The Money Pit

Guest Post by Eric Peters

I know someone who is dead broke and living in a small apartment, on the government dole – despite having both earned and inherited many hundreds of thousand dollars over the course of her lifetime. In part, this person is broke because she spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on new cars over the course of her lifetime.

Five expensive new cars, starting with a 1974 Oldsmobile 98 (base price $5,869 when new; equivalent to $30,763 in 2018) followed by a ’77 Olds 98 (base price $6,786 when new;  $29,230 in 2018 dollars) then a 1983 ’98 ($13,018 when new; $33,541 in today’s inflated dollars) then a 1987 Lincoln Mark VII LSC (base price $25,683 or $58,607 now) and – finally, at the end of the proverbial road – a 2000 Lexus RX300 ($33,000 when new – the equivalent of $49,263 today).

Whoosh – there went $201,404 and change.

This is a low figure, too. It is calculated on the base price of each car – not the optioned-out price. Since I know the person – and the cars involved – personally, I know for a fact that she paid considerably more than the base price for each of these cars. The total is probably closer to $225,000.

And the figure does not count the insurance, property taxes and cost of maintaining and repairing those cars, which – figuring very conservatively – must have been at least $5,000 per car over its lifetime.

Add another $25,000 to the tab.

It is halting.

Almost – and probably more than – half-a-million dollars that could have gone toward appreciating assets or at least toward savings was instead spent on disposable appliances not fundamentally different from toasters – with the one important difference that toasters won’t bankrupt you while new cars will.

Especially high-end new cars, which depreciate titanically – exactly the right word.

Because their value sinks almost as fast as the famed luxury liner did. It is as predictable as Pravda during the Brezhnev years that if you buy any high-end luxury car this year, in about six years, it will be worth about half what you paid for it.

The main reason for this is that  the initial value of high-end luxury cars is mostly a function of their being “the  very latest thing.” And once they’re not . . . .

Also, ordinary cars now generally come standard with most of the high-end features which used to be exclusive to high-end luxury cars. For example, power everything, climate control AC, a very good factory sound system, heated seats and leather, etc. All these things are available in $20,000 Corollas – which makes it hard to understand what you’re getting when you buy a $50,000 Mercedes but easy to understand why the $50,000 Mercedes will be worth $20,000 (or less) five or six years from now.

My broke friend would have done much better buying a Corolla – or a used Mercedes.

The other big mistake she made – which you may have noticed from the timeline – is not keeping the cars she bought long enough to make them work for her rather than bleed her. Trading in a high-end car every five years or so – as she did – coincides exactly with the lowest point of the depreciation trough.

She bought high – and sold low.

Had she kept the cars 50 percent longer – ten years instead of five or so – she might not have lost 50 percent of her “investment.” And if she’d kept them long enough, she might have recovered some of her investment.

The rate of depreciation decreases after about eight years – and eventually stabilizes. You reach a point at which the value of the vehicle remains fairly constant so long as the vehicle is still functionally sound. And it is at this point that the vehicle becomes – if not an “investment” – then at least a kind of fungible asset. If it’s worth say $3,500 this year it will probably be worth about the same next year, assuming it remains functionally sound. This is true even though miles will be added. After a certain point, that matters less and less – so long as the vehicle remains functionally sound.

Such vehicle are also sound purchases – in part because it doesn’t take much to purchase them (most people can buy them outright, so no payments and no ongoing debt; also much lower cost to insure and negligible taxes, which are based on average retail value) and in part because they have already depreciated to the extent they are going to depreciate until they’re no longer functionally sound.

As an example of that – vs.  the example of my now-broke friend – I submit myself. I’ve never bought a new car, high-end or otherwise. I’ve always bought older, already depreciated cars, as follows:

1973 VW Beetle (bought used for $700 circa 1986; $1,609 in today’s dollars) then a ’74 Super Beetle (bought used circa 1992 for $1,200; which amounts to $2,189 in 2018 dollar) followed by a used ’98 Nissan Frontier (bought used in 2003 for $7,000 – or  $9,707 in current dollars) and then my current vehicle, another Nissan Frontier ($7,500 in 2008, equivalent to $9,336 today).

So, just under $23k (plus insurance, taxes and maintenance) over the same span of time as in the example of my friend who whooshed  through a quarter-million.

Sure, she got to drive high-end new cars and I drove older cars without the cachet or the climate control.

