25 Years Ago Today the Federal Govt Changed its Rules to Launch a Sniper Attack on Off-Grid Family

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Randall and Vicki Weaver and their children wanted nothing more than to be left to live an isolated life in peace in their cabin enclave on a northern Idaho mountaintop called Ruby Ridge. Untrusting of the federal government and of the belief society had taken an insurmountable turn for the worse, the Weavers — as many residents in the remote and breathtaking area — taught their children to be self-sufficient and defend themselves with firearms from unwanted intrusions onto the family’s property.

But the Weaver’s seemingly idyllic life came to an appallingly violent end over several hours from August 21 to 22, 1992, in a horrendously botched federal raid that would also profoundly alter perceptions about the U.S. government in the minds of even ordinary Americans.

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Often afterward reported to be white supremacists, the Weavers considered themselves race “separatists” only — and intended no harm against others beyond that belief — though their stance often included the company of people with a more vehement ideology.

Regardless of the Weavers’ beliefs, the account of what federal agents perpetrated against the family under the premise of affecting law enforcement action implores Americans of every race to consider the telling outcome of untrammeled government power run amok.

In 1989, Randall “Randy” Weaver came under the scrutiny of federal agents intent on infiltrating sometimes-violent white supremacist organizations like the Aryan Nations — and eventually wound up charged for selling two illegal sawed-off shotguns to an undercover agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms [now, also, explosives] (ATF).

Weaver, notably, claimed he had been set up — thus flatly refusing the government’s offer to drop the charges if he would turn informant, feeding the feds information about various Aryan Nations members — and was indicted in December the following year.

Though Weaver’s insistence about the set-up leaves his failure to show up for a scheduled court date in February 1991 an altogether open question, a clerical error marking that court date for March didn’t prevent authorities from issuing a warrant for his arrest.

Knowing the Weavers possessed a relative arsenal — which Randall, Vicki, and their children were well-trained how to use — agents weren’t entirely sure how to carry out the warrant and so began intense surveillance of the family’s mountain home while carefully formulating a plan of action.

During this period, Vicki reportedly penned several darkly but vaguely threatening letters to federal agents, containing phrases such as “the tyrant’s blood will flow.”

Considering the family originally relocated to their outpost over mistrust of the government coupled with Randall’s claims concerning the charges which ultimately generated the warrant, Vicki’s language is understandable.

Remember, whatever narrative about dangerous white separatists federal officials proffered about the Weaver family, Randall had only sold — under questionable circumstances — two sawed-off shotguns to a federal agent, and his failure to appear in court, for all intents and purposes, was the fault of the court clerk’s ultimately egregious error.

All in all, an isolationist family on a remote mountain hardly posed an imminent threat to anyone.

Nonetheless, federal marshals set in motion a plan in August 1992 that would send shockwaves across the country and around the world for its deadly ineptitude and wholly disproportionate use of force.

On August 21, marshals surprised Randall, his 14-year-old son Sammy, friend of the family Kevin Harrison, and the Weaver’s family dog, Striker, on a road near the family’s property. Though some of what happened next remains a matter of conjecture, the events mark a disturbing turn in the use of force for the purposes of an otherwise relatively innocuous warrant.

fully camouflage-clad marshal shot and killed Striker — prompting Sammy to return fire at the group of marshals. Shots then rang out from both sides — in the end, both Sammy and U.S. Marshal Michael Degan lay dead. After the brief gun battle, Weaver and Harrison retreated to Ruby Ridge and marshals regrouped, bringing in FBI agents and setting up a sniper to watch movements on the property.

One of the most contentious aspects of following events concerned an abhorrently arbitrary relaxing of the FBI’s rules of engagement to handle the case.

Larry Potts headed the FBI’s criminal division and oversaw the deployment of the agency’s Hostage Rescue Team to break the standoff at Ruby Ridge — but in doing so, loosely nullified longstanding rules of engagement preventing agents from firing in anything other than self-defense. In doing so, Potts created a monstrously rogue agency capable of firing at will — and the results were expectedly disastrous.

