Some Thoughts on a Basic Definition of Evil?

I wrote this two years ago and submitted it to several philosophers and a journal of philosophy.  Nobody even wanted to read it, let alone comment on its merits.  So I offer it to y’all to see what you might think.  I hope to profit from your insights.

Guest Post by Robert Bronsdon

The basic definition of evil proposed in this essay is “The conscious taking by one person of anything belonging to another person, through any means, without that thing being freely given.”  This definition has many implications to be discussed below but it does not make reference to a moral code or any religion.  It is also devoid of motive.  This is primarily due both to the irrelevance of the motive and the inability of anyone save the actor to impute a motive.  This is not to say that some things which are inherently evil cannot be justified as acceptable in some moral codes.  It is to say that any moral code is developed by the society to define, not that which is evil, but rather the evil actions which are seen in that culture to be acceptable.

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This definition is fundamentally an economic one (much as Nietzsche describes it) in that an actor seeks to take something of value from a victim without consent.  In its simplest form one might consider stealing or theft as an evil.  But this definition is not restricted to physical things.  “Any Thing” refers to physical things such as property but it also refers to things such as life, freedom, virginity, happiness, comfort.  So this is really a very broad definition of what is an evil action and it is not dependent upon the goals of the actor or the level of harm perpetrated on the victim.  It is also independent of the moral codes of the actor and the victim because one is likely to surmise that both share the same moral code but that is not necessarily true. In fact, it is almost always going to be the case that the two actors in this transaction do not share the same moral codes for quite a large proportion of the evil acts that can be performed are supported by one moral code or another.

This definition clearly excludes the concept of evil institutions.  Inherent in this exclusion is the assumption that institutions are simply the sum actions of individual actors.  The actors within any institution reach a consensus as to which evils their moral code is going to support and which evils are to be excluded, but none of that should change the basic definition of evil.  It should not make an act less evil if everyone in the society accepts it as good.  If that is allowed then the definition is not base and cannot form a support for the rational development of a belief system, a religion, or moral code.  It is the goal of this paper to put forth a definition of evil that can be considered basic and fundamental to any discussion of what is good and what is evil.

The current understanding of what is evil

Let us start with a definition currently available and see if it helps us understand what evil is.  Some philosophers have questioned even the concept of evil in the absence of a basic definition.  They seem to contend that evil is not a necessary concept.  Others suggest that it is only relatively recently that mankind has started to wrestle with the concept on a fundamental basis.  Can that be true?  Surely mankind has struggled with the concept of evil from the moment we walked out of the bushes, and most likely long before that.  Most mammals, and very clearly the higher apes and monkeys, demonstrate that they have a very highly developed sense of having been done wrong to by another member of their society.

Evil appears in the dictionary as either an adjective or a noun.  In other words, the word itself is used either to describe an act or a thing (this evil act must be opposed), or it is used as a thing (we must all work against evil.)  None of the current definitions appear to place any modifiers on the act such as very or great.  In other words, in our current understanding of evil there is no need of discussing the degree to which a person is harmed.  But the current definitions do rely on the motive of the actor and most are based on a prevailing moral code or some concept of a religion.

From the Oxford American Dictionary:

Use as an Adjective

  1. (of people) enjoying harming others; morally bad and cruel (an evil man, an evil grin)
  2. having a harmful effect on people; morally bad (evil deeds, the evil effects of racism)
  3. connected with the Devil and with what is bad in the world (evil spirits)
  4. extremely unpleasant (an evil smell)

Use as a Noun

  1. [uncountable] a force that causes bad things to happen; morally bad behavior (the eternal struggle between good and evil, the forces of evil)
  2. [countable, usually plural] a bad or harmful thing; the bad effect of something (the evils of drugs/alcohol, social evils)

 

The futility of basing the definition of evil on a moral code or religion

Here we see that the definitions in common usage refer to moral codes or in fact a belief in supernatural influences on society.  An evil man is one who enjoys harming others.  The forces of evil must be opposed.  Is the man enjoying harming people?  How might we know that he does?  From where are these forces thought to originate?  Are they real or imagined?  It appears that the underlying cause of confusion as to what the definition of evil is finds its root in the illusion of a unified moral code.  Every single person believes that they know what evil is because they know what their moral code says is evil.  But not every person, and most probably not any person, actually shares a moral code.  Just the religious divisions alone, each with their own morality, puts the idea of basing a definition of evil on a moral code on shaky ground.

