Guest Post by The Zman
That’s a question the TRS guys were debating the other day. It comes up a lot, mostly because the leading lights in dissident politics are not religious. Some appear to be outright atheists, even if they don’t make a big deal out of it. Of the old guys, I can’t think of any who are Evangelical. Most were Protestants, but have long ago drifted from their churches. I don’t think any of the next generation are religious. Some grew up going to church, but abandoned it as soon as they left home.
The thing with the Gen X and Millennial leaders of the alt-right is most of them are disinterested in religion and its role in human society. It’s not something that occupies space in their mental framework. Just because the leadership and intellectual elements of the alt-right are non-religious, it does not necessarily follow that the alt-right is hostile to the religious. They spent their youth marinating in Progressive dogma and as a result, they see culture through a secular lens, rather than a spiritual one.
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There’s a lot more to this so there will be many more posts on the topic, but a good point of entry is the simple question at the start of the post. The alt-right makes race the primary identity. Christians, and I’m thinking primarily of non-denominational Christians, place their relationship with Jesus Christ as their primary identity. That’s an obvious conflict, as nothing in Scripture backs the primary arguments of the alt-right. Even the most expansive reading of Scripture cannot arrive at a pro-white position.
There’s also the fact that many Christians are fanatical supporters of Israel. They have incorporated unconditional support for the state of Israel with their Christian identity. That often extends to Jews in the United states. For many Christians, antisemitism is the worst sin imaginable. That’s an obvious problem with the alt-right. Then there is the egalitarianism that many Christians have internalized as part of their relationship with Jesus Christ. They believe they are called to treat all men as children of God.
None of this is necessarily a deal breaker for Christians and the alt-right, but it creates some rather obvious complications. What it means is the alt-right is going to have to get better at understanding how to talk to and appeal to this type of Christian. Simply making the pro-white argument is not going to have much appeal to people who root their identity in something that transcends race. The alt-right, if it is going to make inroads into the Christian community, is going to have figure out how to engage these folks on their terms.
What about Patriotism?
Strangely, the alt-right may have an easier time engaging with Christians, than the hard core Civic Nationalists. Christians have been oppressed in American for generations and they have learned the hard way that they cannot vote themselves to freedom. That’s not the case with Civic Nationalists. The narcotic of patriotism keeps them forever optimistic that one more election and the nation will return to the 1950’s, except with a lot more brown people, who magically embrace white middle-class sensibilities.
As with Christians, the folks listening to Glenn Beck or Ben Shapiro, as they drive around suburbia, root their identity in something that transcends race and ethnicity. Civic nationalism is a religion and a primary identity. They are Americans, no hyphen. More important, these people look at things like taxes and regulation as primary markers of fidelity to their civic religion. To them, guys like Richard Spencer sound like communists, because he doesn’t seem to care all that much about tax cuts or regulatory reform.
The thing is, the patriotic normie is sure he is working from facts and reason when investing all of his energy into the current political arrangements. In reality, gentry conservatism and libertarianism are a different implementation of the Progressive moral frame work. The ends are different, but the assumptions are the same. You don’t talk people out of their moral sensibilities with facts and reason. In order to sway patriotic normies, the alt-right is going to have to appeal to them in moral terms.
Most of the alt-right seems to think this is a self-resolving problem. Mass immigration and the war on white people will beat the patriotism out of these people. They will inevitably come to accept identity politics. Maybe, but it would be preferable to win over these people before America becomes Brazil. At that point it may not matter. The alt-right is going to have to think about how to offer something to these folks that rivals the narcotic power of flag waving patriotism. That means constructive engagement, rather than mockery.
These are just two facets to a very big topic. Racial politics in America has always been about the two sides of white America debating how to best deal with the blacks. That’s made identity politics two dimensional. In order to move past that, it means creating an alternative moral framework. That cannot be conjured from thin air. It must happen in relation to and in reaction to the current claims on the identity of whites. The alt-right will have to be reconciled with religion and patriotism, or it will fail.
“After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, people and tribe, standing before the throne…”
Revelation 7:9
Some of the Alt Right have a problem with that, so they’d rather give up their religion, despite its being the historical religion of Europe.
