em. My Lefty in-laws always support the teachers union and the $41/hr nurse’s union when they go on-strike over some minutiae in their contract. But they think the poor white trash should suck-it-up when it comes to the shit jobs offered them. Fucking hypocrites.
Any job is a foot in the door or, at least, a chance to learn some new skill. I took crap jobs including working for Manpower as a temporary right after my mother died. I was in the boondocks and had to give up my ‘good job’ in Sausalito to care for her.
Was assigned as a janitor/groundskeeper at Sprint at $8/hour. When they learned I could work on A/C units, chillers, boilers and furnaces my boss got me a contract to take care of Sprint facilities in the area plus one county in North Carolina. I did it long enough to make my resume look decent but I wasn’t a country boy and there was precious little to do SW Virginia so as soon as I found a job in the big city I left.
Other than a tattoo on your neck or face the one thing employers don’t like is big gaps in your resume.
Your testimony is what the Right Wing Bush/Buckley political coalition loves: Someone saying “Suck-it-up, Johnny. Things will get better in the future. We promise! Just keep working hard!! And then even harder!!! Show up early for work!!!! They will reward you!!!!! . Or maybe join join the military!!!!!! Remember, we promise, things will get better sometime in the ‘future’!!!!!!!”
You are clueless to what is happening to the blue collar workers. A true idiot.
Indeed, see the NYPost article I linked below. Men were 71% of the jobs lost during the recent period AND the employment policies are openly structured to prefer them last.
I get a bunch of thumbs-down in the first hour for telling the truth. I guess there are more Dubya Shrub supporters here than I thought. They probably even gave him money for one of his buttons. And a bumper-sticker for their Prius. Fucking Pussies.
If I played the thumbsey game I’d upvote you for discouraging the yutes from even trying. I love that shit! The less competition in the work force there is, the easier things are are for the go-getters. I don’t mind getting their cake and eating it too. 🙂
We’ve got a millenial kid working where I work. He started out at $18/hr but he’s not going to last. I just got paid six hours overtime this weekend at a much higher rate than he earns to work a total of one hour over three days. He could have been paid OT as well ($27/hr) but he “doesn’t like working weekends” even though it was part of his job description before being hired.
You see, we get paid two hours minimum every time we have to come in on weekends. It’s a standard thing to check gas flows on five different machines and verify there is enough gas online to last 24 hours. Takes about 15-20 minutes each day (Did I mention we get three day weekends?) but you get paid for two hours OT each day. That is just a bridge too far for the lazy fuck but it put a shitload of cash in my pocket.
The last minnie we had in these guys position never let me snag even one day of OT while he was in the position. I didn’t mind because I worked three years of 12-16 hour days and I now hate OT but the money rocks!
I’m all in favor of culling the ones who need culling. But $18/hr starting wages for newbies are rare these days. Another
example of the kind of anecdotal bullshit that TPTB on the Right loves to hear. They count on enablers like you to make their case for them. Meanwhile, they laugh all the way to the bank. Wake-up. Just because you’re doing well doesn’t mean much in the big picture.
When I officially entered the work force in 1985 I started at minimum wage and quickly worked my way up by being the go to guy in the place. That job led to a better opportunity where I again worked my way up in pay and responsibility. Due to my can-do attitude that cycle continued to this day. Opportunities to increase my pay, skillset and responsibilities were available to both my co-workers and I all along the way? Did they all make it? Nope.
I did, because the majority of the battle lies in looking for opportunities, creating opportunities and taking advantage of opportunities. How many opportunities do you reckon will just magically fucking appear to people while they’re following your advice sitting on the sidelines?
Fuck, I’d rather try and fail than fail without ever trying! They don’t hand out trophies for warming the bench on the sidelines.
I’ll bet you were one of those who advocated “participation trophies” for everyone huh?
EDIT: The only reason I’m doing well is because that is my goal. $18/hour might be rare but nobody is offering that to basement dwellers.