Agents were ordered to shoot any armed man on sight — on the Weaver’s private property — and when Randall appeared with a weapon alongside his 16-year-old daughter Sara and Harris, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi opened fire, hitting Weaver in the arm.

Weaver, Harris, and Sara sprinted back to the safety of the cabin, but another shot from Horiuchi hit Vicki in the head, killing her as she clutched the couple’s 10-month-old daughter in her arms — but the bullet passed through her and also wounded Harris.

An incredibly tense 11-day standoff ensued, as the terrified survivors holed up in the Ruby Ridge home, but ended when mediators convinced Randall to turn himself in.

Horiuchi later claimed he had not been aware Vicki stood in the doorway when he fired the fatal shot. Though he was charged in 1997 with involuntary manslaughter for the killing of Vicki Weaver, a federal judge dismissed the charges the following year under the controversial alleged immunity of federal officers from state prosecution.

In 2001, a federal appeals court overruled that claim to immunity, stating federal officials who violate the U.S. Constitution can, indeed, be held accountable at the state level — but the Idaho prosecutor never pursued the manslaughter charge.

Randall and Harris both faced murder charges for the death of the federal marshall — but in a surprising move by an Idaho jury, all charges against them were dropped, save the original failure to appear charge against Weaver that generated the fateful warrant.

Surviving members of the Weaver family filed a wrongful death lawsuit, and in 1995, the patriarch received $100,000 and three of his daughters, $1 million each.

To this day, the grievous abuse of power fuels doubt in segments of the public about federal agencies’ ability to restrain itself in the use of unnecessary force disproportionate to putative threats.

Though the enormity of consequences of Ruby Ridge certainly echoed far into the future, the events have unfortunately sometimes been clouded by the Weaver family’s controversial ideologies. But those beliefs — as the families of countless other victims of a growing epidemic of state violence can attest — are of little consequence when the government acts with reckless impunity against a wide range of people from grossly different backgrounds.

Agents participating in and overseeing the siege of Ruby Ridge forced a sweeping internal investigation and concurrent reevaluation of policy — particularly due to the removal of imperative rules of engagement meant to protect civilians from the exact massacre that took place there.

And as is widely known, when the government receives the green light to abandon strictures protecting the public one time, it’s virtually guaranteed to happen again. As testament to this, the deadly and terroristic siege in Waco, Texas, by federal agents occurred shortly after the incident at Ruby Ridge.

On the 20th anniversary of her mother’s and brother’s murder by agents of the government, Sara Weaver poignantly recalled the harrowing details of her experience in an interview with the Associated Press — though she noted her father refuses to do the same. Losing her mother, who was indeed unarmed when she was killed, has been the most difficult aspect for Sara to come to terms with.

“We miss her terribly,” Sara lamented. “It never goes away.”

Despite the unprecedented mishandling, the payout to the surviving Weaver family, and the sh*tstorm of debate and controversy ensuing from the incident at Ruby Ridge, the government has never fully admitted any wrongdoing in the case.

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nkit
nkit
August 21, 2017 3:43 pm

I get pissed off every time this gets brought up. I always question how some one like Lon Horiuchi can justify his action in this incident and not have it bother him every day thereafter. How does he convince himself that what he did was necessary and just? There was, in my mind, no justification whatsoever for shooting an unarmed lady in the head while she was clutching her 10 month old baby. Yeah, I know, a U.S. Marshal was killed, but that was a result of the government’s bungled operation.

Hondo
Hondo
  nkit
August 21, 2017 10:33 pm

Let me play devil’s advocate for a moment. What if, when Striker the dog was killed, the teenage Weaver had put down his weapon and raised his hands? He probably could have saved his life and the life of his mother. I am not arguing who is right or wrong, just saying, ok. Also I have known folks in Arkansas, Idaho, and a few other places that have convinced themselves that they are the only legal inhabitants on the planet and all others are expendable. thanks

nkit
nkit
  Hondo
August 21, 2017 10:56 pm

If you were Sammy, would you throw down your weapon when your best dog got killed? RIP Striker

Hondo
Hondo
  nkit
August 22, 2017 10:58 pm

I sure as hell would not have been firing at a federal agent. thanks

MuckAbout
MuckAbout
August 21, 2017 4:16 pm

There were better ways to solve this standoff than wth weapons.

