All Fired Up . . . Again

Guest Post by Eric Peters

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Another Tesla has crashed – and burned.

And, killed.

Two Florida teens lost their lives on May 9 when the Model S they were traveling in erupted into flames after striking a concrete barrier. As in previous incidents – at least three others – a large portion of the car was quickly and almost completely consumed before the fire was put out.

Since Teslas are electric cars and don’t burn gas, this one wasn’t burned to a cinder by gasoline.

It was the lithium-ion battery pack that caught fire.

This happens when the physical structure of the battery pack is compromised and the materials within come into uncontrolled contact. Just the same as exposing gasoline to an ignition source. It can happen as the result of a design defect, or an impact such as an accident.

What’s not the same is the way electric car battery packs are shaped – and where they’re installed in the car.

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Which is everywhere.

Like most electric cars, the Tesla’s battery pack runs the length and width of the floorpan. This is necessary because electric car battery packs are very big – and very heavy. Spreading them out flat and wide puts all that weight lower to the ground and leaves room inside the car for passengers and cargo.

But the downside is that you’ve got a car that’s vulnerable to an impact-caused battery fire no matter where it’s hit. The infamously exploding Pintos of the ’70s caught fire when hit from behind. Because that’s where the gas tank – the weak point – was.

In an electric car like the Tesla, the “gas tank” is everywhere.

The danger can be reduced by designing the car to withstand impact forces which could damage the physical structure of the battery pack and trigger thermal runaway – the term for a lithium-ion battery fire. But it’s trickier, because a battery fire can be triggered by  lesser things, including vibration/jostling as well as extremely minor defects imparted during the manufacturing process.

An IC car’s gas tank, in contrast, is a much simpler and more rugged thing. It is generally safe unless physically punctured and the fuel leaks out and comes into contact with an ignition source.

Denting a gas tank has no effect on the gasoline within.

In this respect, gas tanks are inherently safer than electric car battery packs.

Also, they are safer in the sense that a gas tank is more compact and physically located in one area of the car – generally, in the rear of the car – while an EV’s battery pack is located everywhere. It’s therefore just as vulnerable to fire if hit from the front as behind – or from the side.

Passengers are more vulnerable as well because no matter where they are in the car, they are always close to the battery pack.

Once the fire starts, it will quickly spread the length of the car because the battery is everywhere there is car.

It’s interesting that this very real and uniquely EV saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety threat isn’t of great “concern” to the government.

Or the other saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety threat, which exists even when an electric is parked.

As when “fast” charging.

This imparts heat, which isn’t safe because it can lead to a fire – which is why “fast” charging is never full charging. Read the proverbial fine print. Most – if not all – lithium-ion EVs can only be “fast” charged to 80 percent capacity. Put another way, you have to give up 20 percent of the EV battery’s potential charge – and thus, the car’s range – to saaaaaaaaaafely use of the “fast” charger.

Imagine the keening, funereal wail that would erupt if a car company sold a vehicle which could only accept 80 percent of a full tank unless you added the fuel very slowly, over the course of several hours… else risk a fire.

Nickel-cadmium batteries can be fully “fast” charged but they don’t deliver the performance/range that lithium-ion batteries do.

Catch-22.

Another catch is that lithium-ion batteries can’t be recharged at all in sub-freezing temperatures. It needs to be at least 32 degrees F for the chemistry to work.

Read here for more.

It’s interesting that this fact also isn’t being discussed much by the acolytes of the electric car given that roughly two-thirds of the country experiences winter. There is a reason why electric cars tend to be found in parts of the country that stay warm all year long, such as California and Florida.

Meanwhile, two more bodies at the morgue.

There will be more, if these lithium-ion-powered EVs are ever produced in the numbers desired by the Fanbois and egged-on by a complaisant press indifferent to the saaaaaaaaaaaaaafety problems which afflict these things – and which in any other circumstance would trigger 60 Minutes-style investigatory jihads.

Remember what they did to Ford over the fire-prone Pinto? And Audi – over cars that did not “unintentionally accelerate”? (The company was nearly bankrupted over false accusations made by incompetent drivers who mistook the accelerator pedal for the brake pedal.)

Several VW executives and engineers are being criminally prosecuted for harming no one, but “cheating” on government tests. The bastards!