I/S
Gen Z are turning 18. They will make the minnies look like pikers. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/move-over-millennials-members-of-generation-z-are-ready-to-work-2017-07-07
Edit: I/S just wondering if you caught the info out today about the currency called the Phoenix that will be out by next year as a global means of payment even in the US?
Competing against Gen Z will be tough. I look forward to working with them.
I didn’t hear about the Phoenix? I’ll do some digging. Thanks.
Cant speak for others, but I have. Alt market did a great write up on this. This is a space Ill be watching closely. Also check out the economist cover on it from years ago, the colorado airport murals, and the significance of the Phoenix in masonic circles.
IS.
I’m only 51, and I retired almost 2 years ago, so I don’t reckon you would have much of anything worthwhile to say to me about ‘success’. Granted, I inherited a farm, but I made it better and turned it over to my oldest son. My comments about the blue-collar people are based on valid observations from where I live.
Just regular good people getting fucked. And people like you justifying it by your blindness. TPTB and the bankers thank you.
I/S – No need to dig….
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-09/economist-get-ready-world-currency-2018
I don’t deny that good people are getting fucked and you can’t deny that the hard working go-getters aren’t getting ahead. My comments, like yours, are also based on valid observations where I live.
You give shitty advice by telling people not to try because they’re getting fucked. That’s all I take issue with but as I’ve said, people following that advice make my life easier. There’s no reason for me to talk success with someone who encourages people to become losers without ever trying. Refusing to encourage losers does not equate to “justifying” the actions of your masters. I succeed in spite of TPTB.
I think the biggest problem with these loser minnies is that far too many of them went to college and they believe that the only thing they can do is what is written on their diploma. They never even try to step out of the box or their comfort zone before quitting. Attitude can drive success or failure.
If you hadn’t inherited your success, what would you be doing, leading a commune that encourages quitters?
Thanks Bea. I thought I’d heard of the Phoenix before reading that. My digging brought up that ZH article first.
We all know it’s coming. For the most part all we can do is play it by ear. I’m sure we all get fucked on scrip exchange day. I’d like to put a bunch of shekels into productive real estate but I want to wait until this bubble deflates a bit. I’m twice as nervous now because I’m also responsible for the money my father left in trust for my mother. Sitting out will erode wealth by inflation and getting in at bubble levels before they pop guarantees a loss.
Agreed, just because the office jobs arent worth doing doesnt mean you have to give up and play video games all day.
Personal development comes in many forms, and often can be done in an enjoyable way. Even if its learning to garden, building your own shed, or fixing your car, they may all come in handy some day. Not all wealth is tangible, and that which hold inside cant be taken from you.
No one needs a worker with no skills, experience or work ethic. These things must be taught.
Funny that you don’t mention the COST of going to college where a young man must PAY for the privilege of learning whatever it is that will eventually be required for future employment.
The difference between earning minimum wage while you learn and paying tens of thousands of dollars to learn is that at the end of a specific period one person is in debt and the other is not.
There are no guarantees in life, jobs are not entitlements, incomes are not assured by law, economic imbalances cannot be made equal through fiat. The missing ingredient in every one of these discussions is self-motivation and future time orientation.
But they’re going Galt on us,either directly or thru someone who is taking govt benes.
The FSA must be disbanded so that people will have to take any job,which will eventually help the economy.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/05/why-more-young-men-arent-working-video-games/
— “Working hours also dropped because there was less demand for work and, as the Pew Research Institute previously found, male workers fared worse during the Great Recession — accounting for 5.4 million (71 percent), of the 7.5 million jobs that disappeared from the U.S. economy from December 2007 through June 2009 But it’s historically unusual for younger men’s hours to decrease much more than older men’s. (The researchers did not analyze trends in women’s working hours in depth for this report.)”
— “But even taking regional differences into account, young men have shown “a preference shift” for computer and video games, he said, spending about five times as much time on that activity as the researchers would have predicted.