Emotions and iron hard beliefs got in the way and people died.

May it never happen again.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  MuckAbout
August 21, 2017 11:57 pm

Better to let some fucktard federal employee with a we the fucking people attitude lie cheat extort and ruin your life liberty and property and family or fight back and let those Feds know they will win but it’s gonna cost them a great deal maybe their life . Once you enter the system the prosecutor piles on charge after charge . Real justice for all in America is a pipe dream now . Remember law enforcement can and will lie to put you on the defensive . There is no presumption of innocence because the only jury you end up with is a group of people typically to stupid to find an excuse to get out of it !

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
August 21, 2017 4:45 pm

They needed an excuse, and manufactured one.
“Sting” operations (the government violating the law in order to trap someone into violating the law) should be an automatic dismissal of all charges for any event occurring within 90 days of the sting involving that person(s) “stung”.
Janet Reno was never charged with murder, nor Eric Holder, nor anyone else who was in charge of this violation.
May they never find peace, in this world or the next, for what they have done.

nkit
nkit
  james the deplorable wanderer
August 21, 2017 4:57 pm

Amen to that, JTW.

MN Steel
MN Steel
  james the deplorable wanderer
August 21, 2017 8:08 pm

Remember, this was under King George I.

Waco was under Clinton/Reno command, but was practiced for almost a year beforehand, under King George I.

Pray Hard
Pray Hard
August 21, 2017 5:12 pm

“in a horrendously botched federal raid”

Is there some other sort of federal raid?

MN Steel
MN Steel
  Pray Hard
August 21, 2017 8:14 pm

Only one where nobody is armed and/or defends themselves, there are no dogs, there are no loud noises, and the subjects already killed themselves like the Heaven’s Gaters.

dawolf
dawolf
August 21, 2017 5:23 pm

I still have no idea why more Americans were not outraged at the murder of a mother holding her baby. It is no small measure of satisfaction to know that her murderer will someday face a punishment far worse than a human jury could ever have handed him.
RIP, Vicki Weaver.

monger
monger
August 21, 2017 5:45 pm

Between that and Waco, I had to take a real hard look at the government, looking back further I noticed a trend, goverment kills people, usually there own… it was the first real wake up call in my life as to what the will of the people really means….

BB
BB
August 21, 2017 5:59 pm

” Knowing the Weavers possessed a relative arsenal ” is the justification for this abuse of power.

” Agents ordered to shoot armed men on sight ” damn.No wonder this happened.Just think what might happen if the government ever declares martial law.

ottomatik
ottomatik
August 21, 2017 7:00 pm

The shotguns were legal hunting guns that the ATF agent sawed off himself in “the presence” of Randy, and then gave the money.
It is so common now to not be of note, that is, goverment agents breaking the law.
Wait till the commies really get going, law will be an absurdity.
Jungle rules.

MN Steel
MN Steel
  ottomatik
August 22, 2017 1:44 am

Barrel length was fine on the shotguns.

What made the problem was 3/8ths of an inch of wood the BATFaggots sawed off the stock, making the overall length too short.

That, and not filing for a $5 tax stamp for each “Short Barrelled Shotgun”.

Upheld by the Supreme Court because a peckerwood named Miller had a lawyer too lazy to file a brief back in the ’30s.

Thank you NFA ’34, GCA ’68, FOPA ’86, and to the NRA who supported them all. Many, many lives have been ended or ruined based on them.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  MN Steel
August 22, 2017 8:27 am

not only that mn,the govt lied in the miller case when they stated that short barrel shotguns had no military application-they were used in the trenches in ww1,and though rarely used,were and probably still are in our military’s arsenal–

ASIG
ASIG
August 21, 2017 7:44 pm

The government went out of its way to entrap a man and his family who are living out in the middle of nowhere and no threat to anyone. And today there are Muslim terrorist camps throughout the country that are known to the FBI and the FBI does nothing.

