Dem liberal can unnerstan. Dey jus doan wan to. Dey mins closd. Dey like dat Rabbit guy.
Maybe DeMorpheus not too smart, but Demorpheus wan to unnerstan. Big diff. Lik Demorpheus preacher Reberand Johntabius T Washington say. Yoo got to try to unnerstan. Den you kno.
Demorpheus speling gettn better. De preacher teeching DeMorpheus.
anarchyst
December 27, 2017 9:47 am
Both judaism and islam spring from the same source. The islamic koran and jewish talmud have virtually identical passages that outline the supremacy of each respective group. These two texts relegate gentiles and infidels to the status of livestock, to be used (and abused) for the nefarious purposes of each respective group.
In fact, BOTH islam and judaism proscribe harsher punishments for those who transgress against those of their respective groups while proscribing little or no punishment for those “believers” who transgress against “goyim” and “infidels”.
Since judaism is much older than islam, it is apparent that islam is an arabicized form of judaism.
Judaism has already succeeded in undermining Christianity because its disdain for “outsiders”is carefully hidden in its texts which are “for jewish eyes only”. Christian supporters of israel are willing “dupes” and “useful idiots” who are contributing to the destruction of Christianity.
One divergence between judaism and islam is the treatment of Jesus Christ and his mother Mary. The jewish talmud states that Jesus Christ is an apostate, “boiling in excrement for eternity”, while his mother Mary conceived Jesus with a Roman soldier. To this day, jews HATE Christianity, but will use Christians to achieve their aims.
The islamic koran reveres Jesus Christ as a great prophet–not the “Son of God”, but a great prophet nevertheless, while his mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the koran and is given a place of high honor.
I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk of our “judeo-Christian” heritage. There is NOTHING “judeo” about TRUE Christianity. Both judaism and islam regard their supreme being as a “God of vengeance” unlike Christianity…
Not sure how you differentiate Judaism as separate from Christianity, as the foundation of Christianity was Judaism. Most of what was written in the New Testament came from the Old, as written by Jews who became Christians.
The choice of becoming a Christian was first offered to the Jews, who as a nation promptly rejected the offer and would account for their hostility to Christ, as they did 2000 years ago.
Although Islam appeared to be a little more supportive of Jesus, to afford him great prophet status is to miss a he mark as much as the Jews, as Jesus came not as a prophet ,but as the promise offered by the prophets of old as the Savior of all mankind.
I guess that attempting to say Islam may be more tolerant than Judaism, doesn’t hold much water to me, as they are an equal opportunity beheader; who do not discriminate against any religion over another, as long as you will not submit to Allah, your head is on the chopping block.
Thank you, Llpoh. There seems to be great confusion on this point. Christians have no interest in nor adherence to the traditions of men that compose the Talmud.
“Then God said: ‘No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.’”
Jews and Arabs are (half) brothers … who hated each other from the get go.
5000 years later .. well, Herr Trumpygoyim is gonna fix it all, believe me, good and hard.
Easy explanation. Research over a number of years has indicated to me that in ancient Palestine/Judea at the time of Jesus, there were roughly five schools of thought on spiritual matter; on how one is to relate to Creator and His Creation. They were as follows:
1. Traditional Jews. Some of whom are now thought to have been Essenes. They wanted to get back to original intent. Jesus represented this school of thought. Jesus spoke of living the spirit of the Mosaic Law, the intent of the Law. After a few generations, The Jews who followed Jesus, and their converts, quit calling themselves Jews and started calling themselves Christians. So, in short, Christians who follow Jesus embody a form of Judaism.
2. The Pharisees. Focused on observing the minute details of the Mosaic Law, without considering the intent of the Mosaic Law. Then, and now, they follow the Talmuds, which are Rabbinical instructions on how to observe every last little minutiae of the Mosaic Law, and the thousands of little rules that are implied by the Mosaic Laws. The first Talmud was compiled in Babylon.
When the Pharisees spread out from ancient Judea, the ones who went west became Sephardic Jews. The ones who went east become the Mizrahi Jews of the Mideast.
One of those Pharisees converted the king of the Khazar kingdom to Judaism. Of course, he directed his whole tribe to convert, also. Their kingdom, long since gone, lay about where the Crimea and eastern Ukraine lays now. Those Khazars now call themselves Ashkenazi Jews. These modern day Pharisees are who we call Jews now.