A man might be considered evil if he is one who enjoys harming others with whom he shares a moral code.   But what if that man does not share that common moral code?  He may come from a society where those who are not capable of keeping up are left to die.  The action of leaving behind one who cannot keep up is condemned as evil by those in a society where compassion forbids the abandonment of those less capable.  Whose moral code are we to use to define our basis on the definition of this evil?  Clearly the moral code of one group cannot form the basis for the definition of evil.

All moral codes embrace some forms of evil as acceptable while condemning others.  Some are very similar and one could argue that it should be possible to find some common ground and yet many other moral codes are so wildly divergent as to render any attempt futile.  How are we to reconcile the moral codes of the western Europeans with the moral codes of the headhunters of Papua New Guinea?

The futility of attempting to assign motive in the definition of evil

Many of the definitions of evil, or at least examples of the use of the word evil, pertain to people with specifically evil personalities.  The one man upon whom virtually all members of the human race can feel justified in assigning evil intent is of course Adolph Hitler.  Ask anyone if Hitler was evil and virtually every person will answer in the affirmative.  And yet, if you asked Hitler if he was evil it is almost certainly the case that he would say that he was not.  This is because every other person in the world, save Hitler himself, is condemned to form an opinion as to his motives.  Not one other person can accurately define those motives.  Without a clear understanding about another person’s motives one can never impute evil as a base component of another’s character.

If this is true, that it is impossible to truly know motive, then the task of imputing evil is a fool’s errand.  It is this which puts any definition of evil as an attribute of any other person at extreme risk.  If one cannot describe a person as evil then any definition of evil which is based on the concept of an evil personality is doomed to fail.  It is most likely this one logical fallacy which has been the greatest impediment to a usable definition of evil.

Virtually every single society on the face of the earth does now, or has in the past, faced what has been generally acknowledged to be an evil from another society.  Perhaps one society is a perpetrator of evil and the other is a victim of evil or perhaps the two societies simply have different ideas as to what is evil, but none the less, as a summation of all of the actions of the members of each society, true evils will be done on both sides of the conflict.  If one needs to define a motive in order to identify each act as evil then it is very likely that neither side will conclude that any evil acts have been committed.

Conclusion

So we find that we cannot base our definition of evil on a moral code.  And we find that we cannot base our definition of evil on any underlying human trait or supposed motive.  In the past we have condemned our efforts because we could not let go of our own societal beliefs and prejudices. What are we left with save a definition based on specific actions of any actor in any enterprise?   Once we have divorced our definition of evil from our own moral codes we find that we are left to accept that some of our actions are evil too.  Our actions are evil to others as their actions are evil to us.

It is only by separating the moral and religious arguments from the definition of evil that we are able to finally identify and address the true differences that separate us as humans.

So, is there evil in the world?  Of course there is.  In fact, it is everywhere and constant because there will always be people in the world who seek to take things from other people who do not want to give them up.  This is why it is almost inconceivable that anyone could contend that truly deep discussions about the meaning of evil in this world started in recent times.  Every single society on earth has set down its own definitions of what is evil and what is good.  People have, from mankind’s earliest times, struggled with how to define evil.  It seems to be our innate feeling that our motives can only be good and only others motives can potentially be evil that has clouded our perceptions and led us to obfuscate what should be a simple concept.

It is within everyone’s nature to chose to perform acts just as evil as those performed by Hitler.  Sometimes you will think that those acts are evil but sometimes you will not think that they are evil.  Sometimes your friends will think that those acts are evil but not always.  And sometimes it will only be the victim of your evil act who claims that the act was evil and that person will almost always come to that conclusion.  In the end, it is the act which is evil.  Your motive is irrelevant.  Your nature is irrelevant.  If, in the end, you choose to take something knowingly from another person who does not wish you to have it then you have performed an evil act.

Perhaps it is, in the end, the desire by the ruling class to paint a happy face on their own evil deeds which has precluded the adoption of a basic definition of evil.  They print the books.  They build the churches.  They decide what definitions go into the dictionaries.  They have an incentive to define the concept of evil as those things that they do not do, but rather that which those they oppose do.  This obfuscation is fundamental to the way in which societies are built and guided by those in positions of power.