But I’m not the one who’s broke – and living on the government dole.

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Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
July 25, 2018 6:49 pm

Everyone run out and buy a beat ass shit box. Ignire completely worn out seats and interior, rusty grungy dungeon bat exterior and oh so worn out suspension. Because, poor? Fuckin poor people drive worn out clunkers. Treat yourself to the luxury of a functional vehicle that aint beat. I usually digs what homey says, but not this time.

Stucky
Stucky
  Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
July 25, 2018 7:09 pm

You can buy old cars …. I’m talking cars that are 20 years old, or older …. that are in damned good condition, sometimes near mint, with low miles, at a very very low cost. All it takes is time, an internet connection, and rudimentary search skills.

22winmag - when you ask certain persons which floor they'd like, and they respond with "ladies lingerie"- they're referencing the AEROSMITH SONG!!!
22winmag - when you ask certain persons which floor they'd like, and they respond with "ladies lingerie"- they're referencing the AEROSMITH SONG!!!
  Stucky
July 25, 2018 7:47 pm

1977 to at least the early 1990s was a particularly ugly era for cars.

Personally, I’d go either pre-’77 American or try to find a creampuff late 90s Lexus-Infiniti.

Wip
Wip

Toyota and Nissan make some of the very best engine and transmission combos. Ya know, the guys of a car. I’m told GM makes the #1 best transmission and supplies some foreign cars with transmissions.

Saving money on cars kicks ass.

Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
  Wip
July 25, 2018 8:27 pm

I had a 94 toyota pickup. Great vehicle. Frame rusted out gone in 9 years with 94000 miles. Junkyard fodder. My friends pathfinder did the same thing.

Work-In-Progress
Work-In-Progress
  Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
July 25, 2018 9:37 pm

Cheapskate. You should have opted for the undercoating. Lol.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
July 26, 2018 5:29 am

You must live in the North. A terrific side-benefit of living in the South is no salt … cars last forever w/ MUCH LESS maintenance cost, etc. I never see this discussed, but having lived for decades in both climes, it’s a fact and also cause-and-effect.

Another example, in the North you get a new muffler every 2 years … after 22 years in the South I’ve never bought a new muffler.

Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
  Anonymous
July 26, 2018 10:10 am

Yep. Northerner from salt world. They sand the roads here as well, which guarantees that any two things that rub together get filed/sanded down. Bushings and sway bars get ground down until you can see gaps. Control arms wobble. Anything rubber to metal gets destroyed. Anything steel rusts away. 20 year old cars are virtually undrivable without restoration.

James
James

Ugly?77 4×4 truckswere/are mint!A trans Am or Z-28 with t’s,a Blazer/Jimmy or,dare I say it,sigh!…..Bronco ugly?!A older c-j7 ugly?!

By now,you realize while not as mint as early 70’s/late 60’s cars/4×4’s am a big fan.

Older rabbit,ugly but still a great car,pinto/pacer,yep,they were ugly with no redeeming value excepting laugh factor.

As I have said ad naseum,get a old classic you like and build it up/rebuild it ect.You will save 10’s of thousands over new,,have a classic,and,just love life a little more!

Wip
Wip
  James
July 25, 2018 11:15 pm

James,

If you are located anywhere near northern Virginia AND you have serious career automotive skills, let’s get in contact. I am thinking there is a possible opportunity to build older cars for profit. NO, not because of all the car shows on Velocity TV or the History channel. People want larger, more comfortable, more powerful, better looking, less big daddy government cars.

James
James
  Wip
July 26, 2018 9:42 am

Wip,am located in the hills of N.H. and do a fair amount of work when working outside Boston,am a licensed builder with a bunch of other cert.’s but mostly stick with home repair that is usually at most a two day gig,bigger gigs never tell a customer no just give em names of crews that I know do good work,they toss me little stuff that tis not worth their time.

As for auto skills am a backyard mechanic(though did have a few ASE cert.’s way back when).I can replace engines/tranny’s(auto,not gender!) and all the basic meat and potato break jobs/fuel pumps/water pumps ect. work.I do rebuild me own calipers as less then 10 bucks instead of 60+ to pay someone else to replace a few seals ect.,that said,am not a technician.I usually work with a floor jack and stands,can do most work this way excepting say front wheel drive clutch/trans replacements,then,a lift is needed.That said,do not work on a lot of front wheel drives.