One reason: Once young men purchase the console and game, they can spend many additional hours playing it at no extra cost, unlike visiting a restaurant or movie theater, which costs money each time, he said.”
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Add in this… https://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2017/07/08/men-are-less-likely-to-get-hired-if-their-gender-is-known/
— “So as anyone in the real world knows, it is less likely, not more likely these days that a man will get hired if his gender is known. So instead of wondering why a man is less likely to get hired if people know his gender, this article on the topic states that even more discrimination against men is necessary to keep stop sexism against women (!).”
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And this: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/03/28/look-how-women-outnumber-men-college-campuses-nationwide/YROqwfCPSlKPtSMAzpWloK/story.html
— “It’s not a new phenomenon. Women have outnumbered men on college campuses in the US by a widening margin since the late 1970s, and the gap will continue to grow in coming years, according to some projections.”
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Then go back up to the New York Post article where it explains that college enrollment is considered “employment” and you see that the video games are a cost effective symptom of the actual disease… which is the continued shoving of males out of the universities and work force while also reminding them that they are the root of everyone else’s problems, over criminalizing interactions with women on campus and in the workplace, etc.
Why risk a SJW sexual harrassment claim, HR riding you out on a rail. Work is more dangerous as HR=SJW.
A big part of motivation is incentives.
What are the incentives for working hard for young men today?
Most women arent attractive or feminine. Porn is free. Housing is prohibitively expensive and out of reach, can be taken in a divorce anyway. Marriages can be destroyed on a whim. Children can be taken by a former spouse or the state.
Reminds me of the old adage about the man who built his house on rock rather than the beach.
Nah, this is bullshit. Pussy, houses, marriage…that all bullshit. An honest man doing honest work for an honest wage – this is the right true incentive. Men need to man up and be proud. If you honestly use the excuse that females aren’t hot/loyal enough for you to work hard, you a bitch-ass whiner
Nice try tho, blaming it on the chicks.
Did you notice your funny feelings for your mom before or after you hit puberty?
Cultural Marxism + Feminism has made women unworthy of pursuit. A legal system that plunders men after their wives cheat, steal and rob them blind does not make for a valid risk/reward curve. These men would work if they could be assured of a loving, loyal wife, as has worked in the past. However, women are lauded for riding the cock carousel, and given financial gains for deplorable actions. #MGTOW
I was going to make a comment, but you said it all better than I ever could. Don’t change one word, but I will add that after 41 years of marriage the fucking I got, wasn’t worth the fucking I was getting. thanks
Hondo: I’ve been married 46 years. But one is very lucky to be happily married for a long time.
I know where youre coming from, but theres no reason you have to stay in the west. There are many countries where women are feminine and attractive.
Ive been in a great relationship with a cute feminine selfless woman for over a year now, but I had to move hemispheres to do it. It takes some planning and work, but I think its worth it. I cant recall a time in my life where I’ve been happier, including my apathetic mgtow days.
At the very least, go for a couple weeks and get your feet wet. If you like it, look into online businesses and legal environments. Best of luck.
@Guy: They just want to marry you so they can then bring their family, and then dump you.
Dutchman
Amen, seen that happen more times than I can count. Marry one of those Asian girls and the next thing you know her family needs money constantly for some tragedy or they end up on your doorstep. Guy will find out.
Sure, you will find some who do. Especially if youre a fat 60 year old in flip flops dating a cute 18 year old from the ghetto.
But there are many good women out there. Ive dated some models, and women from families ranging from poor to millionaires. Not all of them were good, and it often takes a while to discern reality from appearance. Its also ridiculous to compare the women from Jakarta to Taiwan, for instance.
I think after all these years I have a pretty good understanding of the big picture. Ive heard the same stories you have, and can usually tell you where they went wrong based on their stories and where the woman is from.
I never said it was easy, but it might be worth it if youre willing to put in a bit of work and adventure. But by all means, give up before you start and wank your life away if you prefer.
You are being taken for a RIDE!!!!
