Stucky QOTD: The CIA

I’m sure many, if not most, of you have an opinion about the CIA — whether it is a force for Good, or Evil — without reading the attached article.  However, I think the article is informative, and worth a read.  Let’s get right to it ….

Q1:  Is the CIA complicit in destroying America?
Q2:  If “Yes” should we work for its reform …. or, demise?

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In today’s United States, the term “espionage” doesn’t get too much use outside of some specific contexts. There is still sporadic talk of industrial espionage, but with regard to Americans’ own efforts to understand the world beyond their borders, they prefer the term “intelligence.” This may be an intelligent choice, or not, depending on how you look at things.

First of all, US “intelligence” is only vaguely related to the game of espionage as it has been traditionally played, and as it is still being played by countries such as Russia and China. Espionage involves collecting and validating strategically vital information and conveying it to just the pertinent decision-makers on your side while keeping the fact that you are collecting and validating it hidden from everyone else.

In eras past, a spy, if discovered, would try to bite down on a cyanide capsule; these days torture is considered ungentlemanly, and spies that get caught patiently wait to be exchanged in a spy swap. An unwritten, commonsense rule about spy swaps is that they are done quietly and that those released are never interfered with again because doing so would complicate negotiating future spy swaps.In recent years, the US intelligence agencies have decided that torturing prisoners is a good idea, but they have mostly been torturing innocent bystanders, not professional spies, sometimes forcing them to invent things, such as “Al Qaeda.” There was no such thing before US intelligence popularized it as a brand among Islamic terrorists.

Most recently, British “special services,” which are a sort of Mini-Me to the to the Dr. Evil that is the US intelligence apparatus, saw it fit to interfere with one of their own spies, Sergei Skripal, a double agent whom they sprung from a Russian jail in a spy swap. They poisoned him using an exotic chemical and then tried to pin the blame on Russia based on no evidence.

There are unlikely to be any more British spy swaps with Russia, and British spies working in Russia should probably be issued good old-fashioned cyanide capsules (since that supposedly super-powerful Novichok stuff the British keep at their “secret” lab in Porton Down doesn’t work right and is only fatal 20% of the time).

There is another unwritten, commonsense rule about spying in general: whatever happens, it needs to be kept out of the courts, because the discovery process of any trial would force the prosecution to divulge sources and methods, making them part of the public record. An alternative is to hold secret tribunals, but since these cannot be independently verified to be following due process and rules of evidence, they don’t add much value.

A different standard applies to traitors; here, sending them through the courts is acceptable and serves a high moral purpose, since here the source is the person on trial and the method—treason—can be divulged without harm. But this logic does not apply to proper, professional spies who are simply doing their jobs, even if they turn out to be double agents. In fact, when counterintelligence discovers a spy, the professional thing to do is to try to recruit him as a double agent or, failing that, to try to use the spy as a channel for injecting disinformation.

Americans have been doing their best to break this rule. Recently, special counsel Robert Mueller indicted a dozen Russian operatives working in Russia for hacking into the DNC mail server and sending the emails to Wikileaks. Meanwhile, said server is nowhere to be found (it’s been misplaced) while the time stamps on the files that were published on Wikileaks show that they were obtained by copying to a thumb drive rather than sending them over the internet. Thus, this was a leak, not a hack, and couldn’t have been done by anyone working remotely from Russia.

Furthermore, it is an exercise in futility for a US official to indict Russian citizens in Russia. They will never stand trial in a US court because of the following clause in the Russian Constitution: “61.1 A citizen of the Russian Federation may not be deported out of Russia or extradited to another state.”

Mueller may summon a panel of constitutional scholars to interpret this sentence, or he can just read it and weep. Yes, the Americans are doing their best to break the unwritten rule against dragging spies through the courts, but their best is nowhere near good enough.

That said, there is no reason to believe that the Russian spies couldn’t have hacked into the DNC mail server. It was probably running Microsoft Windows, and that operating system has more holes in it than a building in downtown Raqqa, Syria after the Americans got done bombing that city to rubble, lots of civilians included. When questioned about this alleged hacking by Fox News, Putin (who had worked as a spy in his previous career) had trouble keeping a straight face and clearly enjoyed the moment.

He pointed out that the hacked/leaked emails showed a clear pattern of wrongdoing: DNC officials conspired to steal the electoral victory in the Democratic Primary from Bernie Sanders, and after this information had been leaked they were forced to resign. If the Russian hack did happen, then it was the Russians working to save American democracy from itself. So, where’s the gratitude? Where’s the love? Oh, and why are the DNC perps not in jail?

Since there exists an agreement between the US and Russia to cooperate on criminal investigations, Putin offered to question the spies indicted by Mueller. He even offered to have Mueller sit in on the proceedings. But in return he wanted to question US officials who may have aided and abetted a convicted felon by the name of William Browder, who is due to begin serving a nine-year sentence in Russia any time now and who, by the way, donated copious amounts of his ill-gotten money to the Hillary Clinton election campaign.

In response, the US Senate passed a resolution to forbid Russians from questioning US officials. And instead of issuing a valid request to have the twelve Russian spies interviewed, at least one US official made the startlingly inane request to have them come to the US instead. Again, which part of 61.1 don’t they understand?

The logic of US officials may be hard to follow, but only if we adhere to the traditional definitions of espionage and counterespionage—“intelligence” in US parlance—which is to provide validated information for the purpose of making informed decisions on best ways of defending the country. But it all makes perfect sense if we disabuse ourselves of such quaint notions and accept the reality of what we can actually observe: the purpose of US “intelligence” is not to come up with or to work with facts but to simply “make shit up.”

The “intelligence” the US intelligence agencies provide can be anything but; in fact, the stupider it is the better, because its purpose is allow unintelligent people to make unintelligent decisions. In fact, they consider facts harmful—be they about Syrian chemical weapons, or conspiring to steal the primary from Bernie Sanders, or Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, or the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden—because facts require accuracy and rigor while they prefer to dwell in the realm of pure fantasy and whimsy. In this, their actual objective is easily discernible.

The objective of US intelligence is to suck all remaining wealth out of the US and its allies and pocket as much of it as possible while pretending to defend it from phantom aggressors by squandering nonexistent (borrowed) financial resources on ineffective and overpriced military operations and weapons systems. Where the aggressors are not phantom, they are specially organized for the purpose of having someone to fight: “moderate” terrorists and so on.

One major advancement in their state of the art has been in moving from real false flag operations, à la 9/11, to fake false flag operations, à la fake East Gouta chemical attack in Syria (since fully discredited). The Russian election meddling story is perhaps the final step in this evolution: no New York skyscrapers or Syrian children were harmed in the process of concocting this fake narrative, and it can be kept alive seemingly forever purely through the furious effort of numerous flapping lips. It is now a pure confidence scam. If you are less then impressed with their invented narratives, then you are a conspiracy theorist or, in the latest revision, a traitor.

