I don’t get the level of kvetching going on about rolling this back to the regulations that were in place for 20 years before the Obama change in 2015. What’s the BFD?
Stubb
December 1, 2017 5:45 pm
I’ve heard both ways. If anyone here has informed opinions they would be nice to know. This video says NN is good:
Read what Karl has to write: https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232617.
You may want to start with the link in the first sentence and then return to the article.
Karl was an ISP so he has a clear understanding of the economic impacts.
Stubb
December 1, 2017 7:12 pm
Thanks. If I read everything right NN is like Obamacare with a higher charges for people to pay for corporate welfare for companies like Amazon and Netflix. Denninger said NN is communism which would make that video above propaganda. Some customers will have to pay a ton more for video streaming or all internet users pay a lot more even if they don’t need the bandwidth. It is good the government is involved because they are nuetral and they never fuck up anything. Maybe uncle sam will take over the internet and run it like the post office.
The fundamental problem is we’re being offered two shitty options instead of the one logical option.
The logical option is the end user pays for the bandwidth they use. So a heavy Netflix user will pay more in bandwidth than a light email user.
The catch is under that situation, Netflix would collapse and cease to be viable cause people would start to budget their bandwidth usage. Netflix depends on chumps like me who don’t use Netflix to help cover the bandwidth costs of my neighbors who have Netflix running non-stop.
Porn would also quickly cease to be as useful as people have to start budgeting their bandwidth usage and realize that their imagination or crazy idea… their spouse is a better investment of that energy. Yours truly included.
Hindsight makes yesterday’s failures easy to courageously admit. Next opportunity will have its own challenges but that one from the past will not be one of them. That’s the courage I aim to live up to.
Agreed, their current “viability” requires massive subsidizing from ISP subscribers that may or may not be using their service + completely irrational cash inflows from external investment.
In my place of business I wouldn’t be surprised if 10% have something playing off of Netflix in the background during work hours. The amount playing off of youtube is certainly obscene. There was a time where if you liked a song you had a copy and played that copy locally.
Netflix is market obscenity incarnate, and their “viability” is based entirely off of fraud and graft.
Something needs to be done to stop the Youtube, FB, etc censorship; we need an option of some site that does not censor.
Anonymous
December 2, 2017 9:06 am
Everyone here seems to fully accept that the government has the right, maybe even the duty, to regulate the internet.
The question now is only how much and for what reasons.
Encroachment is encroachment, once you accept it it continues to grow, look at what has been done to the second amendment and that is still an ongoing process which will eventually eliminate it for most people.
Not everyone; if the free market could provide alternatives to Twitter (like Gab.ai), Facebook (like having your ownwebsite for your family to interact with) and Youtube (there is one, can’t remember the name) then there would be no need for government regulation.
But there aren’t well-known alternatives, because the government (mainly CIA and such) DEVELOPED these web services and don’t want people to abandon them and lose all that free / easy access information about so many people. How much would it cost the government to SPY and COLLECT all that info, neatly sorted by individuals, and providing easy ways to determine LINKS between individuals? If people didn’t POST their business and send to folks they know INDENTIFYING them as acquaintances, how would a government ever develop such intelligence? It would cost INFINITELY and TAKE FOREVER to index; now folks do it for them, for free.
Escape the Matrix, before it’s too late.
I don’t get the level of kvetching going on about rolling this back to the regulations that were in place for 20 years before the Obama change in 2015. What’s the BFD?
I’ve heard both ways. If anyone here has informed opinions they would be nice to know. This video says NN is good:
Read what Karl has to write: https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232617.
You may want to start with the link in the first sentence and then return to the article.
Karl was an ISP so he has a clear understanding of the economic impacts.
Thanks. If I read everything right NN is like Obamacare with a higher charges for people to pay for corporate welfare for companies like Amazon and Netflix. Denninger said NN is communism which would make that video above propaganda. Some customers will have to pay a ton more for video streaming or all internet users pay a lot more even if they don’t need the bandwidth. It is good the government is involved because they are nuetral and they never fuck up anything. Maybe uncle sam will take over the internet and run it like the post office.
The fundamental problem is we’re being offered two shitty options instead of the one logical option.
The logical option is the end user pays for the bandwidth they use. So a heavy Netflix user will pay more in bandwidth than a light email user.
The catch is under that situation, Netflix would collapse and cease to be viable cause people would start to budget their bandwidth usage. Netflix depends on chumps like me who don’t use Netflix to help cover the bandwidth costs of my neighbors who have Netflix running non-stop.
Porn would also quickly cease to be as useful as people have to start budgeting their bandwidth usage and realize that their imagination or crazy idea… their spouse is a better investment of that energy. Yours truly included.
“Yours truly included.”
That is a courageous admission to make. Kudos to you.
Hindsight makes yesterday’s failures easy to courageously admit. Next opportunity will have its own challenges but that one from the past will not be one of them. That’s the courage I aim to live up to.
You and me both. June 1 of this year; never again.
‘The catch is under that situation, Netflix would collapse and cease to be viable..’
Netflix isn’t viable.
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https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/10/18/total-garbage-netflix/
Agreed, their current “viability” requires massive subsidizing from ISP subscribers that may or may not be using their service + completely irrational cash inflows from external investment.
In my place of business I wouldn’t be surprised if 10% have something playing off of Netflix in the background during work hours. The amount playing off of youtube is certainly obscene. There was a time where if you liked a song you had a copy and played that copy locally.
Netflix is market obscenity incarnate, and their “viability” is based entirely off of fraud and graft.
In my place of business, streaming content of any kind on the company network will have you looking for opportunities elsewhere.
from tbp,2 days ago,posted by t4c–
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/11/29/course-correction/
Something needs to be done to stop the Youtube, FB, etc censorship; we need an option of some site that does not censor.
Everyone here seems to fully accept that the government has the right, maybe even the duty, to regulate the internet.
The question now is only how much and for what reasons.
Encroachment is encroachment, once you accept it it continues to grow, look at what has been done to the second amendment and that is still an ongoing process which will eventually eliminate it for most people.
Not everyone; if the free market could provide alternatives to Twitter (like Gab.ai), Facebook (like having your ownwebsite for your family to interact with) and Youtube (there is one, can’t remember the name) then there would be no need for government regulation.
But there aren’t well-known alternatives, because the government (mainly CIA and such) DEVELOPED these web services and don’t want people to abandon them and lose all that free / easy access information about so many people. How much would it cost the government to SPY and COLLECT all that info, neatly sorted by individuals, and providing easy ways to determine LINKS between individuals? If people didn’t POST their business and send to folks they know INDENTIFYING them as acquaintances, how would a government ever develop such intelligence? It would cost INFINITELY and TAKE FOREVER to index; now folks do it for them, for free.
Escape the Matrix, before it’s too late.