As for full size cars for folks a bit older,best way in me opinion is shop around retirement areas for lower mileage units,would avoid Florida due to all the flood wrecks they got but even some of them good with a thorough inspection.My guess is excepting diehard fans of say full size olds ect. not a huge market and thus not worth say a new engine/tranny swap unless it is a car you or know someone personally love,I save that for the slightly rarer cars/trucks.

The hard fight selling great quality older used cars(20 years and back) is most folks need financing excepting say the real rare/collectible stuff,folks buying that have cash.

I have a fair amount of money to play with and am thinking of going on a hunt for the nice rarer but not super collectible vehicle,will buy something I love and give it some more love and see if it sells,it doesn’t will just have another nice vehicle in the coral and will not sweat it!

That all said,am always open to thoughts/ideas car related and beyond,have a few ideas meself.I at moment dealing with minor(hopefully!)health issue but hope to be on the groove again soon,so,any thoughts give a yell.I am single so time/traveling ect. not a big issue as long as it has solid goals.

I will say,any shop cannot have a stars and bars flag,a bonnie blue is though acceptable(sorry,couldn’t resist!).

Wip
Wip
  James
July 26, 2018 2:06 pm

Good stuff. I assume you are referencing my last Wip Wondering. Will look out for you if I come up with a solid plan with a solid goal. It may be best to simply do swaps for personal rides. One of the biggest reasons, for me, to want to have and hold older cars is the computer shit, emissions shit, taxes shit and lack of power plus all the techie things that can go wrong. I sure wish someone would make a bare bones, cheap as shit and safe car. I’d buy new if I could get a combo like that.

Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
  Stucky
July 25, 2018 8:22 pm

In states that salt the roads you will not find one single cream puff 20 year old vehicle. Not driving 1500 miles south on the gamble of the car being as advertised on the net. Buy a new or newer car or truck and drive that into the ground. At least that way you get some of the good miles out of the thing. I drove old cars when i was young and poor. You cant take it all with you. Do yourself a favor and drive something decent so i dont have to pass you because your turd wagon wont navigate turns in the road anywhere near the speed limit. Something roadworthy and reliable. And put some decent tires on your shit boxes for goodness sake. I am sick of pulling people out of ditches every winter.

Work-In-Progress
Work-In-Progress
  Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
July 25, 2018 9:39 pm

Why do you live in such a broke ass part of the country? Everyone is a broke ass, right? Saving money and being cheap is how some of the largest fortunes in the world were made. SMH. Saving money (or getting other people to pay) is always in style.

Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
  Work-In-Progress
July 26, 2018 10:21 am

Its inexpensive to live in a broke ass part of the country. This also started as my doomstead. Morphed into my home. Lots of freedom and little law enforcement. There are no negros here. None. There is near zero crime. There is no drug problem. It is 99% republican conservatives who drink together saturday and go to church together sundays. But best of all, my total property and school tax is about 2650 bucks a year on 15 acres with a nice little new house and 3 outbuildings. In new york state no less. My previous house was 11,400 per year taxes. On 2000 sq ft and .5 acres.
Hunting is great, 4 wheelin, snowmobiling, drinking and driving. Its all good.

Wip
Wip
  Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
July 26, 2018 2:08 pm

Sounds quite nice actually. Give the poor folk a break, will ya? Lots of people be gettin fucked over by the big game going on.

James
James
  Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
July 26, 2018 9:47 am

Martin,there is some good stuff even in the salt lands,some just don’t hit the road when salted and some owned by folks who spend a couple hundred a year having car thoroughly cleaned/any tiny rust ect. dealt with before it becomes a issue.The seasonal oiling for vehicles that need to face the salt along with keeping up on spring cleaning goes a long way,but,these are the rarities I agree,hence,the hunt for the good ones!

James
James
  Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
July 26, 2018 2:26 pm

Wip,yep ,was the reference,am kinda of a brat to say the least!