Trump was recently questioned as to whether he trusted US intelligence. He waffled. A light-hearted answer would have been:

“What sort of idiot are you to ask me such a stupid question? Of course they are lying! They were caught lying more than once, and therefore they can never be trusted again. In order to claim that they are not currently lying, you have to determine when it was that they stopped lying, and that they haven’t lied since. And that, based on the information that is available, is an impossible task.”

A more serious, matter-of-fact answer would have been:

“The US intelligence agencies made an outrageous claim: that I colluded with Russia to rig the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. The burden of proof is on them. They are yet to prove their case in a court of law, which is the only place where the matter can legitimately be settled, if it can be settled at all. Until that happens, we must treat their claim as conspiracy theory, not as fact.”

And a hardcore, deadpan answer would have been:

“The US intelligence services swore an oath to uphold the US Constitution, according to which I am their Commander in Chief. They report to me, not I to them. They must be loyal to me, not I to them. If they are disloyal to me, then that is sufficient reason for their dismissal.”

But no such reality-based, down-to-earth dialogue seems possible. All that we hear are fake answers to fake questions, and the outcome is a series of faulty decisions. Based on fake intelligence, the US has spent almost all of this century embroiled in very expensive and ultimately futile conflicts.

Thanks to their efforts, Iran, Iraq and Syria have now formed a continuous crescent of religiously and geopolitically aligned states friendly toward Russia while in Afghanistan the Taliban is resurgent and battling ISIS—an organization that came together thanks to American efforts in Iraq and Syria.

The total cost of wars so far this century for the US is reported to be $4,575,610,429,593. Divided by the 138,313,155 Americans who file tax returns (whether they actually pay any tax is too subtle a question), it works out to just over $33,000 per taxpayer. If you pay taxes in the US, that’s your bill so far for the various US intelligence “oopsies.”

The 16 US intelligence agencies have a combined budget of $66.8 billion, and that seems like a lot until you realize how supremely efficient they are: their “mistakes” have cost the country close to 70 times their budget. At a staffing level of over 200,000 employees, each of them has cost the US taxpayer close to $23 million, on average. That number is totally out of the ballpark! The energy sector has the highest earnings per employee, at around $1.8 million per. Valero Energy stands out at $7.6 million per. At $23 million per, the US intelligence community has been doing three times better than Valero. Hats off! This makes the US intelligence community by far the best, most efficient collapse driver imaginable.

There are two possible hypotheses for why this is so.

First, we might venture to guess that these 200,000 people are grossly incompetent and that the fiascos they precipitate are accidental. But it is hard to imagine a situation where grossly incompetent people nevertheless manage to funnel $23 million apiece, on average, toward an assortment of futile undertakings of their choosing. It is even harder to imagine that such incompetents would be allowed to blunder along decade after decade without being called out for their mistakes.

Another hypothesis, and a far more plausible one, is that the US intelligence community has been doing a wonderful job of bankrupting the country and driving it toward financial, economic and political collapse by forcing it to engage in an endless series of expensive and futile conflicts—the largest single continuous act of grand larceny the world has ever known. How that can possibly be an intelligent thing to do to your own country, for any conceivable definition of “intelligence,” I will leave for you to work out for yourself. While you are at it, you might also want to come up with an improved definition of “treason”: something better than “a skeptical attitude toward preposterous, unproven claims made by those known to be perpetual liars.”


Source: Club Orlov

Author: Stucky

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splurge
splurge
July 28, 2018 11:03 am

I don’t think the cia is an intelligence agency. They are an advertising agency with a side in manufacturing (fear), out ginning up business for the Mic.

Q1 : Yes
Q2 : Demise

ursel doran
ursel doran
July 28, 2018 11:10 am

EXCELLENT work again Sir!
Definitive article in support is here:

The All-Pervasive Military/Security Complex

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
July 28, 2018 11:16 am

Gee, I spent 30 years there and nobody ever gave me a penny beyond my government salary. I later learned that, apparently, I had been involved in running the international drug trade, presumably on a charity basis. In 30 years I never once heard of anybody spying on U.S. citizens (unless they were overseas and directly involved in spyng for a foreign power, terrorism, or narcotics trafficking). We were also involved in horribly mistreating innocent Latin American poor people. Funny, the only people I ever saw getting chased by us were Communist terrorists. I did, however, see plenty of douchebag American liberals supporting these murdering creeps. I looked around and saw – for the most part – patriotic, decent Americans doing a tough and extremely important job, for a tiny fraction of what the military spends. For most of the time I was in the number of actual CIA operations officers (the real CIA officers) was under 1500 or so. Figure half were in training facilities, at headquarters, on leave for sickness or taking a degree, assigned to military slots, or other things, and you had about 750 to cover the world. No, we did not have the time or inclination to spy on nobodies in Pigs Knuckle, Arkansas.
That said, let me point out what has happened to the Agency. Starting under Clinton, picking up speed under the idiot George W. Bush, and becoming total under Obama, the upper ranks of the Agency became a putrid mess of sycophants, yes-men, incompetents, and leftist Democrats. They had always been there but now they held high carnival. John Brennan is the epitomy of the treasonous wretches who took over the Agency. This the Russia hoax, I hope every one of these bastards goes to Federal prison.

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem
  Southern Sage
July 28, 2018 11:35 am

SS – you make a valid point – it’s primarily the political appointees at the upper levels of the CIA/NSA/FBI who have been and are the “traitors”. Unless and until Trump “cleans house” completely there will be no end to the attempts by the aforesaid to discredit him.

RS
RS
  A. R. Wasem
July 28, 2018 1:31 pm

CIA=Clowns In America

Totally anti-American Demoncrats and corrupt to the bone.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Southern Sage
July 28, 2018 11:43 am

Sage..
You’ve been reading your company press releases again.
I’m really sorry for you.

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
  Fleabaggs
July 29, 2018 11:02 am

Excuse me? Have you ever worked for the Agency? No. You don’t know a thing about it. I don’t need press releases after 30 years, much of it as a senior field manager. Keep your fantasies if you like.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Southern Sage
July 29, 2018 1:10 pm

So, given what it’s become should we seek its demise? I say yes, but I don’t think that can be accomplished. The IC won’t allow it.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Southern Sage
July 29, 2018 2:20 pm

Sage.
No one has to work for that agency to know how evil it is.
Where is your reply to Dog and Plato.
Disprove their claims.

starfcker
starfcker
  Southern Sage
July 28, 2018 9:32 pm

Great post, SS. I like anything that points the finger at the Clinton Administration as the turning point to our decline.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
  starfcker
July 29, 2018 9:54 am

I think it actually started with Papa Bush. The tag team of bush-clinton-bush-obama globalists have brought us to this deteriorated point in US history… Chip

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
  SmallerGovNow
July 29, 2018 11:02 am

You may well be right, but he was only there a year.

Socratic Dog
Socratic Dog
  SmallerGovNow
July 29, 2018 11:09 am

It started from the beginning. The original CIA came straight out of the ranks of Wall Street Jewery. It hasn’t changed.

It’s pretty clear the 17 intelligence agencies are working to take down the US as it was, and have been very successful. Why? Do you really need to ask that? Qui bono? International jewery in all its manifestations, of course.