‘After it’s / his / their kind.’
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Historical religion of Europe? Are you talking about Odinism?, Asatru? Druidism? etc … Christianity was of Middle Eastern origin as a sect of Judaism.
Dance Macabre Group
Breitbart.com was conceived in Israel, just as the “Tea Party” was co-opted by the neocons to serve Israeli interests. Fuckin’ Sarah Palin (Bill Kristol’s frankenstein monster) used to go around wearing an Israeli Flag lapel pin when she was running for VP. To me, the “Alt-Right” is indistinguishable from Christian Zionism, whether its followers understand that or not.
Lots of Ignorance here, that is why I feel so comfortable among you all.
I am Christian first and an American second.
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html
Christian FIRST, eh?
And here I thought only mooslims were traitors.
If you are Christian you put no other gods ahead of God.
That includes the gods of government and nation.
‘Christians have been oppressed in American for generations ”
Really??
Sigh. I wonder who HAS NOT been oppressed in America at one time or another. I am weary of keeping track of such horrors.
The best thing about the alt-right is that it rejects Conservatism and then Liberalism .
Essentially, it rejects the Establishment in all its various and manifest forms.
I doubt we will emerge from this 4th turning as one nation; nor as a majority-brown&black nation. The coming bloodbaths, whether driven by ethnic cleansing, starvation or Federal oppression, will come down hard on everyone; the ones who survive will be those who can adapt, overcome scarcity and come together with like-minded companions the fastest. Do you see blacks as coming together fastest, adapting fastest, overcoming scarcity fastest? Or Hispanics (although an order of magnitude better at it than blacks in general)? There will be individuals of all races who survive, according to circumstances and aptitude; but the majority of all participants will die, as the bills for a century of excess come due. Preparation will be a HUGE factor; are they down with setting aside supplies of freeze-dried food in the hood? How about the barrio (although rice and beans might work for some).
We will not come out of this the way we are, nor the way we were; and those who think they can control chaos are in for a bad, permanent surprise.
Lot of overthought and overwraught semantics in this one. Where do I start? I think most Protestant Americans may not be church going any longer, due to the degradation of the moral aspect of organized churches, but they are not hostile to Christianity and live their lives pretty much according to the basic principles of it. The alt right would be just fine using race as an issue, but only as a counterpunch. And the Jew bashing and the Hitler bullshit is never going anywhere. Want to ensure your cause fails? Keep peppering your articles with Jew bashing and Nazi stuff. The JQ is a bunch of fucking nonsense. You’re on the losing side if you even use that. Egalitarianism does not have to be a suicide pact. Z-man, you would be wise to never utter Richard Spencer’s name again. He is obviously a gay man, and his politics are basically Bernie Bot that hates blacks and Jews. Another zero. Basically a fraud. Libertarianism is dead. Bought, sold and corrupted, and might I add quite cheaply. You have a leader already. Trump. He’s not going to ooze into the cracks that the so-called alt right prefers. But he’s got the big ticket shit pretty well handled. So it’s time for anybody who identifies himself as alt right to start looking at the bigger picture and become part of the solution instead of wallowing around as part of the problem. Want to lead? Here’s your big chance. There is no way to political power as a fringe movement. We have a majority movement happening right now. The wisest choice would be to join it. Stop trying to bring that majority to your tiny cause, and instead try to bring your tiny cause into the majority. We’re basically all on the same side. I wrote an article about this exact subject a couple years ago on this website. Time to dream a new dream. This is the best shot we’re going to have, let’s make the most of it and win.
So Spencer’s an atheist gay socialist. That ought to make NPR heads explode, since they’re atheist gay socialists, too. He might have picked his path of “defending whites” because he feels guilty that he’s not doing anything to make more whites. It appears that he has a wife, though.
I always laugh when anyone says “Christianity” and “Glen Beck” in a sentence.
Mormons believe deep down Jesus was a created being the same as lucifer. Just ask one.
Well insofar as both Jesus and Lucifer are man-made fiction, they would be correct.