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Ralph
Ralph
January 3, 2018 1:32 pm

What about an absence of compassion or benevolent agency, like leaving a person dying by a roadside when intervention could save their life, or where one person controls vast resources and, at a trivial cost to themselves, could enhance or save the lives of others who do not. Example: in Breaking Bad, when Walter White witnesses Jesse’s girlfriend choking on vomit while in a heroin-induced state, but does not intervene by simply turning her over on her side or stomach, thereby allowing her to die? These seem to fall outside your definition, yet represent the kinds of evil that for instance Jesus spoke of.

anarchyst
anarchyst
January 3, 2018 2:08 pm

Government itself is evil when it criminalizes mere possession of ANY substance, machine, device, or thought…

kokoda Raccoon
kokoda Raccoon
January 3, 2018 2:08 pm

I am impressed that so much ink could be used to define evil.

Some years back I went and looked at the definitions for Fascism, Communism, etc. They were quite long and each contained many specifics. I considered them BS. I have my own definitions which are very simple.

starfcker
starfcker
  kokoda Raccoon
January 3, 2018 4:04 pm

It may be hard to define, but I know it when I see it.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  kokoda Raccoon
January 3, 2018 4:10 pm

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MrLiberty
MrLiberty
January 3, 2018 2:09 pm

When I saw the title I was immediately going to say government, but your “definition” covers government perfectly.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 3, 2018 2:12 pm

I’d define “evil” as disagreement with anything I say.

And if we’re going to redefine it from the normal English language dictionary definition, I have as much right to define it my way as anyone else does their way.

Stucky
Stucky
January 3, 2018 2:49 pm

You left out a few things.

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1. Evil-Skepticism Versus Evil-Revivalism
—– Evil and the Supernatural
—– Evil and Explanatory Power
—– The Dangers of ‘Evil’
—– Nietzsche’s Attack on Evil
—– Arguments in Favor of the Concept of Evil

2. The History of Theories of Evil
—– Dualist and Privation Theories of Evil
—– Kant’s Theory of Evil
—– Arendt’s Analyses of Evil

3. Contemporary Theories of Evil Action
—– Evil and Wrongdoing
—– Evil and Harm
—– Evil and Motivation
—– Evil and Affect
—– Evil and Responsibility
—– Psychopaths
—– Bad Upbringings
—– Ignorance

4. Contemporary Theories of Evil Character/Personhood
—– Frequent Evildoer and Dispositional Accounts
—– Affect-Based Accounts
—– Motive-Based Accounts
—– Consistency Accounts
—– Extremity Accounts

5. Evil Institutions

Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
January 3, 2018 2:57 pm

I copied and pasted that from some online course.

The point is this; I can’t think of too many topics more philosophically difficult to tackle than “Evil” … especially, The Problem Of Evil. Mankind has been doing so for thousands of years. I can’t imagine how many billions of words have been written about it.

What I’m saying …. if I were asked to write an article which defined evil …. I highly doubt I would do it.

Your essay isn’t all that bad. I disagree with a few points. Naturally. But, I can understand why actual philosophers and journals weren’t interested. It is very very basic. I do not mean that as an insult. I don’t think I could have done any better. It IS a tough topic, which is why I wouldn’t want to tackle it.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Stucky
January 3, 2018 3:18 pm

I agree with you and have read most of what you posted above. My contention is that for a word to be used properly it needs to have a basic definition that everyone agrees with. A dog is this. A cat is this. An airplane is this. But evil is a concept that has always been a part of life on earth, at least as far back as apes, and possibly further, and yet nobody can settle on a simple, basic, definition. This, I believe, is because nobody ever wants to be considered to be evil. That is the point. And that is why the definition is so simple.

Any time any person takes anything which is not freely given, an evil action has occurred.

It is meant to be broad. It is meant to be vague. And it is meant to be applied to both you and to me. Under this definition people in the Nazi party performed evil actions. People in the US government performed evil actions. People in the Japanese army performed evil actions. It really shouldn’t matter in a basic definition of evil if you did the evil action for a greater good. The action was still evil; be it in Auschwitz or Hiroshima.

DD
DD
  Stucky
February 14, 2019 9:04 pm

Didn’t that Hannah Arendt chick say something about evil??

Uncola
Uncola
January 3, 2018 3:03 pm

I often wonder if evil is a facet of personality/consciousness and rooted in pride. Can animals be evil without malice? Can a retard? Isn’t it true that intelligence can magnify evil? Think Lex Luther or Professor Moriarty. Yet evil can also be banal (i.e. = actions performed with good intentions; or even acts made in haste or without contemplative consideration). In all cases, pride believes it knows best.