Gut the 17 agencies. A free people don’t need secret police.

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
  SmallerGovNow
July 29, 2018 1:33 pm

Don’t forget about Prescott Bush and the Nazis

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

It’s been going on for generations.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Southern Sage
July 28, 2018 10:19 pm

good comment sage–
was that your letter over at to the point?
it was a good letter either way–

KaD
KaD
July 28, 2018 11:22 am

Yes and demise, and I thought so even before reading this.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  KaD
July 28, 2018 5:52 pm

Yes, extinguish them, and arrest the traitors….

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
July 28, 2018 4:29 pm

Give them all a Universal Basic Income and send them off to an island to play with Pinochio.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Maggie
July 29, 2018 8:17 am

Yes! Maggie is back. Missed your comments.

Econman
Econman
  Maggie
July 30, 2018 6:02 am

Drop them off in Iraq or Libya. Diversity!

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Stucky
July 28, 2018 9:34 pm

did any of you catch carlson’s line at the end,”this is what the finance economy has brought us.”

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 28, 2018 11:31 am

A question as an answer:

If your alligator has a nasty habit of biting you every time you get near it do you work on training it to behave or just get rid of it and look for a gentler pet in its place?

Ureconstructed
Ureconstructed
July 28, 2018 11:42 am

Q1: yes
Q2: JFK tried that already!!!

Maggie
Maggie
  Ureconstructed
July 28, 2018 4:30 pm

He did.

All is well, Unrevokable.

Bob P
Bob P
July 28, 2018 11:48 am

Great read.

Q1: Well, they killed JFK, MLK, RFK, and thousands of others (e.g., 9/11), and they’ve been waging futile, extraordinarily expensive wars via proxies for generations, resulting in millions more deaths, so yes, the evil death cult has been at the forefront of America’s collapse.

Q2: End the most iniquitous entity on the planet? Sure, why not? And for anyone who has the guts to try it, rest in peace.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
July 28, 2018 11:50 am

Stucky..
What a blue pill question and narrative.
We should only wish the CIA was nothing more than a lie machine.

CCRider
CCRider
July 28, 2018 12:04 pm

You have to ask the Ron Paul question first: What kind of government do you want? If you want this modern roman empire to the 10th power and if every square inch of ground on the planet as ‘vital u.s. interests’ and every u.s. citizen unworthy of 4th amendment rights and consider some murderous, secretive, unaccountable government goon squad an intelligence ‘community’ then by all means keep them. You can guess my opinion.

Oh and by the way just when the fuck did they ever get any operation to achieve the results they anticipated-at least back to Nov. 22, 1963?

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
  CCRider
July 29, 2018 9:58 am

BINGO! Chip

i forget
i forget
July 28, 2018 12:30 pm

Conservation of mass. Hit it center mass & call it no mas. Or just some other mas. Got this off Quora:

“First, matter can be created and destroyed. The old “can’t” principle is pre-Einsteinian physics. His Energy equals Mass times the Speed of Light Squared equation is the mathematical statement of just how the two go from one to the other. The sun depends on converting matter to energy and its fusion products are made up of newly created matter. As Carl Sagan once remarked on, everything we know, everything we are, was created within stars, so we are star stuff. (Not a direct quote, just a paraphrase.)

The next mistake is in the idea that matter “was created at some point” as in some kind of creation event. While many people hold to that idea, it’s far from a given. One attribute of theories based on the idea of a Big Bang is that while these theories describe a Singularity projected back at some point in time and that all conditions we can measure and describe project back to that Singularity, these theories do not necessarily describe any kind of creation. This is because the term “singularity” refers to a point in the calculation where terms go to infinity, a condition where we can no longer continue to draw meaningful projections. It doesn’t say “this is where it all began” but rather “this is a place we can no longer extract meaningful results.” It’s possible that the universe simply always existed. It’s possible that time itself didn’t really start until the Big Bang.

Assertions are easy to make. Backing those assertions with data is much more difficult.”

Starstuff. Not stars & stripes stuff. Beginnings & endings? Hear that giant sucking sound? Coriolis, man, coriolis.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  i forget
July 28, 2018 1:24 pm

Add to that the idea that there may be as many universes as galaxies in our universe. Conclusion? We don’t know squat about anything and the more we know, the more we realize how damn little we know.

i forget
i forget
  Harrington Richardson
July 28, 2018 2:11 pm

“Nobody knows anything…… Not one person in the entire motion picture field knows for a certainty what’s going to work. Every time out it’s a guess and, if you’re lucky, an educated one.” ~ William Goldman, Adventures in the Screen Trade

Motion. Movement. Constant. “Action.”

Trying to carve out slower movement, or stillness, via institutionalization’s magic word mantras is something like Elvis & Frankie & Annette pantomiming on a stationary board whilst a nonexistent 1D following sea illutes (illusions) the galoots.

There’s no isolationism, compartmentalization. Plenty of illusiuonism, tho.

Any port in a storm perception winds up\down porting real storm right to you. Universe might be electrical, but no question it’s ironical.
& counter-intuitive.
& counter-perceptual.

Maggie
Maggie
  i forget
July 28, 2018 4:33 pm

Good points.

Maganon
Maganon
  i forget
July 29, 2018 7:08 am

It was a slow hissing leak rather than a giant sucking sound, but the end result the same.

i forget
i forget
  Maganon
July 29, 2018 12:03 pm

A coriolising we will go. Speed of the vortex, up\down, does vary. So does perception of it. But whether it’s led zeppelin or lava lamp, the point is hi & low pressure are locked into permanent turf war. & the coriolis corollary is that there is no end result. Just movement.

Michael Keane
Michael Keane
July 28, 2018 1:12 pm

“Taxes” are yet another phony narrative: sleight of hand in service to the Elites’ slush fund.

The “securities” and “current quoin” of these United States is counterfeit; the Elites Insolvent. The Banking Filth and their lawyers are busted, NOT “We The People”. 1 8 6

The amount owed to counterfeiting is in excess of 1200 Trillions (insurance frauds, aka, “Naked Short Sale Bets” in “futures’ speculation”). These intentional “short sale bets” manifest as “Credit Default Swaps” after they exit international Tax evasion and SEC Fraud “Bucketeering”. (The “Bucket” is international “securities’ clearinghouses”, see “the Depository Trust Company”, here in the states; “Euroclear” as an example, in Europe.

Suggesting “Socialism” is a threat to the criminal international Corporate Kleptomockracy is an argument so old it farts dust. “Capitalism” is equally a non-threat.

The Currency is counterfeit- insult to injury adds: “counterfeit by imposters”. The mortgage-backed “SECURITIES” are also counterfeit- Eric Holder’s Law Firm created the counterfeiting mechanism, the MERS. Eric Schneiderman ignored the MERS and NY Trust Law for a decade; Loretta Lynch concealed the slush fund as it launders terror and drug money. James Comey facilitated over a decade’s worth in funding the death of American Soldiers.