You dumb weak fucks, crying about the feminsists and how bad they are for men, just don’t fucking get it. You would rather be manipulated by a “selfless, feminine” woman than man up and engage a female who is your equal, cause you’re fucking pussies.
Let’s see… A = A… and B = A…
So a man who likes a woman = man means man likes a man. Or if you are a woman, then you like men who like men. Or perhaps you’re a man who = woman… which means you’re a woman who likes women with dicks.
Either way, when did you realize you were gay?
Ur math…it’s bad.
Giiiiirlll!!!!
Don’chu know it’s racist to call Sumerian math bad? Mmmm you in truuuuble.
Burn it down.
Real men don’t work for pussy…Real men work cause that’s what real men do ya dumb fuck.
— “Real men don’t work for pussy…”
I have no disagreement with this right here.
Gotta head out for the night but wanted to say thanks for stopping by these parts.
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They say 6 million jobs are wanting for employees, but are they really? Where I live I constantly see the SAME businesses looking for workers online, I have to wonder if they’re really looking or just collecting applications. None of these people offers what I would call a good wage, or benefits, most want you to have your own car and do some delivery driving for them (even the library!), many of the jobs aren’t even full time. And NONE of them wants to train anyone in any way. They all specify you MUST have X years of experience.
My sarc reply to the article, “nice work if you can get it”
My reply to the several comments discussing men and women in college, “where’s Title IX when we need it?”
In order to really get ahead these days is to claim victim status and there ya go. You’ll get your own laws forcing people to hire you and make it difficult to fire you.
Human Resources departments are helping destroy the economy. They are the bean counters writing most of the help wanted ads. The problem is the people writing the ads are not people who can actually do the jobs. So, they hire based on certificates, permits, licenses and many other restrictive policies that prevent them from finding the most talented people. They also tend to make the qualifications overly narrow and want someone overqualified for the position (hence the idiocy of 10 years experience needed for some jobs that a smart person could learn as they go along, like people did in the old days). There are so many drags on economic production we could all write for days.
Lastly, another thing I see is schools indoctrinating kids into socialism or communism. Entrepreneurial spirit? 99.9% of teachers wouldn’t know it if it bit them in the ass. Like I always have to explain, those systems can only work, for awhile, if there’s a vibrant capitalist system to plunder/tax 1st. Otherwise, where will U get the money? They run out of other people’s money, then collapse. As people moved left, what made the USA great was forgotten. Men have been forgotten and are being treated as superfluous. Women don’t get that they will be too as automation grinds them up too. A population of idle males is dangerous AKA see the middle east.
But, as we see with Bernie Sanders’ popularity, stupid ideologies (like socialism and feminism) die harder than John McClane. Yippie kaiyay mother fuckers.
Fact the job market sucks for the majority of average people . Shitty pay shitty hours and no future and most young people today know it . Most have also witnessed older family members with 25 or 30 years have pensions bankrupted out from under them or receiving a fraction of what was promised unless they had a government job . These people are not lazy or stupid , they see the rigged game and choose not to play !
As a 68 yr old software developer, I recently had a birthday. I said to one of the owners: “I’m 68 today”. He said: “You’re not going to retire are you?”, with sort of a desperate tone. One of the nicest compliments I’ve ever gotten.
Most of these young guys just don’t meet the muster.
Imagine you have an outstanding herding dog. You breed it. You then keep the children in a small box, you sedate them, you teach them that they should be ashamed of who they are.
You do this until they reach adulthood and then you drop them in the field.
Are they going to meet the muster of their parent?
At 68 you might have a very hard time understanding how your generation and my generation raised and taught them. Males in the millennial group are overwhelmingly prescribed medication from a very early age and are prevented from learning masculine skills, confidence based on merit, etc. They are being taught to step to the side for others, to be deferential to their inferiors, and they are actively and openly punished if they don’t.