I get wanting to stay away from the computer stuff but the older not too bad to read/diagnose,even 70’s stuff may have had a brain in em(though basic/inexpensive).I recommend decide what you may like and then find a high mileage/excellent frame body if necc. one and mechanically go for it.I also recommend lets use a example of say a jeep,you want say same straight line 6 in it(good time for say a 4 bolt main v-8!)but i digress,price a block(long block) for one and see if in your budget/desire range.I have looking on CL/ebay ect. found in great condition also just about within reason any car/truck you want,but,you pay the dollars for it,building it means you build it “your way”. Anyhow,deciding what you want and then pricing out a few big ticket items will give you a idea whether a worthy goal or not worth it,as I said,a bit of a passion for me so unless totally priced out would go for it,happy hunting for your vehicle!I will say thinking about this made me look into rebuilding auto transmissions,have most of the tools already,hmmmm……….

Tageman
Tageman
  Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
July 25, 2018 8:05 pm

You can’t get an inspection sticker on a shitbox any longer and haven’t for a while
I bought a $2500.00 dollar caravan sxt four years a go if I need a part. EBay
About to buy a second house. I don’t make a lot of money. New cars for most people. Dumb

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Tageman
July 26, 2018 5:35 am

Inspection sticker? Property tax (on cars)? What’s that.

I used to live in those places … now I live where such nonsense doesn’t fly.

Wip
Wip
  Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
July 25, 2018 8:11 pm

You’re a dumbass.

22winmag - when you ask certain persons which floor they'd like, and they respond with "ladies lingerie"- they're referencing the AEROSMITH SONG!!!
22winmag - when you ask certain persons which floor they'd like, and they respond with "ladies lingerie"- they're referencing the AEROSMITH SONG!!!
July 25, 2018 7:17 pm

For the love of all that is good and holy… one Eric Peters article per week please!

Not two concurrent articles (like today) on the front page of this much esteemed blog.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Winnie’s next moniker may be: Refugee from TBP because of all the Eric Peters articles. Here’s a clue moran, you don’t have to open the article if it seems like an EP article. Damn women can’t resist the temptation to know the unknown.

Neuday
Neuday
July 25, 2018 7:23 pm

I get the feeling there’s more to the story of why this older woman is broke than her car choices.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Neuday
July 25, 2018 8:42 pm

Maybe, but depending upon her income, her car-buying habits alone could account for it.

BB
BB
July 25, 2018 7:42 pm

Stucky and to All ,I just saw a 7 minute video of .. Buzz Aldrin admitting they never went to the moon.He is talking to an 8 year old. ” Buzz Aldrin comes clean about the moon landing” at the YouTube ” Feed your mind 2.com ” . Watch some of the other videos.

Yahsure
Yahsure
July 25, 2018 8:30 pm

While she was losing money. It wasn’t the life breaker the story made it out to be. Maybe figure out a way to write the cars cost off? Lease a car?

whiskey tango foxtrot
whiskey tango foxtrot
July 25, 2018 8:35 pm

Hence the term, “Nigger Rich”.

billy bob
billy bob
July 25, 2018 8:54 pm

I know a married couple, who inherited $800k from their aunt.
it was gone in less than 10 years,
they moved to a bigger house, 5 bdr ($250k) but now have $10k property tax, instead of $3k for the previous 3 bdr. (oh, and they have an in ground pool now)
the rest went to new cars every 3 years,
and clothes and crap from the mall.
they only have the house and payments to show for it now, and shitty chevy klunkers.

When they finally realized the checks were bouncing, they started opening up the mail.
it was then that they discovered they were still paying for dial up AOL at their old address.

oh, it was not all bad.
they got her teeth fixed.

and he just built an outdoor kitchen, out of pallets…

jeesh, I hope he don’t read this, I’ll be getting sour looks for weeks.

Javelin
Javelin
July 25, 2018 9:51 pm

Circumstances can affect these choices as sound financially or not. For me, I drive a 2006 Mercedes E350…bought in 2013 for under $10k…. A “steal” when you figure it still only has 135,000 miles and is garage kept, very clean and regularly maintained for the basics. So far that’s 5 years, less than $2000 avg per year and dropping in my cost…. just what Eric suggests.
However my wife drives 45 mins each direction to work every day at a university hospital where she heads the dialysis unit. She sometimes is stuck seeing last minute add-ons and I don’t want her driving a 12 to 15 year old car home at midnight. She got a great deal on a 2017 model Malibu Eco boost “used” with about 100 miles but almost half price of the 2018…so even though I hate car payments and try and eliminate paying banksters any interest, for my wife’s safety and peace of mind, I am willing to have a few bucks leak out of the budget to ensure she gets home safely and without the added stress each night.