The sorry populace listed above, in Obama-Nation, are joined with international banking spies in English FSB, as subservient, in turn, to BIS-Basel, Switzerland.

As regards the two questions: Q1; Answer: the CIA is complicit in concealing the fact the Elite Banking Criminals have already destroyed themselves; America? not so much.

Q2; Answer: Your analysis admits no “we” as capable of anything other than sifting through the farted dust.

The narrative must evolve. The intentionally mislabeled “Financial Crisis” was engineered by the owners of the intentionally mislabeled, “Federal Reserve”. As imposters in America’s financial center, their “wee” is as phony as English urine and their character is as jaundiced as their Powell, Colon selling yellow cakes in the UN.

Slappingtons.com

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
July 28, 2018 1:25 pm

Anybody ever see that movie with Brad Pitt and Robert Redford, Spy Game?

After, lil ol me was introduced to someone who suggested he was, for lack of a better word, a spy, I have felt like those characters from time to time when meeting in public.
Truly a sureal experience…this was years back when I realized for all intent and purpose I was in over my head…fear got the best of me for a bit, not for myself of course but for the people I cared about around me.

Southern Sage said there aren’t many CIA officers but I wonder how many people are considered assets?

Now with the proliferation of technology and smart gadgets most of the spy game can be done from a laptop routed through a fusion center…and for the really sensitive stuff a scif.

I think the agency took notice of me while still in college back in 2009…
I ran across articles several years after I graduated in 2010 with a bachelors in sociology… one professor in particular, I remember taking a course I just happened to see a flyer for walking my usual route down the hallways, “Geography of energy”
Amazing course! 4 students total in the class! Hahaha
https://www.themonitor.com/life/valley_life/article_b6d15bec-6b33-5064-b943-00456a7e352e.html
Has the CIA infiltrated U.S. colleges?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  PlatoPlubius
July 28, 2018 2:40 pm

Plato…
Assets is the key word in more ways than one. The number of direct contractors alone would be a great book.
Back in the day, Arizona Land and Cattle Co. Was the main source of ex Seals and Green Berets who were jobbed out to fight both sides of the drug war in Columbia during the late 80’s and 90’s.

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
  Fleabaggs
July 28, 2018 3:42 pm

Flea,

Yup,
In business terms , assets and liabilities as Damon Vrabel also discusses

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  PlatoPlubius
July 28, 2018 3:51 pm

Plato.
When I get to a library I will watch that video. Don’t want to burn that many mb’s on my phone card.

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
  Fleabaggs
July 28, 2018 3:57 pm

Flea
It’s a good one.
If economics was taught this way in public school there would have been a genuine populist uprising already hahaha

i forget
i forget
  PlatoPlubius
July 28, 2018 4:01 pm

That was a fun flick. But populist…goes the weasel.

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
  i forget
July 28, 2018 4:15 pm

I forget

Nice !

I agree, Waaaay past the point of no return

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
  PlatoPlubius
July 29, 2018 11:06 am

Ha! Good question! How many assets. Well, hard to say. There are tens of thousands of people around the world linked in some way to the CIA (foreign intelligence, military and police, businessmen, spies, etc.). The funny thing is that because of the utter incompetdnce of so many CIA senior people the number of real spies recruited has plummeted, especially in the places we really need them! They need to fire the entire 7th floor. I will say that Gina, the new director, is one of the very few tough, competent high level people.

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
  Southern Sage
July 29, 2018 2:43 pm

SS, Flea et al

I’m sure these individuals are assets until they outlive their usefulness, then they become liabilities and expendable. No?

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July 28, 2018 1:53 pm

Upvote if you believe the CIA threatened and frightened all three branches of government into submission when it displayed the “heart attack gun” during the 1975 Church hearings.

Downvote if you believe otherwise.

Question. Why does the guy on the right look so much like a young Jeff Sessions? He was a U.S. Attorney at the time…

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PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius

@22wingman
Those hearings, the Iran Contra scandal were so important and still very relevant when trying to understand the shadow gov’t and where the Real power lies

Maggie
Maggie
  PlatoPlubius
July 28, 2018 4:37 pm

And don’t forget the hidden caches of money which people like Ollie learned to access without ever touching his own budget. Military intelligence knows how to get some money without Congressional approval.

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
  Maggie
July 28, 2018 6:11 pm

Maggie et al,

Trevor Paglan’s book

Blank Spots on the Map: The Dark Geography of the Pentagon’s Secret World

Is an amazing dive into the black budget of the U.S. republic, using the congressional budget lined items as primary source material to determine where our taxpayer money is being spent and how it is being used against us.

Here is his presentation of his book’s content. AMAZING, MUST WATCH

Maganon
Maganon
  PlatoPlubius
July 28, 2018 8:22 pm

Once upon a time, I was a member of a Program Management Contract for the financial operation of a large USAF maintenance facility somewhere in Oklahoma. I was the assigned financial analyst and babysitter of a database which drew data from (via T3 line, is the term I think) both the Pentagon AND from all of the databases interconnected by the network which serviced the communication needs of MANY of the USAF aircraft maintenance depots. I was asked by the Pentagon to run a query for a data dump of all financial information connected to a series of airplanes which had been serviced at that facility. I ran the report starting the next morning, a Saturday, after consulting via secure line with the programmer, who works still at another facility out in Utah.

PP, I haven’t read Trevor’s work, but I’ve seen it firsthand. Thanks.

Anyway, when I finalized the data dump, I made a backup, of course. I took the discs with me to my home for “safekeeping.” When I called the Team Lead at home and explained the Pentagon’s request, he got really excited and wanted to be part of the visible effort. He interjected himself in a strange way that drew the attention of the FINANCIAL people, who demanded that report NOT be downloaded nor delivered. Since I’d locked those two discs in my safe at home, I decided to just get rid of them.

Since I used a company laptop and an approved, coded connection device, I simply deleted the backup of the connection on MY laptop and hoped that the IT people I worked with on a regular basis to download the financial data of several very large defense programs… well, to hope they were as stupid as they seemed and never realized they could look to see.

Maganon
Maganon
  Maganon
July 29, 2018 7:06 am

My Team Lead came in with the financial brass the next week and there was a big show of my entering the query. They went to the Team Lead’s office, leaving me to do the report and format it (again, unbeknownst to them). I let them know it was ready and they took the disc, sealed it and stamped it eyes only and carried it out for delivery to the Pentagon.

I was told the report was to be deleted and the hard drive of that computer wiped.

I do know what they wanted no one to see.

I ain’t telling.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
  PlatoPlubius
July 29, 2018 11:03 am

Great video PP thanks for the link… Chip

i forget
i forget
  PlatoPlubius
July 29, 2018 11:59 am

“our taxpayer money”
Ourglass teems. Just keep flipping. Ours is yours never runs out. Same as denial.
Seems teams oughta’ realize that past some point, what was teemed is no longer theirs. Gone, baby, gone.