The only reason Generation Z is showing some signs of life is because they grew up with people like me and the whole host of chans, redpill, MRA, orbit of websites re-teaching the knowledge that people your age took for granted… people my age were lied to about… and people of millennial age were conditioned from birth to believe the complete opposite of.
It’s the same process that is resulting in so many tatted up women putting off getting married and having kids until their 30s and finding themselves in a panic. They had the red carpet rolled out for them at the expense of their male peers… by Boomer leadership and GenX parents… and now they are finding that carpet leads to wreckage and a lack of men able to make them feel anything.
Yeah, they don’t cut the muster because in aggregate they were punished if they tried. We can’t keep pointing to the portion that will rise in *any* situation as evidence that “nothing is wrong with how they were raised”… the entire point of a culture is to provide adequate infrastructure and guidance to the average so that they are raised to be better than they would be if left to their own devices or as millennial people got… outright deceived.
Human genetics didn’t change in the course of 2 generations, these kids would have been like you if they had been raised in your environment, and you or at least your peers, would be *just like them* if you had been raised in their environment.
I wrote software for many years, then “evolved” into IT Director and CIO for a small firm. I hired my replacement 3 years in advance of retirement so the fellow could learn the vernacular.
I retired in December. Two weeks ago I had my first chance to stop by the old stomping grounds (I moved 200 miles away). I had been affiliated with the company first as a consultant and later as en employee since 1983. When I met with a young (35) friend and colleague she said that she and her cohorts wished I was still working.
That and $2.50 will get me a cup of cofee (tax included) at the local diner.
Context for my above posts: I’m a genX in Tech/Software and am also disappointed in the majority of applicants but I’ve been paying close attention to what has gone into their development.
I’ve managed to work with a handful through the years one on one and so long as they aren’t ruined by medication dulling their mind they *can* be reformed. However I have to run interference as their mentor/manager as they go through the motions of re-learning how to think for themselves (and all the mistakes that come with teaching a 20 something that way of operating for the first time).
When I get one who I can’t invest in personally alone long enough my primary advice is for them to find someone older that seems to “not give a shit” yet clearly knows what they are doing and bend over backwards for the opportunity to learn from them.
why bother, wont be allowed to prosper unless your willing to work 80 hours a week, then hand over 40%, all the while competing against illegal labor
don’t blame the individual when society has decreed the circumstance
I insist that my 16 year old son have a job. When I was in high school most of the kids had jobs. My son is one of the very few that does from his school. Sad. He only make 8 bucks an hour, but the water park put him through life guard certification with pay. There is plenty of work to be had for teens to work. My son’s first job at the park in the morning is to test all the water slides, and then check out females in bathing suits all day. Sweet gig.
From the article…
—- “Men ages 21 to 30 years old worked 12 percent fewer hours in 2015 than they did in 2000, the economists found. Around 15 percent of young men worked zero weeks in 2015, a rate nearly double that of 2000.”
It’s a combination of underemployment and unemployment… and is referring to adults… not teen summer jobs.
Note the time frame. The number who worked zero weeks (as opposed to have jobs, just not as many hours as they used to have) doubled since 2000.
2000 was at the peak of a bubble and a peak of economic enthusiasm. Since then we’ve had two huge financial crunches combined with 20 years of Women and Minorities first hiring practices.
Especially once you get past the manual labor level of work which while fine (but limited and competing with illegals)… there is an ever decreasing number of spots to rise up through.
Also from the article…
— “Since 2004, young men have increasingly allocated more of their free time to playing video games and other computer-related activities, according to the study. Thirty-five percent of young men are living at home with their parents or a close relative, up 12 percent since 2000.”
So since the highest economic peak any of those men have known in their lives, after two major market crunches, 20 years of women and minorities first… 12 percent more are living with parents/relatives. Living with those people is rational if you are underemployed and it is no surprise that this would happen
Second, they have opted to *change* how they spend their free time to something that is more cost effective per dollar spent compared to other free time available.
They are still trying to make rational decisions (cheaper living situation, cheaper hobby) and STILL getting shit on.