Also, like light and dark, heat and cold, I wonder if evil can only be intelligently examined in relation to its opposite; even if only by comparative degree.

Perhaps by submitting this writing to several philosophers, a journal of philosophy, and here, you are seeking agreement? One way or the other? Is that even possible? If not, then is evil relative? Or, on the other hand, if agreement is possible, would that not therefore be the very definition of a moral code? Why not? These are the questions I am considering now.

…we cannot base our definition of evil on any underlying human trait or supposed motive.

I also question if this statement is actually false. If I view my innocent neighbor walking just beyond my fence and think ill of him, it might be considered a shortcoming. However, if I throw a rock at him, this would be a defect on my part; an evil human trait. Does my free will vindicate me for any action? For any thought? Why not? Perhaps motive does matter. It could be all that matters.

If I misconstrued any of your premise(s), my apologies in advance. Thanks for presenting the existential puzzle.

Stucky
Stucky
  Uncola
January 3, 2018 3:23 pm

Of course motive matters! I don’t have a lot of time left in the library, but it’s one of the things I disagreed with it.

The other is the actual definition; “The conscious taking by one person of anything belonging to another person, through any means, without that thing being freely given.”

IMHO, that sounds like a definition of stealing.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Stucky
January 3, 2018 3:39 pm

Well first off, how can you ever truly ascribe a motive to any action. It seems obvious, but in point of fact, one can only guess at any persons motive for any action. In many cases even the person performing the action is not able to adequately explain why they did what they did.

And yes, it is a definition of stealing as stealing is the most obvious example of taking something which is not freely given. But that is not the only evil action that can fall under this definition. A person can certainly take a real thing, but they can take a dream, they can take a virginity, they can take a life, they can take freedom, they can take literally anything that you would not want to give them and this, under this definition, would be considered to be an evil action.

Stucky
Stucky
  Hollywood Rob
January 3, 2018 3:48 pm

Sometimes you can ascribe motive, sometimes not.

There’s a man next to me. He has a gun with no bullets. He knows I have a bullet in my pocket. He asks for the bullet. I know exactly what he will do with the loaded weapon. So, I give him the bullet. Did I just do an evil thing, or a good thing?

Uncola
Uncola
  Stucky
January 3, 2018 3:54 pm

Conscience. Why do we feel guilt? How is that possible

GOD
GOD
  Uncola
January 3, 2018 4:38 pm

I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. But some teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

The League of Wrathful, Rabid, Raccoons
The League of Wrathful, Rabid, Raccoons
  Stucky
January 3, 2018 4:17 pm

That’s a good question.

Depends on what he does with the bullet I suppose.

Sort of like leaving 2×4’s just lying around the yard unattended. I mean, you could be building something or you could be lying in wait. We need to know how this story concludes to really say.

Stucky
Stucky

“Depends on what he does with the bullet I suppose.”

Got it.

Too bad Robert didn’t attempt to answer. (I hate it when an author doesn’t respond to questions about his own article. Seems rude to me.) He said that one can’t “truly ascribe a motive to any action” Not true, I said.

Once you know what the bullet was used for, then you know why he used the bullet, and when you know why he used the bullet … you have ascribed my motive.

Scenario 1: A man is holding a knife to his wife’s throat, and he has a clear shot to that man’s head. I give him the bullet

Scenario 2: HE is holding his wife hostage. He hates her guts and will kill her. I give him the bullet.

My actions in either case were identical. I gave a man a bullet. Yet, in one case I did good, and in the other evil. Motive.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
January 3, 2018 4:21 pm

Why would anyone without a gun be carrying a bullet, and why would anyone without any bullets be carrying a gun?

I think there is collusion involved here somewhere.

Llpoh
Llpoh
January 3, 2018 3:09 pm

The definition given is far too narrow. Evil knows no such narrow bounds.

For instance, mere inaction can be evil. If I were to allow a small child, who escaped its parent, to play in a busy street, that would be evil. I have saved a kid or two in my time. To have not done so would surely have been evil.

Failing to do good can certainly be evil.

Etc.

Stucky
Stucky
  Llpoh
January 3, 2018 3:18 pm

You become Pure Evil when dealing with dumbfuks.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Stucky
January 3, 2018 3:21 pm

I think I am doing God’s smiting in those cases. It is a noble crusade.