Brian
Brian
August 21, 2017 9:16 pm

It damn near happened again with the Bundy ranch, but the publicity and spotlight probably kept the itchy trigger fingers off the triggers.

Pushing their luck they setoff the stupidly thought out Malheur standoff. Unfortunately for Mr. Finicum they got into an isolated area where the raptors killed him. However the governments narrative was foiled again when passengers recorded the hail of gunfire from the “authorities”.

It is quite clear that most appendages of government are rogue and not working for the benefit of the people but for the benefit of themselves or their funding mechanisms.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
August 21, 2017 9:39 pm

As I recall the sawed off shotguns were a request of federal agents in a process to encourage Randall Weaver to cooperate infiltrating the Aryian group or gang since he (Weaver) had knowledge or was known to some members . Weaver did not wish to be involved but sawed the guns of for the agents then the agents busted him for it in an attempt to force his hand . Weaver being a former Green Beret his mistake was talking to federal agents at all .
Now we all should have the fear of God in us to ever talk to our local cops about anything and never ever answer any questions without a lawyer present . Far to many law enforcement people in every department Federal State and Local cannot be trusted with a thimble full of authority and your only real protection from an overzealous cop is to keep your mouth shut !
Since Ruby Ridge and Waco I do not believe things have improved in protecting citizens from law enforcement .
Remember law enforcement has no duty or mandate to protect you at all , another bullshit lie our government and MSM push and far to many people believe it . Pity the good cops because it’s impossible most of the time for them to turn on a bad cop until its to late !

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit
  Boat Guy
August 22, 2017 1:33 am

“the sawed off shotguns were a request of federal agents”, It was actually an undercover infomant for ATF, not an agent. When this infomant was later compromised, ATF agents approached Randy. They hoped to flip him into cooperating against Aryan Nations. This is the point where Randy knew he was talking to law enforcement and this is when he should have retained counsel and refused to talk. If he had, the whole ugly scene may have been avoided.

RCW
RCW
August 21, 2017 10:39 pm

Upon contact with any/all law enforcement at the federal, state, county and/or town level, I have only utter three phrases w/o my mouthpiece present:

– yes sir/ma’me
– no sir/ma’me
– am I free to go?

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  RCW
August 22, 2017 12:07 am

Absolutely RCW contrary to popular belief law enforcement personal are not your friendly neighborhood cop here to help you anymore . Asset forfeiture and fines for the legislatures over spending is what it is all about now as for you Mr and Mrs America FUCK YOU !

Captain America
Captain America
August 21, 2017 11:20 pm

One of the hazards of living a long, fulfilled life, is that all the early illusions, indoctrinations and depredations of State, Religion, Love, Academia, Media and medicine are stripped bare. You learn your early “patriotism” was a series of appeals to testosterone, with visions of returning home a one legged fucking machine, mounted by blonds and those waving great jobs due to your “service to the nation.” When instead, you made some filthy Jewish bankers a bit more lucre, insured your nation was deeper in debt, and your women really did not care, just Google “War Brides” for further insights. They will fuck and support the winner, via a sick combination of biological imperatives, and the inability to create anything of any substance or worth (except, apparently for Kevlar, although the women who invented it likely stole it from some chemist/engineer she was shotooping).

I no longer have as many years as I once had, but Nihilism and a violent sense of apathy have set in. Living in Northern Kalifornia, have the grim sense the nation’s leftist love is actually less corrosive than the fact that I can go all day without hearing English spoken.

My 645 HP German Steed was stolen two weeks ago, and since I have commuted via bicycle and Uber/Lyft. Almost every driver is a Hillary supporter named Achmed, and they are so certain i too am a Leftist, they all proclaim it to me. One Uber driver told me Uber is failing in the Silicon Valley, because they are run by “Nazis.”

Today, I was driven by an educated Sudanese man. He recalled being a 12 year old soldier, saved by Bill Clinton, who told his fractured nation’s Commander in Chief they would no longer send them bribes (err, community development) funds if they kept child soldiers. He was a nice enough chap, until we got in to politics and he told me Trump was hated because within 50 years whites will be the slaves. I hope he enjoyed his zero star review, and no tip. Another white Portlandian looking cocksucker told me that “we whites are fucking animals, and I deserve to die for what my ancestors did.”