3. Kabbalahists and Pagans. The beginnings of the Kabbalah-roughly a book of magic-was compiled during the captivity in Babylon. They are a subset of the modern Pharisee sect.
4. Sadducees. The Wikipedia definition works for me: a member of a Jewish sect or party of the time of Jesus Christ that denied the resurrection of the dead, the existence of spirits, and the obligation of oral tradition, emphasizing acceptance of the written Law alone. In theory, the Sadducee sect died out shortly after the time of Jesus, but some of some people in this country now sure remind me of the Sadducee posse.
5. Followers of Greek philosophy. They were the modernists of their day.
What little I know, I have learned from others.
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
December 27, 2017 11:50 am
Llpoh, Gayle, Anon, and Stucky….I don’t understand anything you stated.
It all started with Llpoh with his reply to Not Sure, even though Not Sure didn’t mention the Torah or Talmud, this was the bone of contention.
Anyway, I never read any major religious document; nor will that ever happen.
It is interesting to be on the outside and watching people squabble over bits of information which to me are useless activities. Since humans wrote ALL of the religious texts, and most have many similarities, doesn’t it at least make one suspicious?
Clarification: I spoke of the Old Testament, the Torah is the first five books of the Old Testament. I believe Llpoh was referring to the article, where the writer who dissed Jesus quoted from the Talmud, Llpoh was differentiating between the word of God (the Torah or the Old Testament) and the Talmud, the writings of the Jews that is not the word of God, but according to them, ways of following the Old Testament, post temple era.
And now let the squabbling begin!
rhs jr
December 27, 2017 12:21 pm
I think even the Gospels contain some myths but the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus to Heaven is not a myth; Jesus is our Savior who can answer our prayers, not anyone else (Mohammad, Buddha, Zoroaster, Odin, etc); oh sure, you can deal with Satan/Lucifer etc from Hell if you want to join them forever. Thank God for Jesus.
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
rhs……………I respect Christianity due to the general aspects of the 10 Commandments; a good moral way for all to live. This is in opposition to some other religions.
However, stating that Jesus answers our prayers; how do you know that? Probably a Billion people have died immediately after asking Jesus to save them.
I’ll let you tell me if I’m splitting hairs, Being a Christian really has nothing to do with the 10 commandments, as they were written in the book of Exodus for the Jews to follow. If anything, Jesus called Christians to not follow the 10 commandments, but boiled them down to 2: Love God and love your neighbor.
If you consider the promise of Jesus to mean we will never physically die, we Christians were deceived, as referencing the billions of Christians who have died that you have referred to. But that is not what the Lord promised. His promise was that we would be “born again,” from the moment we believe and that even if we die physically, we are given a life that means we will continue to live with God for eternity, even after our physical bodies return to the dust we were created from.
I try not to preach to others too much, as it is generally poorly received, but when one points to what they think a Christian believes that is contrary to foundational beliefs of a Christian, I feel a need to speak up, just to set the record straight and to help others to understand what the promise of God really offers to all who believe.
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
Not Sure….My mother reared 3 sons (father took off when I was 5) and we went to Church every Sunday A.M. and we got the 10 commandments fairly often from the pulpit. Both my older brothers were Altar Boys (never molested as far as I know). My mother played the organ in that church for 50 years.
I could give a fuck where the 10 C originally came from – that was not the point.
Good on ya! And nothing but respect and admiration for your mom! Sorry for the distraction.
Penforce
December 27, 2017 8:05 pm
I lived in a small town as a kid. Many Sundays my nasty ass Boxer dog would trail me into the church and sit his ass down in the entryway. The ushers would summon me to the entry and ask quietly, with one eye on my dog, if I would take him home. I know that he came to rescue me and I thanked him for it. He’s still the coolest person I’ve ever known. To this day I still miss that dog and still avoid attending church. Damn smart dog.
Muck About
December 28, 2017 3:45 pm
There is not single religious document in existence that is not the product of a human hand.
The content of every religious document in existence springs from the mind of man.
Anytime one involves religion in a discussion of any sort, that discussion is irrational and not worth listening to.
Any attempt to use rational reasoning to persuade someone of any religion on any point, idea, concept or anything else not already accepted in the mind of the religious person is a fruitless occupation and doomed to failure.
I could go on for another hundred points or so but BB would get upset with me.
Good One – kinda explains it even to the dumbest liberal.
Dem liberal can unnerstan. Dey jus doan wan to. Dey mins closd. Dey like dat Rabbit guy.