Uncola
Uncola
July 28, 2018 2:53 pm

Q1 – yes

Q2 – demise

Loved this:

The US intelligence agencies made an outrageous claim: that I colluded with Russia to rig the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. The burden of proof is on them. They are yet to prove their case in a court of law, which is the only place where the matter can legitimately be settled, if it can be settled at all. Until that happens, we must treat their claim as conspiracy theory, not as fact.

Stucky for Prez!

… the US intelligence community has been doing a wonderful job of bankrupting the country and driving it toward financial, economic and political collapse by forcing it to engage in an endless series of expensive and futile conflicts—the largest single continuous act of grand larceny the world has ever known.

I believe that dog hunts and “Bingo” was its name. The stars aligned at 911. Patriot Act + wars abroad were back-to-back lottery wins for the Military Industrial Complex.

As for those occupying the penthouse suites at the very tippy-tip of the pyramid – they desire global hegemony. That means, America must fall.

Yes. Those in the CIA (and other alphabet-soup government bureaucracies) are middle-management; the architects of the decline and merely doing the bidding of those who sign their paychecks.

Global depopulation is the ultimate goal behind most all of today’s headlines.

Order out of chaos. Divide and conquer. And that, my friends, is how shit happens.

Uncola
Uncola
  Uncola
July 28, 2018 3:20 pm

BTW, an addendum: The shit could be made into shinola if someone developed a faster way to fix stupid. Any ideas?

Galatians 6:7
Galatians 6:7
  Uncola
July 28, 2018 3:26 pm

Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.

Ecclesiastes 10:2
Ecclesiastes 10:2
  Galatians 6:7
July 28, 2018 4:55 pm

A wise man’s heart inclines him to the right, but a fool’s heart to the left.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
  Galatians 6:7
July 28, 2018 7:25 pm

What is it with these people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve_ylvALnN0

RiNS
RiNS
  Galatians 6:7
July 29, 2018 11:54 am

God is not mocked! Really.
God is the Pussy and a child abuser who let his Son get nailed to a cross.
If he wanted it done he should have did it to himself..

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  RiNS
July 29, 2018 12:24 pm

RiNS, that is exactly what I used to think.

i forget
i forget
  Uncola
July 28, 2018 3:38 pm

“Divide and conquer.”

Mitosis & metastasis. Life. A sentence punctuated by nothing but equilibrium dreams. Goals such as these are gaols indeed. But all Librium labia gotta say is “Stop!” resisting, as they fight club themselves, rearrange their own labia, & deck chairs. Pogo’s a perversupial mofo.

Addendum. In the movie the guy fixed it by wrapping his labia round a semiauto & pulling the trigger. Took a hotter pill than Librium to get outta’ the Pitt, & be pouch potato no more…possibly. (surely a sequel or 6 will clarify.)

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
  Uncola
July 28, 2018 3:41 pm

@ Uncola

There were so many nuances of the attacks of September 11th that it makes the brain hurt sometimes.
Christopher Bollyn has detailed the abuses and rabbit trails like no other!
Truly seminal work!

I would argue that 9/11 was what is known as a “fundraiser” and part of the Neocon PNAC agenda for u.s. hegemony and dominance of middle East.

This clip from the often unknown movie A LONG Kiss Goodnight explains the idea of a fundraiser, albeit it a fictional account.

https://youtu.be/N1vwjFhF4dA

Uncola
Uncola
  PlatoPlubius
July 28, 2018 7:25 pm

Plato,

From the video – a scene from the 1996 film – at the 1:05 – 1:24 mark:

Samuel Jackson: “You’re telling me that you’re going to fake some terrorist thing just to scare some money out congress?!”

CIA-looking dude: “Unfortunately…, I have no idea how to fake killing 4,000 people…, so were just going to have to do it for real. We’ll blame it on the Muslims, naturally. Then I’ll get my funding.”

They always telegraph everything, don’t they. It could be a pride thing. This is why I said before on another thread why I always pay attention to old movies, TV shows, album covers, et al.

The other night, I watched “Interview with a Vampire” (with Tom Cruise & Brad Pit) with new eyes. I realize now that flick is a pizza lover’s fantasy, complete with pedophiliac seduction and an adult male passionately kissing a female child on the lips.

Blood-sucking vampires and flesh-eating zombies. Entertainment or programming? Art or psyop?

It may not just be in the eye of the beholder after all?

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
  Uncola
July 28, 2018 8:01 pm

Uncola,

So true…isn’t amazing how the mind works when given new information our perceptions change and we see more “winks” or additional insights.

This experience we call life is truly remarkable.

Thank you for posting the verbage since I know some of us don’t click on the video links.

That movie is a riot! One of my favorite Samuel Jackson movies of ALL TIME…right there with his character in Pulp Fiction

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
  Uncola
July 28, 2018 8:06 pm

Uncola,

You said, “They always telegraph everything, don’t they. It could be a pride thing”

Yes, pride is part of it, the show of power is another, and another yet, is .. it is part of their sick religion that compels them to have to tell us what they do before they do it….
just like in the Illuminati card game

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Uncola
July 29, 2018 12:47 pm

Right down to the number of people killed and 5 years before it happened. Makes my stomach hurt. What else do they have planned that has been telegraphed but hasn’t come to pass?

Uncola
Uncola
  Mary Christine
July 29, 2018 2:23 pm

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In this latest Netflix release, the remaining survivors seek the shelter of a government building. Any government building. Not kidding.

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
  Uncola
July 29, 2018 2:39 pm

Hey Uncola,

Have you seen that Spielberg movie, Ready Player One?

There is a scene in that movie in which one of the co antagonists working for a corporation tells the character Artemis (Samantha real world name) that her personal debts had been purchased by the corporation and she would be committed to cubicle where she would be forced to work in the virtual world to pay off her outstanding debts.
Scary thoughts that your debts can be bought by others which happens all the time in the Real world, now.

Uncola
Uncola
  PlatoPlubius
July 29, 2018 3:51 pm

I’ve not seen Ready Player One, but I know the film is one of the top box-office movies in 2018. I also know it is about virtual reality and, if I’m not mistaken, it was a big hit among teenage boys.

Now this headline from two days ago:

Virtual reality goes behind bars to rehabilitate inmates

I will say, one of the best TV series I’ve ever watched was Netflix’s “Black Mirror” (4 seasons).

There is coming a day soon where I will be terminating Netflix for the same reasons I’ve come to hate Google, Amazon, etc – but for now – it’s an inexpensive and convenient source to see various types of dystopia being programmed into the mind of the masses.

Two of the best Black Mirror episodes include “Metalhead” and “Nosedive”.

The former illustrates a world where humanity has been decimated by robotic (DARPA) dogs that appear right out of the current laboratories of Boston Dynamics. The latter is a satire describing a societal hierarchy based on a social-media-style 5-point rating scale in three-dimensions.

Needless to say, Black Mirror is a wild series that could be, unfortunately, prophetic in ways Orwell and Huxley never imagined.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Uncola
July 30, 2018 11:47 am

Ahh, yes. The Fake Alien Invasion they are concocting, just in cast the financial reset isn’t enough to convince us a United World Federation is what we need.