Stucky
Stucky
  Llpoh
January 3, 2018 3:24 pm

Ahhhh, you and Lloyd, doing God’s work here on earf. Well, you’re a helluva good Smiter at any rate.

Uncola
Uncola
  Llpoh
January 3, 2018 3:23 pm

Good point about inaction. Now I am wondering if, for evil to occur, it would require first knowledge, and then choice (to not act). Or, in other words, is ignorance any excuse? If not, then evil would encompass a very broad definition, indeed.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Uncola
January 3, 2018 3:28 pm

Wilfull indifference can also be evil.

RiNS
RiNS
  Llpoh
January 3, 2018 9:09 pm

The problem with Wilfull indifference and its evil is that it is so common it is impossible to find a meaningful baseline.. it would be far easier to count the grains of sand on a beach..

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Llpoh
January 3, 2018 3:28 pm

Poh, that is kinda the point. Failing to do good is not evil. It might be something else, like it might be against your moral code, or my moral code. It might be prohibited by a society which exists on the margins and can’t afford to pay the price for altruism, kinda like the planes Indians of America or the Spartans. You yourself would know that history far better than I.

My moral code would also prohibit my inaction in the face of need. I think of it as a good moral code. But that does not mean that to fail to act is evil. All of us who are trained as lifeguards learn very early that two drowned swimmers is not a better outcome than one drowned swimmer. You always approach a drowning person with caution and you always know how to make them let go of you if they can’t see the benefit that you seek to provide.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Hollywood Rob
January 3, 2018 3:35 pm

HB – I said it could be evil, not is always.

Not only would a person failing to save my child have been evil, he or she may well have died for such evil. I would not have let that slide. Morality defines what is evil. If you think it is not evil to allow a child to die that could be easily saved, well then…

Llpoh
Llpoh
January 3, 2018 3:19 pm

Attempted but failed actions can also be evil – attempted murder for instance. Certain ideas can be evil, with or without implementation. Pedophilia comes to mind as one such idea that is evil.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Llpoh
January 3, 2018 3:32 pm

All true but each of these examples are covered under the proposed definition. Taking a life that is not offered willingly – well duh. And taking innocence from a child. What could be more evil than that?

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Hollywood Rob
January 3, 2018 3:37 pm

HB – can you read? His definition was the actual action and result, not the contemplation or attempt.

Stucky
Stucky
January 3, 2018 3:36 pm

What is greater than God, more evil than the devil, the poor have it, the rich need it and if you eat it you’ll die?

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Stucky
January 3, 2018 3:38 pm

Pussy?

DRUD
DRUD
  Stucky
January 3, 2018 5:42 pm

Nothing. Heard it before. Here’s another (I made up the last two lines, I think it adds something):

This is a thing that nothing is and yet it has a name.
It’s sometimes tall and sometimes short and plays at every game.
Everybody has one, no one is without.
It can only be created by that which casts it out.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
January 3, 2018 3:45 pm

Yes, pussy is evil and yes you can eat it. Although it won’t make you fat.

TS
TS
January 3, 2018 5:34 pm

Evil is a spiritual concept. All I see are explanations that describe symptoms, or behaviors, or someone’s guess at the motivation. For example; generally, killing another human being is considered bad if it is done to an innocent. The same behavior is considered good if it is done to protect an innocent. Same behavior, different ‘motivation’. Etc.
Evil, by definition, is the opposite of good. What is good? There must be an absolute moral foundation to base everything else on, or it’s just whatever anyone personally happens to think it should be. We have just seen a damn near 400 comment post about biblical accuracy or the lack thereof, and what proofs would be needed…yadda yadda. Everyone felt such a need to throw their two thousand cents in. Either God the Father is Good, or there is no such thing as ‘good’, and therefore no such thing as ‘evil’. Anything/one else is not capable of being an absolute moral standard. And if so this whole search for whatever anybody is searching for means jack shit. Either there is an absolute moral standard, or there is complete lack of any need for any restraint, and we can blithely do whatever frickin’ thing pleases us, completely motivated by self, and self alone. Hey, its your free will, choose whatever you want. But please, prove my logic wrong. With logic, not emotion or what you think. I value critical thinking and logical conclusions based on the best evidence available.
Or heave whatever shit-flingin’ seems ‘good’ to you. 🙂
I’m sure it will be entertaining.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
January 3, 2018 5:46 pm

Jules Winnfield
“I been saying that shit for years. And if you heard it, that meant your ass. I never gave much thought to what it meant. I just thought it was some cold-blooded shit to say to a motherfucker before I popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some shit this morning made me think twice. See, now I’m thinking, maybe it means you’re the evil man, and I’m the righteous man, and Mr. 9 Millimeter here? He’s the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could mean you’re the righteous man and I’m the shepherd and it’s the world that’s evil and selfish. Now I’d like that. But that shit ain’t the truth. The truth is…you’re the weak, and I am the tyranny of evil men. But I’m trying, Ringo. I’m trying real hard to be the shepherd.”