Wip
Wip
  Javelin
July 25, 2018 11:10 pm

That’s fear taking hold, imo. An old Toyota with less than 200,000 well maintained miles is perfectly reliable.

James
James
  Wip
July 26, 2018 9:52 am

The real older ones with the 20 or 22 R motor with decent car are awesome,again,a bit of a egg hunt to find em.While not for me a new car with 100 miles and a good price a deal as could turn around,detail the hell out of it(shouldn’t need much) and turn a few bucks out of the deal.

Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
  Wip
July 26, 2018 10:25 am

200,000 miles reliable? You are dreammin. Anything can break at any moment with that kind of mileage.

Wip
Wip
  Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
July 26, 2018 2:15 pm

Come on man. The guts of a car can last hundreds of thousands of miles. Next time you go to the bid shitty of NY, ask a cabbie how many miles he has on the old malibu(?). Or is it a Caprice? You know, the ones cops used to use. I got a 2004 Honda V6 to almost 300,000 before I gave it to my daughter. She turned around and sold for $900. I told her big mistake. I still see that car going down the road full of illegal aliens.

I did put a new transmission in it though.

Orangutan
Orangutan
July 26, 2018 12:35 am

Real estate and cars are typically the most expensive things in our lives – besides taxes. Real estate is both an asset (historically appreciating most of the time) and a liability (property taxes and upkeep costs). Vehicles are only a liability. They are a tool needed for our modern lives, but certain people and cultures see them as status symbols and extend themselves to possess expensive ones. Those people are fools. My one and only car is a true crapbox – mid 2000’s base model domestic two door econobox full of wear and tear formerly owned by a student. It is worth less that $1000. But its owner is worth $2.5 million. And its owner would never be worth that much if said owner bought new cars every 5 years instead of used crapboxes every 12 to 15. This example may seem extreme to some, but there is a lesson here. Thanks Eric, I feel a little more validated now.

Wip
Wip
  Orangutan
July 26, 2018 7:29 am

?

James
James
  Orangutan
July 26, 2018 10:01 am

Martin,there is some good stuff even in the salt lands,some just don’t hit the road when salted and some owned by folks who spend a couple hundred a year having car thoroughly cleaned/any tiny rust ect. dealt with before it becomes a issue.The seasonal oiling for vehicles that need to face the salt along with keeping up on spring cleaning goes a long way,but,these are the rarities I agree,hence,the hunt for the good ones!

James
James
  Orangutan
July 26, 2018 10:05 am

Orang,while I agree with your inexpensive transportation I also spend money on cars as they are to me a passion/toy like my 4×4 van project,this along with outdoor gear is also a hobby,my hobbies times get challenging may keep me a bit happier so a win all around.

I would say a car as a status symbol unless almost a requirement business wise(some business it is)is a waste,but,if it is a hobby passion a good thing.

Damn,I love motor vehicles!

Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
Martin brundlefly...eat moar chikin
  Orangutan
July 26, 2018 10:30 am

You gonna line your coffin with all that cash?

My vehicle is a truck. It is a tool, and nothing more. I buy snap-on tools, not harbor freight. I need reliable and long lasting vehicles to haul and tow. Its how i make a living. Would a smart travelling salesman drive a 1000 dollar car all over? Or a base model new vehicle?

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 26, 2018 6:04 am

“But I’m not the one who’s broke – and living on the government dole.”

No, but you’re the one paying for the bitch dumbass

Tony
Tony
July 26, 2018 2:53 pm

“Had she kept the cars 50 percent longer – ten years instead of five…” Is this the new maff where half of 5 is 5?

Crawfisher
Crawfisher
July 26, 2018 5:38 pm

There are many theories to owning cars. I take a TCO – total cost of ownership approach. If I buy a 1 to 2 year old low mileage reliable car, drive it for another 150k miles, I know the driving demands, the maintenance, and the relative risk / reliability. I get rid of cars when the risk Vs cost increases. Usually by the 3rd of 4th o/h cam belt replacement.

wholy1
wholy1
July 29, 2018 10:08 am

Reprised from “Their Zippers Bust, Their Buckles Break”:
Read some info online recently about the resale value of older cars without CPU’s/chips, monitoring/remote control devices and ridiculous “comfort/convenience” gimmickry increasing unproportionately as people get wise to both the gov/corp mandatory control and the excessive expense to service/repair such “technological” complication.