You reminded me of The Colony. I saw the first season and forgot about it until now.

i forget
i forget
  Mary Christine
July 29, 2018 2:43 pm

Infinite m’see, m’do, rhyme theorem can lead to pattern recognition psychosis. But art does imitate life does imitate art. Dante cornered the hell market, for example.

I ran into Sam Jackson’s pulp fiction character on a bus, when I was 13, for another really slow telegraph.

I wish *all* the adversaries down the years telegraphed slo-mo. My nose’d still be aquiline perfection, were it so. But otoh, my sense of smell mightn’t be as keen.

Maggie
Maggie
  Uncola
July 28, 2018 4:47 pm

I am believing you are correct, sir. Depopulation is indeed the end game, with idiot young people being convinced a UBI is owed to them, especially now that all the good jobs are either farmed out to factories in the third world or redesigned for robotic performance. I know it is the way of the world now that technology has taken over, but once the UBI is in place for the “underclass” then the scene and setting for the end game is ready.

I actually met with a CIA recruiter at a job fair. He gave me an ink pen, but he wasn’t interested in me. I was in my 30s. Already over the hill, so to speak.

i forget
i forget
  Maggie
July 29, 2018 11:58 am

UBI wan (oh so wan) Kenosha. WI. Cheesehead ‘em up, mooove ‘em out. (Same as it ever was, only the nouns, yet again, have been changed.)

If you’re walking ’round
Think’n that the world
Owes you something
‘Cause you’re here

You goin’ out
The world backwards
Like you did
When you first come here

Grizzly Bare
Grizzly Bare
  Maggie
July 29, 2018 5:12 pm

On November 17, 2008, Zbigniew Brzezinski one of the founding members and former director of the CFR stated that “in earlier times, it was easier to control a million people, literally, than physically to kill a million people” while “today it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than to control a million people.”

You wonder what plans they are telegraphing, just check out the Georgia guidestones.

i forget
i forget
  Grizzly Bare
July 29, 2018 5:49 pm

Reign-y night in Georgia. All over the rest of the world, too.

Gerald Mcreign-y, as George Hearst. These rednosed reign deers been flyin’ round the world forever, deliverin’ to all the good little german boys & girls. See that symbiosis? That’s obverse reverse coin of the human realm.

unit472/
unit472/
July 28, 2018 3:10 pm

Its hard to think of anything positive any ‘intelligence agency’ has ever achieved anywhere. One might make a case for recon satellites and some, limited, counter-intelligence capability to keep an eye on foreign espionage or subversion against the US but we have no need at all for a CIA. They, like our foreign adversaries intelligence agencies, only screw things up.

In modern times it hard to imagine a greater screw up than Russia did in managing its relationship with Ukraine. We didn’t need Victoria Nuland or the CIA to get involved because Russia was making a mess of things all on its own. Now Putin’s got a hostile nation of 40 million on his border in exchange for Crimea which, since no other major power recognizes its annexation, is more a Russian version of Puerto Rico than a thriving addition to Russia.

Our CIA may not have made such colossal blunder as Russian intelligence agencies did with Ukraine but its not for lack of trying.
Our involvement in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Central America has done nothing but create waves of migrants no one wants and are utterly destructive to our allies and our own security.

China now wants to get involved in this idiots game with its ‘Belt and Road’ program. For this we can only be grateful. To try and get around American dominance on the world’s oceans, China is going to load up a bunch of third world kleptocracies with loans, dubious infrastructure projects (built by Chinese companies) and reap the inevitable fallout when the loans can’t be paid back and the locals come to hate their Chinese overlords. Instead of Yankee go home it will “Chinaman go home”

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
July 28, 2018 4:32 pm

Most of these intel agencies heavily contract out to big companies that are also campaign donors. For every intel employee there are likely two or three contractors. Massive companies with massive budgets, from Booze Allen to Raytheon to even Amazon. And all these companies know how to pad bills.

It’s all about the money in the end, “intelligence” has nothing to do with it. Amazon is about to secure a massive Pentagon deal. It’s all about milking the cow. The American people are too stoned and stupid to realize how they’re being ripped off, and they deserve to be ripped off. Let the sheep be sheared.

As far as the work product of these intel agencies. They have none. Imagine the massive Google campus in Mountain View but with no vital work product going on inside. It’s all welfare by another name. They sure had a bead on 9/11 Lol!

People think these agencies are controlling the country or the world, but the conspiracy theories are what keeps them in business, masking their utter uselessness. Just a bunch of people shuffling paper and popping Xanax to cope with crazed talentless hack bosses. That’s all of government.

People think that the Bin Laden raid was staged, but it actually happened, because 1) some Pakistani who is likely now dead told us exactly where he was and 2) They crashed a helicopter when performing it. Even when things go right with government they go wrong.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
July 28, 2018 4:39 pm

The biggest question is what would our Forefathers have thought about the CIA ?

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
July 28, 2018 4:41 pm

SS…my mom dated a retired CIA agent for a while. When asked about the job he always replied it was nothing like the movies. .

Maggie
Maggie
July 28, 2018 5:09 pm

Stucky, I read the article because you suggested it was worth the read. It was.

Now, it is time for me to check on the goats and bunnies.

I usually take the “Big Dog” with me so Simon doesn’t try to gore me or pee on me. Little Stuckenheimer is a real pet and will probably get very fat. I indeed promised to not eat these goats, so he’s safe around me. His progeny? Not so much.

I do think that George Bush the elder had ties to the CIA and the espionage community that made their grasp of power and influence grow exponentially. Couple that with the Clinton involvement with Ollie North and the whole Iran/Contra fiasco via Mena, Arkansas airfield business, where the HillBill LLC determined the whole world could be made one big Clintonian Dynasty.

Then, Hope and Change arrived and skewed the plan slightly. However, the transformation of American society was completed, slightly altered. While HillBill planned to merge manageable immigrants (who didn’t love the Frito Bandito as a kid?) into communities to turn them blue, Obama wanted a more volatile population influx. And, since he was the “extra” constitutional president who was allowed to make law by executive decree, we got what we got. Which is worse than anarchy.

I got a dairy goat nursing a kid. I’m a happy hillbilly.

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By the way… socks and leggings are kind of my anti-tick gear. Is healthier than poisons on my skin. Peppermint oil works well, too. Keeps the critters out of one’s cooch.

Brian
Brian
July 28, 2018 5:16 pm

Q1: They’re probably a big part of our demise.
Q2: Bare minimum the folks at the middle management and above should be fired. Probably best just to kill the entire org.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
July 28, 2018 6:05 pm

All of these people should be given the Joe Stalin Treatment. EVERYONE associated with said organizations are picked up about 3 in the morning, taken somewhere, then shot in the back of the head. The corpses are buried in places out in the middle of nowhere, far from any habitations. The people who do the collecting and the shooting are suck-ass CIA/FBI/DoJ lackeys who themselves are thinking they’re earning brownie points, and after they are done you have someone liquidate them so there are no live witnesses to the nefarious activities.