I’ve got mine, and am doing very very well… but it would be irresponsible to then look at the terrain and assume there isn’t something wrong with the hand they are being dealt. Even when they do play their cards fairly reasonably there is a contingent of women and older people ready to shriek at them.
Generation Z however is so numb to the shrieking that it doesn’t work anymore which is why there is still hope. The subset of the millennials who said “fuck it” are also worth giving credit to. Those of you older folks who are enjoying the return to America First… Fuck Liberals culture shift have those kids to thank more than anyone your own age. Since they stopped having anything to lose, had a lot of free time due to underemployment… they spent time in gaming communities (the chans, online communities, etc) forming friends and having discussions about stuff that you can’t talk about on the job.
It’s their memes that broke the overton window because they had no reason to be afraid of losing their jobs.
Like or hate Trump… the movement that has buttressed the culture shift has come primarily from underemployed young men with little to lose changing the narrative.
All these idlers really need boot camp. Not the simple-minded physical fitness craze, but REAL boot camp, along with Survival School and Urban Combat training. The time will come when it all falls down; the Crunch (currency failure, and I doubt the Phoenix is any solution), grid failure, starvation and rioting, a long hard drudge back to reality with fewer comforts and conveniences when you get there. How long do you think the basement video gamers are going to last?
Toughen up; you are going to need it, along with all the survival skills you can gather during the remaining time of ease and comfort.
— “All these idlers really need boot camp. Not the simple-minded physical fitness craze, but REAL boot camp, along with Survival School and Urban Combat training.”
*thumbs up*
Much of what makes a man a man was stuff that used to just be normal part of life, but unfortunately urban feminine standards have overtaken male development and it’s going to cost us dearly. Even those who (mostly) managed to slip out from under the Vagina of Sauron.
Henry Ford “got it right” when he CREATED a market for his cars by making them inexpensive while paying his workforce a decent wage. He realized that a well-paid workforce would be able to buy his products, among other things. It could be safely argued that Ford, CREATED the middle class. Automobiles, once “playthings for the rich” were made affordable for the “ordinary common man”.
Henry Ford KNEW who the banksters and vulture capitalists were and made no bones about calling them out and naming them, Father Charles Coughlin did the same thing and was ostracized by the Catholic Church for pointing out the TRUTH about our vulture capitalist society.
“Vulture capitalism” can be defined as the owners of businesses and industries that collude with each other, also in collusion with the “money types” (banksters) depressing wages solely to increase their stockholder “profits” at the top while impoverishing those who actually WORK, producing their products.
All one has to do is look at today’s CEOs, even in failing companies, being paid exorbitant salaries, along with stock options and other “perks” while pleading poverty, pushing down wages for their employees.
Today’s capitalist “mantra” is that labor costs must be as cheap as possible while the “value” (profit) to the stockholder must be as great as possible. Sacrificing labor on the altar of “maximum profits” NEVER works in the long term.
Of course, in the short term, with cheap Chinese goods flooding the market, the economy looks, good, but without CONSUMERS who hold jobs that pay reasonably well, all bets are off. There needs to be a balance between profits and labor.
Presently, labor is looked upon as a “necessary evil” to be minimized at all costs. The problem arises-without labor there are no consumers. As I previously stated, a “balance” must be maintained. Labor is not evil, but a necessary component of capitalism.
Pre-WW2 Germany’s economic successes and the rapid rise of the German economy was predicated on labor being assigned “value”and monetized-something that is (and has been) missing in capitalist societies today.
If labor costs need to be trimmed to assure “profit”, something is seriously wrong. In fact, in the well-paid American automobile industry, labor costs account only for approximately 10% of total costs.
Offshoring production results in consumers (customers) being “lost”.
As to “tariffs”, the American country ran on tariffs from its inception until 1913, when the “income tax” and “federal reserve” was established.
The American economy is being propped up by the “social safety net” which obscures the TRUE economic situation in the U S .