Maybe DeMorpheus not too smart, but Demorpheus wan to unnerstan. Big diff. Lik Demorpheus preacher Reberand Johntabius T Washington say. Yoo got to try to unnerstan. Den you kno.
Demorpheus speling gettn better. De preacher teeching DeMorpheus.
Both judaism and islam spring from the same source. The islamic koran and jewish talmud have virtually identical passages that outline the supremacy of each respective group. These two texts relegate gentiles and infidels to the status of livestock, to be used (and abused) for the nefarious purposes of each respective group.
In fact, BOTH islam and judaism proscribe harsher punishments for those who transgress against those of their respective groups while proscribing little or no punishment for those “believers” who transgress against “goyim” and “infidels”.
Since judaism is much older than islam, it is apparent that islam is an arabicized form of judaism.
Judaism has already succeeded in undermining Christianity because its disdain for “outsiders”is carefully hidden in its texts which are “for jewish eyes only”. Christian supporters of israel are willing “dupes” and “useful idiots” who are contributing to the destruction of Christianity.
One divergence between judaism and islam is the treatment of Jesus Christ and his mother Mary. The jewish talmud states that Jesus Christ is an apostate, “boiling in excrement for eternity”, while his mother Mary conceived Jesus with a Roman soldier. To this day, jews HATE Christianity, but will use Christians to achieve their aims.
The islamic koran reveres Jesus Christ as a great prophet–not the “Son of God”, but a great prophet nevertheless, while his mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the koran and is given a place of high honor.
I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk of our “judeo-Christian” heritage. There is NOTHING “judeo” about TRUE Christianity. Both judaism and islam regard their supreme being as a “God of vengeance” unlike Christianity…
Christianity springs from Judaism and is the fulfillment of it.
You can’t say that about Islam.
Not sure how you differentiate Judaism as separate from Christianity, as the foundation of Christianity was Judaism. Most of what was written in the New Testament came from the Old, as written by Jews who became Christians.
The choice of becoming a Christian was first offered to the Jews, who as a nation promptly rejected the offer and would account for their hostility to Christ, as they did 2000 years ago.
Although Islam appeared to be a little more supportive of Jesus, to afford him great prophet status is to miss a he mark as much as the Jews, as Jesus came not as a prophet ,but as the promise offered by the prophets of old as the Savior of all mankind.
I guess that attempting to say Islam may be more tolerant than Judaism, doesn’t hold much water to me, as they are an equal opportunity beheader; who do not discriminate against any religion over another, as long as you will not submit to Allah, your head is on the chopping block.
The Talmud is not the word of God. That would be the Torah. The Talmud is the word of men. Get the fuck over it.
Thank you, Llpoh. There seems to be great confusion on this point. Christians have no interest in nor adherence to the traditions of men that compose the Talmud.
You confuse judaeism with Hebrewism. They are completely different animals.
Nice.
Just go back further … to the beginning.
“Then God said: ‘No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.’”
Jews and Arabs are (half) brothers … who hated each other from the get go.
5000 years later .. well, Herr Trumpygoyim is gonna fix it all, believe me, good and hard.
Easy explanation. Research over a number of years has indicated to me that in ancient Palestine/Judea at the time of Jesus, there were roughly five schools of thought on spiritual matter; on how one is to relate to Creator and His Creation. They were as follows:
1. Traditional Jews. Some of whom are now thought to have been Essenes. They wanted to get back to original intent. Jesus represented this school of thought. Jesus spoke of living the spirit of the Mosaic Law, the intent of the Law. After a few generations, The Jews who followed Jesus, and their converts, quit calling themselves Jews and started calling themselves Christians. So, in short, Christians who follow Jesus embody a form of Judaism.
2. The Pharisees. Focused on observing the minute details of the Mosaic Law, without considering the intent of the Mosaic Law. Then, and now, they follow the Talmuds, which are Rabbinical instructions on how to observe every last little minutiae of the Mosaic Law, and the thousands of little rules that are implied by the Mosaic Laws. The first Talmud was compiled in Babylon.
When the Pharisees spread out from ancient Judea, the ones who went west became Sephardic Jews. The ones who went east become the Mizrahi Jews of the Mideast.
One of those Pharisees converted the king of the Khazar kingdom to Judaism. Of course, he directed his whole tribe to convert, also. Their kingdom, long since gone, lay about where the Crimea and eastern Ukraine lays now. Those Khazars now call themselves Ashkenazi Jews. These modern day Pharisees are who we call Jews now.