Llpoh
Llpoh
July 28, 2018 7:22 pm

My experience with the CIA is via Southern Sage and SSS. They are both admirable folks and patriots.

I suspect like virtually every govt oganization that the leaders, the top dogs, are corrupt and self-serving.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  Llpoh
July 28, 2018 9:11 pm

Did ANYONE in CIA, DoJ, or FBI say anything to anybody about what their superiors were doing? Any whistleblowers? There is NO WAY outside of leadership that NO ONE knew what was going on.
Let’s say that the leadership is prosecuted- that still leaves the rest who are just as guilty as the boss.
Had the Killer Bitch been elected and turned this horde loose upon the country, they would have gleefully followed their orders. As far as I’m concerned, the only judgment these people deserve is the Final Judgement. Just remember this: if the people causing the all of the troubles disappear, then the troubles disappear too!

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Coalclinker
July 28, 2018 9:48 pm

CoalClinker..
On Sages first article I told him he would gleefully turn people like us in.
Then I reconsidered and thought I was too harsh and apologized. Now I realize I was far too kind to him and his ilk. They will indeed gleefully slaughter us either directly or by proxy.

Grizzly Bare
Grizzly Bare
  Fleabaggs
July 29, 2018 5:26 pm

Flea, I always smelled something fishy about SS. I suspect an Agent provocateur, always trying to stir up some right wing violence. It would seem that JTRIG has gone domestic with their fomenting unrest.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Grizzly Bare
July 29, 2018 5:58 pm

Grizzly…
Yes, me too. Something smells in Denmark.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Coalclinker
July 29, 2018 8:49 am

The lower-ranks of the FBI were involved in persecuting the Bundys and the Hammonds, trying to steal their land for Hillary Clinton and Harry Reid’s deals. So not just the top of the ranks. It’s trickled down to the rank-and-file. Not all of them, but many.

i forget
i forget
  Vixen Vic
July 29, 2018 12:05 pm

Stanley Milgram’s quantification of ipso facto. Obediance to authority, which is a symptom of reverence for authority, preference to divest personal responsibility\liability…which are symptoms of self-disrespect, if not self-loathing. Comforting chain fe\maille suits – straitjackets – of command. Don’t blame me, just following orders – not my job\responsibility…just tell me what to do, please.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
July 28, 2018 8:31 pm

Sages disinfo campaign is working beautifully.

Robert H Siddell Jr
Robert H Siddell Jr
July 28, 2018 9:41 pm

CIA is criminal and must be destroyed.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
July 28, 2018 9:51 pm

The CIA is a complete and total abomination. It must be disbanded, but I firmly believe that all of its employees may have to be eliminated because that kind of evil is not compatible with freedom or liberty and will only raise its ugly head again if these folks are allowed to continue walking among us.

TampaRed
TampaRed
July 28, 2018 10:01 pm

for all you guys who want to destroy the cia–
would you guys replace the cia with another organization to gather intel?
if so,how would we collect intel?
if not,do you believe that a nation has no need for foreign intel?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  TampaRed
July 28, 2018 10:38 pm

Tampa..
Yes I would eliminate them. They create most of the Intel they sell us anyway so who needs them. If all they did was gather intel we wouldn’t need this conversation.
The Dulles brothers are a prime example of what we pay them to do. It’s only gotten bigger and worserer since.
Knowing we were doing evil cost me my sanity. Continuing to do it cost me my soul and I was just a nobody, so I don’t buy that horseshit sage is putting out about being patriotic. 30 years in CIA management and acting like Schultzy on Hogan’s heroes.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Fleabaggs
July 28, 2018 11:36 pm

ok baggs,
you’d eliminate them but what would you do then?
do we need foreign intel?if yes,how do we get it w/o the cia?
if no,we do not need intel,how long can we as a nation fly blind w/o being conquered or at least badly sucker punched?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  TampaRed
July 29, 2018 12:04 am

Red..
How many Intel agencies do we already have? 18?
Flying blind. Getting sucker punched? You’re too cute by half.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Fleabaggs
July 29, 2018 2:41 pm

here’s a list of all 17 “intel” agencies–
though there may be some overlap between them,they mostly have different assignment & specialties–

https://www.intelligencecareers.gov/icmembers.html

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  TampaRed
July 30, 2018 12:03 pm

That doesn’t make me feel any better. From the link you provided, Tampa
“The overall efforts of the IC are administered by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). ODNI’s role is to organize and coordinate the efforts of the other 16 IC agencies. Those agencies are divided into three groups”

So I looked up the ODNI. My they are busy bees. Working on the LGBT inclusiveness agenda
“https://www.intelligence.gov/careers/career-news/835-hundreds-of-intel-community-members-show-pride-at-2018-lgbta-summit”

Well, isn’t that special.
“This year’s seventh annual IC LGBTA Summit has roots in ANGLE —the Agency Network of Gay and Lesbian Employees—the IC’s first LGBTQ+ employee resource group, formed at CIA in 1996. The IC Pride organization—an overarching organization that works with ODNI on IC-wide advocacy and training around LGBTQ+ issues—officially launched in 2011. Today, IC Pride activities are open to all IC-element LGBTQ+ employees and employee resource groups. IC LGBTA Summits have been hosted by CIA, NGA, NSA, NRO, DIA, and FBI in 2017 . ODNI has already agreed to host the 2019 summit.”

We are so much safer now.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Mary Christine
July 30, 2018 5:18 pm

Mary C…
Holy cow, now I really am worried.
Good sleuth work Mary. Just when I think there are no more surprises.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  TampaRed
February 18, 2019 4:06 pm

Hell, 4-chan does a better job at intel than the CIA, so maybe outsource to volunteers. At least you would eliminate the perverse incentives of bringing billions into the mix.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  TampaRed
July 28, 2018 11:43 pm

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  TampaRed
July 29, 2018 8:53 am

Throughout history, spying and espionage have always fallen under the military. Why do we need a civilian spy agency? The military is able to handle anything needed in that arena.

i forget
i forget
  TampaRed
July 29, 2018 12:01 pm

Well, wanting to destroy any of these alpha aid&bettor 007 agencies is like wanting to destroy destruction. war on terroir, & all that.

So it’s a locked room “puzzle.”

The death wish is at least as strong, if not stronger, than “stayin’ alive.”

“Puzzle” piece, typically lost (if it was ever in the box at all): what, really, is a “nation?”

Grizzly Bare
Grizzly Bare
  TampaRed
July 29, 2018 11:48 pm

How can you equate heinous activities with the gathering of intel? The CIA might be in the business of gathering intel, but if that was really their focus, they might have had some idea of the imminent collapse of the Soviet Union. Their main gig has always been regime change. Regime change to serve the Kleptocracy. Operation Ajax for example, JFK, or dozens in Latin America alone.

When they aren’t overthrowing governments or assassinating heads of state they do cool shit like start wars in Vietnam and the Middle East, and protect foreign drug lords and distribute their products worldwide. Anyone who has served in Vietnam or Afghanistan knows it. They also like to do all kinds of crazy experiments Like drive people insane in their MK Ultra program.