Ezzekiel 25:17

Nick Danger
Nick Danger
January 3, 2018 6:16 pm

After all is said and done, every nuance has or has not been considered and every moral compass is consulted or ignored, the overriding reason for every action or inaction by a sentient being or an instinctual beast comes down to this : It seemed like a good idea at the time.

auman
auman
January 3, 2018 7:58 pm

The following 2 lines show how libertarians can be strong on economics and politics but way off the mark on psychology:

“In the end, it is the act which is evil. Your motive is irrelevant. Your nature is irrelevant.”

“The conscious taking by one person of anything belonging to another person, through any means, without that thing being freely given.”

With both those statements, western morality is completely flipped on its head, an incredibly dangerous notion.

A good book on evil is ‘People of the Lie’ by M. Scott Peck, author of The Road Less Traveled. I can’t give a quick, one-line definition, but a good excerpt from the book can be found here: http://www.geftakysassembly.com/Articles/Perspectives/MalignantNarcissism.htm
A common trait of evil people is that they can commit endless mental contortions to prevent themselves from facing the truth, um, like Hillary’s recent book…

Uncola
Uncola
  auman
January 3, 2018 9:00 pm

In that book (the first edition anyway) Peck describes some parents who gave their only remaining son a very nice gun. All good, except it’s the exact same one by which the kid’s brother recently killed himself.

The parents might have been thinking: “It’s a nice gun, his brother would have wanted him to have it.”

The kid might have been thinking: “Do they want me gone too?”

Evil?

You decide.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
January 3, 2018 8:54 pm

I do apologize to Stucky for not responding. And I would like to thank you all for your thoughts.

Alfred1860
Alfred1860
January 3, 2018 10:43 pm

I have to admit, after reading the proposed “universal” definition of evil, I didn’t see the point of reading the rest of it. As some have said, evil is a spiritual concept. I also would assert that it is a personal attribute or character trait (like being intelligent or lazy or red-headed) more so than a periodic action. I’m not saying that its genetic (although that may be the case). There are certainly degrees of evil, but that gradient starts at the question, Is this person evil or not?

Some people are evil, but most people aren’t. By this definition all but a few out of a million have committed acts of EVIL by the time they reach age 5.

nkit
nkit
January 4, 2018 12:44 am

Often, one man’s evil is another man’s good. If I executed Hillary or Barry is that evil or good to you, especially if you have deemed their actions, which caused me to take my action, as exceedingly more evil, illegal and immoral than my action, such that they justify my action? Was not my action, perhaps morally justified despite its illegality? Especially if their evil ran rampant and unchecked due to their power and money? Who decides what is evil in such a circumstance? If Kate Steinle’s dad killed her murderer, does that make him evil? Is revenge evil?

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  nkit
January 4, 2018 9:38 am

nkit, great point. Is revenge evil? Well, yes it is and that is why most societies have instituted a system to separate the original evil action from the original victim. “Yes you have had evil done to you but don’t worry the system will make sure that the person responsible for the evil that was done is properly punished.” In most societies you are punished if you take revenge.

I would suggest that where society breaks down is when the people who take from others are no longer punished for their evil actions. What could be a worse taking than Hilary’s theft from the Haitian people? What could be more evil than Podesta’s theft of children’s innocence?

I just watched “The Ballad of Lefty Brown.” It is a clear example of what you are asking. Take a look. Somebody on TBP suggested it several days ago and I add my two thumbs up. In the case of this character, he decides that it is on him to do the right thing by his best friend and he does not stop until justice is served. But it is not done as an act of revenge. It is done because it is a just response to an act of evil taking.

Carl
Carl
  Hollywood Rob
January 4, 2018 11:17 am

Where does justice end and revenge begin? The difference is in the motive.

DD
DD
February 14, 2019 9:03 pm

Rob, only good things come from a clear definition of evil.

It is the banality of evil that causes great harm.