Meanwhile, Teslas are killing people.

Not because of a design defect.

But because of the way they’re designed.

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jamesthedeplorablewanderer
jamesthedeplorablewanderer
May 10, 2018 8:48 pm

Lithium-ion batteries are a technical challenge that hasn’t been solved yet. Everything from being prone to overheating during charging to growing “dendrites” of lithium metal when the ions move around and recombine inside them during use.
Battery technology in general is fascinating stuff, but lithium batteries are still too similar to cobras to want one in your car. Small ones in laptops and phones are bad enough!

Penforce
Penforce
May 10, 2018 9:28 pm

There is some new tech coming. Saw a report on using a dry activator rather than liquid. Claim is that battery has similar capacity with no chance of explosion or burning.

Collateral Damage
Collateral Damage
  Penforce
September 9, 2018 1:01 pm

If it can’t do a thermal run away with “high” amps, what’s the point? It’s not just the toxic chemicals that produce more heavy metal poisoning, but the heat from a crash.

Dry activator? That’s like using MEK to power an Internal combustion engine where it’s only safe below room temperature, except now you have trickle charge only.

4 hour run time for 36 hour fast charge. See a problem with that?

Anonymous
Anonymous
May 10, 2018 9:29 pm

Tesla’s should have warning labels on the dash about this.

Maybe something like “Warning: This vehicle is subject to spontaneously bursting into a giant mushrooming ball of flame at any moment”.

That way their victims can be considered to have given informed consent when they get themselves immolated.

Roberto de Medici
Roberto de Medici
May 10, 2018 9:36 pm

I DON’T THINK TELSA IS GOING TO BE AROUND MUCH LONGER
THEY ARE ABOUT TO GO BANKRUPT

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Roberto de Medici
May 11, 2018 8:26 am

Uncle sugar will come to the rescue.

Westcoastdeplorable
Westcoastdeplorable
May 10, 2018 10:03 pm

Fun how you don’t hear much about Prius’s lithium ion batteries catching fire.
https://www-esv.nhtsa.dot.gov/Proceedings/24/files/24ESV-000210.PDF

Collateral Damage
Collateral Damage
  Westcoastdeplorable
September 9, 2018 1:07 pm

They are 20% of the size of the cheap “base” Tesla. Even less than the “Insane mode” X models.

A straw man argument with deliberate ignorance thrown in to deflect for fanbois.

whiskey tango foxtrot
whiskey tango foxtrot
May 10, 2018 11:24 pm

We need common sense battery laws now. Banning electric assault vehicles is a start.

22winmag - refugee from ZeroHedge who just couldn't take the explosion of doom porn and the avalanche of near-hourly Bitcoin stories
22winmag - refugee from ZeroHedge who just couldn't take the explosion of doom porn and the avalanche of near-hourly Bitcoin stories
May 11, 2018 4:44 am

I’ll take my chances with gasoline, thank you very much.

Frederico
Frederico
May 11, 2018 7:27 am

This type of stuff has been going on since cars were first invented. Take 2 male teens late at night, add in a car that can accelerate from 0 to 60mph in 2.5 seconds. Then, I would guess (from my teen experience) there was probably a little alcohol involved. And, voila… A horrific, fatal crash. I’m actually surprised there weren’t more kids in the car.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Frederico
May 11, 2018 7:51 am

There were. One wasn’t belted into the death machine and he got spit out the window and survived. One has to wonder if teslas should be sold with seat belts. Maybe ejection seats would be a better solution.

garyb
garyb
  Hollywood Rob
May 11, 2018 3:05 pm

or an onboard fire suppression system-i’d be all over that:>:>

Collateral Damage
Collateral Damage
  garyb
September 9, 2018 1:10 pm

Li-Ion burns under water. This is why these batteries can NOT be shipped legally in airmail.

Stucky
Stucky
May 11, 2018 12:01 pm

Where’s starfcker???

Anyway, I’m sure it’s just a very minor problem that can be easily fixed with just 20 or 30 billion more dollars from savvy investors, like starfcker.

Boo Radley
Boo Radley
May 11, 2018 2:09 pm

@wtf 5/10 11:24 PM

I see what you did there and think it was nothing short of fabulous! I am amazed that I am the only one who has commented on it thus far.