And if they weren’t busy enough doing all that, they have this other operation they run called “Mockingbird” where they spoon feed government propaganda to all the major news outlets, who dutifully repeat it verbatim to us proles.

This is an incomplete list of the known atrocities, one can only try to imagine the number of the unknown. It also has a good epilogue that answers your question well. http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html

The CIA may be essential to the well being of the Kleptocracy, but I’m pretty sure the rest of us would get along quite nicely if such an agency did not exist.

Westcoastdeplorable
Westcoastdeplorable
July 28, 2018 10:34 pm

The CIA has been filthy dirty since Dulles, who had Kennedy killed. They’ve been in control ever since.
So (1) Yes! and (2) Why the fuck do we need so much duplication of error in spying? Pare it down like the Brits to international and strictly domestic. Just what the fuck does the “Defense Intelligence Agency” do?

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
July 29, 2018 8:23 am

1) The CIA is complicit in destroying America.

2) Get rid of it. As soon as possible. A civilian spy agency is not needed. That’s what the military is for.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Vixen Vic
July 29, 2018 12:37 pm

I’m with Vic on this. Tell me how she is wrong and I might change my answer.

RiNS
RiNS
July 29, 2018 10:25 am

Q1: Is the CIA complicit in destroying America?

A1: Yes and no. Elements that appear to be but no organization is monolithic.

Q2: If “Yes” should we work for its reform …. or, demise?

A1: Yes to reform

More Support for the Sages
Only scorn on the Brennans.
Make eyes sure in better light
So to questions of demise
Well only fools would rush in..
One’s plead you can count on this
See! Look Vlad and buddy Xi
Won’t be having any of it.

7

Yours in Odin,

RiNS

i forget
i forget
  RiNS
July 29, 2018 12:08 pm

But “organization” is monolithic. More, it’s monomaniacal. For manacles. Stop! in the name of fear. & loathing. Of lost vagal tone reality. Instead, give us viva Las Vegas, good & hard.

Terry Pratchett — ‘Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought. It always defeats order, because it is better organized.’

RiNS
RiNS
  i forget
July 30, 2018 9:23 am

forget

don’t stop whatever you do. I think its great! Luv ya Man!

Cheers to Valhalla with Beers from Cups Everlasting,

RiNS

TampaRed
TampaRed
  RiNS
July 29, 2018 2:43 pm

+100 rins–

Mike
Mike
July 29, 2018 1:36 pm

Last weekend during the Яussia Яussia Яussia hysteria, I was wondering about the size of the alleged GIANT ЯRussia threat. Here’s what I found in the search bar:

The Blackmail State (CIA et al) (visible) budget was $55B. Add the MI (visible) $20B for 2017. Add $9B more for the Fibbies, and that’s $84B for The Blackmail State. Who knows how much more in the “Black” side of the budget? And earnings from ‘their’ In-Q-Tel operations? 10% more? 50%? Double?

Contrast the ENTIRE Russian military budget for 2017 was $66.3B.

From just 2001 to 2013 The ConGress robbed us of more than $500B to build their Total Police Surveillance Terror State.

I don’t think the Constitution for a Free Republic envisioned or allows for a secret, and out-of-control, TPSTS. Will Trump step up with his famous “YOU’RE FIRED!!!” line? Impossible. Perhaps the unpublicized resignation / retirement stampede referred to in the Q posts will turn the corner. But even if the C_A is tamed, and limited to its alleged original scope, the Sili-Valley menace is rising. A total surveillance grid owned and benefiting very few “private” public corporations. Started with fedguv $. Profiting the owners of the owners of those companies and their Interlocking Directorate. “Oh what a tangled web they weave …”

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Mike
July 29, 2018 2:39 pm

Mike…
Good job of following the money and who profits rolled in one.

PlatoPlubius
PlatoPlubius
  Mike
July 29, 2018 3:08 pm

Mike,

Great comments.
The link I posted earlier on this thread of author Trevor Paglan delves into the U.S. black budget and his highly informative and entertaining.
Thank you again for sharing your research.

Mike
Mike
  PlatoPlubius
July 29, 2018 5:34 pm

FB & PP, you’re welcome.
But I just discovered I missed one! Derbyshire on Unz just mentioned a $51.4B appropriation to Der Homegrown Stasi! Jeez – I can’t even figure out who is part of what. But a billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon we’re talking some real money. 🙂

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 18, 2019 2:20 pm

You should not criticize the CIA. They are the heroic defenders of the Peoples Republic of America. Any atrocity committed by the CIA in defense of the two party duopoly is justifiable. Just as chairman Mao purged the anti CCP thoughts from the Chinese people, so must the CIA purge any anti-american thoughts from it’s people. Dissent in a world full of state sponsored terrorism cannot be tolerated. Accept what freedoms you are given by your glorious leaders and never complain about taking your shoes off at the airport.

Rejoice when you are charged 100 times over for your medical equipment or billed unfairly by your cable company, for you are doing your part to increase shareholder value. Be glad that you have no reasonable recourse against companies who have treated you unfairly. Your imperious leaders have been selected by the elites within the PRA to govern you wisely and they know what is best for shareholder value. What is good for shareholder value is good for the PRA.

Profit above all things must be the first and foremost thing on the mind of every citizen and illegal immigrant within the PRA. All religiosity, ethics, moral sentiments and traditional family values must be eliminated from the minds of the inhabitants of the PRA so that the worlds resources may be more efficiently exploited by our wise leaders. Consume and obey, that is what you must do in order to support the new world order. Remember, each of you is a victim, and the world is out to get you so you must work hard to get them first.

Only our glorious leaders can keep us safe from our neighbors. Believe only what you see on TV and in the news paper, for these were created by our glorious leaders to spread the truth and to eliminate the lies of moralists, religious nuts, and right wing conspiracy theorists as well as the evil Russians, who would see an end to the glorious empire of the PRA.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 18, 2019 3:21 pm

Apparently censorship is a common theme on this site. Remember when you speak out against the CIA, they will get the last laugh. These sites are intended to encourage the snakes to come out of their holes. Our heroic leaders at the CIA are here to preserve the glory of the empire of the Peoples Republic of America.

Do not complain at airports when you are asked to remove your shoes. For fear and uncertainty are essential to increasing shareholder value. Without fear and uncertainty you would not spend as much money on useless junk in order to ameliorate your nagging discontent, and this would be disastrous to the economy.

Never believe your own eyes, your heart, or the lies of your neighbors. The only truth is the truth that is brought to you by your TV and news papers. Profit is the watchword and it must be protected against all attackers.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 18, 2019 3:30 pm

Nice honey pot guys. Way to lure the snakes out of the grass.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 18, 2019 3:52 pm

You should read the CIA literature that the Falun Dafa are passing out

http://en.minghui.org/emh/download/flyers/Falun_Gong_and_Nine_Commentary.pdf .

Even though the commentaries are a criticism of the Chinese Communist Party, it is obvious that the CIA uses the same playbook in the USA.