3. Kabbalahists and Pagans. The beginnings of the Kabbalah-roughly a book of magic-was compiled during the captivity in Babylon. They are a subset of the modern Pharisee sect.
4. Sadducees. The Wikipedia definition works for me: a member of a Jewish sect or party of the time of Jesus Christ that denied the resurrection of the dead, the existence of spirits, and the obligation of oral tradition, emphasizing acceptance of the written Law alone. In theory, the Sadducee sect died out shortly after the time of Jesus, but some of some people in this country now sure remind me of the Sadducee posse.
5. Followers of Greek philosophy. They were the modernists of their day.
What little I know, I have learned from others.
Llpoh, Gayle, Anon, and Stucky….I don’t understand anything you stated.
It all started with Llpoh with his reply to Not Sure, even though Not Sure didn’t mention the Torah or Talmud, this was the bone of contention.
Anyway, I never read any major religious document; nor will that ever happen.
It is interesting to be on the outside and watching people squabble over bits of information which to me are useless activities. Since humans wrote ALL of the religious texts, and most have many similarities, doesn’t it at least make one suspicious?
All I tried to say that the father of Semites … both Jews and Arabs … are one and the same. (Different mother.)
Clarification: I spoke of the Old Testament, the Torah is the first five books of the Old Testament. I believe Llpoh was referring to the article, where the writer who dissed Jesus quoted from the Talmud, Llpoh was differentiating between the word of God (the Torah or the Old Testament) and the Talmud, the writings of the Jews that is not the word of God, but according to them, ways of following the Old Testament, post temple era.
And now let the squabbling begin!
I think even the Gospels contain some myths but the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus to Heaven is not a myth; Jesus is our Savior who can answer our prayers, not anyone else (Mohammad, Buddha, Zoroaster, Odin, etc); oh sure, you can deal with Satan/Lucifer etc from Hell if you want to join them forever. Thank God for Jesus.
rhs……………I respect Christianity due to the general aspects of the 10 Commandments; a good moral way for all to live. This is in opposition to some other religions.
However, stating that Jesus answers our prayers; how do you know that? Probably a Billion people have died immediately after asking Jesus to save them.
I’ll let you tell me if I’m splitting hairs, Being a Christian really has nothing to do with the 10 commandments, as they were written in the book of Exodus for the Jews to follow. If anything, Jesus called Christians to not follow the 10 commandments, but boiled them down to 2: Love God and love your neighbor.
If you consider the promise of Jesus to mean we will never physically die, we Christians were deceived, as referencing the billions of Christians who have died that you have referred to. But that is not what the Lord promised. His promise was that we would be “born again,” from the moment we believe and that even if we die physically, we are given a life that means we will continue to live with God for eternity, even after our physical bodies return to the dust we were created from.
I try not to preach to others too much, as it is generally poorly received, but when one points to what they think a Christian believes that is contrary to foundational beliefs of a Christian, I feel a need to speak up, just to set the record straight and to help others to understand what the promise of God really offers to all who believe.
Not Sure….My mother reared 3 sons (father took off when I was 5) and we went to Church every Sunday A.M. and we got the 10 commandments fairly often from the pulpit. Both my older brothers were Altar Boys (never molested as far as I know). My mother played the organ in that church for 50 years.
I could give a fuck where the 10 C originally came from – that was not the point.
edit: and I did go to Sunday School
Good on ya! And nothing but respect and admiration for your mom! Sorry for the distraction.
I lived in a small town as a kid. Many Sundays my nasty ass Boxer dog would trail me into the church and sit his ass down in the entryway. The ushers would summon me to the entry and ask quietly, with one eye on my dog, if I would take him home. I know that he came to rescue me and I thanked him for it. He’s still the coolest person I’ve ever known. To this day I still miss that dog and still avoid attending church. Damn smart dog.
There is not single religious document in existence that is not the product of a human hand.
The content of every religious document in existence springs from the mind of man.
Anytime one involves religion in a discussion of any sort, that discussion is irrational and not worth listening to.
Any attempt to use rational reasoning to persuade someone of any religion on any point, idea, concept or anything else not already accepted in the mind of the religious person is a fruitless occupation and doomed to failure.
I could go on for another hundred points or so but BB would get upset with me.
muck