I’m rambling. We are lost my brethren. My white, conservative, respectful, god fearing, erudite friends. I could spend all day exploring the antecedents, groups, immigration, taxation, amendments that caused this precipitous decline. We can talk about fluorides, vaccines from the Rockefeller inspired allopathic medicine sorts, or any number of dark agendas. But, there is no time left to talk. Antifa and BLM do not decry our loss of rights. Our slutty women do not care if they have to suck ever larger and thicker, melanin rich phalluses. Only we gnarled, battle hardened, grisled white men-folk remain. And, given our individual ruggedness, we are not prone to forming groups. So, while it would be illegal for me to encourage each of you to go off and kill 25 Libtards and their handlers at random, I think it is still legal for me to disclose that if you did, I would be tumescent for months. King Prius Americanis.

Brian
Brian
  Captain America
August 22, 2017 12:20 pm

I really enjoyed reading that. Please ramble on all you want!

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
August 22, 2017 12:07 am

Lon Horiuchi got a 2nd chance at Waco to kill a few more folks .

My new 5r rifle is due in. Next I’ll be working on a 1000 yard shot. Maybe Lon’s picture will be on the plate .

covfefe
covfefe
August 22, 2017 9:06 am

I notice the Federal agent that shot the INFANT FROM ARMS of mother has been removed.That was the most disgusting act of cowardliness and murder .I remember him crying before congress saying it was an accident.He will go to hell for that and all involved in murder-this is how it is written up now l Bureau Of Investigation
FBI Sniper Is Charged in Ruby Ridge Killing
August 22, 1997|RONALD J. OSTROW | TIMES STAFF WRITER
WASHINGTON — An Idaho county prosecutor Thursday charged FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi with involuntary manslaughter for killing the wife of anti-government activist Randy Weaver in a 1992 standoff at Ruby Ridge, Idaho.

A charge of first-degree murder was lodged against Weaver family friend Kevin Harris in the death of Deputy U.S. Marshal William Degan, who was killed as a team of marshals was checking out the remote Weaver cabin site in an attempt to apprehend Randy Weaver on federal gun charges.

The state charges, brought by Boundary County prosecutor Denise Woodbury, followed federal decisions last week not to prosecute Horiuchi on civil rights charges in the death of Vicki Weaver.

In 1993, a federal court acquitted Harris and Randy Weaver of murder, conspiracy and other charges related to Degan’s death, while convicting Weaver of firearms charges.

FBI Director Louis J. Freeh said he was “deeply disappointed” by the decision to file local charges against the 13-year FBI veteran. He noted that Horiuchi had been confronted with a split-second decision in firing the shot that killed Vicki Weaver, and said the Justice Department will continue to pay for Horiuchi’s legal defense.

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 22, 2017 10:03 am

I notice that “Big Dick” has the classic love the government response.

ragman
ragman
August 22, 2017 10:39 am

Capt: get outta Kali and come down South where folks like you are welcome. All is not lost,at least not yet.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
August 22, 2017 12:34 pm

The rules didn’t change and the government didn’t change. This is what government ALWAYS IS – VIOLENCE. The only difference is that the curtain was pulled back a little, the alternative media had a great ability to share the truth, and people were finally waking up a bit to the TRUE nature of their government. Bush was the former head of the CIA, the key guy behind the Iran Contra scandal and the massive importation of cocaine into the US that fueled the crack epidemic of the late 80s and early 90s. He was the perfect guy to head the most violent organized crime syndicate in the world – the US government.

Das Arschloch
Das Arschloch
August 22, 2017 4:59 pm

So this Weaver guy had contact to supremacists? Which type of supremacism did they practice? The benign supremacism practised by mediocre people or the more virulent strain practiced by superior people?

Lester
Lester
September 14, 2017 12:39 pm

It maybe informative to all concerned here to read up Sr.Hugo Salinas Price on The Military Mind. Also how that four-letter word “gold” keeps showing up throughout in history, past and current.